Happy Birthday, Shekar!

Shekhar, my fond memories travel almost two decades back, to witness a man, bearded, wearing a suit. He is clapping his hands and trying to call 'Mr. Yaksh'. He came and he spoke to you and though I was a young boy, I could sense my life shaping up in a way where I would, too, speak to the Yakshas of my life. And speak I did.

And then Nasiruddin Shah's uncontrollable joy in front of his friend Suri, when his son hits a four (Or was it a sixer?)

And then the naked buttocks of that dacoit in the ravines of Chambal.

Wishing you a very happy Birthday Shekhar!

Happy birthday to Dear Shekhar! I feel the same way as you Kavita about the loving man he is, but have felt he's often misunderstood, especially by men.

Love..Sachin

I wish you a very happy birthday and I wish myself more opportunities to work with you.

Shekhar,

May the New Year in your life bring you to pathways in seeing our world through the words of Rabindranath Tagore:

Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high
Where knowledge is free
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments
By narrow domestic walls
Where words come out from the depth of truth
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way
Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit
Where the mind is led forward by thee
Into ever-widening thought and action ......

Aradhana

Shekhar, the profesional (C.A.!!)
Shekhar, the Digjam model!
Shekhar, the director par excellence!
Shekhar, having reached the pinnacle of career, still being humble, honest, sincerely caring for street urchins!!!

As somebody (ok, it's me:)said.. Reach out for the skies with a firm grip on terra cotta!

MANY MANY HAPPY RETURNS OF THE DAY, SHEKHAR!

Prashant

Happy birthday Shekhar.

Well Shekhar--It was just about exactly five months ago that I started to read your first posts of poetry--and marveled at the effect you would have on Intentblog's female posters in particular--and immediately saw you as a "New Rumi!"

I have much enjoyed your many varied "Rumi-Nations" then, especially the courageous manner in which you challenge all of us to look at the problems and struggles of this world with that child-like honesty and humility that you are so noted for Shehkar.

Soooo....I wish you the happiest of birthdays from here in America (just getting ready to leave the 'woods of Washington' and onto....SoCal it looks like)--Your friend, Dave

happy birthday !!!!!shekhar

Hi Dave,
I am so happy to read your note to Shekhar. I join in the well-wishes! A very happy festive day, and virtual Balloons, and cake and ice cream, to share with everyone. Shekhar it will be quite a party for you! Now, you must make an appearance.

Dave, Can you post again, your email address. I have found the book you mentioned, and I would like to share about it, and to know how you are doing. That would be a joy, to know about your healing journey. I have missed you.

Shekhar, I am singing the Birthday song for you. Really loud. Can you hear?

smiles,
~~ Kate

Shekhar,

Happy birthday! 6th dec.Hmmm. Ruled by Venus, no wonder then your love for the creative and aesthetic.

I have often been at the same do's as you, but was too chicken to kinda just walk up and say Hi. Maybe I will the next time.

Great going.. Keep it up.

Hi Kate--You are up late/early (???) for Kavita's "birthday blog" for Shekhar too--I see!

Blowing up cyber-balloons for Kavita's surprise party can make on dizzy, n'est pas!

But....my e-mail is dwhalljr@msn.com -- and glad you found that book--now you will know "why" those whirling dervishes so love to whirl -- and where the trance comes from. Dave

Yes, Dave. I knew you would help me with the balloons! At 3:30 a.m., there are not too many volunteers. Oh, but here you are. I have missed you!

I am dizzy from blowing the balloons, ah - so must take a break, and write to you.

I love the movements and I love the story contained around the movements.

I have kept you often in my thoughts, and long to know how your healing journey has been.

Love, and thanks for the party prepartion!

Wait til Shekhar sees all of this stuff!

~~ Kate

Many, many happy returns Shekher.

Happy Birthday!

Wish U a very happy birthday Shekar

Shekhar, I've printed out the picture of the tiger hug I sent you once, my children loved it and it's now hanging on the fridge. Everytime I see it, I remember you and send you a hug. This time it's a Happy Birthday hug :) Thank you for being you!

Na Zdrowie!

Happy Birthday Shekhar!

Love, Passion and birthdaycake with one more candle then around this time last year..;)

Happy Birthday, Shekar! Hope you have a beautiful day, and year. :)

Love,
Ameya

Happy Birthday Shekhar!peace ruth

Shekhar, HaPpY BiRtHdAy!

North

A Birthday Card for you Shekhar; May your day/year be abundantly Blessed.

http://xs58.xs.to/pics/05492/Shekharbday2.ds.jpg

North

Shekhar,

Wishing you many happy returns of this day,
an abundance of play,
in every way.

~Richard Thomas

That's an awesome birthday cake North..you've busy from real time baking and cyber baking!

Nice cake, North. He's gonna love it.

Cheers!
Navin

Well, I wanted to do something more wild; less traditional; but, I didn't have much notice; I knew it was coming up though; and was still caught off guard. I'll use my favorite excuse; and blame it on age and a brutal schedule of late. It's only 3 pictures put together in a frame but thanks(gentle smiles) it was made with pure icing sweetness.

Well, off and running to Mom's for lunch with her and my son and nephew; then, it's to go order chicken breasts for lemon chicken for next weekend's dinner we host; we have one this saturday; whereas I'm Hostess to four groups; have 3 speech's to draw up; and NO energy of mind to do so, but have scraps of thoughts to fine tune whew! thank goodness I write them down! I seem to work great/better under pressure(scary) and always come through! lol

Love N'Stuff sent to Shekhar

Stuff = Hugs, Blessings, Wish's, etc.

North

Shekhar, Shekhar
Who is Shekhar?

I never knew who was Shekhar
Till I met him at Intentblog

You are someone special, man
With love, compassion and convictions

I never saw a movie made by you
But I am sure they must be original

As original as are your thoughts
And your convictions

Happy birthday, Shekhar

Tanzan Senzaki

Happy Birthday Shekar

Through these columns I've seen a different side of you. It makes me proud to be an Indian!

Happy Birthday Shekhar.

Dear Shekhar,
For some, birthday is the reminders of the years passed by
For others it is the reminder of the years of achievements
Yet for some others it is the reminders of opportunities lost.
I hope yours is the combination of all, as that’s what creation is all about.
Happy Birthday.

joining in the celebration...

Happy Birthday, Shekhar!
love, Carolyn

I think that Joan Baez said it best,

May God bless and keep you always,
May your wishes all come true,
May you always do for others
And let others do for you.
May you build a ladder to the stars
And climb on every rung,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

May you grow up to be righteous,
May you grow up to be true,
May you always know the truth
And see the lights surrounding you.
May you always be courageous,
Stand upright and be strong,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

May your hands always be busy,
May your feet always be swift,
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift.
May your heart always be joyful,
May your song always be sung,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

Kavita's birthday greetings are coming from the writings of others. see below:

"There are moments of glory that go beyond the human expectation, beyond the physical and emotional ability of the individual. Something unexplainable takes over and breathes life into the known life. One stands on the threshold of miracles that one cannot create voluntarily. . . Call it a state of grace, or an act of faith. . . It is there, and the impossible becomes possible. . . The athlete goes beyond herself; he transcends the natural. She touches a piece of heaven and becomes the recipient of power from an unknown source.

The power goes beyond that which can be defined as physical or mental. The performance almost becomes a holy place — where a spiritual awakening seems to take place. Individuals become swept up in the action around them — they almost float through their performance, drawing on forces they have never previously been aware of.

First Reading
Hebrews 11:29 — 12:2
Read more

Sermon by Rev. Lea Brown
Read more

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:4CshOWwsXioJ:www.mccsf.org/resources/readings/reading2_010819.html++%22the+human+expectation,+beyond+the+physical+and+emotional+ability+of+the+individual%22&hl=en

Here

Happy Birthday, Shekhar! :)
May you enjoy the simple pleasures of life with family and friends today and throughout the year. May you continue to delight in opening your heart and expressing your creativity in whatever form you choose. May God bless you.

Love, Kristin

Tanzan,
I FIND YOUR INSINUATION THAT I MAY BE PLAGIARISING SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE..
Please read the top of my dedication. I wrote to Shekhar "someone once said.." and quoted the first half of the paragraph.I have not passed it as my own..actually the last two three lines are abbreviated by me where I have added my own words so it doesnt get too long but just to convey the meaning
For years I have collected words that inspire me from writings and books and poetry I have enjoyed reading..and whenever I find the opportunity I quote them, as I had done with drinking a cup of tea and also the poem when someone deeply listens to you..sometimes I noted the names of the authors, when given- at times the quotations have been anonymously printed or published. In fact Nandita Das will tell you that I was the one who sent her the quotations from Martin Luther King that she posted on one of her blogs.

I have been keying in stuff from various journals now into a folder on my computer, for ready reference but have still not completed all of it.
If you go to my website you will see I often begin my stories with a quote or a story, some are anonymous.
Incidentally I did pull out my old tattered handwritten journal-saved over the years from the time I was a child, and let me correct you and say that your reference is incorrect. The partial quote I mentioned was written by a basketball star Patsy Neal in " Sports and Indentity" where she was talking about why she thinks basketball can be a spiritual experience.
I hope that in future you will show all of us the courtesy to read the posts correctly, verify before writing what you wrote.
Lets not spoil Shekhar's birthday blog. I just got home or would have responded sooner.

Dear Shekhar,

Wish you Happy Birthday.

Venky

Dear Kavita,
Welcome home!

