Sumant Mandal - July 30, 2005
My wife (Mallika) and her entire family are consummate writers with a passion for expressing all of their emotion through the written word. Don’t get me wrong – I like it.
For me the blog is a place to throw ideas out and see what people think of them. Maybe a blog is not the right place for that, maybe it is, but here goes…
What do people think of information? I think of information as data with context around it. Let me explain – data is confusing, un-organized and impossible to get much use out of until its put into context. The web has millions (now billions) of pages that are sitting out there and unless you know exactly where to go, its quite impossible to derive much benefit out of.
Search engines provide context – google’s biggest “a-ha” is that they created context by ranking pages based on how many other sites are linked to it and how many people have actually seen it – more time and relationships around a web page – more important it is. This insight alone created “information” around all the data that exists on the web. Now people don’t search for something - they “google” it. Pretty awesome. But is that the right context for everyone? Its better than most that’s out there, but the game for information is far from over.
Thinking about what’s a better context that would rank web pages so when you search for something, exactly what you are looking for right when you need it. Nirvana for information junkies…..
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Posted by Sumant Mandal at July 30, 2005 02:32 AM
I agree. Information is more than data. The way I would say it is..Information is data conveyed in a manner/context/medium that provides 'value' to the receiver.
I think the fun of it is deciding what is important and choosing to explore it further. The Internet reminds me of the books I read when I was young where I would choose from several different options before reading on. I agree that information is power, but I think only if it is personally significant.
Suamnt: I hope you will return to check this post in a day or two. I can feel many questions percolating in my mind that I would like to ask you--clearly you have a vast knowledge about areas that I am from the "dark ages" about.
Your comments about "text and context" have been the basis for essays I've written during the last two years as I returned to school to learn to write and speak again!
"Coincidentally speaking"--I just met with a friend from my early years in college that I had not seen since....Well let's say that I first met her in the spring of 1979 after transferring from the Univ. of CA-San Diego to the Univ. of San Diego, from super-intellectual to a pampered rich kids Catholic school!
What a change that was--I really loved both experiences as I look back now.
What amazed me was that my friend, Rita (who is a head-hunter for a computer co.!), remembered the name of an essay I wrote in 1979, in our first Eng. composition class: "How to Make a Girlfriend an Ex-Girlfriend."
She remembered the professor reading it out loud to the class and how embarrassed I was--so she approached me after class to tell me she liked it so I would "keep writing" stories!
So I hope you will, in time, be able to respond to a few questions about the high-tech world of communications as I am able to formulate intelligent questions, and share your understanding with us.
Please keep writing--we love the stories and ideas your "family and friends" bring this most fabulous forum of human affairs. Thank You--Dave
Sumant--excuse my spelling!
sumant,
working in the field of research... we categorize information and data into an intelligence pyramid.
data is on the bottom, as you said, unfiltered and abundant.
information is the next step, which includes categorization, as you said.
analysis and intelligence is one level above that, which includes putting a spin on the information to make it more useful.
and above that, finally, comes insight, which comes only from experience, which allows one to take the analysis and make informed decisions based upon it.
bharat,
new york, new york
David,
This getting quite eerie...in a good way!
I just finished putting up a comment about a thesis I wrote in english in college to read your comments here after about your friend Rita and your english essay!!!...
ps
I recently became an ex-girlfriend
Rita
Rita: I will pass your "coincidental" treasure along to the Rita who just brought this my attention--and remembered it from 26 years ago!
Amazing stuff isn't it! Thank You--Dave
Hello Everybody!
I figured this post would "fit" under consummate writer. :)
Wow! Try not coming on here for a day or two; catching up is a major challenge! I popped in a couple days ago and read an interesting posting by John Wilder. Then, realized I was too far behind to even begin to go any farther. Last night and today I’ve gone back and read the posts. So many wonderful and thought-provoking messages. I’ve had to act like a sponge to absorb everything I’ve missed. Everything is just sloshing around in my brian!
Some of my thoughts as I whizzed by the blogs:
*As David mentioned, the quality of writing is really impressive. And also the quality of thought.
*Didn’t know 4:44 was the number of the angels. Now I know! :)
*On the discussion of flying-dreams: I use to fly a lot in my dreams. I would be aware that I was dreaming and practice flying. I usually couldn’t get any higher than the tree tops. My last flying dream I flew over the Grand Canyon. I did all kinds of dips and turns. That was quite awhile ago. Maybe I’ll be able to start again...
