another thing-there are tools to find out the identity of a person and where they are posting from one of the biggest internet security company is owned by a friend of mine.I wont hesitate to call him if the need arises

Dear Kavita,

I admire your honest post and your courage to be honest. I enjoy reading your posts. Thanks for sharing.

Venky

I am happy that you are taking the initiative to save intent from degenerating.

'..Walk your path with grace, even when your shoes pinch and hurt and you wish you could walk in the shoes of others. You don’t know how many holes there are in the shoes you want to vicariously walk in..'

Great one!
The world outside the monitor screen..
hhmmnn..
It's an neverending story..
'conditioned bundles of reflexes'
or: 'humanity'
in every effort put out, there are numerous
contra, whatever field..
does or will that ever change..?

;)
So that's why I love to end my little 'dialogues'
'I sue you ass!' and I mean it!
been there done that!
Scars the livin' starlights out of them!
even lawyers! those Ego's know..reputation damages..
;)
When you put the spotlight of love, honesty and integrity..very little pass that bar..;)

Anyhow,
My little prescription, three times a day, or
more if necessary, just laugh at those..
*you may fill in the spots for yourselfs ;)

Life to short, to be concerned with critics, pessimists, Ego-trips!

Love, Passion and dance!
*the funky chicken?

Jeez Kavita - This is highly uncalled for. I don't know what your relationship with the Chopras is, but if such a post had to be forthcoming, it should have come from one of them or Shekhar. And look at your tone! I do not appreciate this talking down to. As for Nandita Das - the cliche queen - she totally deserved what she got. I miss Rahul though. Please understand that all of this is highly subjective and personal and you cannot assume that you know best.

Contrast this with Mallika who goes out of her way to reassure us that all of our posts are going to be published and takes pains to explain what happened if a post doesn't show up.

Many others have made similar pleas for politeness - Aurora, Ipsita, Dulcie, Maria Luisa, LPB, Norm. None of them thought they could trample all over us in the process.

I must really have my no-drama filter on. Then again i often just scan the comments, so i should have realized it. I haven't seen much of this drama going around (thank goodeness!), but its so sad that there has to be all this talk of attorneys and not being mean. Its so sad that people need to be told these things.

This blog is a fantastic place. Wonderful writings and people (posters and commenters) and I too would absolutely hate to see it end up just a bunch of negative folks coming in here to play their games when the rest of us are trying to share with eachother out of a place of love. Writing is a creative act & you posters (and commenters as well) deserve to have a safe place to do it.

sometimes i think it would be better if there were commenter accounts so when people go all crazy, private waarnings could be issued, or they could be banned. That would take a crazy amount of coding and space though I imagine, so i doubt its a possiblity. I just hope all this can be settled before any (more?) great folks get sick of it and leave.

I'm glad you're a strong woman, Kavita & you're willing to face the problem and take care of it instead of giving up or giving in.

Love,
Ameya

kavita,
i agree with divya on this matter..i know people who post on this blog are celebrities and take their valuable time to post here..but most of the people who comment on the blog are also very polite to all the contributors and they take their time and enrich other peoples lives..

dont look down on other people ....its not ur style..

Divya, I have to run for a meeting but let me quickly say this..there is a difference between heated discussions, reactions and comments done with good taste, and in indulging in trash talk. This is my blog and my opinion, and that is why I wrote this on my blog and not one written by the Chopras.
There is also a difference between just a heated exchange of words and slander that can be potentially damaging- that is why the legal system is looking at chat rooms and blogs..
You wrote a comment on shekhar's birthday blog after just reading 10 posts then apologised because you were called on it..that is class and decency..
let me give you an example-you can call nandita a drama queen,and she wll be fine with it- but if you lied and said nandita stole something, you may face a lawsuit for slander..
now read shekhar's birthday blog in its entirety and may be you need to read some other posts to understand why I wrote what I wrote.

Preethi,
you are one of the cool ones..no plans to look down at others..simply stating what I strongly feel..but thanks for your support on the open thread.

As a new reader here, and someone who has posted on many blogs, it saddens me that Kavita has to make a post such as this. Unfortunately, it does not suprise me.

The common people have longed, fought and died for the rights of free expressions and free speech. Those who would rather denegrate this new outlet of expression instead of cherishing it seem intent on causing its destruction. I read more and more how bloggers are using this new-found power to hurt other people. Revenge, money, or whatever, the motive does not matter. It many cases it is uncalled for and hurtful.

Words can help, words can heal. Words can lift the spirit and make the impossible possible. But they can also destroy, incite violence and make innocent people cry. There are many out there who don't care, or feel that they can say whatever they want under the guise of anonymity.

Blogs are not private chat rooms, they are public forums for discussion. Imagine going to a town hall meeting with no moderator, no rules, no agenda, just a bunch of people all wanting to be heard with no concern for other people's feelings. That is what these blogs can turn into, and this is what Kavita is trying to avoid. She is not trampling over anyone, she is trying to help everyone, and I applaud her efforts. Unfortunately, some people seem to take every post personally. Kavita was posting to those who have been abusive - if you have not, then why are you offended? A single post to all is the best way to get the message across, and it's that simple.

Finally, there is a single rule that I use when posting to blogs that I try to follow as much as possible. I think that if everyone used this rule these blogs would be a much better place.

The rule is: before I click 'post' I say to myself "if these people were here in this room with me, would I say these things directly to their faces?" If I can answer that question with a yes, then I click post. If the answer is No, then I click the delete button.

I follow this rule because if you don't have the guts to say to say to someones face what you say to them in a blog, then you are a coward. And I am no coward.

EricJP

Dear Kavita....I've been harping on this since last couple of yrs(Yehi Madhoor Gaana gaatha hoon pur koi suntha nahin). Openness freedom spirituality, under this guise people freak out like hell and when I talk about watching and editing, I get answers in reverse.

I'm glad to hear some Internet laws are coming up. Good. But, I still reckon it's way too loose where people can freak out like hell, throwing whatever they want in this cyberworld...Who in the world is going to catch them unlike the physical world? This is one of the Dark, ugly side of the Net world....which as I said have been harping on. I'm thinking of writing a book titled "The pitfalls of Net communication":)) I'm not sure if it's already there, if it is...maybe they will catch me for Plagiarism:)) Sorry I'm in a humoros mood.

Kavita...I hope the Dear Chopras(Am very fond of them)take your word seriously. They didn't take mine when I voiced a similar concern under the name of spirituality. My fear, the same maybe done to you under the name of Freedom of speech. It hurts the Good tender people! I can't help but repeating the same point...becoz I see that happening again and again.

God bless!
Love..Sachin

Kavita,

No self-respecting person will digest even your first threatening line

We can't be in a school-like atmosphere once again in our lives.

Yes, some people have spoken wrongly but it would have been better if you had addressed this thread specifically to them. Or even better, if you had written privately to them that is, if you had their email addresses. Rather you had already warned them on the other thread.

Now, addressing all of us as if we are school children and you are our headmaster is simply not welcome. It will make all of us self-conscious now when writing here.

So sorry, at least I will have to leave though with a heavy heart. Wishing you and all the others here best of luck.

If anybody is interesting in interacting with me please here is my email addres:

harb_singh@yahoo.com

Harb

IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, STAY THE F OUT OF THE KITCHEN.

Sorry, I had quoted the first line but it did not appear I dont know why. Anyway here it is again and I have capitalized the word which makes it threatening or at least unacceptable.

At the onset, let me say this- I want ALL OF YOU to read this blog VERY CAREFULLY.

Kavita,

When there is something good, enlightening, and of the spirit, the dark agents / ego / Misery Loves Company will try to bring it down.

You must not let these agents get the best of you. They will try to ensnare your own ego and engage it. It is quite a lesson to endure and not the type of teacher we find delight in.

Sometimes it is best to simply ignore them, because the illusions and appearances they attempt to create and project do not really exist.

You are now attempting to use "fear" against the dark agents, which means you are now on their level of the playing field. It would seem they have engaged your ego and yanked it's strings.

I also saw your love and compassion response to the dark agents which is difficult to muster and quite an accomplishment knowing how much your ego wanted to respond differently.

Don't let the dark agents bring you down, alter your ways, impose limitations, or drive you away.

They can only present Illusions the best you can do is point them out as such and try to remain untouched.

It isn't easy, growth requires challenge.

Love & Blessings

Richard

Kavita,

I don't mean to be mean... but seriously, what did you expect? The net is the new jungle. And when a website holds a point of view, those who oppose it will flock to it and take it down. If you have political talk... buckle up. If, like Deepak, you adress emergence and concioussness, take a seat and wait for those who want to prove him wrong to show up. We call them trolls and trolls are like cockroaches. Kill one of them and ten will show up to collect.

Don't get me wrong because I agree with your arguments. But the net is filled with ASSHOLES who have nothing better to do than talk trash and piss other people off. The RIAA couldn't get rid of music downloaders and boy did they ever try. The net cannot be governed. It's the monster that feeds the other monsters.

What you could do is enable some participants with moderating duties and simply have them delete the offensing replies as they come in. The best thing to do with trolls is to not feed them. They'll starve and go away. This is your house... now own it.

And keep this place alive. I don't reply all the time but I do read everyday.

I thought one of the intents at intent was for all participants to share and grow! If you cannot take the bad with the good, how do you grow.

Divya can call Nandita names without knowing her. Let her... and suffer her own stupidity. For Nandita or anyone with a reasonable amount of self assurance, such comments are water off a duck's back!

Without censorship, Intentblog is doing pretty well. Please let it continue. And I don't know why you slipped in the comment abt xxxx no. of visitors on your website. Are you advertising here? Should that be censored?

The true test for all now will be how many will let Ego be their master. How many will engage and fall prey to Illusion and allow themselves to be ensnared.

Don't succumb to the darkness don't become a part of the ugliness.

It doesn't really exist.

As One's Self am I responding from spirit or Ego?

Don't let them dim the light.

Heh..heh. Now i'm seeing it! Goode old fashioned drama! (gag). I went through some of the other threads people keep mentioning to see what all this fuss is about. Name calling, bossing around, and random folks trying to throw their weight around. Amazing.

It makes me laugh. Well, its either laugh, or get pissed off. But I chose laughter because if I were to get pissed off or offended, it'd just be my problem. This isn't my site, I didn't get personally invited to post here and i don't pay for the domain or hosting, so I am just a visitor with the privlidge of being able to reply. Though I notice a few people who disagree with me there - apperently if we come and read other people's blogs - it gives us some kind of right over the place. ;)

So whatever, people can be rude and inconsiderate and other people can sue them. I'm just going to grab a lemonade and ignore all this bull**** going on - because its not mine. I chose to put 0 value on things that don't make me happy, and insulting and bickering does not.

Where's the love folks?

Right here, at least. Love to you all. Even if you like all this negative stuff - somebody has to, afterall, or it would dissapear all together! And who wants that? Besides most of us, i mean. ;)

Vish - I have not called Nandita names. I have only expressed my opinion of her based on her writings. On blogs we respond to what people write so please do not hide behind the "without knowing her" bogey. I am totally willing to grant that deep down somewhere there may be a decent human being in each of the bloggers. It would be nice if it would be reflected in the writings as well.

Notice carefully that you are only expressing an opinion yourself. It is not very helpful to just call someone stupid without saying what your opinion is based on. I described Nandita as the cliche queeen. Is this stupid? In what way? You have the burden, if not the mere courtesy to show why your opinion is not-stupid.

Kavita,
I read your posts as well as others quite often and infact enjoy coming to Intentblog daily. I may not respond to the posts that I read because of my own insecurity of my writing ability. I remember a story of Buddha where a visitor looks for him to try and antogonize him into losing his temper. The visitor continues to insult Buddha where as Buddha only smiles. After a few days of this same behavior, the visitor asks, "Why doesn't my insults disturb you?". Buddha replies,"If you offer me a gift and I don't accept it, then who does this gift belong to?".
I enjoy your posts and skim through the replies. Any replies that I find immature or in bad taste I skip. I would not accept those gifts, so who do they belong to now.
Also, maybe thanks to your post I will feel more comfortable posting more replies in the future.
Adam

Dear Kavita,
U have raised a genuine point of concern and as I beleive wemay not agree with someone or for that matter may not like someone , but decency and civilized interaction should never be compromised.
I hope everyone including me gives due respect to your concern.
Ispita Saha

Kavita

Thank You for revealing who you truly are. High-handed and completely out-of-line in the way you threaten and shake your finger at all who disagree.

After your rather intemperate tirade against me I had decided that silence was the only way to deal with your wrath. But I guess this is really over the top.

