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Deepak Chopra - January 23, 2006

Some concept of a "subtle body" is accepted widely throughout the East, but it hasn't made major headway in the West for one obvious reason:

Whatever is invisible has little standing in a materialistic culture where reality is defined by science. Therefore, an understanding about subtler levels of reality has spread one person at a time. Such persons may be eminent and respectable--Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, W.B. Yeats, Vaclav Havel--but on the whole these matters are explored privately by ordinary people, mostly alone but sometimes in small groups.

What have they discovered? Because the subtle body is as complex as the physical body, insights about it have been legion. On the periphery of official wisdom, if we can use that term to describe orthodox ways of thinking, millions of people have experienced and believe in the following propositions:

--Direct healing is possible, including self-healing, faith healing, and hands-on healing.
--Separate minds can be in communication.
--The living can contact the dead.
--Outer events mirror inner states of mind.
--Everything happens for a reason.
--Destiny is a force in human life.
--Collective consciousness is a web connecting every human being.
--Nature is organized and intelligent.
--Higher states of consciousness are real.
--Prayers are answered.
--Dreams, wishes, and intentions can come true.
--A critical mass of people who want peace can end war and bring about an era of peace.

What these diverse things have in common--besides being excluded from official wisdom--is that they imply an invisible connection. By which I don't mean a mystical one. Just as the material world is connected invisibly at the quantum level, the subtle world is connected by a field of consciousness. A prayer, a desire to be healed, a wish for peace, hope for reassurance about the dead--each impulse enters the field of consciousness and is responded to, just as every material event enters the quantum field and is responded to, down to the least quark and photon.

So much evidence exists already about everything on the list that there is no longer a need to try and adapt to the scientific world view as if it were the only valid one. (Or as if the alternative is superstition, magical thinking, and fantasy.) The problem about living a connected life isn't the opposition of science or skepticism. The problem is that the subtle level of Nature, being invisible and explored one person at a time, has not revealed itself in a very organized way. Consciousness is still a cottage industry. As such, there is a wild mixture of truth and speculation, projection and verification. Anyone's experience could be real or imaginary. Anyone's explanation could be valid or eccentric.

Even in the East, where higher states of consciousness are revered, the knowledge of subtle reality feels confused and disorganized. There are specialists in isolated fields like acupuncture, there are martial arts schools and various gurus and sages, but making specialized connections isn't the same as providing an understanding to the world at large.

For a new world view to emerge it must be coherent. It cannot be built up from entirely personal experiences, because sometimes these experiences are so intense that we can't see beyond them. Imagine being in a room where a clairvoyant medium, a channeler, a faith healer, and an acupuncturist are trying to reach agreement while all around them radios blare messages about UFOs, alien abductions, reincarnation, near-death experiences, etc. The Babel of voices is so intense as to be unintelligible.

The first steps have to be taken, however, despite this welter of confusion. A culture of consciousness is possible. In fact, present-day science is such a culture, although it is based, ironically enough, on the premise that consciousness has no validity except as an emergent property of matter. One can foresee the next culture of consciousness based on connections, which would overturn the whole scientific prejudice against the subtle body, invisible realities, and the primacy of consciousness in general.

Love,

Deepak

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Posted by Deepak Chopra at January 23, 2006 12:17 PM

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Sir Deepak,

With due deference and respect to you, many here will feel a whole more connected and appreciated if you can find the time from your busy life to interrelate and be more personable with this your global Intent family.:)

Love, Cherry.

Deepak,

I see the present day culture of young scientists overturning the scientific prejudice against the subtle body.

Deepak: This post reminds me of the saying that comes in response to the journalist's questions--the "five W's and H": "Who is God; What is God; Where is God; When is God; Why is God; and How is God?"

And the "Teacher" answers, "Show me who is not God, what is not God, where God is not, when God is not, why God is naught(-y!), and.....a change--how were you created then????"......

.....assuming that God is the energy of "Unconditional Love," and that it is all connected--which is why this world is somewhat unique, with it's "Maya," it's "appearance" that everything is not connected; but rather, is isolated and concretely distinct, and uniquely separate from all other "things."