Shekhar,
Come soon to the party!

Love,
~~ Kate

Kavita:

Aapki writing mein gussa zeb nahin deta! :-) (of course, some of my friends in UP ko gussa "aati hai")

(Translation: Anger in your writing looks out of place)

TS: You are one of a kind! Chill out for a while - have a beer, dude (or dudette?)

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Hey, Desh
We are serving punch at the party, with chips, and dip.
Tanzan,
help yourself.

smiles, and cheers Shekhar.
Please, stop by the party Soon!
The decorations are so cool.
And,
We are waiting to cut the cake.
~~ Kate

Dear Shekharji,
On this day...and all days to come,

Wishing you peace and the greatest advuntures in find it each day.

Happy "Birth" day to this earth...how many years ago?

Namaste,
Cinda

I have one helluva temper Desh, contrary to what every one thinks on this blog. It flares up when someone is being unfair, mean or petty, or deliberately cruel-on cyber space or in real time. But I wasnt angry here just very disappointed in TS.
This blog today is a positive space to wish Shekhar on his special day and I think very poorly of any one who would try to make it anything else..that's it.

Dear Shekhar -- Happy Birthday!

Best wishes & cheers :)

Dear Kavita,
Do you like the decorations? Do you think Shekhar will appear soon. We will all jump out at him, with a big Surprise! - when he walks into the room!

Hope you can feel the love for you, too.
~ Kate

Thank You everyone for the birthday wishes. I am very moved. I am in London in a hotel in Soho preparing for Golden Age which is my next film. Thank you, just what I needed. Thank you Kavita. Shekhar

You are welcome Shekhar. all the best.
Thank you Kate for everything..you are precious, and all the posters who joined me in wishing shekhar..

Kavita: I do understand your reaction - sometimes the smart get too smart for themselves.. well TS is busy writing lots of poetry today - expressed Mallika's and DC's thoughts in prose.. wow!

Kate: I am a complete vegetarian... so this is ideal for me! You are having a lot of fun out there! :-) And I am here alone in some God Foresaken hotel room outside Boston freezing outside!

Shekhar: Golden Age? Cool name to have at this stage and day for your movie! :-)

Btw, I read your blog - it was nice. Most people bless their kids with all the good things... I have always thought that was rather useless. Sorrow and Happiness will come no matter what. Blessing that my kids should have is - To not fall over when Happiness comes and to have the strength of character to weather the tough times when they come on in life.

Those who cannot handle bad times with a sense of detachment are the ones who face the worst problems in life. Everyone knows how to enjoy a good time when it is on!

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Hi Desh,
You popped one of the balloons, and found the fortune message contained within!

Here, I have a scarf for you. Burrr .... stay warm!

I too am a vegetarian.
I too agree, Life will challenge each of us, and Fate, Destiny, and intervention - may (or may not) soften the harshness that is part of the human experience, and happiness, though elusive - is to be savored!

There is a deeper meaning, of course. Yet, the surface can be turbulent. Children cannot be protected from events completely. We can give love, guidance, and Trust in the process that will bring them/us eventually - to peace, and unity.

I am sending some more chips your way. sorry, I do believe all the cake has been eaten.

smiles,
Kate

Kate:

WHAT? NO CAKE?

Et tu Katus!

:-)

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Happy Happy!!

Joanie

Hi Joanie,
There are some extra balloons. Be sure to take one with you! :)

Desh,
Oh my, do tell me when your birthday is, and I will see to it, that you shall have some cake!

Thanks for bringing smiles to me. It has been a busy day, and some sadness, has now disappeared, for the sharing.

Thanks, Shekhar - for letting us participate in your birthday.
~~ Kate

Kate:

You are welcome. Whenever you are sad - just increase your temporal space (say, over a 5 year period) and THEN evaluate the event .. it will seem hillariously trivial! :-) Its my little secret to beat up any sadness!

Well, I share my birthday with two of the craziest guys in recent history - Alfred Hitchcock and Fidel Castro! Great minds think alike... and fools... never differ!

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Desh, you are a Leo man..That's good enough your majesty!

"Tanzan,
I FIND YOUR INSINUATION THAT I MAY BE PLAGIARISING SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE.."
~Kavita

****

Kavita, think.
Do you want response
To what you write to me?
Think once, Think twice
In fact think many times

I will wait, but you have to reply
You silence will imply you want reply
In the mean time, I would once more wish
Happy Birth Day to Shekhar and for you

I would pray:
Om!
Shantii!
Shantii!

God!
Peace!
Peace!

Tanzan Senzaki

And, it wasn't ME, whom ate all the cake! (I am giggling too much!) but, I did drink too much diet coke!

Shekhar, did you run off with the cake?

North

Kavita: Mogambo khush hua! Damn.. the incorrigible narcissist in me couldn't help it ;-)

Kate/North - Is this turning out into a "Case of the Missing Cake"?

Cheers,
Desh

Yes, and Desh, is that cake on your face? lol

North

I'm a Leo too; so no fibbing! we can smell a fibber a mile away; especially if they have cake on their face(smiles.)

North

Tanzan
To the one wronged a spontaneous apology
is many a times better than a planned eulogy
so when you delve into your anthology
beware, for the words you speak may be mythology
sometimes the graceful becomes inelegant
the written word turns miscreant
speak wisely do not be ignorant
intellectual property laws are major deterrents
in a world full of literary sleuths
those who write like an ignoramus deserve the boot
Silence at times speaks better then what may be said
But at times to take the higher road becomes a thorny bed
Think twice as you say indeed Tanzan think twice
to practice what you try to preach will indeed be truly wise
and just as there is ebb in the tide
Om shanti shanti is the mantra meant not just for the truly wise
but to be truly felt and not just a shabby guise
when the arrows of the written word miss their intended prize

Sat Sri Akal Shekhar ji!

Janam din di bahut bahut badhai hove!!

Harb

Navin, dude, where are you??

A Poem to share, dedicated to us women; including Shekhar, as he has come to know the femine within himself(I am so proud of you- so, WE are wonderful, aren't we? a woman, I mean?) according to a blog he'd started on male/female qualities within.

FOR SHAME, YOUNG HEART

For shame, young heart;
To deceive thine own bearer, as such;
To tangle her thoughts, as clouds;
Drifting, changing, roaming endlessly;
Through time.

D.D. Sonnenburg
10-1994

OK, TS, Kavita; this is for you, let's see how I do; in keeping up to you two; not sure what to do?

Let us drift from this darkened cloud;
upon a beam of light; towards a wholesome place;
where drifting clouds, take parking space.

No wind, no sail, no gusty gale;
to sail the boats to shore;
then, let's all jump in;
and I say, let's swim!

To safety and love, on peace's shore.

North

Oh fair and lovely north
I follow your path
sailing on peace's shore
laughter and sunshine galore
reaching out to touch the golden in the sun's rays
or the mischievous tide's sensual spray
your warmth melts the dark gray cloud
of words that became a ghostly shroud
of innuendos choosing to dim someone else's light
thanks for making it shine so bright!
Okay enough..I have a bunch of deadlines..TS these are all "original' 5 minute poems..
Now NO MORE
BACK TO LIFE'S MUNDANE chore

Hmm, is peace's a word?

Double-Hmmm; I think everyone is hiding, eating the cake!

North

Oh, to waste a devoured moment, or hour;
To cut, the shrouded twisted power;
From sinking deep, imbedding pain;
For sake of peace, again!

Ciao Kavita; TS, Shekhar, Desh, et al.

Bon Nuit

North

Kavita,
Your response in your forced rhyme poem does not make sense to me.
Are you apologising? Or are you asking me to apologize to you?

"Think twice as you say indeed Tanzan think twice." Are you telling me what I told you? Like you were telling Shekhar what somebody else was telling others?

Are you telling me "Om! Shantii! Shantii!" prayer was a shabby disguise?

I have no intended prize in view. What are you talking about here? Please make yourself clear in your lucid English.

So your reply is no reply to me. Perhaps one might sense some haughtiness in your reply. I may be wrong. Let me know if it is so.

I would like you to come with a clear answer as to what you mean in your response. I would not like to turn this space in some sort of duel. But if you wish so, your wishes will be fulfilled with pleasure. So think again. I will wait.

" I have one helluva temper...", you write. I hope you keep your temper under control. You are a journalist. Every word a journalist writes is scrutinised. If you did not learn it before, I hope you are learning it now, today, tonight, this moment.

Perhaps you will regret if do not make your intentions clear. So think another time. Think well what you will write to me in reply. I wish you well. But I would not hesitate to comply.

Cheers
Tanzan Senzaki

North:

Thanks for the cake.. on face albeit! good to meet a fellow cat!

Harbji:

This couplet is for you, Navin and Rahul - in Punjabi:

Mera jee karda hai...
ki main tere waalan wich wal ban ke bai jawan;

Par main kee karan...
Tu tel hi aina laani hain ki main fisal-fisal jaana waan!

(Translation: (rather crude one) I want to become a curl in your hair;
But alas you oil them so much I keep sliding off!)

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Then allow me Desh, to maintain your stability! :)

So, Harb, Navin and Rahul are celebrating!
North, we know where the cake has gone!

~~ Kate

"TS: You are one of a kind! Chill out for a while..."
~Desh

****

Desh,

I am cool, very cool
But Kavita's mind!
What got into it today?
Some "helluva temper" kind!
Never mind, Never mind.
Perhaps it's one of those days,
When reason goes blind.