To all who are open-minded enough here I would like to reiterate that all I suggested in a 'very civilized' way was that a VERBATIM piece should be in inverted commas. Since I had lauded her piece assuming it to be her langauge Tanzan's reproduction of the original came as a surprise.

Literary protocol is a natural thing to be assumed by authors anyhwere and D.C manages to do in his pieces. However this one factual error when pointed out took on the most malevolent attack by not just her but others as 'slander' and 'malice' and what not.

As someone who has been on this blog for a long time I have not seen this kind of a tirade by any author even when attacked in less than 'acceptable' language.

Graciousness Kavita I am afraid seems to be the furthest from your expression as this piece has underlined. A simple " Good point. Sorry for the oversight just need to clarify to all those who thought those words were mine. They in fact were someone else's." That would have been a simple, truthful, natural response.

Instead you have misused your position to threaten, muscle-flex etc. Indeed I too am interested in knowing what the Chopras would think of this!

I guess it is time to call it a day with Intent. I for one am not here to be snarled at like a minion for holding a justified opionion.

Hi all,
I would second the views of Harb, Divya, Preethi and Vish.

Dear Kavita,
This post of yours is uncalled for and shows you in poor light. If you had anything to say to some people like TS who confronted you, you should have written to them personally. Levelling a threat to all and sundry in this patronising manner was foolish. You may think that you are already in the limelight, but I had never even heard your name before visiting this site.

I quote you: "My website receives 180,000 plus visitors every month and I know intentblog has not yet reached that stage. We scrutinize every guest book posting before it is allowed to be seen publicly, even though it’s timeconsuming." Unquote

Firstly, I do not know if this claim of yours is true and secondly shouldn't this post of yours be deleted from Intentblog for advertising your personal site?
The tone and tenor of your post insinuates that you are doing some kind of favor to the Chopras and Shekhar by writing on this site. If that is the case, then they are also indebted to every single poster on this site in a similar manner. I am sure you are regretting posting that post. You've made a tactical blunder which is called OverKill. If only you had practised what you preached and paused for a moment before pressing that Post button.

Although I do agree that some profile should be made of all posters here just like the contributors. I was perhaps the first one to have said it on this site that the photographs of all the posters should be displayed just like the contributors to create a level playing field and to discourage anonymous posts. I never liked this segregation between the so-called Contributors and the Responders in the first place. Why should the "Contributors" be given a higher chair than those given to other posters on this site?

Cheers!
Navin

Dear Jasjit,

I appreciate your thoughts. Honest, fair, upfront, without malice.

"To all who are open-minded enough here I would like to reiterate that all I suggested in a 'very civilized' way was that a VERBATIM piece should be in inverted commas. Since I had lauded her piece assuming it to be her langauge Tanzan's reproduction of the original came as a surprise."

I too have no malice towards anyone.

Cheers
Tanzan Senzaki

Ditto to Divya.

In a public forum, criticism are bound to happen. If they are unwilling to take it, they cannot write in a public forum. If people are going to control how one can comment, I wouldn't visit the blog. For me, I don't care if the bloggers are celebrities or not. As far as I am concerned, they are another joe from the street. I come here for my discussions with bloggers and other commenters. I only respect the discussion not the bloggers and commenters. The moment Intentblog brings in rules as to how one should comment, I am out. I respect intentblog because it doesn't restrict the freedom of expression. The moment it starts restricting, it will lose its identity. Probably, it is better for all bloggers in Intentblog to discuss and come to a conclusion on this. If restrictions are going to come, I want it posted on the website. Then I can decide whether it is worth spending my time here.

I want to make another note here. Myself, Navin and Desh were asked to stop our arguments from the "Open Thread" saying that we are going off the limit. We were even advised to stay on topic on another thread. But a thread about Norm turned into a discussion among astrologers and snake charmers in a language that is not common to people who visit Intentblog. I thought it was double standards. This is the reason for the minimal participation in the past few days. I call upon the blog organizers to come up with a policy and make it clear in the website. If this is not done and if everyone is going to impose their own view out here, my days in this blog are numbered.

A Quotable Quote at Intentblog

"IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, STAY THE F OUT OF THE KITCHEN."

Posted by: Sanjay at December 8, 2005 08:13 AM

I must clarify here though that I am not in disagreement with the intent/content of the message but with the tone and language to convey it. I am really sorry but it offends my sensitivities.

Hmm, I DO believe, Kavita has the right to act in this proper matter; prior to legal action, often a method such as this, is approached;

considering Tanzan had made her claims of such a severe claim targeting Kavita so publicy; which could indeed, perish Kavita's reputation; I should think that it would have been Tanzan, to FIRST, write to KAVITA or Mallika; to address issue's of possible plagerism!! IF I am not mistaken; a blog was titled for input; and an email-blog addy posted!

Furthermore; IF people are going to let their ego's and quest to be the best, smartest, etc; which is childlike on certain issue's; then perhaps a motherly-tone; NOT commander-like as suggested, was indeed warranted?

I stand with Kavita; in this public place; against how Tanzan, so maliciously has scandalized Kavita's good name! If Tanzan's intentions were of integrity; I could see it; but, her's was slanderous; and I ask again; WHY DID TANZAN, NOT APPROACH THIS ISSUE IN A PRIVATE MATTER WITH KAVITA-OR THE CHOPRA'S, ETC?

What lies here now; is no longer the issue of possible plagerism; it's become a deeper issue of Tanzan's intentions towards Kavita in Tanzan's FIRST, INITIAL claim of plagerism.

IF we do not unite against abuse; it will never be a healed, human error of behaviour, so dominant force among humankind; which seperates us from each other.

North

Secondly; why did Tanzan, choose Shekhar's BIRTHDAY SURPRISE POST by KAVITA; to throw Kavita, to this unnecessary, public slaughter?

This question needs address! Tanzan's hidden motives, are being obscured by bias opinion here!

North

Harb, the tone is how WE received it; not necessarily HOW, Kavita intended or meant it.

Please people; let's become emotional-rational before posting thoughts on this; which only serve's to continue picking Kavita apart.

Kavita is a human being, non the less; and I should think; that her ability, knowledge, or education should have nothing to do; when such a critical cause to her reputation is marring her peaceful disposition!

North

Dear Krish,

You are a keen observer. Jasjit also made a similar comment that I would like to post below.

"Thank You for revealing who you truly are. High-handed and completely out-of-line in the way you threaten and shake your finger at all who disagree."
Posted by: Jasjit at December 8, 2005 09:38 AM
talking to Kavita after Kavita's intemperate tirade against Jasjit.

I always enjoyed reading your discussions on science and on the attempts of some people, I respect for their scholarship, to link science to spirituality. I would say you are the most knowledgeable person in Quantum Physics at this site. I sometime wonder if you have a doctorate degree in the field, as one day you mentioned you learnt Quantum Physics in England where Dirac used to teach.

Cheers
Tanzan Senzaki

Thanks Tarzan, My Phd. work was on theoretical condensed matter physics. Dirac was in US after his earlier stint in UK. I am not doing Physics anymore. I have come far away from it in the last 6 years or so.

Thanks for posting Jasjit's quote. i missed it while browsing it fast.

Tanzan, I am embarassed FOR you; since you seem to have no shame.

North

WHATTTTTTTTTTT?

WHAT IS NEXT EVERYONE HAS TO WEAR A UNIFORM?

I WAS REALLY GETTING TIRED OF TOO MUCH BONDING THAT GOES ON HERE. KAVITA, YOU ARE FANTASTIC PERSON AND I LOVE YOUR WRITING BUT THIS IS JUST OUT THERE.

MMMM WHAT IS THAT WORD, OH YEAH "UNCONDITIONAL LOVE". "WHEN YOU ARE FIRMLY GROUNDED IN NON VIOLENCE ALL BEING AROUND YOU WILL CEASE TO FEEL HOSTILITY" I DONT THINK DEEPAK WAS LYING ON HIS BOOK.

Idea for a blog: How desis' celebrate Christmas around the globe: http://www.garamchai.com/christmas.htm

Well said Jasjit, as always. I am following your cue and will exit stage left.

I countered Sohaila Kapur's blog piece and had a few intelligent people concurring. She made a comment that "quantum theory has begun to prove this" referring to science and spirituality being one and the same, and I obviously questioned it for the falsity that it is. I also questioned how congregation in groups does not prove the herd mentality concept every time instead of validating Sohaila's "telepathic waves" concept. I didn't use any foul language, stuck to the topic as best as I could, and did not resort to ad hominem attacks.

I was called out for my dissension by Laurence Peter Brown. He eventually ended his comments to me with these words:

- "I pretty much realized you guys had very strong arguments and that she might not know what she was talking about."
- "The moment she decided to attack Tanzan personally instead of sticking to her point her credability was lost to me."
- "Your arguments would be much more effective if you left out anything that remotely showed that there was an undercurrent of distain for the persons lack of knowledge." [note how this directly contradicts his first point; also who is to judge "remote" undercurrents of disdain?]
- Finally, he added: "and go light on the girl. teach her instead of challenging her."

This last sentence, IMO, was the most demeaning to Sohaila on the thread. I thanked him for the feedback and let it lie. After all who can contradict the resident peace-baron?

I also implied my wincing at Sayantani's meat-eating humor (and later apologized saying I didn't mean to demean her in anyway). But I guess that can be classified as: "assaulted in cyber space with vicious and negative responses".

Is it so utterly painful to ignore comments you don't like? Just as you preach that we shouldn't bring out the negative, why react negatively to the dissent? And threatening legal action - that is the last straw. Why am I leaving - because if I continue, I'll never know when I'll be threatened with a lawsuit.

You see, if Deepak claims he can bend spoons with his mind and I vehemently disagree, I can be hauled up for slander. If an astrological talent waxes eloquent on the influence of stars, or a psychic medium talks about conversing with the departed, and I attempt to debunk it, I will be accused of libel (after all they may be 'famous' and earn their livelihood through it so tarnishing their reputation is irrepairable).

Before I sign off, I want to share something pretty interesting about negativity. Attribution: J. A. Paulos, 'Beyond Inumeracy' pp 118:

"Tellingly, three of the most significant discoveries of the 20th century take the form of impossibility statements.

Kurt Godel's incompleteness theorem states that in any axiomatic system which includes arithmetic there will always be statements that are neither provable nor disprovable within the system; i.e., it is impossible to prove within the system all the truths about the system.

In physics, Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty priciple states that it is impossible to determine exactly the position and momentum of a particle at any given time and that the product of the uncertainties in these two quantities always exceeds a certain constant. In addition to its revolutionary impact on physics, the uncertainty priciple made adherence to a strictly deterministic philosophy of science much more problematic. Unfortunately, it has also inspired many "parapsychologists." The quotes indicate my quaint conviction that practitioners of a discipline ought to have a discipline to practice. Impressed by some vague formal similarities between quantum mechanics and human behaviour -- predictive uncertainty, extreme sensitivity to observation, failure of certain logical laws, incommensurability or complementarity of "outlooks" -- these parapsychologists have given a scientific gloss to belief in telepathy, psychokinesis, and precognition without providing them any scientific substance.

Finally, economist Kenneth Arrow's theorem on "social chance functions" states that there is never a foolproof way to derive group preferences from individual preferences that can be guaranteed to satisfy certain reasonable and minimal conditions. In other words, it is impossible to design a voting system that will not in some situations evince serious shortcomings. As wit Godel and Heisenberg, an intellectual ideal had to be abandoned, this time the hope for a universal method of making social choices.

Recognizing theoretical impossibility is often a measure of intellectual sophistication. Primitive people and societies can usually solve all their problems."

Jasjit, Divya, Dara: I always enjoyed your posts and will miss you. Tanzan, I've overdosed on the poems, but if you write something serious you always have a willing ear. Krish, your views on mainstream science and links you posted were enjoyable. I found this off one of your links - enjoy: www.princeton.edu/WebMedia/ lectures/20011016randiTV7300K If any of you choose to mail me future writing that you put an effort into, I will be much obliged (cardioneuron at gmail dot com).

Thanks for the good times. Best wishes, and my apologies if I have hurt you.

North,

You are commenting on my message as YOU have received it and not necessarily as I have intended it.

And all those who think that TS is perhaps being unjustily victimized just for making some very honest comment about plagiarism and otherwise she has never used wrong words against anybody or abused anybody, here is mine and TS's comments on Open Thread blog. Tell me if TS has not clearly abused me and if this is not abuse what it is otherwise.