Will re-read this post several times--as a "re-membrance of 'What Is!'" Dave

Cherry, baby, you keep amazing me, you got some..;)
respect! heck you only live once!
I seccond that motion!, with love and passion ;)(that would be for the non-spiritual people..;)
(in esoteric lingo; that would be: steppin' in the same moment of the neverending moment of the Now or: river of life twice..;)

Love, Passion,
Ps. cherry, baby, ..maybe if people start spammin' some sense..;)
Ps. Anyhow, humbly, to see the pictures of that last Peace conference in Peurto Rico, if I may, good inspiration, for the rest of the bunch ;)

Deepak:

The Experiences you mentioned in one list are on several different levels.. based on where the person is on experiencing it.

I believe that there are following types:

1. Who just rubbish the "consciousness"/subtle body stuff outright! Ego-centric and blinkered scientists and religious fundamentals amongst faiths other than those who "inherently" assume a soul as the seat of power are primary constituencies in this category.

2. Those who has seen little and very subtle events/experiences that may "qualify" as a demo of consciousness in action and they are open but skeptic of the claims.

3. Those who strongly believe in the power of consciousness and like Category 2 have seen very little evidence.

4. Those who have undergone some profound experiences involving consciousness and have as a consequence (or even before) are strong believers.

The "objective" and agnostic charm and no-nonsense approach of the first category of people makes any "REASONABLE" discussion or debate a non-starter (as we have seen amply in this forum as well as say, on Larry King live when you had appeared during the "Intelligence Design" debate).

Since Consciousness experience is something that cannot be "understood" but "felt" (although it is true) ... it does create an issue in convincing folks!

In such a scenario, I believe that a "parsing" out of the experience structure by the caregory 4 folks is required .. for category 2 and 3 to stydy better.. and enhance the community strength!

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

dear Deepak,

i love this!! Let's bring about peace. Thank you for your post, it is inspiring.

I drove out to a little farm on Saturday to buy some fresh eggs, and when I went in the little shop area, there were only two dogs in the shop. It took several minutes for a person to appear and she said, "Oh my gosh, the dogs never barked! They always bark when someone enters the shop."

I was happy to think the dogs could see the peace in my heart. Or else I was invisible for a minute.

Golly!

How does Deepak seem so effortlessly to pen these paradigms of profundity.

Dispassion, no jealousy here . . .

Once again thank you Dr. Chopra.

I search for your guidance daily . . .

Peace

Dear Deepak....This one was quite a thought provoking article from you. Generally I pick up instantly in a flash what you're saying...but this one was like driving a car in peak times at LA roads. Hang on! What's he saying here? It sounds a little contradictory to what he generally says....that kind of stop and go flow.

I've been following you Dear Deepak...you've been one of the best speakers when it comes to consciousness and quantum physics. You&AmitGoswami have done a lot on this fascinating subject. Yes, maybe soon the prejudice against the subtle body and many more wud go away in the new world view. Maybe not so soon.

How wud that happen? When you talk abt Destiny being a force and the Evolution of consciousness unfolding by itself....it will happen on its own. Understanding of a subject so much depends upon one's unique level of awareness as you always talk abt...so if the Evolution of consciousness itself doesn't reach that stage say in the coming decades....then the story wud be almost the same. It cud just be wishful thinking on our part. Have to ponder on this artice though Dear Deepak!!

Thanks for getting a spiritual topic on this site!

Love..Sachin

Hi Deepak,nice post. The subtle body has thousand petalled Sahasrar chakra for a brain and 6 other chakras make up the cerebrospinal axis. When one holds his/her hand in front of one of the chakras, say 1 cm from the azna chakra, (which is where an Indian woman would put her bindi,) in between the eyebrows, one can feel the warmth, and when the hand is moved above or below it is not warm. Or one can hold the pendulum in front of any of the chakras and see how the pendulum moves differently when close to the chakra. Gaging the change in temperature,and the movement of the pendulum, can be used as experiments for the non believer.

I like to use the fan to explain about the subtle body. When the fan is in off mode, the blades are easily seen to the naked eye.When the fan is in the on mode, especially when vibrating at high speed, the naked eye can not see the blades. Similarly, the subtle body because it is moving at a much faster vibration our eyes are not able to see the subtle body.

Thank you Deepak. God bless.

Hi Geeta, Geeta! I loved your post about the "invisible connection" you shared with your mother.

O should I call you Dr./Prof. Jayaram??? Look at you teach and share Geeta--you are like that Lotus unfolding as it floats as if suspended just beyond the reach of the earthly muck and mire which supplies the roots with nourishment.

I love it when the "third eye" is buzzing, like it is now. It feels like I have a magnet in my head, and that an invisible hand is passing another magnet with the opposite polarity in front of that point between the eyebrows--but now, "someone" must have moved the magnet over the top of my head--as it now feels like an invisible breeze is swirling like a vortex over the top of my head.