Cheers
TS

Desh, I purred, not knowing what that couplet meant; but, then I tripped on my waggy tail! Is that a good sign?(gentle smiles.)

Musta been the cake; I did put in a touch of peach snapps!

North

Dear Harb,
I'm here only. Just a li'l busy. Williamson Magor is locked at upper circuit freeze of 10%. Not bad appreciation in less than a week..eh? I am not selling it.

Dear Kate,

The cake was delicious! Yummy (wink)

Dear Desh,
LOL. Nice couplet. But my hair is not oily, it is silky and shiny....freshly shampood! (wink)

Cheers!
Navin

Tanzan looks like you came out in a hurry from your poetic trance after turning me into a poet.
I always believe people deserve one clear explanation so I will respond in clear English so you get my drift.
You wrote on your post
“Kavita's birthday greetings are coming from the writings of others. see below:”
Your insinuation that I was plagiarizing some one else’s work and passing it off as my own, didn’t sit well with me. Having been at the receiving end of my work being lifted many times and having had to take action, I am extra careful in making sure that people get their due.
And this is what I wrote to you after telling I didn’t like what you were insinuating and explained how I write. And you can see at the top of the dedication. I wrote to Shekhar "someone once said.." and quoted the first half of the paragraph. And said to you. Let’s not spoil Shekhar's birthday blog. I just got home or would have responded sooner.

Desh wrote “Translation: Anger in your writing looks out of place”
And I responded
“I have one helluva temper Desh, contrary to what every one thinks on this blog. It flares up when someone is being unfair, mean or petty, or deliberately cruel-on cyber space or in real time. But I wasn’t angry here just very disappointed in TS.
This blog today is a positive space to wish Shekhar on his special day …etc
Read these lines carefully. The first three are a response to his question that I do have a temper and it flares up for those specific reasons. I have not had any reason so far to be angry on this cyber space, because perhaps I am one of the fortunate bloggers every one has treated mostly with respect and thoughtfulness. I get angry when I see biased articles, bigotry or lies written on cyber space or in print or any media or even when I see people being cruel or petty especially to children and animals. It was a general response.
I specifically said I was not angry at you just disappointed that by writing what you did you just took away the joy of sharing that piece with all of you, and for adding something not very positive to a space that for a few hours should have been just to wish shekhar. You have always come across as a good human being and a gifted writer and if you are what I have believed you to be, just stop and think if what I said just now is valid.
If you believed that I had even for a minute done something inappropriate my email address is listed all over as is my website..you could have written a private email to me and asked..and I’d have clarified.
Now to the poem. Its interesting how one gets so defensive when one thinks one is being attacked isn’t it? Re read all that you’ve written to me- I will come to my poem later
“Kavita,
Your response in your forced rhyme poem does not make sense to me.
Are you apologising? Or are you asking me to apologize to you?’
What do you think Tanzan? If you are as fair yourself as you expect me to be –who do you think should be apologizing for accusing me of plagiarism? Actually it was neither me apologizing to you, nor do I want your apology..the apology should have been to shekhar who you had eulogized in a birthday post. Incidentally he really liked that blog and didn’t think my wishes were plagiarized from the writing of others

"Think twice as you say indeed Tanzan think twice." Are you telling me what I told you? Like you were telling Shekhar what somebody else was telling others?
That line was in response to your
Do you want response
To what you write to me?
Think once, Think twice
In fact think many times
This can be interpreted in many ways-it can mean a veiled threat or it can mean in jest. I took it in jest and said to you that you too should have thought twice before writing and saying I was lifting things from other people. In fact I was really fine when I wrote that poem and if you see I did not even respond to Desh’s comment
Kavita: I do understand your reaction - sometimes the smart get too smart for themselves.. well TS is busy writing lots of poetry today - expressed Mallika's and DC's thoughts in prose.. wow!
Then

Are you telling me "Om! Shantii! Shantii!" prayer was a shabby disguise?
Not at all, what I was saying is that people tend to use sugar coated words to hide their true intent..it was not directed at you and actually I was having a lot of fun rhyming because the words were coming very quickly. As I have said to you I don’t write poetry usually and it’s been fun to do this. I read it to a friend of mine after posting it and he was telling me I should go for a competition where they do on the spot rapping and rhyming since I was always good at it.
If you had read the poem objectively as a third person, as you did my very first one, you’ll realize that there is nothing sinister in it..even at the end of the second poem I wrote very tongue in cheek these are original poems and took me 5 minutes to churn them out..
Do you remember how happy you were when you read my first attempt, but obviously you were taking this personally..in fact I thought I had been repetitive with truly wise, and you would say hey you used that word twice
I have no intended prize in view. What are you talking about here? Please make yourself clear in your lucid English.
I presume I don’t have to answer this now
So your reply is no reply to me. Perhaps one might sense some haughtiness in your reply. I may be wrong. Let me know if it is so.
I would like you to come with a clear answer as to what you mean in your response. I would not like to turn this space in some sort of duel. But if you wish so, your wishes will be fulfilled with pleasure. So think again. I will wait.
" I have one helluva temper...", you write. I hope you keep your temper under control. You are a journalist. Every word a journalist writes is scrutinized. If you did not learn it before, I hope you are learning it now, today, tonight, this moment.
Perhaps you will regret if do not make your intentions clear. So think another time. Think well what you will write to me in reply. I wish you well. But I would not hesitate to comply.
Do you know I can accuse you of the same thing..not just haughtiness and also ask if what you wrote above a veiled threat? I don’t take to threats kindly, never have, but I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that because you are taking every thing so personally you are upset. Don’t be..
Also think about this- if my perceived slights in your mind have hurt you enough to make you write these angry words, would it also not be inappropriate, for me to ask you to step into my shoes and think for a minute that you wrote something unthinkingly and that wasn’t fair.
Every word a journalist writes is scrutinized
Hmm, not really-I skip the writings of a lot of journalists. Incidentally if you had really scrutinized my words you would have never written the very first line of your post, because you’d have known I was quoting someone else, and there is nothing wrong in that.
I have been writing here for a few months, and I hope that by now people see my integrity as a writer. I also hope we will all remember to treat each other just the way we expect to be treated.
Tanzan, life is too short as I always say to hold grudges or get riled on a blog, but at the same time I believe in being a straight shooter when I feel someone is not being fair..North will vouch for it when we had that little fiasco about sachin..I didn’t have to but I stood up for him and clarified. Just as we expect others to be fair and kind and honorable we must do the same.
Please don’t just read through this think about it TS and you can write to me directly..take care..I did not want you to go to bed upset and I hope you will read this before that.
I didn’t see this until 20 minutes ago..am working round the clock right now

Kavita, actually, since you brought it up; according to TS translation, in that thread; Sachin called me, empty or small brained; I read it myself; a few times now; to be sure; but, we won't go there again, to re=read..b/c I no longer hold it or care about it. He is a small man; and I only did; what you do now.

North

TS - I've seen a few people here lately; use some of my phrases, or particular words as their own; even my trade-mark (wink.) do I point, or protest? no! why? they were not my words to begin with; are your words, really,,,,yours?

I mean, really, are they?

Of course not! Just because they came from your mind; does not necessarily mean; YOU put them there for future use.

Most of us make use of other's thoughts; just disguised into thinking they were ours, as they get jumbled with all the rest in our cloudy heads.

North

Desh,

Good couplet: And here is its extension:

unj koi gal nahin
je mein fisl vi gaya
tan kidher chala javan ga.
jan galhan te aa javanga
jan hotan te aa javanga
eh vi menu manjur hai.
edu vi thora hor thale
choli ke pichhe vi chala gaya
tan vi koi gal nahin
tun apna tel lon da shok pura kar!

Navin, lol, I was yet preparing myself to order! In fact I am busy in translating a book. So did not see much of the market. Now I have seen it, eh tan sala wakia hi upper tangia pia.

Hello Kate, always in love with you!

Navin, Rahul, where is the cake, K is saying WE are eating it but you have not even shown it to me! kale kale na kha jaio. Ehde waste bhaven menu mumbai vi sad lio tan vi mein aa jaoonga.

Best of wishes to you all!

Harb

ha ha North again please check the source..he just mixes his hindi and english and the words just clutter together..he is really a nice guy..there are some people I wouldnt bother to stand up for but in his case please give him the benefit of the doubt..there were several people dissing astrology on another blog and he was reacting to that too..
but above all thank you for having a big heart..none of the people who rile us should mean anything in our lives but every one is human, and imperfect, at times words are written in haste...do you know I can delete stuff posted here any time I want to, and I dont because, I believe every one is well intentioned..our arrows unleash after a hard day, or a hard knock...have you ever seen a happy person being mean..its when we all get tired of carrying our burdens that we snap from time to time..
lets forgive...on one hand I can say Ts should mean nothing to me and I to her..but all I see is someone who was hurt just as I was disappointed and all because of some stupid word play..its not worth it really..right now in the past 30 minutes what means more to me is thatI sold 40 of my cds in the past 15 minutes..and that the proceeds will bring relief to some poor and needy people back home where a 77 year old woman is doing amazing work while we are sitiing here doing nothing much that will go down in history! :)

Ok, but, I still don't see what you see in the translation. I saw, what TS saw; so dropping it at my end; you can think he's nice all ya want; I don't; that's my bottom line. lol

Hmm, nothing I write will go down in history, that's for prob, sure; but, Im afraid; I still write...using a psyuedonym.

You have my articles; you know what I done/do; and that's only some of them; not all of them.