Here is my comment and the words are clearly used just in jest to lighten up the mood:

seems, navin
you have put zen master
to sleep
or she is zen mistress?
lol

And here is just one para from TS's message and count the abuses if you will, however, I have put them into commas for your easy reference:

That "Rustic" "Boor"

Now that "rustic" "boor" comes
Smacking his "foolish"ness
A "drunkard", a "gangster"
A guru of consciousness
...

TS

And here is again my meesage, tell me if it is not decent by any standards even though it is in reply to her above abusive message.

it is better to
look bad from outside
than be bad
from inside

it is better
to be abused
than praised, for,
then you create no new karma

a bit of harmless fun
is good
but outright low level abuse
is not

not that it makes
any difference to me
but seeing the serene wish of
kavita here, it is just not good

so thank you very much
i will not respond again
i like your poetry though
so you may carry on

Harb

I just did not like the way Kavita has conveyed the message of taking action against such abusive bloggrs otherwise I fully agree with whatever she intends to do against such abusers. I just think she should not have bonded all bloggers together.

Harb

Krish, what do you think, is this not abuse? Or perhaps my knowledge is english is not very good or is a bit old fashioned perhaps?

A.K.,

It is sad to see you go. Maybe Intentblog will get out of this storm successfully. Your presence is needed here. We cannot keep losing long time bloggers. If you think, you have an inclination to come back, I strongly request you to consider that. Thanks for the link. I will definitely be in touch with you. It was a pleasure meeting you online.

Hi Kavita,

I appreciate your comments. You know, I think what happens on these blogs is very similar to what happens to people when they get behind the wheel of a car: the lose their minds. I think in the relative anonymity of cyberspace people say things that they would NEVER consider saying in polite conversation.

I find it sad that some cannot disagree without it becoming personal or mean.

Peace,
Scott.

Harb, I thought TS was making it in jest. In fact, I took his poem only in that way. Thatz why many of us told him to continue doing it even if he criticize us. But if it has hurt you, probably he should not do it on you. TS is a great guy and I am sure he will understand your point. Having said that I feel that vicious attack on TS by many people here is a little too much. Harb, if anyone in this blog has hut you, I apologize on their behalf. I may disagree with your ideas but i would like you to stay put. Please stay back and we can continue having our clash of ideas :-).

There is a typo. it should be hurt not hut.

Appologies Harb; I really read it as you chastising Kavita; and I was defending her(blush.)

I find a bitter taste with Tanzan's actions such as these, that she gets away with, under the disguise of applauded entertainment for the "bored ones."

I have asked Tanzan her intention of this action for two days; with NO response.

IT is important to know why Tanzan purposely set OUT, to destroy Kavita!

And you cowards leaving; only add to Tanzan's power.

IF she had tossed the accusation at one of you; damn right you would be reacting the same was as Kavita; don't deny yourselve's that truth, at least?

North

A.K., the link didn't work for me. If you read it post it again. if not, I will dig it up. Thanks.

Gosh, has anyone taken a moment; to see, that perhaps Tanzan's motive!!!! was to damage this blog, using Kavita?

After all, Tanzan did show UP after this blog was posted global-wide?

Did she apply for a job and was refused, with one of you? Comeon, there is MORE here; than is meeting our eye; and we should be getting to the bottom of it!

IF that is NOT freedom; what is?

hello, people, wake up; don't run..stay and fight for the freedom of peace here! NOT feed the freedom to destroy.

North

Hello Kavita, everyone.

I see a lot of people whose feelings have been hurt. Everyone involved in this conflict is very sincere, you are actually all seeing the situation differently and feel that you have been treated unfairly.

The challenge, the adventure, the miracle, would be to not just act as you are used to in conflict situations, but try something new - solving it. You surely already know in what way people become enemies, we all know, and I guess we're all really bored with the pattern by now. The exciting challenge would be to forget these old ways and find out what happens if you really intend to solve a conflict. It would be a miracle. It might actually work.

Hey, if anyone should like to try it, just for the fun and magic of experimenting, here is something from Deepak's peacemaker's website that I've found very helpful:

9 Principles for Conflict Resolution and Peace Negotiations as follows:

1. Agree that you will treat each other respectfully.

2. Recognize each side feels victimized by a sense of injustice.

3. Be ready to forgive and ask for forgiveness.

4. Refrain from belligerence.

5. Practice emotional intelligence.

6. Recognize that the other side may have values different
from yours or foreign to you.

7. Don't make the other side appear wrong.

8. Refrain from bringing in discussions about ideology.

9. Recognize fear as a factor on both sides.

It is the passion flowing right on through your veins
And it's the feeling that you're oh so glad you came
It is the moment you remember you're alive
It is the air you breathe, the element, the fire
It is that flower that you took the time to smell
It is the power that you know you got as well
It is the fear inside that you can overcome
This is the orchestra, the rhythm and the drum

Com uma forca, com uma forca
Com uma forca que ninguem pode parar
Com uma forca, com uma forca
Com uma fome que ninguem pode matar

It is the soundtrack of your ever-flowing life
It is the wind beneath your feet that makes you fly
It is the beautiful game that you choose to play
When you step out into the world to start your day
You show your face and take it in and scream and pray
You're gonna win it for yourself and us today
It is the gold, the green, the yellow and the grey
The red and sweat and tears, the love you go. Hey!

Nelly Furtado - Forca!

With Love, don't let the negativity put you down,
Passion!!

Good timing, Aurora(big hug!)

North

Good choice, Marek!

North

Hugs coming back to you, North :)

Marek, it's so true... these people are truly passionate, it's beautiful. Imagine what that passion can do for this world!

I have a deep respect for Dr. Chopra which is why I come to this site. I do not comment often, but enjoy reading the diverse thoughts presented here. Normally, the tones are civilized. I don't know the whole of what happened, and I'm at a point in my life where it's usually easy for me to see both sides of a situation.

A couple of times in the past I have responded at other blog sites only to be embarrassed after further perusal at the negativity of the site. Needless to say, I have not returned. So, I understand Kavita's desire to maintain a certain level of decorum. Did she go about it the right way? Maybe not. Do any of us hold up well under thorough examination? I think not.

I like what someone posted earlier - "would I say it to the person's face if we were in the same room?" A very good way to judge your own response. And the story of Buddha's gift is an excellent reminder to us all. Richard Thomas has spoken well on this. And I have to believe that a site like 'Intent' can never be overthrown by any amount of negativity. We can not fear a little Darkness in a room filled with Light.

Peace, Rita

Merci in buckets, Aurora!

Here's one for YOU, Marek(big hug.)

Ok, i"m outta here..no applause, please!

MY arm-pain is taking over my sense's from typing too much these past days...gotta please it and rest!

Aurora; healing reike for my arm would be appreciated, here's the details if you would:

Left shoulder: 4 pulled muscles, torn tendon, damaged rotto cuff

Left elbow: exposed nerve

I keep using it for everything; to the point of exhaustion of late with the pain, and lack of good sleep.

Can you help me, doll?(doll, is buttery I know, I'm desperate though.)

this injury is two years old already; then re-injured early October,,,please, I beg...I've tried everything possible; even meditation, etc...willing it better,,,,,,whahhhh....

North

Dear A.K.,

Perhaps you would never know how much I enjoyed reading your above comment and how much I learned from you, Kurt Godel's incompleteness theorem, Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and Kenneth Arrow's theorem. I wonder how many people at this would appreciate what you are saying here.

I came across you and Krish, I believe for the first time, while discussing Sohaila Kapoor's blog. I would read every word Krish and you would write and then rush to the links you guys posted to learn more. What a wonderful experience it has been. I got hooked to Intentblog. I also enjoyed reading comments of those who had a different view of the workings of this world.

Now sadly, by exposing someone's writings did not pass the test of literary transparency - a term I learned yesterday from Jasjit - I am being threatened for legal actions. I hope this does not go this nasty path and when Deepak Chopra and Shekhar clearly see what is happening here, the sense will prevail at the Intentblog. You and others will not say good bye and stick around here. It is so much fun to engage in discussions here and to learn from each other. Occasionally I might have been, without realising, somewhat bold in putting forth my views in verse or prose, but I meant no harm, whatsoever, ever to anybody. If the things take a nasty turn, well, what can I say!

You seem to be a well read and a learned person and I respect your scholarship. In your email address I see the word 'cardiosurgeon'. Are you a cardiosuregon? So much diverse knowledge and so much skill! I rarely come across people like you.

Well about my poetry. I am not a poet. I just love writing some verses when inspired and other times translating poetry and loving the poetic expressions. They touch my heart. If I am allowed to stay at this site, I will continue posting my poetry in the Open Thread. And if I have to pack and leave, I will send you some link where you can access my poetry.

It has really been my pleasure interacting with you, however little.

Cheers
Tanzan Senzaki

Grouphug, girls..;)
love back at ya!,

When the going gets tough..
the .. gets going,
Billy Ocean

A: love
B: passion
C: google..;)
D: isn't life just like the sandbox,
...in kindergarten?

;)
Positivity is not about being soft,
it's about being smart,
New Kids On The Block
(you gotta love in-spirit?or Ego-ional quotes ;)

A.K. - You came to my rescue at a time when I needed it most and you will always be dear to me for that reason.

I too feel surprised at the manner in which people come down really hard on some bloggers for saying things that are mildly negative while others who are much more offensive get completely off the hook. I think it is important to defend oneself in such situations.

Jasjit - I have learned from you and hope to hear more of your views. The same comment I made to AK above holds in your case too. I am truly surprised that people came down so hard on you for your genuine, honest and very relavent question.

In the course of participating in blogs I have figured out that what works best for me is to stay away from blogs that hold no appeal for me. Unless of course people are misrepresenting issues that are meaningful to me.

I hope we will continue to have your participation on this blog. It helps to take a break and go into lurker mode for a while.

Hi All,

I think there should be no harm in allowing everybody freedom but first confirming each's real identity and allowing posting only under real identity.

Harb.

"TS is a great guy and I am sure he will understand your point."
~Krish

****

Krish,

I am fallible and mortal like any one of us here.
I am no greater than Navin, Harb or yourself - perhaps much less praiseworthy and more detestable
in the eyes of many here.

****

Dear Harb,

I apologise to you if I hurt your feelings. You are a nice person and I hope you will accept my apology. I wrote in jest. You took it the other way. I am sorry If I went overboard to use some words in my verses.

I remember having enjoyed that rasgulla -an Indian sweet - joke with you a few weeks ago. Unfortunately, it so happened Navin and you seem to have drifted away. If we do not disagree with each other on our myriad views of this world, it does nor mean we are not friends. But I do agree, sometime the heated discussions go to far, and people feel they are being slighted. My apologies again.

Cheers
Tanzan Senzaki

Hi Kavita,

I generally feel the same way that you do about the level of aggressiveness in some of the replies, yet I also agree with others that restrictions are not fitting in a blog environment.

Verbal aggression is looking for validation, and, failing that, attention. Validation provides peace, but only when the validation is warranted. Otherwise, silence provides peace.

But the false charges you've been dealing with are not the same as arguments and verbal aggression (though those who make such charges wrap them in verbal aggression). Such charges must be handled with different tactics, because it's unfortunate, but true, that unless false charges are countered with the truth, they spread like wildfire, particularly over the web.

Someone lied about me at work, this past summer. My case was simple, with one liar, one lie, and one person lied to. Because the damage was limited to one person, it wasn't too hard to refute the lie. Yet, though it was simple, it took me half a day to clear myself.

You're dealing with something potentially much more damaging. When a lie gets out of control on the web, it's very hard to counter, and the damage may spread.

I admire your speedy response in protecting your reputation.

Namaste & cheers, Heather

TS,

Thank you, all is well that ends well. The matter ends as for as I am concerned. I never mind people disagreeing with me, even never mind people using a few 'bold' words for me but yet the things somehow drifted. Anyway, okay I am ready to share a garma garm gulam jamun with you.

Good night everbody.

This much rola rappa has served a purpose for me. I just joined Neale Donald Walsh's blog as well and it seems discussing my book there will prove quite useful.

Harb.

People..let it go..
letting go..
(that's a chapter from 'The Path to Love')
(my favorite! what's yours? ;)

Anyhow, back to the topic,

do we organise this Spiritual-Bar-Intent what was? -and all Blog thing or what?

Article 1. Thy shall not Spamm..unless..

it contributes to:
1. joy, lightheartedness and/or laughter?
2. info and/or edu -tainement?
3. caring?

Article 2. Thy shall restain from vicious
pseudo-intellectual Ego assaults on fellow Bloggers

Atricle 3. Thy shall...

Whatcha all think?
Spamm your in-Spirit suggestions here!