Must be "Geeta Geeta" sending out her thought-waves!!! Dave

Hi Deepak, the example of fan in not my own. Neither is the pendulum nor the gaging of temperature. I just do not remember where I read them.May be one of your books.Sorry I did not mention that in the above comment.

Hi Dave, It was so real Dave.It was my mother's voice. Thank you for reading it. Some times when I write about "strange stuff " as some people call it, I want you to read and tell me I have not gone crazy yet. Even if I have,(I think I am a little looney)I like this craziness.

Dave what are your thoughts on the pendulum. Since only God can read our thoughts, I should be able to use the pendulum if I ask questions in my mind, right? Especially if I do it soon after prayers.

I don't think I am a professor. I am just me.Remember, humility is my friend,I want to keep my friend. Thank you Dave. May God pour his blessings on you and give you abundance, peace, and perfect health.

Geeta: Actually, your going "sane," and your dormant abilities are awakening, and to say the least, it can be incredibly confusing as they do.

It is particularly troubling for someone who has to maintain the professional stature of a well-grounded physician, but it is also very courageous that you go beyond conventional wisdom, as Deepak has done so successfully--for all who love his fantastic teachings, there are still so many who ridicule him because he is ever going out on the cutting-edge, and moving the "edge" deeper into the abyss of what once was unfathomable knowledge.

I will look for a better place, maybe at the end of this thread, to give you some ideas about what you experienced as a form of clairaudience--which means "clear hearing" in French. I'd rather us be at the tail-end of a thread and therefore not disrupt the thread with some of tangentials I so easily digress with.

It was real Geeta--your mother all but verified this, however unwittingly that may still seem--truth is stranger than fiction--but there are ways to development a discerning sense that allows for you to tell the difference between what you perceive to be imagination, and what can manifest from your imaging-forth as your abilities awaken. Dave

Dear Deepak,
At the risk of sounding incoherent, I have to follow my heart as I explore deeper levels of my being. I mean I'll follow the intelligence of the heart, which coupled with the intelligence of the mind, helps me to make a better assessment of what is real.

In the West, since the Enlightenment, we have been suffering collectively due to an emphasis on rational, "scientific" thinking. But I believe the highest knowledge is intuitive , as eastern have philophies explained,and I think that no amount of linear thinking alone can lead to the understanding of consciousness.

So, I believe you are right, it is a personal experience. I also "know that the subtle body" is real. Although, how could I explain my point of view without ignoring the advice of many spiritual teachers who warned against the sharing of "unusual" psychic experiences? I'll try to be candid.

I have had premonitory dreams whose details turned out to be so accurate that I had to rule out the possibility of mere telepathy. Some of these were world events. In the words of Jung, I kept asking myself "what is the nature of these dreams? What effect is it meant to have" on me?

As another example, while I was still skeptical about the healing capacity of Reiki, the people who received the energy through me were healed, or at least showed great improvement.

Even more puzzling to me, were my "past life memories". Most came during meditation. Whether real or not, they have changed my mind and heart about the nature of consciousness.

During my life in Rome, I had a strange and strong dislike for the myth of Vesta, the Roman goddess of the hearth. Among all archetypes, Vesta was one that scared me. Even though I lived at walking distance from her ancient temple, I never wished to visit it. Last year, I suddenly started to have "memories" about a time when in the temple there was a sacred fire that burned day and night, and I became aware (intuitively) of certain facts about that myth. Then, I researched the history of Rome in the time before "pagan" temples were destroyed with the advent of Cristianity. Well, I cried for a whole weekend. Then, I felt great relief. Now I can't wait to go back to Rome to see the ruins of the temple.

I am almost certain that these phenomena are actually common, but there is a stigma of irrationality attached to them. Removing that stigma would allow more people to organize their experiences in a coherent form. And I also think that the best organizing factors for these experiences are yoga and meditation.

When we will have reached critical mass and will be meditating collectively, coherence and incoherence will be notions of the past. It will be normal to know our subtle bodies and to be aware of our connection to the universe. I know through your books that you believe this.

Thank you for a beautiful article. You must have been blessed by goddess Saraswati.
Love,
Donatella
Aum Aing Saraswatye Namah Aum

Dear Geeta,
You are an amazing woman. Do you teach meditation?
Love,
Donatella

The very premise of physics is flawed, and the true nature is a most disturbing thing to the ego mind.