I can't stop the fight for hope for women and families like mine; where I came from, how I was raised; how poverty never left my bones in all these years; and IN Canada; it only has gotten, obscured in political scandalization and the problem worsens.

Currently; I hope to see people on assistance, get to KEEP< all of the child tax credit the governement gives the working poor; but, takes from the social assisted poor? As of current events; assisted poor; lose half of it; being taken from their assistance checque. Ludicrous, and discriminatory act, against the disabled poor!

IF that's not a descriminatory act; I don't know what IS! SO far, fruit is growing on this tree; and it's been over seven years in the growing!(wink) a very slow-growing tree.

nope, I"ll never be anything more, but what I am, and I"m not going down in history; but, making a minute difference, one news-article/letter at a time; is more than most.

And Kavita; your stars point in the direction of stardom!

North

Sorry I did not provide the translation of my couplet in answer to Desh's, here it is now:

Anyway, never mind
even if I slid down
where will I go?

Either to the cheeks
or to the lips
it is acceptable to me

Even if I slid still below
behind or below the choli
I will never mind
You carry on with your hobby
of putting oil into your hair

Vah vah...salaam valekum.. Harb.

NORTH, leo woman, I'M TIRED BUT ONE LAST TIME IN DEFENCE OF SACHIN..:)Here are two of his posts..after I answered your question and then navin did and some others had been asking-please see what he wrote below

"Navin&Kavita....Tell them about permutations and combinations. How astro can be as complex as Calculus. Chota sa deemak..Chotese se horizons. uspe ulta Tumsein disrespectfully baath karenge. If we do not know something...there has to be humbleness when asking someone who is deep into it. Sahin ya galath?
Ts did not have to translate the english part-he said "tell them"..I mistakenly read it as a response to your question..then he clarified below and I'm going to translate it

"Kavita...Main North south east west..sabki baath kar raha tha...explicitly nahi kahan maine uska naam. She was very nice true...and I never meant for her."
translation-
Kavita I was not referring to north south east west..I was referring to everybody, i never mentioned her name explicitly..she is very nice true and I never meant for her"

"Generally speaking" baath kar raha tha main....'
I was making the statement in general" he meant people just jump to conclusions or dont give astrology the respect it deserves..the mistake if any was mine in misunderstanding..
and thank you comrade astrologer..amen to the last prediction!

And congrats, Kavita on the CD-sales; how wonderful of you to do this generous gesture!

I couldn't sell a toothbrush to a cavity!

Keep up the good work/intentions Kavita; the world needs women like you.

North

I couldn't sell a toothbrush to a cavity..awesome. I am going to steal that line with your permission it is hilarious!

I don't like him Kavita; and it was a confirmed positive way before the mixup; which seems to be getting even more mixupped? lol eeeeeeeeeK

I don't like people, whom hit someone with a negative verbally/emotionally punch; and then quickly takes it back; two words later and says, "just kidding." I find that, abusive and controlling behaviour.

North

Ok, you have my permission Kavita, tp steal my joke(yes, I made it UP, on the spot); but, please, if you sell it to Seinfeld, or on EBay, you know my snail address; I'm desperate ya know!

I am splitting my sides laughing lol

North

ok you win! I tried LOL! That is so typically Leo though..cant make a leo chnage their mind but they usually think things through and its okay!

Lol Everybody,

I think I just did not go deep enough into this thread previously. Or perhaps I got confused on the dates because of the East-West chakkar!

This day, December 6th is very important to me too.

Three years ago my most beloved and only grandson Savi was also born on this very day, i.e, December 6th. Today I was just going through all the above posts here at liesure and suddenly realized this! And my grandson is not just a grandson, our love with each other is talk of the family!

And wonder of wonders, my son likes Shekhar very much (in fact he is also interested in making films but could not give practical shape to his wishes). A few years ago he would talk and talk of him to me and othres of our family but we would not give much thought. Now just see he is not even on this blog and I am wishing Shekhar happy birthday.

Of course, I will tell him everything when I go to meet him.

Cheers, Harb.

K, who me? Was packing my bag. and i am not fond of cakes.

Dear Rahul,
Safe travel!
Pack our affection in your bag. Cake would be much to messy, and not to your taste!
smiles,
love
~~ Kate

Kavita, “Kavita's birthday greetings are coming from the writings of others.”
I stand by it. Yes, your blog, did originate from the writings of Patsy Neal. You did copy her material. And you made her “someone” who “once said”.

You went on copying sentence after sentence of her beautiful writing in your blog. You are not a lay person who does not know when something is quoted—copied word by word in your case, almost a whole paragraph, the major part of your blog – that quotation marks are needed and due credit is given where the credit is due. If you practice your journalism the other way by making others writings appear as your own, so be it.

You got insinuated yourself thinking that you were very likely plagiarizing Patsy Neal. I just posted what I found. No analysis. No judgment. No comment. All your interpretations and understandings were your own stemming from your own conscience. Almost going into a temper tantrum stating you had a “helluva temper”, and calling it a disappointment. If you knew what you were doing was fair, then why this fit of anger? Perhaps there were more things hidden in the closet!

In your subsequent explanations you go on whining, explaining how do you write, how do you help others in their writings, how you take the support of other readers in your defense of plagiarism/quoting if any, etc. Ms. Chhibber, there is no need of it. You know how you do your business best. It is of least concern here. But what is bothering is that you expect a cop, catching a thief red handed committing a crime, to apologize.

And this comes from your haughtiness, snobbishness and arrogance. “who do you think should be apologizing for accusing me of plagiarism?” This is your attitude. Ms. Chhibber, no body accused you of anything. You accused yourself of plagiarism. So go and apologize to yourself. Be a good journalist and be happy. I am not upset at you. You are upset at yourself. No boy is threatening you of anything.

I posted what I found. And I will continue to do so. I write/post what I see. No hanky-panky. No nonsense. No hiding. Straightforward. Upfront. So there is no need for me to communicate with you privately sending you email messages. I have no qualms. No bones of contention. Nothing to settle. But to be fair for the sake of honesty, openness and fairness.

If you still have more whining and ranting to do before you cool yourself, perhaps this will help you. If you continue to present your writings to the readers of Intentblog that are not your writings, then it is up to them to make whatever they think of your writings.

But if you think what you are playing is a fair game, then please send me your writings where you have used the copyright materials of other writers under the guise of “Some one once said that” or “Somewhere I read”, and you kept on copying sentence after sentence, almost whole paragraphs, the major parts or the central parts of your writings. And you made money out of it either directly or indirectly.

Now finally, do you want me to expose your writings further? Many people at this blog site have praised you in your writing that were not yours and were copied from other sources. Never once did you in your replies to the readers state that they were not your sentences, not your paragraphs. You complacently sat on your laurels. Is it fair to the readers? Let me know. I will wait for your response. Your silence or you haughtiness and arrogance will force me to expose your writings further.

I hope you are having a nice time in Puerto Rico in enlightening your audience.

Cheers
Tanzan Senzaki

Respectfully, Tanzan-
There is no need to continue to put gasoline on the fire.
Our words do carry content and the intent can sometimes be hidden, or clearly seen.
I know the point you make.
And I am sure, other posters here at intentblog.

I will speak for myself, the best 'advice' I can give,
Enough of this.

As North said, words are common, and when arranged cleverly - are unique. But there are no 'new' words under the sun.

This blog is a format to share. You have this oppportunity, and everyone who chooses to write here.

Can we not practice respect for each in the way we dialogue? posters and contributers, alike.

Blessings to All,
~ Kate

thank you Kate.
Tanzan it seems I have wasted my time with you. A pity..You do what you think is right and I will do what I feel is right. Ultimately we are only answerable to ourselves.
I can live with my conscience, and I hope you can with yours.
No one has sued me so far for plagiarism. and we will leave it at that.
Good luck

Dear Kavita,

After Tanzan mentioned it, I did some searches and noticed that some of your blogs are abridged versions from articles that you've written much earlier. Two examples,

Aug 28th "Amazing Grace" is an edit job of an article that appeared earlier: http://www.nripulse.com/Archives/ReflectionsDec16.htm where some intermediate paras you wrote about your grandmothers were eliminated. "10 days ago" was updated to "some time back".

Sept 11th "Black Tuesday" is an edit job of an article that you wrote on Sept 11th a year before that: http://www.nripulse.com/Archives/ReflectionsSept16.htm (you updated "The third anniversary of September 11" to "The fourth anniversary of September 11". Both articles even reproduce a spell checker typo: 9”11’01 :)

You can't plagiarize from yourself!!!! I'm far from an authority on journalistic ethics, but I was wondering if it is proper to mention ("this article appeared in ...."). Using stuff verbatim and merely updating the mention of time seems a little curious to me. But then this is a blog ...

When I read your articles earlier, I assumed they were current and spurred by events of the moment. You never claimed as much: so I was being presumptuous.

Anyways, I mostly enjoy reading the world view you present. As also Tanzan's, even when it is incindiary. :)

Tanzan

Kavita has openly accredited her quote as anothers'. You do not even accredit your posts with your own name!!Please speak from the vantage position of veracity of your own identity, to begin with.

I thought of you as a remarkable person with talent. Anyone who can translate poetry, which is essentially one of the most artistic expressions of the mind,with as much artistry, had to be above average emotionally.But this facet is unhealthy. Kavita, is a responsible journalist, to say the least and the most interactive blogger.Her contribution to the success of this blog is immeasurable. A petty issue has been blown out of proportion. It is unfair to cast aspersions of the kind ,in a public forum such as this.