Love,
Na Zdrowie! (I drink on your good health), because, in Poland we drink and sing..with friends..;)

Dear North, of course I'll send you Reiki, maybe there are others here who would like to join. If it's okay with you, let's make it every day for a week, at this time. If you can, just lie down for twenty minutes, and feel your body. I'll start right away.

'Dear North, of course I'll send you Reiki, maybe there are others here who would like to join..'
Aurora Carlson

Hey babe, love to join in, though got my second Usui initiation, so long ago, I'm rusty,

but I'm (t)here in-Spirit!,
(and I'm not talking 'bout the Wodka ;)

Love,

Harb,

I am so pleased you have accepted my friendship.
Last time I believe it was Jasjit - I maybe mistaken - who shared a garam garam gulab jamun (an Indian sweetmeat made of cheese and flour and dipped into hot sugar syrup; yummy, yummy, so yummy!) and I was left out!

Let's this time, your buddy Navin, you and myself all have a garam garam gulab jamun together. Please say my hello to him. I harbor no ill feelings against anybody.

Cheers
TS

shame on me for gettin' my Reiki get rusted..

Oh shame, shame, shame
Shame on you
If you can’t dance too
And I said
Shame, shame, shame, shame
Shame, shame, shame
Shame on you
If you can’t dance too

Don’t stop the motion
If you got the notion
You can’t stop the groove
Cause you just don’t move
I got my sunroof down
Got my diamond in the back
Put on your shakin' wiggle woman
I ain’t never gonna come on back

Shame, shame, shame
Shame, shame, shame, shame
Shame on you
Woh if you can’t dance too
And I said
Shame, shame, shame
Shame, shame, shame, shame
Shame on you
If you can’t dance too, ah

If you don’t want to go
Remember what money
Don't stop the show
My body needs action
And I ain’t gonna blow it
Oh yes, I’m going out
And find a dancin’ man
If you really think
You’re fast enough
Try to catch me if you can

Shame, shame, shame
Shame, shame, shame, shame
Shame on you
If you can’t dance too
And I said
Shame, shame, shame
Shame, shame, shame, shame
Shame on you
If you can’t dance too

http://www.izabella-scorupco.com/

Love, Passion and good spiritual vibes

here, for the rest, some in-spirit-ional sites,
check 'em out, good for you!
instead of bickering amongst each other..;)

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Reiki_Healing/id/34883

http://www.reiki.org/

http://www.reiki.pl/

;)

Dear Kavita,

For you, babe, with love ;)

"I learned long ago never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
- George Bernard Shaw

"You don't know anything about a woman until you meet her in court."
- Norman Mailer

"A gentleman is a man who can play the accordion but doesn't."
- Unknown

"A horse walks into a bar and orders a beer. The bartender draws the beer, looks at him, and says: "Why the long face?""
- Joke

An Irishman walks into a bar with a pig under his arm.
"Where'd you get him?" asks the bartender.
"Won him in a raffle," says the pig.
- Joke

;)

Hi Kavita,
I read all of your blogs and I think all of your blogs are really very very interesting and insightful.
Though I disagree on most of your political blogs however I respect your point of view.
Now I think all this trash talk topic started after somebody pointed out you plagiarize content from other writer.
I am not judging you and I trust your originality. However why you are reacting to some crap.I mean you are professional writer you do not need to react like the way you did.
I hope you will continue posting blogs on good topics and being proud republican I may not agree with you.
Keep Good work continue

Jignesh

Some Wisdom Here - A.K. saying goodbye to Intentblog

"Is it so utterly painful to ignore comments you don't like? Just as you preach that we shouldn't bring out the negative, why react negatively to the dissent? And threatening legal action - that is the last straw. Why am I leaving - because if I continue, I'll never know when I'll be threatened with a lawsuit."

Posted by: A.K. at December 8, 2005 11:12 AM

In a previous thread about sex ratios when i thanked kavita for posting such a topic becoz it helped me find out new things about sex determination during birth, she pointed out to me that it was not her idea but of her friend's which she thought necessary to post on intentblog to guage our reactions and comments.

i think this very action of hers to refer back to the original thought ( which i had overlooked ) qualifies her as someone with integrity enough.

I frankly dont think she indulges in pliagarism. and i suspect most of us also have that opinion.

i think she is a talented and original writer.

but Kavita, ur present post is strongly worded and very unnecessary. it blowed a personal issue into a full fledged blog battle, what with posters like Divya, Jasjit, Harb etc (whose posts i enjoy a lot) losing interest.

I think these people are indespensible, for their posts are very intelligent and thought provoking.

i think u should have addressed the post very specifically and very privately to anyone whom u feel has wrongly accused u, instead of making it a common read to everyone who visits the blog. by not doing such, a bad taste is left and reactions are bound to follow for most of the commenters in this blog are civilised and well to do in their own respective fields of life.

i enjoy the variety of discussions that take place in this blog , right from the serious to the funny. my personal fav is mallika's open thread which invariably pops up every wednesday, with a smiling photo of hers.

i think her smile defines how we all should view each other on this blog. with interest and affection.

and leave all unpleasant things for private indulgence.

Tanzan,

I am relatively new to this blog site , been around for over a couple of weeks. I have seen many of your comments, and they seemed intersting, witty and insightful.

However, the comment you made on Kavitha's post seemed queerly inappropriate and off-context , because , for one she does mention that it was someone else's quote and two, she was conyeing a point on Shekar's birthday. It was irrelevant what the source of her idea was, the important thing was the spirit behind that prose and what she was trying to convey.

Peace!

Dear Bloggers,
sometimes in Neverland, every now and then, it just happens, that one of The Lost Boys,
says something, he (or she.."Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition." Timothy Leary)

stupid..no really! it happens!
even in the Kingdom of the Netherlands,
the Argentinian Princess Maxima had to step in,
because Prins willem Alexander..

Just made a blooper! nothing more than that!
let it go pleople!

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
- Sigmund Freud

"How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg."
- Abraham Lincoln

"I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; that 2 are called a law firm; and that 3 or more become a Congress."
- President John Adams

"Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad."
- Aldus Huxley

"What do you take me for, an idiot?"
- Charles DeGaulle, asked by a journalist if he was happy.

"An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made in a very narrow field."
- Niels Bohr

"You can't be a Real Country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer."
- Frank Zappa

"I believe in equality. Equality for everybody. No matter how stupid they are or how superior I am to them."
- Steve Martin

"There are times not to flirt. When you're sick. When you're with children. When you're on the witness stand."
- Joyce Jillson

"Two hundred years from now, they'll probably go, 'and that's why we always castrate the presidents when they get elected.'"
- John Hockenberry , commentator on impact of Lewinsky scandal

"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies."
- Mike Royko

"USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean 'idiot.'"
- Dave Barry

"The physical world is a wonderful medium, and it's not going to go away."
- Jeff Bezos , CEO of Amazon.com

Tinkbell, giving Matt Welsh a two thumps up for
his contribution on another Blog called 'Forgive-ness'

Great one Matt! we love you in Neverland!

"I have seen many of your comments, and they seemed intersting, witty and insightful."

Posted by: santosh at December 8, 2005 01:42 PM

*****

Santosh,

I read your comment with interest. Thanks.
I harbour no ill will against anybody. I feel sorry it happened on Shekhar's birthday. But again, as any Astrologer will tell you, the constellation of planets govern good as well as bad things to happen. I am such an unlucky guy to be caught up at the wrong time, at the wrong place -as they say - in all this mess.

I hope we will have the opportunity to interact further at Intentblog, when the dust settles down.

Welcome to Intentblog. You will find many interesting people with diverse opinions. It is fun to read what they say, and sometime interact with them. I have picked up so many things about science and spirituality in the few weeks I have been here. And you know, it is all free. No need to buy books or CD's. The interesting thing is so many minds are interacting with each other at the same time. As if you are reading so many authors at the same time - unlike reading a book. I think Deepak and Shekhar have done a wonderful thing to open this site to the public. I see so much energy here.

Cheers
TS

TS,

LOL Cheers to That ! Look forward to interactig on the intentblog.

Hope the planetary posistions align for better space soon!

Peace!

I don't post often but I would appreciate it if any of this applies to me someone would notify me. I'm not as 'sweet' as I used to be and sometimes I don't know how I am percieved (for example the Coke A Cola thread), so I don't post anywhere like I used to.

I think the incusion of real emails would be nice. Some blogs have the inclusion of actual steps to prevent computers from posting.

Kavita,

I am surprised that you wrote such a harsh blog. I thought most contributors here are a little spiritual that they will be immune to personal criticism. We need to overcome ego. It is ok if someone says something slanderous and you can always rebut it, but there is no need for legal action etc etc. Hope you will not take me to court for saying this :).

Peace.

Ravi

Kavita,

My thoughts-

I think the breaking point was when someone pointed out that couple of sentences in your post might have been plagiarized, well it could have been an oversight on your part and a definitely a mistake on Tanzan Senzaki part he/she should have clarified the concerns with you personally.

Your integrity as a writer was challenged, your ego hurt…what ever might be the case…we all feel sorry for you.

English is a subjective language; as a matter of fact every language is subjective and open to various interpretations.

I could have very well taken your post personally and said:

Ohhh...l'll miss Chhibber could not take the heat….or is it one of your self promotion tactics...or r u plain bored....what ever the reason this wasn't called for….
not form a person who claims (and I do believe you) to have 180000 hits/visits a month on her site, a distinguished international writer with a radio talk show or something lined up and many many other achievements....

Accepted that you and all other contributors on this blog are very well know folks (some of them even celebrities). But that does not give u a right to lookdown upon others. None of us who spend at least an hr or so every day on this blog are not stupid people wanting to kill time. For that the internet is full of P***. (What the heck…PORN)

All that said, as Divya pointed out this post wasn’t called for….if you have personal grievances or you feel offended grow up be mature enough to either dust if off or as ppl say ‘be a man/women’ to settle the score one on one, but do not degrade the entire community.

Thankx to your post I am sure many people who visit this blog will think more twice before returning.

And, I am soooo afraid as one of your friends own a security company …I am gonna go and hide….but I am sure he/she will eventually find me, so you know what, I will make their life easy,
My name is Ankur Patel
I live in providence, RI and you can mail me at ankipatel@gmail.com.

All said and done ...HAPPY HOLIDAY'S

oops...
"None of us who spend at least an hr or so every day on this blog are not stupid people wanting to kill time"

replace with
"None of us who spend at least an hr or so every day on this blog are stupid people wanting to kill time"

Sorry if I offended anybody...

Thanks every body, for all the comments. This was an interesting post to write because of the reactions. Firstly every one thought I was angry. On the contrary, it was a very matter of fact post but addressing some crucial things here.
I noticed one very important thing-the responses came very fast-which means, all of you wrote from the heart, which is great, but without giving the content as much thought as you should have.
This raises two points-people don’t take time to think and mull over what is written-really think. So then you respond very quickly to whatever part of the phrases that struck home.
People who agreed obviously have no problem with what I said, or a problem with being identified. People who protested had several reasons-some got offended at what they perceived to be the high handed tone of my blog, others felt a little guilt because they had indeed not been civil to some other blogger and gave explanations oh well I said this and that to someone but I didn’t mean it that way or he/she probably didn’t mean it that way.
I am going to comment on your posts at length because of the time and effort you have put and not necessarily in the order you have written. Thank you for taking the time.