Soon many will come to know, the wave grows on the horizon, and shall soon break upon the shores of the human mind, and there will be new devices and the nature of travel will change.

Albert Einstein's greatest experiment has never been known to the world, for only after his death could it be completed and found.

I never shared it with anyone, so only I could know it, if once again earth bound.

~Infinite Play The Movie

Beautiful post, Deepak...

if only we can let go of our limiting beliefs...

thank you for continually pointing...

love, Carolyn

Deepak,

I was just talking with someone about this very issue and he did not see any possibility for the universe to organize consciousness in general. I disagree. I think just as an orchestra can come together and create a symphony all these vehicles-mediums-modes can create a synergy. Which will enable consciousness organize and be understood by the common man. It does not have to be a long road traveled but a simple process of awakening the soul. This process will need to happen in all different manners depending on what crosses your path and what one manifests into reality. Becoming conscious and aware of our present state can only open the field of observation into the reality beyond which we perceive.

As my soul becomes more and more present, I feel as if I am an observer of this incredible story called life.

and I think Donetella has said it beautifully ..
"When we will have reached critical mass and will be meditating collectively, coherence and incoherence will be notions of the past. It will be normal to know our subtle bodies and to be aware of our connection to the universe. "
-Donatella

Let the symphony begin!

Geeta,

thank you! I will introduce this in my group meditation tonight!

Thank you for your words!

Namaste,
Suzanne

"Just as the material world is connected invisibly at the quantum level, the subtle world is connected by a field of consciousness. A prayer, a desire to be healed, a wish for peace, hope for reassurance about the dead--each impulse enters the field of consciousness and is responded to, just as every material event enters the quantum field and is responded to, down to the least quark and photon." ~ Deepak Chopra

Amen!

"The problem about living a connected life isn't the opposition of science or skepticism. The problem is that the subtle level of Nature, being invisible and explored one person at a time, has not revealed itself in a very organized way. Consciousness is still a cottage industry. As such, there is a wild mixture of truth and speculation, projection and verification. Anyone's experience could be real or imaginary. Anyone's explanation could be valid or eccentric." ~ Deepak Chopra

Very interesting and wise!

"For a new world view to emerge it must be coherent. It cannot be built up from entirely personal experiences, because sometimes these experiences are so intense that we can't see beyond them." ~ Deepak Chopra

Love it! Okay, I had to laugh at myself when I the example that followed the quote above.

"A culture of consciousness is possible. ... One can foresee the next culture of consciousness based on connections, which would overturn the whole scientific prejudice against the subtle body, invisible realities, and the primacy of consciousness in general." Deepak Chopra

God I hope so!

I love you Deepak! Thank you for caring enough to sharing your wisdom, even in the darkness, as the clouds can be thick, but the sun always shines through.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Love,
Char

If I am alone and I cry right now, who will hold my hand? .... this is my God.

Through God, we are connected to all things.

This is my dream and my reality, as I think it's all the same anyway.

#NAME?

Recently Dalai Lama gave a lecture at the Annual Conference of Society for Neuroscience.. at the behest of Richard Davidson - the Neuroscience prof at Univ or Wisconsin, Madison.

Davidson and his team have performed experiments and tests on Monks.. and have come to the conclusion that COMPASSION can be enhanced just like muscles can be..

I have blogged on this subject (http://www.drishtikone.com/?q=node/930) .. where in the end I touch upon the negative societal atmosphere that comes to bear on such endeavors!

This Davidson's study does give us some hope in society!

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Yes! Enhance compassion yes!

Geeta,

That is why ownership of thoughts, "intellectual property," is such a bogus concept in and of itself.

I mean, if I have a beautiful thought, that brings out beautiful thoughts, higher thinking, creativity, in you, my fellow comrade in life.

It seems to me that thought has then 'paid off' a hundredfold, and it didn't cost anybody a dime.

Freedom personified

Thesis proposal for History 550 rejected, "the end of times is here"

Damn. What is a prophet to do???

Love and Peace all

"Histriography."

We do not learn from our history, why in the heck would one want to study it, let alone making an 'art' form out of it . . .

Ok, sour grapes, sorry.

Be thankful, thankful, thankful

Re-proposal: America's Manifest Destiny; Religious delusion as seen from beneath a sulphurous fiery lake.

Ok, I have to work on this one . . .