As a fellow Indian, I would suggest that we bury the hatchet. For one the world is watching. Secondly it is not worth it..It is a 'lose lose situation all the way.

Come on Tanzan.. translate this for me
'dushmani jum ke karo,lekin itni gunjayish rakho
ke jab kabhi galle mille, sharmindagi na ho'.

I have written this in the best of intentions and request that it should be viewed as such

Rab sukh rakhe

Originality is the art of concealing your source!

~ I dont know :-)

But I believe it to be true. No one .. NO ONE I have ever heard, read or met... has ever said ANYTHING that was NEVER SAID before, NEVER HEARD BEFORE, or NEVER IMPLIED before.

So, guys, whoever says he or she is original is a liar. Tanzan, you are fighting an unnecessary battle my friend... some musicians get inspired from birds and become Masters and some, like Bhappi Lahiri become inspired by fellow musicians and called thieves! To me this is ridiculous!

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Is this not plagiarisms under the guise of “ I read somewhere that”?

For Norm and all the posters who are special and precious

Kavita Chhibber - December 02, 2005

I read some where that home is a place where you catch a dream
and ride it to the end of the line and back. Where you can watch shadow and light doing a tight little tango on a wooden floor or an intoxicated moon rising through an empty window. Home is a place to become yourself. It’s the right spot, the bright spot, or just the spot where you can land on your feet or recline in a tub of sparkling brew if you’re so inclined. It’s a place of silence where harmony and chaos are shuffled like a deck of cards and it’s your draw. It’s somewhere you can close a door and open your heart.

Posted by Kavita Chhibber at December 2, 2005 04:52 PM

***

Now compare it with what Theo Pelletier writes:

"Home is a place where you can catch a dream and ride it to the end of the line and back. Where you can watch shadow and light doing a tight little tango on a wooden floor or an intoxicated moon rising through an empty window. Home is a place to become yourself. It’s the right spot, the bright spot, or just the spot where you can land on your feet or recline in a tub of sparkling brew if you’re so inclined. It’s a place of silence where harmony and chaos are shuffled like a deck of cards and it’s your draw. It’s somewhere you can close a door and open your heart." - Theo Pelletier

http://www.pastors.com/RWMT/?ID=192

Hi A.k.
I think I mentioned in one of my blogs that I will be sharing some of my previous writings on this blog from time to time. When Mallika had asked what I wanted to be my first blog, I had said I would like to use my bio, on my site as my first blog. In fact when Mallika had initially invited me to write she had mentioned that I could also use some of my articles here. I thought it was an excellent idea since at that time our audience was very different and I will continue to use some of the stuff I have written earlier or even recently here. I also pick up blogs from here with permission and put them on my site to publicise intentblog plus the writers get a wider audience. I have about 185,000 readers worldwide checking my site each month.
My story on Saraswati Jain was picked up by another emag it is also on my site in the helping hands column and it will be used by Canada's largest emag next month. Sunil Kapahi's story has been picked up by three other publications and is doing the rounds of the IIT boards since he is an ex IItian and on the BIT(Birla Institute of technology)boards since his wife is from there..Its funny that even these mags will not say that this article by me was previously published in another magazine.
I personally never thought it necessary to list the mags I write for..I am sure you all know some of what rahul bose and rahul khanna, andsome others wrote have appeared in publications elsewhere.
Kaveetaa thank you for your kind words. I need to make a few points here though.
Firstly, my writing is out there..an open book..on the internet in hard copy..intellectual property laws are very stringent in this country and I take it very seriously simply as I said Ihave been at the receiving end.
I must also add that whatever someone says here good or bad is taken by me personally with a sense of detachment. There are some posters here however whom I havent met but have grown very very fond of -kaveetaa, kate, ron, north and many others.
At the same time I believe that people who like what I write especially who dont know me, will continue to like what I write, no matter how vicious or mean spirited or petty someone tries to be in criticism or simply to create a ripple.
People who dont like my writing will find faults, will claim this and that, and frankly it doesnt bother me in the least.
Personally the only people who matter to me, whose words can hurt me or make me happy are people who know me and are family and friends.
I dont know what is the right way..to distance myself from all of you like every one else and not respond just because one person claims my work is tarnished, or take into account the immeasurable love and respect and appreciation and wonderful interaction I have had with people who spend so much time to write and respond to my blogs..
There are days I work until 3 am. and wake up again at 6 because I spent 2 hours writing back responses to all of you.
For now, let me just say the love I receive here wins hands down..I always feel compassion when I see a tirade as negative as Tanzan's-it comes from a heart that is not at peace or happy..and it also makes me wonder whether we are fulfilling the intent of this blog..
Anyway I will continue to appreciate the positive I see here and blow away the negative. Tanzan can go to other blogs that she feel are original and not plagiarised from anyhwere..it does sadly remind me of the blog I wrote on he said she said and how at time malicious lies can destroy so much..
I dont owe any one an explanation here, but as I said I try my best to be inter-active to share my point of view and explain things to the best of my ability. Now you can take what you want from it and move on...

Tanzan,
thanks for letting me know the name of the writer.
HE IS AWESOME.Is there anything else written by him?it is a quote a friend had sent in a letter to me, without naming the author..when I was moving from atlanta to michigan and not happy about it

My response is; Oh, dear!

North

Desh LEO Man, thanks! Now you know why I like em! well I will be away from this blog for the rest of the day-deadlines to catch..I think my posts have explained whatever I had to say.. take care all of you and thanks for the love..

Kavita, no need to explain further; WE know(ya know?)

You have my love, support and admiration!

North

Kavita,

So this quote/writing by another writer becomes your writing under the guise of " I read somewhere that".

Is this you do all the time? And when people praise you on your poetic/wonderful writings, you complacently take the praise as if it is your writing. Never ever, even once, you acknowledge that this did not come out of your head.

Cheers and Good Luck with your journalism.
Tanzan Senzaki

ah Tanzan,
people are not commenting on my writing but the words they are reading. Frankly it's immaterial whether they are written by me or you or any one else..what is mine remains mine, what belongs to someone else will remain their's-but adopted children are as beautiful and precious as our own. I have no plans to stop quoting stories poetry writings of people whether I know there names or not..just because it brings out the worst in you.
I'm sorry no one is agreeing with you, and that seems to be riing you further. Even after you put your first comment every one ignored you and continued to wish Shekhar. I appreciate that very much. btw this entire para is original..and my own:)
I hope you feel better. Thank you for your good wishes.
I wish you the same

Kavita, thanks for your detailed response. As I mentioned, it was new to me. I had incorrectly assumed that the articles were written at the time you posted it, and not a year prior.

You mentioned: "I must also add that whatever someone says here good or bad is taken by me personally with a sense of detachment". That is so powerful a trait to have, and I commend you for reaching there. I wish I could be in that state (beyond just this blog) all the time!

I should think; that the opening in that statement made Tanzan; explains the quotation more than adequately enough by Kavita? "I heard once" means, the words are NOT hers? hello?

I hope you realize; that accusations of this severity, made in malice; without actual facts; is a good foundation; for a defemation of character, and slander legal action; against Kavita's personal regard.

I hope you realize; that such actions you are currently exploring; subject you Tanzan; for charges such as, so mentioned.

Take care, in the steps you take; to create malicious intent, towards Kavita; or anyone; on such grounds you create.

Karma comes to everyone; and you are not immune. The boom-a-rang you toss to the wind-creation of slander and defemation of character; very well will indeed; come back to visit you, in future yourself?

I am NO lawyer, or journalist; or anyone special, or powerful, and I'm told; empty-minded?; I am just a simple ol' single Mom on a disability; for growing up in poverty; and so now living in a diseased body; but, I do know an action of malice when I see one. I just moved from: "the projects" which I spent months fighting to have named: "Units" for eleven years.

I recognise an attempt to dimantle a wonderful woman's heart; when I see it; curfew her time with this garbage; and cause perhaps ir-repairable repair to her sense of trust from now on?

And, in closing; let us take a firm approach; Mallika; Deepak; Gotham, and Shekhar; for the sake of common decency here, and take a stand for Kavita, against this cold wind.

North

Kavita,

"btw this entire para is original..and my own:)"

Congratulations on being able to write something on your own and not making others writings as you own.

TS

I appologise for my typo's, but not the rant; I see too much pushing and shoving lately; to perhaps grant a warrant of an interception perhaps? I do not presume to know what to do; I only know; I can not stand back silently; and watch Kavita; be beaten up, in such a malicious way.

Just when Kavita is in her rising star; always, there will be someone; to attempt to tarnish it; let us prevent that. Just when Kavita admits to deadline's and brutal hours; this is what is thrown to her; from this place; so this place, is where the healing intervention need apply liberally.

I feel wounded, as I watch this happening; perhaps I am too sensitive after all; for a place, torn by a need; for "two minutes of fame."

Kavita; you know where I am; if I am not here...I am there...

North

Ok, one typo correction:

the word is --> dismantle, NOT dimantle!

I, myself have seen my thoughts rearranged from time to time by someone; this is a terribly flattering thing; for ME< a Leo; rubs my lionic ego-deep-itch tremendously well(giggles);

and it honours me to know, that perhaps a human being; lost for the right words, found them in mine; and IF it helps them step one more step forward in a positive light; then I am the Blessed one, for providing the words..not them, using it.

sharing knowledge is a lamp for all; and not to be hoarded.