*On unusual forms of communication: My friend Janet A. and I tried an experiment a few years back. I would send her a mental message. Later we would confer to see if she received it. We discovered that sometimes she became aware of it, not always when I sent it, but at a quiet time later on. Also, she would put her own “spin” on my message. I once gave her a mental message to do a cartwheel. She said she had the feeling all day to just “jump for joy”. So, we figured that messages come into us and we deal with them according to our personalities and our own interpretations -- and, if one can do a cartwheel. (Note: Janet is the one I was with when we met Deepak. She is at the lake with her handsome hubby. She is able to read the blog, but for some reason can’t send emails. So, hi Janet!)
*Deepak’s question about war and peace made me think again about Kristin’s “Hands across the water.” Wouldn’t we be able to start a hands-across-the-water-rainbow-butterfly-blog-cell? At a set time, once a month or once a week, or once a day, we could stop for a minute and think about peace together. I know we’re at different time zones, but I wouldn’t mind setting my clock if need be. Just a thought.
I guess this is enough for this posting... Fondly, Patzi
Hi Patzi, enjoyed reading your posts....we need a chat room on the blog now so we can talk when we want to!! It is all so interesting. I am in the middle of Deepak's book about synchro destiny...and it so good and I know I have experienced so much of this stuff. It used to frighten me, now it is wonderful! Be well, Love, Joanie
Hi Joanie! I have never thought of myself as being psychic. Intuitive, but not psychic. But over the last couple of days I’ve started realizing that what I’ve considered to be “normal” thinking might be somewhat psychic. I’m not one to do readings, but in so many instances I know what is going to happen ahead of time. My friend Janet is like that too. We just thought we were being logical or sensible. We just considered that we “thought ahead.” Now I’m beginning to understand it may be more than that! I have had a hard time understanding why people do certain things when it is so obvious to me what is going to happen. Maybe I’ve been psychic all this time and didn’t know it! Patzi
Hi Patzi, I think that we must be more open to it all. Read what I just posted on Shekar's The WOrd a few minutes ago. This happened tonight and at first it blew me away to tears....and then I thought of all the reading I have been doing with coincidence and sinchrodestiny and this blog...my tears turned to smiles and Celine Dion singing The Power of Love!
In the last month my spirituality has been so more heightened...everything. It is wonderful. I really use to get freaked out by it but not anymore, I am just trying to enjoy it.
When my one blind student who was in a wheelchair was dying a few years ago she was brought home from the hospital to die in her room. So I went to sleep. I had this dream of her coming to say good bye and how happy she was. Her voice was so clear. She was singing (she loved to sing) and was dancing around (out of her wheel chair). A few minutes later there was a knock on my door. My ex telling me that her mother had just called and that Jenny had died a few momemts ago. Too many things have happened to me over the years. SOme of my friends think i am kooky, but that is ok, I know what I am experiencing! I have no desire to do reading either, but am just drawn to this all. SO I want to follow the pink blog road here and continue on with all you wonderful people!! Joanie
Hey Patzi, Joanie, and All: Very fun to read your last posts. Just finished the local news introducing Al Gore's new "Current TV" for the 18-34 group! I must be 18-34 then since I want to "tune in" to that frequency!
I am focusing images in my mind about seeing Gotham and Mallika inviting "BaraPapa, ChotaPapa, and BabyPapa" on to one of their shows with a "Meet the Chopras" special!
Joanie: I can't tell you how many accountings I've heard about in "psychic stuff" that say that exact thing about soul's stopping by in dreams--on their way "up"--like your student did.
My friend who is taking me to Ramtha this wknd. had a dream "where I did the same thing and that I was going to contact her in 'her dreams' since I was crossing over." She said it was OK because I told her I was really happy to "be home" and so healthy again.
That was right after my first "Deepak Dream," where I could fly and levitate again--and right before my first surgery on June 28th. I wanted to go so bad at that time that I was asking Spirit to take me during the surgery.
Now....you guys have made it so much fun again, even though I am still sleeping and dreaming alot, but I look at it all like I am in that "cocoon" Deepak described for after-this-life in his "Reincarnation" post, and am going through the same process (hopefully!) but will stay in this body and maybe....learn how to heal it as a side-effect of spiritual healing.