Love all

the connection of everything in the universe to everything else can only be imagined if

1. it began from a single source(like our basic consciousness, named Mosc in my book - Matter of supersymmetric or subtantial or spiritual category depending upon whether you are a scientists, a philosophers or a mystics/religious people respectively)

2. it is organisd by a single organising force(superforce of the big bang)

3. it is organised through a single, common medium (like our mind, named Movc or Matter of virtual category in my book)

4. it is governemd by a single/common scheme of things or formula.

this is what my book self designed universe is all about.

try to imagine it otherwise if you can. you just cannot. for to be related/connected is to have things in common and only the above things can be in common.

thank you.

Thank you, Harb!
:)
~ Kate

k, :)

you are always there at my heart whether or not you respond to my posts or i to yours...

we all are connected but some are most deeply connected, we belong there.

harb

Dear Desh,
Thanks for sharing the study and experiments by Davidson.
Where do you think Compassion resides inside a human being. It's not in the muscles - is it? :) Does it fall in the realm of the invisible? Yet, compassionate acts can be very visible!
How do the monks create and enhance compassion? By intention? - which as Deepak says, can make wishes and dreams come true.
Love,
~ Kate

and Desh, where within the four categories you mention, do you reside?

# Four is for me, ideal, because experience is the most profound teacher. Books and seminars, classes, practices, teachers - can point you in a direction, but then,
look out!
Life happens,
and Truth becomes revealed.
or not.
It just depends...


Dear Harb,
It is that we meet, in Rumi's field, where the fragrance of flowers blooming is intoxicating, and we cannot escape Love's bliss, and in our connectedness we delight in this knowing. We have discovered Peace sublime.

You have given so much to intent, in sharing you life and written words. dear Harb, thank you, merci beaucoup, dearest
With love,
~ Kate

k, can you imagine tears coming to my eyes on reading your post...

no more words...

Then just know, dear Harb
I am reaching my hands to you, and
I will catch every tear ....
~ Kate
oh Harb

Kate:

How are you doing?

" How do the monks create and enhance compassion? By intention?"

Precisely! But what is important to note is that just as car driving which is an instinct to us now over the years was once a voluntary action during our days of learning.... the movement of emotional energy in our neurons and even the movement in the muscles of our heart - which though "beyond our will" seemingly.. can become voluntary.. a WILFUL ACT! THAT is the most important conclusion in scientific terms from Davidson's tests. A re-affirmation of Swami Vivekananda's quote.

"where within the four categories you mention, do you reside?"

I personally have not experienced the most profound of experiences... but have seen glimpses of interconnectedness in many "incarnations" and I believe in it from that evidence. To me it makes total logical sense.

So I guess I am in Category 3 as of now.

The idea of categories is to understand the "Typology of the Keepers of COnsciousness" in our society. Not all of us are on the same page. Sometimes, you do feel if its worth debating this issue with ones in category 1?

This is something that I would love to get a response from our esteemed blogging Doc - the "heavy D"! :-)

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Hello Deepak and Everyone,

How are we connected?

The other day I was sitting at a table with folks, having dinner, and someone said, "I went for a walk today and I wished I had someone to walk with, I don't like to walk alone." As she was saying this I was looking at her and a thought went through my head that she doesn't realize that she wasn't walking alone.

What do I mean?

Who was the one saying she did not want to walk alone?

When she is walking with someone who is experiencing the companionship? Who is not lonely? Who is lonely?

I got a real sense of her not realizing herSELF and more than that I got a real sense of consciousness not experiencing itSELF. A consciousness that is looking without for company because it does not know who it is. Am I making any sense? It was really a moment for me and I cannot stop contemplating this picture in my head of a consciousness speaking to the universe of it's lonliness, a consciousness wondering. For a moment I didn't see my friend, meaning I didn't see the personality, I saw the consciousness behind the personality, the consciousness that we are and we share. Anyway, it was exciting to see and to contemplate.

Who is the one who doesn't want to be alone?
Who is the one that wants company?
Who is the one?

Dear Deepak Chopra,
We follow all your postings on this blog and I would like to ask for your permission to translate some of them into Spanish. The reason is that our organization has a website in Spanish where we discuss the exisiting scientific evidence about some spiritual topics like the afterlife, reincarnation, etc.
Our website is:
http://www.SociedadEspiritistaCubana.com/
(The Cuban Spiritualist Society, based on the works of Allan Kardec).
Please reply,
Blessings,
Ulysses
Email: webmaster@sociedadespiritistacubana.com

Dear Ruth, I hear what you are saying, sure understand the spiritual implications,
mmhn..
had a 'fun' day in court today today,
always 'fun' for contrast, human beings 'doing'..
the Law of anti-Giving..;) or conditioning?
I highly recommend everybody, a trip to the nearest McToga, every now and then, the stories, the suspense, the Ego's.. facinating stuff..better than hollywood! ;)

anyhow,
on the subject,
How We Are Connected
I would say, by this very moment, all of us,
right now.., how did we end up in each others micro-cosmos, here and now..wow..