There! Now, I am over-punctuating; look at the web being woven, it has touched a tranquility's base!

North

Tanzan why are you so bent on humiliating yourself and losing your self respect.
You are already a laughing stock in the eyes of others.

I think plagiarsim is a serious charge and must be taken seriously. When I read something written by anyone on this blog, even the anonymous posters, I presume that they are writing their own thoughts. If they are not writing their own thoughts, I would hope they would have the integrity to acknowledge the fact even if they don't know the source.

It's acceptable to use ones own writings from the past, imo but to use other's writings, without even going into the legalities of it, just simply is not an honorable thing to do.

I think you will have to go through to the entire post here to get the gist Divya..Kavita should be considering a lawsuit right now against Tanzan.

my first comment here. this was a well intentioned happy birthday post right? now its an ethical debate, an expose on plagiarism, a defense of journalism integrity, a public smear campaign, and whatever!
imho miss chibber rocks. at least she takes the time to respond...even that actor guy doesnt bother with his worshippers...sorry, i think his movies suck anyway.
tanzan of the jungle- i know some hormonal supplements i can recommend if you need em. they work trust me. lets get on with life yall. you wanna debate this til shekars next birthday?

Sorry Aditi (and Kavita) if I missed something important and made an inappropriate comment. When I popped in to Intent all of the recent action happened to be on this thread and I only read the last ten posts or so.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHEKHAR!!

This birthday post morphed into an accusation of plagiarism. So what? Welcome to blogs.

Lawsuit? You guys need to better understand law.

Why tell anyone to shut up? Let all the views pour in. We are talented enough to retain what each of us like, and discard what we believe is noise. IMO, if there weren't wildly dissenting voices on intentblog, it would be *so* drab. And this dissent always comes from the commenters - I have never seen any contributor seriously counter the thesis of another, except in obvious jest.

I have just read the string regarding "it is Past Midnight Here so Happy Birthday Shekhar!" I visit this site often and am always pleased to read what is on here. Although not an active participant, I always enjoy the articles and the dialogue, but I am very disappointed to see the nature of attacks on this blog and feel inclined to interject before it gets messier. I understand that the point of a blog is to state an opinion, fact etc, but this is simply in poor taste and some things could be perceived as very damaging. Firstly, Shekhar, happy birthday. Secondly not to add fuel to the fire, but in hopes that we can put this to rest, I feel I need to interject here, not just as a intentblog fan, but as an Attorney.

It is true this is a blog and well that allows, to an extent, free reign to say whatever one wishes- that's the beauty of it. However, just because it is a blog does not mean that anything can be said. I am sure Kavita does not take the words of TS personally, in fact she said she doesn't. But as pointed out in a post, this is a site that is read by many. And while most may not take these dialogues too seriously, it is an open forum for everyone around the world to read. Therefore from a legal perspective it does leave open the possibility of a lawsuit. Some of the posts here that accuse Kavita of certain acts are serious and do have the basis for defamation.

There are now legal cases that are extending beyond conventional defamation suits where one is slandered in newspapers or in public speeches, etc. First Amendment Rights are now being governed and taken seriously in cyberspace, including chat rooms,and blogs. As a result so are the other issues that are an extension of such rights, including and most importantly defamation.

As we all know plagiarism is an act not to be taken lightly, in particular if done by someone who makes a living from writing. Accusing someone of plagiarism, particularly one who is a public figure and one who makes a living from writing and reputed as a writer or journalist is an even more serious offense that has greater repurcussions. People's careers and lives have been destroyed because of malicious rumors and false accusations such as those here. And that should be taken seriously. For all of us who enjoy Kavita's words we don't want this to go any further than it has for no reason.

I would also like to reiterate Kavita's opening lines..." someone once said.." it is quite clear that she is not claiming these words as her own.

On a more positive note, for all the other contributors here and to Kavita, thanks for the great words and keep it up.

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One thing is for sure-good writers may not be good persons. This is what Kavita has proved. She has belittled herself before all those lofty blogs she has posted. And with her reactions to Tanzan all she reflects is her bloated ego and too much ot "I-I-I". I guess it is very difficult to live upto your own lofty words. Lofty words and good writing skills could all be acquired and with google around it could be lifted that easily now - no big deal.
So do we need good writers on this blog or good persons?. I guess Intentblog has some WORLDWIDE agenda of new paradigm shift and new human values - This is very very LOFTY vision - Folks, we got be serious about the credentials of writers who contribute on this site.

Is Tanzan writing under an alias. Sounds very much like her.The language is very similar. We have never seen a Pastro here before

Guys I just got back..Really thanks every body, for your support, but I hope that people who are sitting there criticising me have better things to do. You've said your piece. I didnt think I was that important in the scheme of things that every one would spend so much time discussing me.
Do something positive with your time. People who like me or my work arent going to change their mind, and those who don't arent in my corner to begin with, so it never really mattered.
Please do something constructive..life is too short, it took a few minutes for the Tsunami, the earthquakes to wipe out lives. Use these minutes to do something good, something worth while.
You are giving me and my work quite a plug. Now more people will probably go back and re read it!

north, Kaveetaa thank you for your kind words. Some of my friends are visiting me for christmas and are very touched by them. aditi is one of them.
Sree you are not just a super attorney but so much more. Two of you will be contributing to my site this month. Thanks

Dear Kavita; I am so glad Sree re-inforced my opinion; that this is slanderous, etc. thanks Sree; I felt uncomfortable saying what I felt; that I had to, it puts me in the line of fire, and I've been there, done that, and know the path all too well. I know, the intervener, often loses most.

One does not survive eleven years in the Units(projects) without gaining recognition for trouble, and we either build, or get broken/beaten; from social-survival skills, such as "recognising" something; which is not good; and taking a pro-active measure against it; to stop it's spread.

But, to also mention; Tanzan, you are obvious wise, poetic, and I somehow get the gist you have a soft heart by nature; but, for some reason; you have chosen your talent-gift; to cause harm, not necessarily good.

Why do you choose to be a whistle-blower; and not a band-player?

This is a critical question; you must indeed, ask of yourself; because it is quite obvious, you have a need to point, finger and destroy in public. I think, you might be hurting inside; have been hurt and manipulated, perhaps decieved? It is the only reasoning I can find, to understand for your actions.

Well, Mom-speech over, again....CAN we get a group-hug? And Tanzan; fellow Spirit, if you feel you may have wronged Kavita; I know saying "sorry, I was wrong" has healed countries, mended broken hearts; and keep families together.

Love to All, and All to Love!

UNITI AMOUR SITIS (Be United in Love)

North

Tanzan = Pastro

What is wrong with you Tanzan or Pastro whoever you are? GET A LIFE!!!!
Go somewhere else to read blogs.
I have been coming to intentblog for couple of months now and reading most of the blogs and have seen only Kavita and Shekhar response to most of the comments. UNLIKE some hot shot actor (but can't act) have not once commented after he had posted his standard statement about his movie.

Dear Tanzan

Just curious. Do you act on hunches or you are just so fantastically well-read that you retain things in your memory? Anyhow I write this to endorse what you have said and I feel it has merit.

Someone
Ths discussion is not about whether authors are taking time to respond to each mail but about literary transparency and I do not believe one can subsume the other. They are both acts of deliberation

Kaveeta
TS choosing to have an alias (like many others I'm sure)does not in any way interfere with the facts he is revealing. At least not for me.

Aditi
I have read the whole thread and I am disconcerted by it.

Kavita
A gracious admission would have gone a long way. I for one who was so moved by the 'language' of your piece on 'home' and lauded you as did many others and find it very odd that your natural instinct was not to say you had taken the words(especially since they seem to be verbatim)from somewhere else. The wisdom of the words do not lesson but your responses leave me troubled. What you do with your 'literary earnings' cannot be a justification(don't know whether that was being offered as one) neither the fact that the words came as an 'authorless' missive to you. I'm sorry for being so forthright but I guess Intent is a place where so much is being invested by both who author and who comment. If 'consciousness' be the larger road of this marvellous forum, this thread seems to have gone awry.
I agree no idea can be generically called 'original' anymore but I think there is an acceptable formula in the intellectual world that the language and self-expression which carry, shape and often transform the idea do indeed carry an identity. I guess it is the acceptable gracious form by which wisdom travels the route of creativity.

I think Kaveetaa has said it all.

When TS herself has no real identity she has no right to lecture kavita on plagiarism.

Moreover, I dont think we are writing here some academic paper that we should give the exact name and all that of somebody we quoted. 'Someone said' must be adequate in this what I may call a close circle of acquaintances if not altogether friends.

People, learn to relax!!

Harb

I think TS has succeeded - out of jealousy towards Kavita perhaps - in making proverbial mountain out of a molehill.

Kavita has clearly said 'someone once said,' and now here comes jasjit saying 'your natural instinct was not to say that you had taken the words from somebody else...' as if he was sitting behind from where Kavita's natural instincts were coming...

Seems this commedy of egerrors (ego + non-existing errors seen simply because of it)will go on for some more time now...

Harb

Jasjit,

Thanks for taking the time to read again that "Home" blog, the comments and the responses from the author. Reader after reader, including myself, was moved by the language in the first half of the blog. I read extensively, and I suspected that something was amiss, it appeared as lifted from somewhere else. You can tell there was no Indian English in it that you often find in authors from India with English as second or third language. My research proved it.

I am still amazed at the complacency of the author shown in the responses. It appeared the author enjoyed it vicariously. My impression could be wrong. But I do agree with you there is a total lack of literary transparency.