Marek, you are amazing. I read through your first post and said wow..beautiful, apt..and kept smiling and saying wow at every darned thing. You are amazing! Ameya, Sachin, Andaleeb, Venky, Desh, Matt, Richard, Ispita, heather, Adam thank you- Adam you have your own special gifts and you will find them-one of them could be writing. Jaliel and Arjunan, your posts made me laugh..you are both one of a kind. Vish, no the numbers were not an ad..since my site is a free site and doesn’t get me anything from the ad, plus you know I’m linked anyways. My point was intentblog is in its infancy.. almost 6 month old, and if I could have emails and guest books signings filtered, I’m sure we can do it here. Chopra.com I’m sure gets millions of hits daily..
Eric made a very valid point as did Sree, and to quote Eric “Blogs are not private chat rooms, they are public forums for discussion. Imagine going to a town hall meeting with no moderator, no rules, no agenda, just a bunch of people all wanting to be heard with no concern for other people's feelings. That is what these blogs can turn into... Unfortunately, some people seem to take every post personally. Kavita was posting to those who have been abusive - if you have not, then why are you offended?” Indeed for those who have done nothing wrong why are you offended? The rule is: before I click 'post' I say to myself "if these people were here in this room with me, would I say these things directly to their faces?" If I can answer that question with a yes, then I click post. If the answer is No, then I click the delete button.
I follow this rule because if you don't have the guts to say to say to someone’s face what you say to them in a blog, then you are a coward.” Amen to that
Harb ji, you are an amazing man and I have an utmost admiration for your work. The post was intended for those who know they have crossed the lines. I don’t want to give them undue importance by naming them, but they know who they are. I will not write to them in private because they chose an open forum to malign. I know you have a big heart and understanding. Tell me this, if someone called you a murderer or a wife beater in public, something you were not, would you chastise them in private? I know you will be fair. Thank you for agreeing with me and I apologize if my tone offended you. It was not an angry tone but a strong one asking you all to please read what I had to say. It got your attention and I’m glad for that. And please forgive me-you are our revered elder here(not old just elder!)
Divya, you know I like you-for all your blunt critiquing, the cutes thing about you is your reading something half way then commenting then back tracking, but I have never seen an iota of malice in you, and you have always had the grace to back off if need be. Plus your knowledge about so many things is amazing. You may not like my tone, but again one sees it as one perceives it.
For all of you, who feel the objection should have come from the chopras, I remember Mallika requesting that people remain courteous, but it came to nothing. Incidentally all of us can delete posts we don’t like from our blogs. I have never done it and I doubt any one else has either. So its all the more reason for you to seriously think, if we offer you the courtesy of good faith, should return that trust with some courtesy of your own?

Jasjit, firstly I must apologies to you for inadvertently hurting your feeling. I don’t know you , but I absolutely love you writing, please do forgive me, hurting you were the last thing on my mind. The point I raised to you was that I was surprised when at the beginning of the post I mentioned clearly “ someone said” that you would mistake it to be anything other than me quoting someone else..” I have already had two attorneys look at this, and it is a very clear cut case.
Now I also have to share one more thing, and maybe I will have Alex take a look at it. I have tried to put quotes even try to explain in italics but when I paste it, it reverts back into a non italicized version. I have also had problem with putting inverted commas in my writings. it changes shape. Has any one noticed that? Again Jasjit, you are accusing me of the very thing Tanzania has done-check the threatening tone. and you choose to endorse the very thing in Tanzania that you are accusing me of. If you re read my post objectively you will notice , my tone is of surprise and not of high handiness. Sorry buddy: you are a special girl and I needed to make sure I addressed this.

Navix I have explained the reason for mentioning the numbers. The tone and tenor of my post as doing a favor to the Chopras is your perception. I will be by the way happy to send you the numbers if you are interested. I have your email address. Thank you for agreeing with me on the other points, and I think you are awesome. Guys Navix went out of the way to help my friend out by helping her with stuff she was concerned about. thanks.
Kris, you raised some very key points. Firstly that the celebrities on the blog are just another Joe from the street for you. The fact is all of us are Joes and Janes from the street, and we also come to the blog to share thoughts with each other, and like all the joes and janes we have a heart, and feelings. I understand about your annoyance when you were asked to not discuss stuff. You, Desh, Navin are all super guys. I see tremendous knowledge, a great sense of humor, and also the ability to forgive and forget and I could not stop appreciating your thoughtfulness at honoring my request. Thank you again. No one is telling you how to write on the blog guys, but what have disappointed me are personal attacks. someone wrote that I was not a nice person. I laughed at that. how do you know that? Sometimes the most poisonous arrows are hidden in sugar coated sheaths.
If all of you get upset when there are personal attacks on you and Kris will agree with me there, since he wrote to me when the baiting continued with him and Desh I think, then do you expect us not to be disappointed or offended. Hey we are as human as you all.
A.K. that was an awesome post as usual, and my question is to you..what if someone accused you of something that is slanderous and punishable by law. What if I went on a public forum and said A.K is a thief. Or A.K brutalized someone..would you ignore my post?
Aachi, Jignesh thanks, Santosh thanks.

I see a distinct change in Tanzan’s tone, it is suddenly more polite. Tanzan you were doing so well, but you messed up big time -and I would still like you to come forward and identify yourself if you have the guts. I already have your Ip thread info; all the bloggers can see the email addresses and ip threads where the email has been generated. You can run from one computer to another but you cant change your city of residence that fast you know. I would like you to email me unless you want me to do it. I would like to speak with you. If you are not afraid, if you are not guilty then I think you should have no problem getting in touch with me.
I have absolutely no problem with you criticizing me, which you have done, and I spent an inordinate amount of time explaining your accusations of plagiarism with humor, with patience, but you continued to rant. Plagiarism for a writer who tries his or her best maintain integrity is equal to being accused of a heinous crime, and I really will not stand for that.
I hope that you will focus your energies on the good that is in you, the talent that you have as a poet, and while I have no problems with criticism, or questions, I have a major issue with character assassination and yes the law is pretty stringent here and internet technology pretty advanced. That is how people using the internet for insidious purposes are nabbed.

North, you are one of a kind. Thank you for taking so much time and trouble to stand up for someone you have not even met, but I hope to see you in Canada soon as I visit Michigan often. Kaveetaa, thank you again for all your love and support. Sachin, for your touching email.
When I first asked you all why are you here as part of the article I’m working on, the two key answers were..we love Deepak chopra, and this blog is different from the rest. The main purpose for this wake up call from me was to remind you, that no matter what you say, this is a cyber family now.. argue and fight with restraint, love abundantly and nurture this beautiful baby that you’ve created together into a unique persona. I know we all can do it if we try.
Its time to get back to work, if I missed any one sorry, and I hope all of you will think about what I have written before responding.

Quoting Ravi

"We need to overcome ego.
....Hope you will not take me to court for saying this :)."

Posted by: Ravi Kulkarni at December 8, 2005 02:33 PM

Thank you for sharing your wisdom and love Aurora. I had a desire to comment, but didn't know how to in a positive light. I read this post only because Gotham commented about it and I immediately became sick to my stomach. I can understand both sides and you are right in your advice, as we all need to see each other in the light of love and just maybe we can create the peace that we all desire. Yes, it can hurt, but the payoff is priceless. Love, Char

Tanzan get in touch with me if you have the courage.if you dont then we all know the reason for it kavita@kavitachhibber.com

Pssst...Tanzan..

Just say you're sorry..

are you from another planet or what..?

maybe some flowers..

(girls love that kind of thing.;)

lift(s) her Spirit..;)

With,
Pixiedust,
called,
Love,
Peace,
Or is T(h)ink from Neverland?

aww tinker bell that is so sweet.
I'm not angry at Tanzan, just disappointed. I will like to talk to her

sorry for the spelling mistakes on navin's name and some other typos..I dont even have an x on my keyboard next to N, but weirdly on posting this the N became an X.
Also the comment about italics changing has happened even when I post responses..has any one else had that happened..the inverted commas, apostophes change when I post on the blog from my account..I think I saw that with some other bloggers..
Okay guys that's it for today..have been up since 6 a.m. after sleeping at 2..what's new..I will have some respite after the 20th.
take care all of you and enjoy the rest of the evening..I need my cup of tea..

"Tanzan get in touch with me if you have the courage.if you dont then we all know the reason for it kavita@kavitachhibber.com"

Isn't this yet another threat? I am just sharing the sentiments of A.K. and leave this blog till we get to speak our minds out. I am not justifying Tarzan's action. But threats are not good too. I am walking off this site till Chopras and Shekhars make a decision about threats. Just to be frank. I really didn't expect this from you.

You didnt read my top post Krish? The fact is when there were fake users of your name you got in touch with me, as someone insinuated you were behind it. You could have ignored it. If Tanzan has nothing to hide, like you she/he should come forward and get in touch..lets not have double standards here my dear.and not presume and put words that are not there. we are responsible for our actions right? You were pretty offended when all that happened I remember.

Please read my post to Tinker bell, in case you start looking at the other post. Iam not angry with Tanzan, I would just like her to get in touch with me. It is an offline option so we dont drag this nay more and move to more pleasant things and chill out

Also where did you read the threat? It was a very matter of fact statement again. Guess you are sensitive today..dont be

These are just some general, personal, subjective thoughts:

1. Why should identity be an issue? I have no intentions of revealing my identity and I do not consider myself a coward in any way. I would prefer it though if we had identifiable email addresses, even if they are anonymous.

2. I think a blog should consist of original writings. Gotham and Mallika are great at this. I find them so fresh and unassuming even if I do not agree with what they say. It is not very interesting when bloggers reproduce sappy emails or rely heavily on quotations. I know poor Nandita keeps saying that she finds it hard to express herself so she comes up with emails and stuff, but a journalist shouldn't have to do that.

3. I do not agree with the suggestion that conversations that take place on a public forum such as this should be expected to move off to someone's personal blog. I was once asked to do that and of course I didn't, so in a later blog I was held accountable for that. I think whoever wants to thrash anything out should do so on this very forum or not at all. This is where we have chosen to come and it should be a matter of personal choice if we want to communicate privately with anyone.

tut, tut..,

When you find yourself reacting with anger or opposition to any person or circumstance, realize that you are only struggling with yourself.

Attune yourself to spirit, and it will speak to you in love.

Spirit isn’t a phenomenon; it is the whispered truth within a phenomenon. As such, spirit is gentle, it persuades by the softest touch. The messages never get louder, only clearer. If you have the slightest hint of communication from spirit, ask for clarification; look at the preceding list if you need to. At first the links to spirit may seem tenuous and fragile, but as you grow more confident you will find that your life is full of meaning, that every moment has an aspect that goes beyond if you have the vision to find it.

the exerpt is from The Path to Love

Dr. Chopra's ten steps to happiness:

(1) Listen to your body's wisdom.
(2) Live in the present, for it is the only moment you have.
(3) Take time to be silent, to meditate.
(4) Relinquish your need for external approval.
(5) When you find yourself reacting with anger or opposition to any person or circumstance, realize that you are only struggling with yourself.
Know that the world "out there" reflects your reality "in here."
(7) Shed the burden of judgement.
(8) Don't contaminate your body with toxins, either food, drink, or toxic emotions.
(9) Replace fear-motivated behavior with love-motivated behavior.
(10) Understand that the physical world is just a mirror of a deeper intelligence.

May the Force (of love) be with you!
Yoda, from Star..make Love, not wars..;)

Hey gotham and mallika,

I was and is supoorting Kavita for her blog.
is it necessary to react this way she is reacting,I mean I show some people in other blogs used F word, still author of blog never react the way she is reacting..Or may be I am wrong…

And Divya , originality is subjective however I would say there are lots of topic on this blog are from news from moveon.org or some liberal media and you would see lots of my thoughts and arguments similar to point of view expressed in conservative radio show or conservative magazines..Wel all have some source of information and then we will form our opinions based on this. May be Kavita thought that original birthday message is good enough to share with us.

Wow. It's difficult to know how to respond to all of this. I visit Intentblog daily, but generally do not comment. I have been trying to figure out what is really going on here. Is it meant to be a love-in, where folks write a blog entry soliciting comments because someone else's post received more comments than theirs? A glorified fan club? Busy people indeed. Is it a place for celebrities to plug their wares (eg Paheli, no offense to Shah Rukh Khan since it seems we must be careful)? I must admit my cynicism stems from the exclusiveness of the contributors list. Exlusivity makes me uncomfortable in all of its forms. And it seems hypocritical given the content of many of the posts regarding spirituality. Do non-celebreties and non-Indians have less to offer as potential contributors? Or are they worthy enough only to comment? I confess that I don't really know what I think, which is why I have been silent till now. But reading the post on which we are all commenting, I am even less comfortable than before with the underlying intent of Intent blog. Many of us are busy and make important contributions to our family, friends, communities and discipline- though we may not be financially remunerated or publicly recognized in the same way that many of the contributors are. I didn't read the post and comments that inspired Ms. Chhibber's entry. I don't know how inclined I am to read much more here. It's just not as uplifting or inspiring as I expected it to be. Just my two cents.

I feel, the fact Tanzan, refuses to answer my simple questions in three blogs now; goes to show his intentions are NOT honourable here.

I can't believe how badly he is buttering up to a few here, after creating a disturbance personally himself, for a long time now; taking turns on all; I see an uncivilized action by a disturbed person; and he suddenly turns sweeter than honey here.

Unbelievable! To use other's blogs, and start to bog-hop, to: publish one's own books, to get a job, to get noticed; to defame another, to get noticed; this is cheap and shameful! Hollywood style.

North

Hi

He has written so much ?????.....

Just ask him to write something sensible and reply his or her comments later.

God bless him...