Who is the one who doesn't want to be alone?
Who is the one that wants company?
Who is the one?
Posted by: ruth

What is a dream?
Why does one have one?

With Love, Passion,

Dear Suzanne,
Thanks for your comment.
How often do you lead meditation groups? Being this one of the most powerful tools we have for reaching critical mass, what you are doing is wonderful.
Namaste

Dear Ruth,
I agree. We are never alone. We are ONE. I am about to go for a walk. I am fortunate to live sorrounded by woods, rivers and waterfalls.

And Desh, I'll exercise also my compassion.

Love,
Donatella


"And Desh, I'll exercise also my compassion"

:-) sure Donatella... maybe Dr. DC's Peace Cells can have a small "Compassion Gym" on the side - where the compassion enthusiasts can bulk up their empathy and compassion using the steroids of meditative inputs! :-)

Now, my next question to Dr. DC and others:

Just as its rather unfair to let an 80 pound skinny guy with just about enough muscle to help him stand - go into the ring and fight a boxer like Mike Tyson at his best..

.. is it fair for anhy of us to expect someone who HAS NOT "bulked" up the compassion muscle enough to radiate it like Dalai Lama does.. to go and "be" compassionate in every action or field? Will such a person even survive?

Without adequate wherewithal being delivered to the common man - compassion and peace cannot be an expected outcome in the normal
world. In fact, I argue that its indeed CRIMINAL to even suggest that it happen without adequately preparing the minds!

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Whoa, it looks like Simone has been stirring the pot again looking to pick a fight with a few young lads. Have you been over indulging in that neighbourhood pub again, Simone?

Seriously, such practice can be detrimental to your health and well-being! Has your ego been bruised again, Simone?

Whoahahahahaha......!

Of course, this leads to the question - CAN YOU FORCE learning of compassion on anyone? Or does it require motivation from the people?

What if - like the scientist that I talk about in my blog (http://www.drishtikone.com/?q=node/930) - Yi Rao - do not even BELIEVE that compassion is learnable - the Quintessential Category Oners!?

That is why in my first post I argue that the Categories 3 and 4 need to be strengthened to build a "critical mass" of demonstrable evidence in human kind that its possible and practiced.

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

to go and "be" compassionate in every action or field? Will such a person even survive?
Posted by: Desh

;)
I do not know in what kinda fairytale world you all live in, but let me give you an insight into
the wonderfull everyday living in a universe parallel to yours..;)

That's why we have Laws, my dear, so that the big fish don't eat the small ones..;)

What's Love got to do with it?
It's all about the money!
and Ego-worship,

Love, Peace Passion

pearls strung together in oneness...personally, i do not even see the ego as a negative manifest...it enables such beautiful connects of islands within the oneness...gives the oneness its varieties and hues....in extrenal manifest....the great play....each wave in teh ocean playing with another even as it realises its basic identity...

Of course, this leads to the question - CAN YOU FORCE learning of compassion on anyone? Or does it require motivation from the people?
Posted by: Desh

good question!
here's my 2 cts..,
PAIN!! MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF, EGO-DEVESTATING, PAIN,
(offcourse, the group of 'enlightend' 'souls', aside, who achieve that point in their evolution(s) on their owns..(or had the (mis)fortune of good upbringing)

You can lead the horse to the water,
but you can't make him drink!

The free-will doctrine..,
she can be a b* ! ;)
or does that fall under the 'realms' of 'awareness'..?

With Love, (com)Passion, ;)

some interesting shares on compassion...to me , comnpassion, love and joy are parameters of awareness and witnessing consciousnesses beyond mind realms....i see the mind as a faculty incapable of joy and love and such other nuances...this is not to condemn the mind...it is a beautiful faculty to be used in functional flows...

Dave, thank you. I will look for your comment in a day or to. May all your desires manifest.

Donatella, I loved your comment above. Thanks.I do not teach meditation. Right now I am going through a rough phase in my life, and my mind is cluttered. I do Reiki meditation. God bless.