In fact there is another piece about Shekhar's birthday where I found more or less the same thing.

Cheers
TS

Please forgive me, but I ask this question with an open heart and sincerity: can an Astrologist be a responsible journalist?

Hello Everyone,

How are you all doing?

May I suggest that when we are directly quoting another source that we take the time to place all the necesary grammatical punctuation marks in place so as to avoid misinterpretation and confusion?

Here is an example of the proper way of quoting someone. Carl Sagan is well known for saying: "There are billions and billions of stars in the known universe."

This is another way of saying the same thing that may cause some confusion. Carl Sagan is well known for saying that there are billions and billions of stars in the known universe, not that the latter way is wrong.

Please relax everyone and keep amimus and ill will out of our exchanges. It is totally counterproductive.

Humble regards,

Ron Saywack.

Hi Ron,

This is sooo funny! I am in the middle of reading this book, it starts with Carl saying, “I never said Billions and Billions”.

But your right Ron “Please relax everyone and keep animus and ill will out of our exchanges. It is totally counterproductive".

Good night

Jasjit,

First of all, your query to Tanzan whether she has a fantastic memory or is it a hunch. Obviously Jasjit you are not computer savvy. No harm there. A lot of us here are not. There is a tool on yahoo by virtue of which, merely by clicking on a piece of writing, the web will immediately reproduce the source. So all tanzan did was exercise the option and Lo and behold! a list of instances where this particular quote was incorporatted, revealed itself. It takes all of 2 seconds. Obviously, Kavita has been a net journo long enough to be educated on this tool. It is preposterous to think that she had any purpose at the back of her mind, other than offering a good read.

As for your contention that Tanzans alias does not effect you, is totally a subjective opinion. If she does not have the courage either in her convictions nor the courage to reveal her identity, I definitely think that her intentions to visit a site such as Intentblog become suspect.Let him cast the first stone who has done no harm himself! An individual who can lie about his/her name, should be granted credibility, is imo,blasphemous.

What has she gained? What is the purpose in criticising another with an attack-n-hide modus operandi. Perhaps you have not been reading her other posts. When not translating Urdu poetry(at which she is brilliant, incidentally) she is spending time deriding bloggers and commenters alike. Some time back it was Sohaila Kapur. Please go through that blog. Incomplete information is a dangerous thing Jasjit. If she is so sure of her stand, why does she not reveal herself.This to my mind is cowardice and should NOT BE CONDONED. Fight , if you must, but follow ethics, worthy of a sane, thinking human being!

I am in tandem totally with you and I think had expressed the same thought in more or less the same words, that at intent a lot of time, passion and involvement has been invested by both the bloggers and commenters. To my mind therefore to use an alias, defeats the purpose of being here. This is a serious blog, in its essence, frequented by those whose quest for the spiritual has led them here. Where then is there room for lies, in any form, on this blog? to opine, as you have done that many are using an alias, therfore it is acceptable is wrong even as a premise. I have been here long enough to realise that the most vicious comments are made in anonymity. It does harm, causes hurt to those who are sensitive and is gross and debauche. Those who resort to it need help. They have come here for the purpose, I guess to exorcise their demons, but are doing it at the cost of other individuals.

Jas jit, I have often liked your views. But more often than not have found them shrouded behind clever use of words, where the underlying idea has been lost . Communication by definition is meant to convey, which your words often do not. This blog is not a platform to exhibit your verbal skills. Spirituality has to be experienced, not discused. Words hold no meaning and play no role when one has 'seen ' or rather taste 'truth' in its pristine form. Please do not take this as anything but constructive critcism.. We are not all knowledgable, and should have the humility to think so. One cannot know who or what the next person on the blog is within.

"Please forgive me, but I ask this question with an open heart and sincerity: can an Astrologist be a responsible journalist?"
~Skeptisch

*****
An interesting question, Skeptish. Let us see what others have to say.

In India there are many Astrologers who have written books on Astrology. I have not known any journalist who is also a professional astrologer and makes money by predicting peoples' future, and also by telling them which god to worship offering how much money for bad gathering of constellations and planets, for example Saturn, sending strange signals to people from billions of miles away! It is magic, you know! Perhaps the signals of some mysterious nature - that link consciousness to quantum physics by action at a distance in a non-Cartesian view of the world, pass through collective consciousness in quantum leaps of new age paradigm! It is beyond my understanding. But again your question did make me think.

Thanks for raising such a question that might provoke so much thought of so many learned Astrologers cum journalists. This is very absorbing subject for the mystic mind turned scientist! Indeed it is!

Do you believe in Astrology, by the way? Help is available right here at home!

Cheers
TS

PS: With apologies to those who do not agree with the views expressed here or to those who see here excessive use of Astrological thoughts and quantum views of the world in all prevailing consciousness of oneness. Skeptish, please forgive me if you do not understand what I wrote above, because I do not myself understand much, but I am beginning to understand a bit more every day reading so many blogs and comments of many well-educated and learned people here.

Understanding Astrology and Religion in their proper perspective.

The organized religions may have much nonsense in them today, yet the fact remains that the persons in whose names those religions began each had an extraordinary experience of what people in general would call God and a bit more knowledgeable 'of Oneness of the whole of Nature.'

Now, despite all the above-said nonsense in religions majority of people follow them because though they themselves cannot have the experiences of the originators they instinctively know the truth in them and so take reassurance from them of the fact that they are part of some greater whole call it God or One or Scheme of Things. I think most people would have gone insane if they had not had the benefit of such reassurances at certain difficult periods in Man's evolutionary history.

Obviously some more ripe may be able to find such reassurances from within themselves, especially in the present times, and so need not follow any religion, yet this does not negate the need of the general majority of people for them.

Now same goes for Astrology.

Like religions in general there is much nonsense in the general practice of Astrology too.

Yet Astrology too is based on the experienced knowledge of some great men of the past, according to which the universe began from some single source and is evolving as per a design or scheme of things inherent in it, so that everything in it is interconnected and every previous happening in it affects everything yet to happen.

In other words, that it is like a tree which begins from a single source of a seed, its stem will affect the next branches to come out of it, its next branches will affect the next smaller branches and ultimately leaves, fruits and all that in it.

Just as it was very difficult to exactly know what the originators of religions experienced, similarly, it is very difficult to know all the exact details of this universal scheme of things, yet a general pattern in it can be envisioned.

It is the knowledge of this design or scheme of things or of its general patterns which helped people like Nostradamus to predict things accurately to some extent.

In fact, my book Self Designed Universe is exactly about explaining this design or scheme of things or patterns. And I am sure that within the next ten years when it will be properly understood, we will be far near than even Nostradamus in predicting things to happen.

In fact, it is not so miraculous something. Can't we predict that a child will grow to be a youth which will begin to fall into loves with opposite sex and wars with the same , that then he/she will become a middle person and will accordingly follow reason more than emotions as previously and that finally he will become an old man? Basicaly similar four patterns are repeated at all system levels from the universe as a whole to any imaginable system down the line. It will then only be a matter of filling in the detals.

Someday, let the Age as a whole develop a bit further.

Harb.

Dear Harb,
A post worthy of you. I wholeheartedly agree with your thoughts. It is wrong to make generalised assumptions on the basis of a few black-sheep, in any field. I wish people could be more open minded about studying new subjects.

Cheers!
Navin

PS: Did you buy Hiran Orgoch today? You had a chance to buy it at 143 in the afternoon, it closed at 151.50

Navin, thank you.

I had bought my full quota of Hiran at 140.00. So I think it is okay.

BTW, what is the bse or nse code of Avanti feed? I could not find out.

Love. Harb.

Dear Harb,
You are welcome. The Bse code of Avanti Feeds is: 512573 It is currently quoting at very cheap (around 56-57 cmp) valuations, I would reckon it will sureshot double within a year.