Q: wich of the needs are met with ...?

by,
Human Needs psychology,
http://www.robbins-madanes.com/

1. Certainty
2. Uncertainty/variety
3. Significance
4. Connection/Love
5. Growth
6. Contribution

DC: under (extreme) stress, walk away,
take time for yourself, and so on,

Time-out!
people, everybody back into their corners,

and in/for the meanwhile, fill up your ...tank
with,
http://www.nealedonaldwalsch.com/

The Highest Thought is always that thought which contains joy.
The Clearest Words are those words which contain truth.
The Grandest Feeling is that feeling which you call love.

http://www.spiritsite.com/

Tanzan,
I sent you an email. If it doesnt bounce back and if you are who I think you are then I'm heartbroken.
You are a multi dimensional very gifted poet, and this is the saddest discovery I could have made.
Why?
I would still like to talk to you. Please do get in touch. I should have looked at your email ID sooner.
No North, this is not someone I dumped. This is someone who I admired, and still do

Dear Friends,
The eternal optimist in me says that everything happens for the better. Maybe this whole episode will serve as a catharsis for Contributors and Commentators alike and people will now know what are the limits of decency and acceptability while writing in a public forum.

Dear Kavita and Tanzan,
It seems both of you are cooling off now and seeing things with more clarity. I hope you are at peace with each other soon.

TS, I accept your gulab jamun of friendship.

Dear Plum Leigh,
I quote you:"I must admit my cynicism stems from the exclusiveness of the contributors list. Exlusivity makes me uncomfortable in all of its forms. And it seems hypocritical given the content of many of the posts regarding spirituality. Do non-celebreties and non-Indians have less to offer as potential contributors? Or are they worthy enough only to comment?" Unquote

I, and I'm sure most others, share your thoughts.

Cheers!
Navin

Well Kavita

Truth does work in mysterious ways. Ironic indeed that TS turns out to be someone whose work you admired.

I guess I see the authors on Intent as part of the larger hand which is engineering a more gracious, receptive and inclusive space. I tried to hint that something was very wrong with your whole thread when I said to you "if consciousness be the larger purpose of this marvellous blog the tone of this blog has gone awry." Unlike many others I still feel that the authors here carry the burden of temperance and sagacity especially in the face of 'attack'. It is what I feel and have seen(often) as the hand which heals a defensive/reactive mind. That is what makes this blog so unique and wonderful.

However I think it is time for me to hibernate and muse on all that this space has given me.

I Thank each and everyone of you for making this blog such a powerful space in my journey. Your wisdom, fraility, grace, confusion, love and anger has all helped me question, bow, soar and learn in unimaginable ways.

Kavita
You are many, many things which include warm, witty, talented and committed. Any hurt I may have caused you was never my intent so please forgive the damage I may have done.

Divya
You are inimitable and I have had an unexpressed desire to reach out and hug you at many a time. You have rare gifts, I too have learned many, many things from you and I will miss you greatly.

A.K
I too have loved reading you and have found your insights and heart(I share your passion for animals) moving. Perhaps we shall cross paths someplace, sometime.

Aachi
Thank You for your warmth and I will miss reading your mystical experiences for yours is an extraordinary life journey.

Aurora, Kristin, Scott & Kate

Yours is a special healing voice/touch on this blog. Thank You for being you.

The Chopras & Shekhar

With gratitude and love for the amazing space you made possible.

Warm Wishes and Cheers to all. May the New Year bring much peace and joy to all of you.

Kavita:
There was an election held at one institute to which I belong.The ballots required the signature of the voters to be considered valid and thus,the'inside person' got "elected".
An angry canditate demanded that the voting be free from surveillance/monitoring and therefore be totally through free unmarked anonymous ballots and predictably the results were totally different much to the chagrin of the establishment.
Many of us respect the content of this blog and admire the depth of thought expressed here. You seem to equate celebrity status to high intellect.Strength of name recognition and power have no co-relation to intellect..... think of President Bush,Saddam,Lallo Prasad,Courtney Love... you get the message.
Familiarity does breed contempt because 95% of us are still unable to contain our ego and get giddy when more than a few sentences we write/say make sense to somebody other than ourselves and on that basis we arm ourselves to put down others who dare speak their minds.
A little trick that I have learnt that I wish to share.One must pick up the pen instantly and start writing when a topic excites the mind,when the passion is afire and the heart is audible in the ear-drum BUT,one must only dare publish/post once the adrenaline has washed out of your system and the giddiness of the moment has subsided because it then gives you the second chance to analyse what you have written and see if it still carries the same punch or you need to edit the material.I wish you had done this with your post because you do realise how arrogant you sound.
Finally remember this :"THREE PEOPLE CAN KEEP A SECRET IF TWO ARE DEAD".So when I use the internet I am fully aware that someone somewhere is watching me.I just don't want the nuisance of getting superficially personal on the cyberspace.

Good point Sidharth. Applies to all of us..arrogance wasnt intended-frustration yes.

Navin,

Gosh... I haven't been quoted in a long time. I must double-check my spelling in future! I hope my comment didn't come off sounding TOO critical. My intention was not to add to the negativity. I suppose that negativity inspired me to share my musings about this space. Still, I think Intent blog is an interesting concept. And it has potential. For what, I'm not sure. That will depend on the leadership, I think.

Thanks Jasjit

Dear Kavita - just want to send you some love and a large hug!

North - I will join in the Reiki ring to send you some healing... and I will send some Kavita's way as well.

Maybe I'll send some Reiki to the rest of you too ;-)

Much love, Sheba

Dear Kavita,

I completely agree wih your stance on this. Completely.

I took to the site after reading about it in The Asian Age. I'm not crazy about it, I don't read everything that's posted on it but I do find it interesting/informative in parts.

But what happened on the blog about Shekhar Kapoor's birthday really put me off. I mean, really.

It was nasty, vicious and downright sad. That day, we left decency to the dogs.

An appetite for criticism is mandatory when your work is consumed in public but when negative commentary tresspasses known cultural levels, no one is bound to take it as sweet syrup. If it gets personal, one should get up from the right hand corner and give it on the nose. Hard.

I personally, have written negative comments on Shekhar's poetry. But I hope the day it gets too ugly, Shekhar will get up and ask me to mind it.

I am talking about it because in my own little way, I do now how it feels. I work as an associate creative director with one of India's biggest advertising agencies. I have worked on big-ticket brands, made films with reigning superstars.

But more often than not clients rip apart my work, comparing it to paper usually found in places as intellectually stimulating as toilets. Friends and bosses brand my work as more vomit-inducing than any other stuff on the shelf. I take it in good jest because it's all made in good jest.

But I don't take to i kindly when it begins to hover on the other side of decency. The fact that anyone has got the right to bad-mouth my stuff can not come to mean that I have to remain wedded to a phony cloak of silence, come what may.

So I know how you must have felt. Because in the end, the ability to take a negative point decently is only as important as the ability to put it like that at the first place.

Hello to All,
I have come now to intentblog, from a challenging day, and How can I tell you - what I Feel. If I can say anything that matters.

I wish...I wish...

The tsunmani came nearly a year ago, and then, I prayed - turn back time, if Only. Let this not be.
When hurricanes have battered the So. parts of America, and in the gulf coast, and New Orleans, how I wished....if only, let it not be.
An earthquake that can take thousands upon thousands of lives, in Minutes, No, please not!

Ah, but nature has no intent other than from acting it's nature out.
Not true, of human beings.

These past weeks, when my daughter lanquishes at times, struggling to be well, I have sought refuge, inspiration, dialogue, warm voices, Real People, to share with.

This has been precious to me.

That I have come to care deeply about this sharing and revealing process, at intentblog. I have never been a part of a community like this. A newbie, as Sachin has affectionately called me.

And it hurts deeply, deeply - when so many of us speak and pray and long for Peace, that it cannot be practiced in this place. When harsh words, and labels are given to contributers and commenters alike. Perhaps, writing in this format is meant for slings and arrows, hey, it's free speech.

Yet, can we not dialogue, even with our beliefs, and even in heated and spirited moments, yes - but Cruel? For what purpose, this?

I pray, on this day, and every day, that I hurt No One.

Life is precious and short.
I light a candle for my daughter, and for All of Us.

Blessings,
~ Kate

Jasjit,

it is really sad to see u go. please contact me on chillbetachill@sify.com. (life is too important to be serious!)

friends should never say goodbye.

the song of friendship in Namak Haram is very apt

" Diye jalthe hain...etc

Candles will continue to be lighted
flowers will bloom regularly
but in this world , a friend is difficult to find"

i never made online friends :) people in intentblog are the first. i will love it if all our friendships continue and we stay in contact with everyone of us.

maybe a day far in the future we all can meet and have lunch! then we can argue with Divya, listen to Harb's words, debate with A.K. , joke with Navin, and sleep through Deepak's political tone posts (i miss his spiritual discussions though) and maybe go for a matinee of Shekar's new movie! with complimentary tickets from him. :)

its a small planet Jasjit, and an unimaginable universe out there. a group of friends which meet by destiny , when disrupted, will never meet again.

kavita,
it is amazing that in retrospect the reason or solutions for a problem that has been nagging you is usuallly something very less mystic and nearer to us . i for one hope that both the parties make peace.

Hi Aachi,
How special your words, about friendship, and not to say goodbye.
I feel this way too.
Why this pull and 'ache' - for something precious I feel, is 'leaving'.
Who can know exactly, how we come together, share, part, and reunite, or never again meet.
stars, fate, anger, growing up and away, new interests....

May we indeed meet at the theatre. I know I will recognize you! And, do you like popcorn?
~~ Kate

Jasjit, come and watch the film with us!

Dear Aachi,
A luncheon get-together of Intentblog members sounds like a lot of fun. Maybe Soultrip would be able to find corporate sponsors like Pepsi/Coke etc. to sponsor this event. ;)

And talking of jokes, here are some I found on the net. Hope they will bring a smile to the sad faces here:

A young couple drove several miles down a country road, not saying a word.

An earlier discussion had led to an argument, and neither wanted to concede their position.

As they passed a barnyard of mules and pigs, the husband sarcastically asked, "Are they relatives of yours?"

"Yes," his wife replied. "I married into the family."

-----------------

They were married, but since the argument they had a few days earlier, they hadn't been talking to each other. Instead, they were giving each other written notes.

One evening he gave her a paper where it said:

"Wake me up tomorrow morning at 6 am."

The next morning he woke up and saw that it was 9 o'clock.

Naturally he got very angry. Seeing him seething with anger, the wife pointed to a piece of paper lying by his pillow, it said:

"Wake up, it's 6 o'clock!"

---------------

A man was traveling down a country road when he saw a large group of people outside a house. He stopped and asked a person why the large crowd was there.

A farmer replied, "Joe's mule kicked his mother-in-law and she died."

"Well," replied the man, "she must have had a lot of friends."

"Nope," said the farmer, "we all just want to buy his mule."

-----------------
Angry Husband

A man and woman were on their honeymoon after a long and very happy courtship. On their honeymoon, they decide to take their horses through the beautiful mountain passes of Europe. As the horses were crossing a small stream, the woman's horse mis-steps and jostles the man's wife. Once across the stream, the man dismounts, walks over to the horse, and stares into its eyes. Finally, he states, "That's one." The man remounts his horse and they continue their ride.

A bit further down the path, the woman's horse stumbles when stepping over a fallen tree. The man dismounts, stares the horse in the eyes, and boldly states, "That's two!" He returns to his saddle and they move on.

As the afternoon sun began to set, the woman's horse once again lost its footing on a mossy slope. The man dismounts, moves to the woman's horse, and helps his wife out of the saddle. Moving to the front of the horse he stares it in the eyes and firmly says, "That's three," removes a pistol from his vest, and shoots the horse dead.

The woman, quite upset at seeing the beautiful horse killed, says to her husband, "That's terrible, why would you do such a thing!"

The man stares at his wife and firmly says, "That's one!"

---------------

Too much analysis

Two psychiatrists were walking down a hall.
One turned to the other and said, "Hello."

The other one thought, "I wonder what he meant by that."

-----------------

Shakey went to a psychiatrist. "Doc," he said, "I've got trouble. Every time I get into bed, I think there's somebody under it. I get under the bed, I think there's somebody on top of it. Top, under, top, under. "you gotta help me, I'm going crazy!"

"Just put yourself in my hands for two years," said the shrink. "Come to me three times a week, and I'll cure your fears."

"How much do you charge?"

"A hundred dollars per visit."

"I'll sleep on it," said Shakey.

Six months later the doctor met Shakey on the street. "Why didn't you ever come to see me again?" asked the psychiatrist.

"For a hundred bucks a visit? A bartender cured me for ten dollars."

"Is that so! How?"