Suzanne, thanks.God bless.

Craig, thanks. God bless.

Of course, this leads to the question - CAN YOU FORCE learning of compassion on anyone? Or does it require motivation from the people?
Posted by: Desh

Made me think,
Seen all kinds of 'dog-eat-dog' 'activities',
but I must say, seeing and hearing, the 'casu'
of relationships, and the games people play...

or is that ignorance? and the bills come later?
not in the sense of 'to pay' but, in the sense of, 'what have I missed out on' by, the what's in it for me? and the rest can ..(censored ;)

Love, Peace, Gyan Shakti and (com) Passion,

Some Chassidic wisdom to share that someone sent me today:

The Dream
---------

You build a dream house.

You start with a dream. The dream becomes a plan. The plan becomes a lot of dirty work. The dirty work becomes a house. If you are successful, it is the house of your dreams.

Dream, plan, dirty work, success. Why is this the fundamental strategy of all human endeavor? Because it is the story of the universe.

Those who can feel the dream, those who can read the plan, they see we are now at the finishing touches.


Donatella,

Yes, I agree. I look at it as one person at a time with a HUGE trickle affect:-) I hold a group once a week in my home. My friend and I are working on a community family project that will bring families together for meditation too.

Have a wonderful day!

I know this is off topic a bit - but its a news item that I found VERY INTERESTING from Indian Standpoint!

A few IITians - with Masters from US and Australia have started a political party in Jodhpur with the aim to connect to that core.. that we are all talking about..

Here is the blog post: http://www.drishtikone.com/?q=node/932

Pardon me for self-promotion of the blog.. but the intention is more to share the news..

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

on that note,
Neale Donald Walsh is starting his own Holy Crusade for a new Humanity or..
A place called Camelot

http://www.nealedonaldwalsch.com/blog_posting.cfm?bid=217

"How about some concrete examples Neale, on how this approach will be used regarding terrorism & nuclear bombs, nuclear energy, nuclear waste?"

By "this approach," Marko is referring to something I have been talking about here for a while now---The Group of 1000. That is a group of spiritual leaders that I am forming around the world. (If you would like more information about it, you simply have to drop an email to TheGroupOf1000@aol.com and ask for it.)

Sign up people, spread some love..;)

Love, Peace, Passion

Donatella, I have had prophetic dreams that have come true. I have had dreams that were probably past lives. I astrally travel in my dream state.

So, I believe in your prophetic dreams, and dreams of past lives. Ignore the people who criticize you. Share your thoughts with us believers.

Cherrylane,don't feel bad if Deepak does not interact. All of us bloggers wish for him to interact. But some times there are 200 comments. He may not have the time. Mallika says he does read the comments.Some times he answers some of the bloggers' questions in his next post.
Also, may be he feels it is unfair to answer one question and not the next.This is my observation.From reading his books I feel that he is very caring and compassionate.

Dear bloggers I wish, all of us were open minded, and respected each others opinions, even when we do not agree with each other. I wish all of us tried not to intentionally hurt anyone.God bless.

Einstein gave us Special, and later General Theory of Relativity (how big things work). Some other great thinkers came along with Quantum Mechanics (about the very small). So far nobody could come up with a convincing theory that combines the two although some “String Theorists” might disagree with that statement!

When we finally are able to combine the two we will have found the elusive TOE (Theory Of Everything). Scientist use words like “Reality”, “Truth”, “Fact” etc. and they mean it. They don’t drop words like “Quantum Level” in a casual manner into their writings in order to make them “science like”.

Deepak makes some wonderful connections but we end up with the need for “believing” a lot and for many of us that’s hard to do. Also Deepak lost a lot of credibility when he told us that we can all bend metal with our minds.

Too bad!

Here is a quote from one of the great thinkers of our time:

You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe. [Carl Sagan]

Deepak's writings remind me of Michelangelo, who used to say that he doesn't sculpt, but that he liberates his statues from the block of marble surrounding them. That's what Deepak does, he reveales the truth hidden behind confusion.

Deepak, you said "for a new world view to emerge it must be coherent." To that I would add that it must also be dynamic.
One well-researched worldview, that I for the most part subscribe to, is Process Philosophy (www.ctr4process.org). Please check out the link.
Thank you.

"That's what Deepak does, he reveales the truth hidden behind confusion," Aurora Carlson.

I suppose everyone is entitled to an opinion!