Cheers!
Navin

Its very interesting Jasjit, that you would take "some one said" and "I once read" written right at the beginning of my pieces to mean that I wrote those lines. Usually when I write on this blog it is done on the spur of the moment in a lot of cases. The " home "piece appeared minutes after Gotham's piece appeared. I usually used folder or hand written journals that I have with quotations collected over the years. incidentally the line"If you so incline it can be divine" which you really liked Jasjit, is entirely mine, an original and I challenge any one of you to refute that. I think all of you rush through blogs, with several people posting and dont read things properly.
Stop and think for a minute, for any one who posts something on the net, the stupidest thing in the world will be to plagiarise..it doesnt matter if he or she is a journalist or not.
Things are indeed a click of the mouse away. Blogging is not equivalent of writing a research paper..you write on the spur of the moment which I do a lot of time..in Shekhar's case again it was a spur of the moment thing. I actually looked for specific birthday messages on the internet..to see if there was something..I think I had only 2 hours of sleep for a few days, butstayed up till midnight when I should have crashed by 10 so that I could wish him-when I couldnt find anything in the 5-10 minutes, tired as I was, I looked at my folder and saw the few lies which were not even complete, and thought those convey a nice meaning. I made it clear the first few lines are not mine.
Eventually, it boils down to this..you see what you want to see, you believe what you want to believe..The so called" gracious admission" Jagjit was right at the beginning of my post.
What would have been gracious from Ts and all of you who are sitting there beating your chest would have been to find the source and write to me and say hey listen what you quoted was written by this author. when TS wrote the name of the author of home, I thanked her and asked if there was anything else written by that person-I did not get a response from her, because she was too busy trying to trash my writing.
Incidentally why dont all of you do one thing-go to my website or even look at all the other posts I have written and find one thing which is written exactly as some one wrote and I've tried to pass it off as my own..you won't find anything..
There has indeed nothing been written that has not been written before..we just spin on the same words, sometimes we come up with seemingly original lines,out of those..home is where the heart is could have been the line that was the basis for those other lines coined by the other..if you so incline it can be divine -written by me, could be a spin off on look at the divinity within you..a sentiment expressed by other authors..again these words are mine..
can astrologers be good writers? Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was one and one of the biggest believers was
Albert Einstein.
I think all of you look deep within yourself and ask yourself what are you really doing to yourself as human beings when you indulge in something like this? I saw a very small number of detractors here making a lot of noise, and a much bigger number of supporters here standing by me. Some of you have written private emails to me on top of supporting me on this forum.
Sree, is a lawyer I have known for more than a decade. She has read pretty much everything I write.
Tanzan an for thse who use aliases, on the blog, we can see the posts by posters and which thread they came from the IP address..if legal action was taken we would know quite a lot from there..and the cops would do the rest if push came to shove.
I have been very patient with all of you, more than was necessary, but let us say I'm very disappointed by the fact that some of you cant read plain english and an obvious acknowledgement and angry at this constant accusation of plagiarism.
Jasjit half baked knowledge or information is indeeed a dangerous thing..next time skip my blogs and if you don't them or read what I wrote with exta care, so you dont become presumptious.
There will be times I will quote the source and there will be others where I may not know the source and will acknowledge it as someone said or I read or did you hear that story about?
If you read Matt Welsh's post on open thread you will see that he has written many authors and wayne dyer begin their books by long paragraphs by others..it gives you the opportunity to read other material you may or may notbe aware of.
And I think I will ask Mallika to may be get complete addresses picture ids of posters here in the future, so we know who you are.
Its shameful and cowardly to attack in disguise..so have the guts to identify yourself Tanzan and I will consider a legal action against you if you continue to make any more false accusations and allegations.
I willwait for the chopras to get back, and after that I would like Tanzan identified.

Dear Kavita,
I always enjoy what you write......this all is very upsetting...In this busy life I make time to come and read the blogs....what I get is nasty allegations about the person whose blogs i love to read...
I don't know other writers but i've met you and have always enjoyed your writings...I think for now am done with blogging...
enjoyed meeting you

Guys - this is getting too far now!

Tanzan: I have a simple policy (of course, said by someone - I dont know who!!):

"If you want to sit.. SIT... if you want to stand .. STAND.. if you want to walk.. WALK .. DONT SWAGGER!"

That has been the problem here with your responses and some others self-proclaimed scientists turned bloggers and poets! For the life of me - neither YOU nor Krish have furnished ANY CLAIM that makes YOU or HIM a better AUTHORITY on sciences than Kavita or Harb! And no matter whose DIRECT QUOTES one mentions - you both simply "trash" them by saying they are from popular books.. HECK WHO CARES!! POPULAR BOOKS MERELY QUOTED THEM.. but say them these folks DID!

NEXT time.. YOU or any of your sympathisers HAVE THE URGE to "trash" any posts as "UNSCIENTIFIC" .. have at least the BASIC BACKBONE to FORMALLY present YOUR credentials as to HOW your WORD is MORE AUTHORITATIVE than the other guys!! Short of that - what you or Krish and others present here is merely SLANDER!

Astrology that you have trashed so often with other "pseudo-scientists" is an exercise in Correlation! I mean... honestly ...what is so hard to get that?

A set of people over the centuries have found that event A and event B are correlated to a certain degree... and they have just postulated "laws" or "theorems" based on that.

Now is that a "scientific principle" ... who cares!! If Market Research is an accepted statistical and predictive discipline as is Psephology ("science of predicting election results based on statistics") - does Pranav Roy and Vinod Dua always get it right? No! But they still use that "Science" as do others! .. BOTH these - MR and Psephology - are based on "Art" of correlations and statistics - which is basically what Astrology is.. then what the heck is the problem??? I JUST DONT GET IT!!

If your objection is JUST that because it has been, btw and incidentally, mentioned in old scriptures - so BY DEFAULT it ceases to be regarded "scientific" .... then you (and your sympathisers here like Krish) are certainly NO BETTER than THOSE who advocated SATI in the 19th century as a way for widow's salvation! For, SUPERSTITION has many forms.. and BIGOTRY is one of them!

Re: the PLAGARIZING argument that is going on here - I have a simple take on it .. in law it is called as "Caveat Emptor (Buyer Beware)". Now if what you actually "BOUGHT" from Kavita's writings and THOUGHT you were "buying" was "DIFFERENT" in YOUR opinion .. is YOUR PROBLEM.. NOT hers!!

As a rule, I personally have VERY LITTLE sympathy for people who assume too much and THEN pretend VICTIMS! Just grow up .. its time enough!

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

the thing of it is though; is that; if we were ALL, to back-track; read our OWN comments; I wonder, how many of us; made us of other people's words?

As mentioned; I've seen my views re-arranged into a more articulate order; and posted too, so what I'd like to know; is WHY Tanzan, is making such waves, on a free-expression blog in the first place?

As someone mentioned; this is a place, where not all the eye's need dotting, nor t's crossed! IS there no fire-place we can cozy too; where such high, stringent expectations do not have to be carried?

I rather dislike the idea that I have to be "on guard" for every word said. I don't think; should someone quote another; they do it out of malicicious intent; maybe that wording helped them explain something important to them more adequately?

I think; judgement must be placed on legal documents; but, good grief; can we not have a more relaxed environment here; without expecting an arrow hitting our back?

Quote ME< "When I am not looking or seeking; I learn the most and find the Way."

North

Kavita....I've always believed at the Intention, the Good Intentions more than and above anything else which the other good hearted Kaveetaa was talking about. But seeing the drift...it wud be a nice idea to have another site Contentionblog.com becoz who wants to go so deep to see what the Intention is:)) People who have a flair for contention can be there with other contenders who want to cross their swords to see who is a better warrior and those with good intentions can be with their fellow beings understanding and sharing the Intentions. I know for sure what a Good Intentioned woman you are!

God bless you!

Love..Sachin

Sachinbhai:

This was a straight SIX man!! :-)

Cheers,
desh

Desh...I'm Making a movie "Aao pyaar karen". You suit for the Hero's role (if you're really into heart&affection not contention). If you're in contention....I'll take you as hero for "Kisme kithna hai Dum". So you think about it with a cool head which hero's role you want to choose and also selection of Heroine is your choice:))

Sorry Kavita....I had to get in some humor!

Payment ki baath badmein karenge Desh.LOL!
Love..Sachin

Shekhar,

I apologize to use this blog space dedicated to your birth day greetings for the following message. But I thought it was appropriate here for the sake of continuity. The contents in the following message are not directed at you.

TS

***

To whom it may concern

I would like to repeat here what I said in my earlier post on December 7,2005, 10:15 AM

"You got insinuated yourself thinking that you were very likely plagiarizing Patsy Neal. I just posted what I found. No analysis. No judgment. No comment. All your interpretations and understandings were your own stemming from your own conscience. Almost going into a temper tantrum stating you had a “helluva temper”, and calling it a disappointment. If you knew what you were doing was fair, then why this fit of anger?

I posted what I found… I write/post what I see. No hanky-panky. No nonsense. No hiding. Straightforward. Upfront…..No bones of contention. Nothing to settle. But to be fair for the sake of honesty, openness and fairness."

TS

Desh, you continue to amaze me with your ignorance. Do you understand english? You claimed that there is a link between spirituality and science. I said there is no proof to it. If you claim the link, the BURDEN OF PROOF is on you to prove. As long as you don't prove, it is sheer nonsense. Stop blabbering without understanding where the burden of proof lies. Again, do you understand english and what I am saying SO MANY TIMES. I am not even a great writer to use difficult sentences. I am putting it in the sinplest possible sentences. Do you understand them? The burden of proof is on you. As long as you don't prove it, whatever you have said is NONSENSE. Do you understand this?

I had decided not to participate in Kavita's posts. But since Desh has brought in my name here, I am forced to write here.

Kavita, maybe Tanzan, who says he's a man; is a past suitor you dropped, for obvious reason?; does his personality come through as such a possibility? IF so, bingo; you got a stalker.

Think! HE is not, who/what he says he is; now that he's hurt you--he is being all sweet--and because of you defending yourself; some have turned on you; who just two days ago; thought you brilliant.

My goodness; are people so blinded by Tanzan?

I think it's terrible to come here; use this place to maim a person's reputation; or to sell one's own book, or to sell a movie, a script, or one's-self.

wow, shameless.

North

Sorry Kavita, et al; I go too far, wrapped up in this crusade I ended up doing to help protect/defend; and appologise for defending so strongly, what I believe is a direct negative projection manifested by Tanzan on Kavita; and many others.

I am not confused, nor light-minded; and I find abusive stuff, so much like war, and mental terrorism. Only the abusers win. Ever notice that?

It is what keeps human beings, in a state of confusion; hence, nonproductive in the sense of positive manifest towards peace; so I do not understand any form/use of abuse, however minute or taken in a false sake of humour? Jesting is great, but, at who's sake?

I hope, Kavita; that this unfortunate event, will not tarnish your good name; nor more important than even your name, your self-confidence and/or self-esteem; your good heart and soul.

Let none of this, tarnish you.

Wash it away, with forgiveness.

Namaste,

North