Sooo...if I drive anybody crazy with my babbling--especially Deepak--then it's all his, and all of you, who are at fault that I am still here in a body and able to directly influence computer keyboards!!
Just teasing--remember how Deepak, and "the Others," teach that our souls actually do have the ability to choose our exit time, and override our soul's planned blueprint???
Patzi--intuition is called the "higher logic" of the four basic psychic functions. What you are describing about you and Janet sending each other telepathic thoughts is one of the training focuses of the program I hope to go to at Ramth's school at the end of Sept.
Get to go for my first beginning seminar this weekend here in Denver--with Ramtha. It is the first effort in some time, doing anything that requires I go further than a block from here--and the fulfillment of the "Deepak Dream" I had when he was in Chile--where he told me to go to this event. That means I can't plague the Chopra Center for at least two more months, about learning more yoga and sound meditation!
On that note--I wrote to Laila about the page I opened today in Richard Bach's "Messiah's Handbook"--and, just opened it again to the same page, "If you don't want to be a teacher, you'd better get off the planet!"
Thanks for your fun stuff and I hope Janet is sending you thoughts from the lake--Patzi! Love--Dave
Hi Dave, I am sitting here smiling through your entire message. You always have interesting points to share. I am happy we are keeping you here to share those points with us. I have thought many times how you would make such a great teacher. It's not only your knowledge, but the way you tune into the individual and tie all the different thoughts and personalities together. Stay and teach us! :) Love, Patzi
Patzi: Now it is you who brings tears to my eyes--but ones that would reflect that chemistry of happiness!
My father was a chemistry teacher at The Colorado School of Mines during my growing years. I was surprised when my recent college of professors were also saying I "should" become a teacher, and even some of my classmates. Like this Intentblog--I was always yammering away and couldn't shut-up, so I was surprised when other sutdents put up with all the babbling.
Now you are saying this and it is reminding me that I was born on my father's 23rd birthday, just as he was starting at Caltech for his PhD. in O. chemistry.
My mother kept dreaming she was going to have "twins," but it was just me that showed up. But...both my dad and I are Gemini's and born on June 8. In some numerology paradigms, I think both Pythagorean and Chaldean, the number 8 is not only a very "karmic" number--but also the number sometimes associated with teaching!
So I will ask Spirit to help me become one of those then--especially if it allows me to feel that "love and passion flowing" like goes on here. That would then be the way to wonderful healing, N'est Pas?
I will treasure what you have said and focus my "Attention and Intention" on this idea and hopefully let Spirit be the determining energy of what that would look like to "image-forth!"
Do you remember Steve Martin in the movie, "The Jerk," and how happy he was when he found out that he had a "special purpose!" Love--Dave
Sumant,
The topic of making sense out of data is very dear to my heart. Hence I was delighted when I saw your blog.
I have read somewhere
Data: bits of information
Information: Data put in context
Knowledge: Information applied to achieve something.
We are shifting from the Information Age to the Knowledge age, So I guess, we will use the information found on the Internet to actually accomplish something.
Speaking of how "Google provides context by ranking pages based on how many other sites are linked to it and how many people have actually seen it – more time and relationships around a web page – more important it is."
there is a website at www.furl.net that lets you store your bookmarks on the web so that you can access them from any computer.
The cool part is, if you search for something on their website or using the toolbar they provide, you have the option to tell it to search only in their "bookmarks" database, meaning, only among the sites which people have cared to bookmark as having useful information.
Ofcourse, it will provide better results as more people start using it but an interesting "context" to the billions of pages, I think.
Google, Yahoo and A9 are all shooting for Personalized searches aiming to find the holy grail of providing "exactly what you are looking for right when you need it".
I hope they get there soon 'cos
I have a need for it in this "Knowledge Age" where I am trying to actually accomplish something for the masses using the Internet.
Looking forward to more of your thougts.
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The topic of making sense
Patzi: Now it is you who brings tears to my ey
Hi Dave, I am sitting here smiling through your
Hey Patzi, Joanie, and All: Very fun to read y
Hi Patzi, I think that we must be more open to
Sumant, I recently heard about another search engine. I saw it and it seemed to categorize things. It is very different than Google....I am assuming here that Google was the first of all this stuff and the name has just stuck......joanie