"He told me to cut the legs off the bed!"

Cheers!
Navin

Kavita,

Thank you so much for saying some good words about me (especially that I am not old lol).

The whole thing is past so far as I am concerned. I think now is rather the time for each one of us to look within and try to find out what lessons this whole episode has meant for each one of us.

Ramana Maharshi once said to the effect: "The person who makes you to look within is your guru." So I have found you, TS and some others as my gurus here and I now want to take the benefit of this.

Love and a dabba of virtual gulam jamuns to all here.

Harb (Even though I had written that I will leave I dont think I really had the heart to. I may look 'rustic' boor' from outside but may just be the opposite from inside.) Lol, TS, now I rather enjoy these adjectives...

Hi Navin, Aachi, Kate, North, Krish, ... and above all Tansen Sanjuki lol (just for the laugh TS don't take it wrongly!)

Hi Harb,
Hiran Orgoch had a high of 162 today. Enjoy the ride!

Cheers!
Navin

Navin,

Thanks.. Much needed and appreciated.

Hello Navin, yes, enjoying...been a good day.

Hello Kaveetaa...recalling your words....happiness is a verb...

Hope your mother is better now!

Harb

Marek and Sheba,
thanks for joining in the Reiki session :) Thinking about North's arm, Kate's daughter, Gothams's injure, Char's health and all the good- byes, I wonder if we could organize something like a Reiki emergency group here, open for everyone who wants to send or receive. Anyone interested, any ideas how to make it possible technically?

Char, thank you for hearing me :)

Jasjit, I admire you a lot- your sensitivity, your knowledge, your intelligence and kindness. I wish you the best during your time of "hibernation" and hope to see you whenever you feel that spring has come!

There is a common thread in this discussion for me- gulab jamun, lol... I'm so curious about it that I've decided to find out how to make them. There must be recipes on the net.

Hi Harb,

Thanx.. Mama agreed to go to South Africa to a relative. For her to be here on 12th, her wedding anniv would have been unnerving.. So I am glad she is in newer surroundings. Appreciate your concern Harb.

Aurora, your idea of emergency Reiki is what I had in mind too. Glad you brought it up. I would most willingly participate. We will have to overcome the time zone hiccup though.

Would it be of help to have emails of those who wish to send reiki, handy? Those in need could always get in touch on the blog. In case one of us missed the post, we could be informed on e mail. How does that sound? Workable?

First of all, let me start with what is to me the most important thing about this issue: You guys have spoilt my day.. I smoke just three cigs a day, after B'fast, lunch and dinner and had just finished the second when I logged on. After going through this post I smoked the third within an hour and now look what you'll have gone and done. Am still debating should I make this a special occassion and have one after dinner or be firm with my rather shaky self control and feel bad and miss the last one of the day. And you guys think you'll have a problem?!

Whats happened to us? Actually thinking about it, nothing really. We have behaved as ordinary humans and had a bad day. Even so its still shaken me up. To those who have left and want to may I just say one thing please - I think Intent or any institution is only as good as the members make it. I am here, and I take it for granted that this is unanimous, we feel that Intent too is a good if not great place. Well who made it? Just the founders? Certainly yes, but its not only about them anymore, its about all of us. We have all contributed to it and should be justifiably proud. So A.K., Krish, Jasjit and everyone else, including Laurence and Norm, please consider this; you'll have been here much longer than me and have personally encouraged me and contributed much to my enjoyment of this place. Without demeaning the contribution of the others, this place was built up by you'll - you can't simply walk away. More importantly - you can't walk away from your own. I think you owe it to yourselves to be here when you are perhaps most needed, during the bad times. Personally I have never been so saddened here as when I read your farewell messages. I simply cannot imagine this place without you'll. The tragic thing about this whole episode is that those who have been affected the most are those who were not involved in the root cause of why this post saw the light of day. Unfortunately this happens only too often. Please reconsider, you are all our assets and I am being selfish here when I say I want you'll back so that we can continue to agree, disagree, take a few digs at each other, joke around, learn from each other and most of all get to know each other better.

The one major drawback of getting acquainted through this medium is that we never get to see each others faces and expressions when we write what we do. Normal correspondense is generally with people whom we know so that when they wite something we have a fairly good idea of what their intentions and feelings are when they express some emotion. Unfortunately never having met face to face or got to know each other well personally, to understand the real motive behind why someone says something or the mood in which it is said cannot be adequately guaged. The chances of grave misunderstandings taking place are therefore even more. Perhaps there is more need then to give the benefit of the doubt first and reconfirm before reacting. Once again my dear friends, please reconsider your decisions. We all stand to gain.

Thank you and with much love,
Dara Cooper
cooperdara@sify.com.

We at and as a part of Intent are young and going through a gestation period, I think. I also think that the greatest thing here is that we all feel free to spout opinion and thats a great great plus for us all. If we are to continue in the same vein and I think we should and must, and since we are still emerging and taking shape, I have one request of the organisers and those who have a say in the future course of this site. Please institute and implement just one simple rule: "Respect for all, at all times". Its simple and when one thinks about it, all encompassing without in any way inhibiting our freedom to express our opinions with dignity and without fear. That too is very important if we are to continue progressing. Sure there has been much heat generated at times but it has not been demeaning of anyone or spiteful.

Just one example. I think that if Divya ever changes her forthright and honest approach to issues and hesitates in expressing her views (specially when I agree with them, which I often do) I would be as distressed as if she were leaving. We would all be losers. Divya your a gem! :)

Harb,
My friend the way you have acted in this instance has added to my admiration of you.

Let us get back to the business of making Intent grow and grow well and move on - not forgetting what we have been through and keeping in mind what we have learnt from this unfortunate episode. This is a happy place and lets all enjoy the benefits of a win-win situation.

Dara,

Am responding to your post, since I am in agreement with most of it. Why are our friends leaving? Who are they going away from? If their soul is crying out , it is only a sign for mature self reflection.They should just move forward and heal themselves.Philosphy asks us to move into courage.Our personal identity cannot be based on a faulty premise.The good is out there and will always be out there. We have to pursue it ardently, ireespective of the results.Even the most hurtful or confusing aspects can be made tolerable by clear thinkng and by choice. We have to learn to become our souls own Doctor.

I humbly request you all to reconsider your decisions too.

Dara,

Am responding to your post, since I am in agreement with most of it. Why are our friends leaving? Who are they going away from? If their soul is crying out , it is only a sign for mature self reflection.They should just move forward and heal themselves.Philosphy asks us to move into courage.Our personal identity cannot be based on a faulty premise.The good is out there and will always be out there. We have to pursue it ardently, irrespective of the results.Even the most hurtful or confusing aspects can be made tolerable by clear thinkng and by choice. We have to learn to become our souls own Doctor.

I humbly request you all to reconsider your decisions too.

Hi Kaveeta, that's great! I think that the idea has popped up in several minds. Maybe Mallika can add a Reiki button somewhere on the main page with our emails, and to make it simple for the users, maybe there can be a way to send a request to all senders with just one click. It would be nice if we could build up momentum by sending concomitantly, but I think you're right, it's not workable. Maybe the requester could specify a preferred time for receiving, and we could all do our best.

Sorry for the double posting.

Kavita,
After reading all about what is going on I decided to read all your previous posts and liked all of them. Your articles told me a lot about you. I think you are a good person, wish you all the best. I think that we should forget about this Tanzan person, I think we are giving this person a lot of unnecessary importance.
Esther.

Hi Aurora,

Sounds neat..The requester could perhaps give us a couple of options for time most suitable and we could plan it accordingly.

should take it to the next level.

Apropos the post by Esther:

Ditto.

- soultrip

Dear Divya,

Sorry about my choice of words for you. It was intentional and only to demonstrate that none of us likes name calling. We can make our point without resorting to it. Peace.

Point well taken, Vish. I'll put in a huge effort and try softening up. :)

Thanks to all for your kind comments. I hope people don't leave. I'll even miss Krish. Yikes!!! I think a cooling off period may be worth it though and we'll have the gang back in time.

Aachi,

I liked your idea of a luncheon get-together. I am always available for such a function. I would even like to visit you at Hyderabad sometimes if you will like the idea.

In fact, I am a free bird with wings (with a MUV) and want to go on an All-India tour but do not find any like-minded company who, moreover, can foot the bill in equal measure. Anybody else that free?

Navin, we can share the expenses of get-together ourselves, why should we need any sponsors? No?

Dara, thank you. Though I don't find where I have reacted in such a way so as to deserve admiration. I too acted like all the others...some, may be small, spark of ego flashed through my mind too. Though all for the good, now it will come under my gaze..

Aurora carlson,

Good that you will learn making gulab jamuns. Like Indian mysticism these too are unique. My mouth is literally watering even as I am writing about them.

Harb

Kaveetaa,

Really good that your Mom is away, otherwise the seen of her missing her husband especially at their wedding anniversary would have been too much for you and everybody around.

Harb.

Dear Harb,
Of course we can. The way my Stock picks are doing these days I could come to London for the Luncheon. ;) No problem at all.

I was just thinking about the get-together event on a bigger scale. Like a global get-together of all the Commentators & Contributors of Intentblog. The most active bloggers on Intentblog from across the world could meet at one central location....say somewhere in Europe and we could even sell the Television Broadcast rights. Since, Soultrip is a bigshot in the Advertising industry, I am sure he would be able to get sponsors for this global event. We could also talk about how to form the Unified World Govt. as Craig suggested during this global get-together. This could be the beginning of a worldwide movement. How about the name for our organisation: Intentblog Cosmic Foundation?

Maybe this is how the thoughts and ideas we have churned out here at Intentblog would get converted into some solid action!

What say, mates?

Cheers & Good Luck,
Navin

PS: Am I dreaming too big? LOL.

Dear Sheba, Aurora, Marek; all whom offered to send Reike; Marek; just make sure, you get the LEFT arm(gentle smiles) I am soOoo eternally grateful.

AURORA: Brilliant! Yes, I would concurr with you, on an Emergancy Reiki session. As I type, the tendon on my rotto-cuff; burns like fire, tightens like a garrot.

I have an appology to make too; b/c I called all that chose to leave, a coward. I can't believe how I've felt/reacted to this unfolding of what, I'm still unsure a name for it?

And, well, as I struggle for words of asking forgiveness; I too, must admit; I reacted, the "way" the event was started. Negatively.

And so, with humble beginnings; I have come to ask, forgiveness from anyone I may have inadvertantly, in my anger(oh dear) call cowardly.

And so, I ask forgiveness too; for the lack of forgiveness I still harbour at TS, for the outrageous action he created on ALL of us here at Intent; using Kavita as the unsuspecting heart.

I am giving my head a shake thinking; "Oh, no! I am back in the projects!"

I am so bewildered, on how easy it is; for anyone, to stir our anger, emotions and create a disharmony so greatly; it might actually have served a greater purpose in the long run.

Kavita may have been given by God; a gift and reveal a person; she thought as a friend, actually is betraying her. The blow must be so severe; because I feel it too.

I come to Intent, to open windows, to issue's and share my experience's in the hope's of strengthening a soul, who may be losing HOPE! If I can show them; I survived--here's how--but first, let's open this window; it's stuffy in here; well then, I feel a profound source of help; and who doesn't want to be a helper?

I will dance, sing; cavort, be the blog jester, and debate the issue's; to bring light to a plight.

What I instantly like about Kavita; is her profound ability; to reach across the world; and find/support/embrace; so many, unsung heroe's and survivors of darker storms than this.

I am feeling a great sorrow for her; being so betrayed and deceived; because I have walked in those shoes more than once myself; I think no doubt; we all have, and will again?

When, here in town, a rabid dog attacks a child; we shoot it.

What do we do, to a rabid human being; that would betray a woman friend, in such a horrible way?

Yes, I feel like I am back in the projects, where I learned to survive people from people like Tanzan, or become broken, twisted and lost; where sides are chosen; and the one's strongest, intelligent and helpful therefor; flee the scene, in fear of disharmony tainting their peace, rather than stay, and heal the wounds, collectively, in united source.

I am confused today; I am bewildered, baffled; and have been made to swallow, a very bitter reality, caused by Tanzan's abominable betrayal, not just on Kavita, anymore; it has tainted all of our trust; I know, it has mine!

Kavita gives freely; a space to honour unsung heroe's and find, around the world; peace-makers and survivors of adversity.

I cannot fathome a reasoning; for dismanteling her Grace by Tanzan.

I must peel layers of my trust again; to find why I am feeling quite deceived too; and will I myself, ever trust more freely?

Well, that's my piece, on how this event has marked my heart; and now, it is up to each one of us; to ask our soul; why we feel/act/hurt, the way we do.

Kavita, you have my spirt by your side. I am here, if you need help, to open any windows, that have been made in your beingness, to shut. Do NOT, let your roomy heart, become stuffy, or stale; by hiding it's light.

Love to All, and All, to Love!

North

QUOTING KAVEETA to DARA:

Dara,

Am responding to your post, since I am in agreement with most of it. Why are our friends leaving? Who are they going away from? If their soul is crying out , it is only a sign for mature self reflection.They should just move forward and heal themselves.Philosphy asks us to move into courage.Our personal identity cannot be based on a faulty premise.The good is out there and will always be out there. We have to pursue it ardently, irrespective of the results.Even the most hurtful or confusing aspects can be made tolerable by clear thinkng and by choice. We have to learn to become our souls own Doctor.

I humbly request you all to reconsider your decisions too.

Posted by: kaveetaa at December 9, 2005 02:35 AM

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I wish Kaveeta; I had words like yours to express the same thoughts we share. I grew up with too many siblings; and naturally(ahem) come off as Motherly, hence - authoritative! sigggH

so, in lieu; I echo your sentiments with love!

North

Harb, I have never even tasted gulab jamun, and my mouth is watering anyway, lol... they must be very special indeed.

Navin, too big dreams? You must be kidding :):) There's no such thing.

Kaveeta, I've left a note for Mallika on her "Mommy" thread.

Is there anyone else out there who would like to be part of a Reiki team?

North, pl give me the address of your blog...spiritoffourwind...Mieke has said something about my book's translation there but I find myself unable to locat the address. Thanx

North,

Yesterday, I "almost " reacted to your dig at me! Held back my machinery, and I am thankful.

But you seem like a nice person, and your language flows so poetically. Nice!

Anyways, have a good one.

Peace!

I cant believe what's happening to this blog. Where's all the love people...

Originality or not is not an issue. Ths is definitely nt a forum to spew venom over. Sue? threats? what the hell is going on here.

Love.peace.take a deep breath. Relax and lets start things over. I dont want to take any names here. But just lets all cool it. Or just take it outside. Thanks and peace out.

http://swaroopkanchi.blogspot.com/

Some wisecracks to diffuse the tension on this thread:

*Diplomacy is the art of saying good doggie while looking for a bigger stick.

*Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me, either. Just leave me alone.

*Don't be irreplaceable; if you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted.

*Don't drink and drive. You might hit a bump and spill your drink.

*Don't piss me off! I'm running out of places to hide the bodies.

*Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.

*Double your drive space. Delete Windows!
Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together.

*If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments.

*IRS: We've got what it takes to take what you've got.

*It IS as bad as you think, and they ARE out to get you.

*It is far more impressive when others discover your good qualities without your help.

*It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

*It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal the neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.

*It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

Cheers!
Navin

Even though it was a roller coaster drive with hot arguments regarding "blog policing", one thing to be noted is that it gave a chance to look into depth of our selves. I think frustration made kavita post this thread, and the intention was good. But when it was inscribed in words, it radiated bit arrogance, which hurt a lot of people. Some thought of even moving out of this place itself.

But at last, when the sky became clear and dark clouds gone, we found that nobody had any serious intention to hurt other. It was a mere ego clash.yes, its during a bad time, that we learn the most precious things about life.I have always found life to be like that. When we actually go through it, we may feel, why this hell is upon me? But when we pass that phase and look back, we can always see that we have learnt something very precious, which we could not have learnt otherwise. Something should shake us to the bottom, then only we look at it to the depth. Similarly, here, after a phase of confusion, things are getting clearer, I guess. Atleast it made us know each other little deeper.
I think we have to keep few things in mind ..
# This is a public space to express ourself. So respect other's feelings when we express ourselves. We may disagree(and have to) with some body else's views. But since we are expressing ourselves using words(words have restrictions), we should take care how it is conveyed. We are disagreeing with the idea and not with the person.
# Few people who writes comments may know each other personally and may have to convey something among themselves. But is it nice to use a public space like this for conveying such messages which may not be of any value to the majority of others?
# Lets make this a sacred space to elevate our consciouness and not to quench our ego

Prayers for all of you and wishing a happy weekend

Harb: yes, you should SEE, the wonderful creation I am making for YOU, with Mieke's guidance; she's just today sent me an update on cover-text(wink.)

It is not posted on the site; it is on my zip-drive; I only sent Mieke a quick peek for some approval prior to advancing further with it. I think Harb, you will not only be impressed, but, quite pleased. I am honoured to do this for your book!

http://groups.msn.com/SpiritsoftheFourWinds

North

Santosh; thank you, God Bless you for your strong patience; I did not realize, you and Kavita; were being playful...I thought it another cruelty. I am too quick to the draw, to defend; I keep asking myself, why I am, this way? experience, I suppose? lol Yes, I am a very nice person(blush) and thankyou for the nice compliment!(gentle smiles.)

OK< tomorrow, Saturday - Reiki Miracle Wanted: During a Huge Banquet, for who? the Hostess(Me), left arm - from 4: 00p.m to ? OR< save it for midnight tomorrow night; when I attempt to sleep. lol

North

North, sorry, I missed responding- I've started the sessions yesterday, right after I wrote here, and if it's okay with you I'll send every day at the same hour (12.45 pm "blog hour")for six more days. OK?

OK, Aurora! I am so grateful Aurora, truly, et al; whom is joining in, for me, Gotham and all needing Reiki Healing.

I"ve exhausted all avenue's to relieve the pain; and medical tests all done; but, weeks yet, to see the doctor. I"m emotionally exhausted, living with this arm, as is.

so yes! yes! yes! Aurora, and God Bless all of you, for your Healing Spirit's!

North

That's great, North. If you can, please lie down and relax at that time, and just feel your body for half an hour or so. Thanks!

Hey Navin,

Bigshot in advertising? Me...??? C'mon, I'm just another crabby talentless twerp who crawled into the party when no one was looking!

So what's your next accusation? Intelligent? OK, now where did I keep my lawyer's number...

Ho, ho, ho....

But seriously, your post in an unwavering, measured tone was such a relief. It took a lot of tension out, made a crumpy, ill-shaped paperball out of it and tossed the cursed thing out of the window.

So more power to you. And sanity.

Cheers!

Hi Kavita and all,

EricJP's post made a lot of sense. Many of us get into talking-to-the-wall mode when we're writing a reply to an article or a comment. We don't see the person we're talking to, which makes us less sensitive than we would be if we were talking face-to-face. And we often don't thoroughly think through how our comments will affect other readers. I'm as guilty of this as most others are.

It's possible that a change to Intentblog's design could help remind visitors that their comments are part of a matrix of communication, and, yes, a community -- that what we visitors write are not isolated notes to one other person. Suppose, when we write a comment, we have a chance to categorize the comment? And suppose, when our comment is posted on Intentblog, the background color of our comment's text is keyed to the way we categorized our post?

The opportunity to "type" a comment would make people think, at least, about the tone of their posts. Comment types might be something like: Applause, Support, Agree, Neutral, Disagree, Angry, Lecture, and Friendly Chat. (My guess is I'd use Applause, Support and Agree most often, but sometimes would use Disagree, and, once in a while, Lecture.)

Self-categorization of comments would act as a gentle reminder to visitors that a host of other people will be reading their posts, and will be affected by what they write. Also, unique patterns of color would develop for each thread. We could look at a thread and tell at a glance how others are reacting and commenting, and if we were feeling touchy or sensitive at the moment, we could click away from a thread if it was trending towards negativity.

Cheers, Heather

LOL Soultrip,
Do you want to backtrack from this statement of yours:"I work as an associate creative director with one of India's biggest advertising agencies. I have worked on big-ticket brands, made films with reigning superstars."
or are you just in a humble mood right now? ;)

Common mate, I'm giving you the full responsibility of organising this Mega Media event: the first summit of the Intentblog Cosmic Foundation! And you want to shirk work? LOL. You could get mega bucks from sponsors for this global event if you market it well.

Cheers & Love,
Navin

PS: My lawyer is the Deadly Desh of Intentblog fame, he won't let you backtrack from what you said. LOL

Hi everyone,

The very fact that a “nobody” like me is allowed to come to this blog and disagree and even criticize an “everybody” like Deepak, says it all!

I hope this is just a shift change and not a quitting the job situation! I wonder if there is a message in the fact that most of the people who have had enough seem to have a scientifically based mind?

To quote a well known figure on intent blog:
“There is again no problem with having heated exchanges..but we must all try not to cross the limits of decency.”

The very same person who posted this comment was not trying very hard “not to cross the limit of decency”!

It was fun while it lasted!

Hey Aurora! Please count me in on the Reiki email list. I'd be honoured to be a part of something like that with you all.

BTW, I think trying to coordinate one time to do it might be difficult and really, is it necessary? I mean, I like the idea of someone in need being surrounded by a wave of Light around the clock. The energy knows what to do - where to go and how much one needs.

Let me know what you guys decide to do and I'm in!

Love, Sheba

Thanks Aurora; if anyone is here now; I'm going to lay down now; big night tonight, my son brings a girl home, to meet Mom! lol need a beauty nap, so here we goOoo,,,,off to feel the energy and healing light,,,thanks Aurora, Sheba et al.

North

I posted this a few hours ago on the original “Trash Talk”.

Hi everyone,

The very fact that a “nobody” like me is allowed to come to this blog and disagree and even criticize an “everybody” like Deepak, says it all!

I hope this is just a shift change and not a quitting the job situation! I wonder if there is a message in the fact that most of the people who have had enough seem to have a scientifically based mind?

To quote a well known figure on intent blog:
“There is again no problem with having heated exchanges..but we must all try not to cross the limits of decency.”

The very same person who posted this comment was not trying very hard “not to cross the limit of decency”!

It was fun while it lasted!

Kavita,

I agree with your opinion on this post. I have stopped coming to Intent Blog as often because i was not enjoying the way some posters consistently go after certain writers. I feel like those people have created the so called, "High School" atmosphere.

Freedom of speech is only free when it doesn't cost someone else.

Adontai

Sheba, I'm so glad you're in! Let's discuss the details on the next open thread and see if there are others who'd like to join.

Thanks Adontai, and others. I'm a friend of Kavita's visiting her this weekend.She is not being permitted to come on intentblog this weekend after the kind of nastiness she received here. We friends are manning the computer and answering on her behalf. She needs some TLC and R&R right now.
take care y'all

Dear Sheba, Aurora, Marek; all whom offered to send Reike; Marek; just make sure, you get the LEFT arm(gentle smiles) I am soOoo eternally grateful.
Posted by: North

;)
eeeh dear North, like I mentioned, my 2nd degree Usui Shiki Ryo Reiki initiation is so long ago, (and nobody seems to give a crap 'bout stuff that don't put more numbers on their bankaccounts..;)
it's rusty, though I wish I had practised it more, than I could..Dance now too, shame, shame, shame..;)

Though maybe a fun anekdote,
At a little low point in this incarnation,
a very known Polish spiritual healer, Kahuna and all kind of in-Spirit methods and traditions,
seemed to turned the tide for me,
so later I asked: 'what did you do exactly?'
he replied, 'oh, I don't remember, propably a
prayer of some kind',
whaaat! was that all? I know this stuff! the Power of (spiritual) Intent, like Deepaks programms amongst others, ..or is it a self-fullfilling prophecy..;)

And, on a quantum level..what would be the cause and effect of Reiki..universal..;)

..Love, Passion!

Aurora - sounds like a plan! If for some reason I'm not available on the Open Thread day, feel free to email me - shebaavalon@hotmail.com

Come to think of it, feel free to email regardless ;-)

Marek - on the plus side, the Reiki itself doesn't rust :-)

IT is in Believing; that all things can be viewed as possible. Maybe, just believing their Rieki would help re-inforce my natural healing ability; enabled the pain to subside just enough; for me to reach an utopia long enough to relax a bit more in the arm.

I believe in Rieki, self-healing; but, as mentioned, there comes a time; when the pain, when had so long; takes over all sense and sensibility. I'm afraid the body CAN be stronger, than the mind; it seems to have a co-existant mechanism; both can hurt tremendously, yes?

I am no Master of skills, self-healing never was my forte'.

Thanks for thinking of me though Marek; and to Aurora and Sheba, and any silent healers out there; whom sent good intentions my way; and Gotham's way, for his nasty Knee injury.

North

I was travelling and had no time to even check my mails. Please do not read more into it. Spaces where we all can freely exchange ideas is very important and I am glad Intent is doing that.

agreed !

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