I read this post with interest. It was a pleasure to see so much of the 'hidden' facts of life listed simply. Yes, so many of us experience these phenomena - it reminds me of a blog of Deepak's on the term 'New Age' - the exact words he used will be in the post here in the archives - but something like ...although often disparaged the term New Age is the best there is for the mass of people globally who are engaged in exploring in their own lives beyond the staus quo in religion and science.

Deepak if you read this - thank you for taking 'the first steps' and being the spiritual leader and educator/healer that you are...

love Colette

Are We Connected Through Subtle Bodies - Souls?

http://ravikopra.blogspot.com/2006/01/are-we-connected-by-subtle-bodies.html

Does Ravi Copra make more sense than Deepak Chopra?

Richard Thomas,

Did I understand you correctly? Are you claiming to be the re-incarnation of Albert Einstein?

Albert: I thought that was you! And you thought you could come back in as some non-chalant genius hiding in the body of one Richard Thomas--no way are you going to ditch out on that bet we made about "The Theory of Everything"--you owe me money for that one, and you ain't skippin' town on this one again! N. Bohr ("Niels" that is--in case it's slipped your mind, since last we met!)

Hi Niels! "The Theory of Everything" is not such a big deal now.

The only problem is that, like the quantum theory, it too cannot be completely arrived at without taking the subjective or observer aspect of the grandunification into account. This means that only that person can really see/deliver it who himself has had the experience of that grandunification or oneness as well.

I can make a fair guess though what he will discover after going through that subjective experience of oneness or of grandunification.

He will discover that, just as we have united all the forces first to four and then to one (suppose), similarly, seen from the other or oneness or grandunification side The Theory of Everything will comprise now of separating away of all those forces. As simple as that.

If I can hazard a guess I think some Eastern man will get at it in this way. They are adept at seeing things from that oneness point, which is in fact how and why they already discovered zero.

Thanks for Remembering though.

PS: I have now direct contact with God, Who once ridiculed me for my banning anything moving beyond the speed of light. He showed me how I could be instaneously in touch with Him at all times, that is at infinite speed if you will. If you are really interested I can ask Him to give me a hint as to the identity of that Eastern man if he is already there somewhere. Then you can contact him and satisfy yourself as to how God really does not play dice with the world.

Harb

OK I'll bite. Please go ahead and ask God who this eastern guy he is, never mind getting just a hint. While your talking to him, could you also find out if Richard really is Einstein. Let us know what he says.

Thanks,
Stan

lol stan, that is a secret between me and richard. i cannot say anything about it. but i can give you an idea of that eastern man. just open the link below and read a reader mieke's review of the book there.

try to relate that to what 'Einstein' has said above about the theory of everything and see if you can find some truth there. at the barest minimum you can find that god does not play dice with the world.

but be warned! though the link contains the serious material, all this also is in good humor, if you are likely to take it otherwise you can ignore everything i said above. thanks all the same either way.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1857565975/qid%3D1138183913/203-7700541-2163930

Thanks Harb,

Don't worry I have a fine sense of humor. It is going to take me some time to assimilate all that you have written.I will be having some comments on your writing later if that's OK.

Kind Regards,
Stan

you are most welcome, stan.

sorry i could not make the link functional from here, you will have to cut and paste.

best wishes,
harb.

Well Stan, did I say that? I couldn't possibly be Eistein because his body ceased functioning and my name is Richard. I am sure the essence of what animated Einstein can be found in many places.

In order for me to be Enstein I would need to have all his memories intact and to have within me the sum of all his life experience.

I do have one memory though but who is to say what it really is.

That being said perhaps he put something in my mind or there is something exists still in essence, and that would still prove something.

Then again his essence is everywhere, we are talking about him.

I can say the ego will not like reality because it illustrates in perfection that we are one and not seperate.

At it again are you David?

Richard,

The following quote by you is what led to my question;

"Albert Einstein's greatest experiment has never been known to the world, for only after his death could it be completed and found.

I never shared it with anyone, so only I could know it, if once again earth bound."

The last paragraph states that you believe you have Einstein's memory of this experiment,because only "you" could know this experiment if once again you were re-incarnation ( earth bound).

The only "I" part of that statement kind of rules out your other statement about "all of us being one, and not separate"; otherwise anyone of "us" might also know it!.

Don't want to play any infinite word games here, but it seemed fairly clear that was what you meant.

You are undoubtedly an interesting and dynamic kind of guy Richard.

No Malice.

Kind Regards,

Stan

Stan, that is just a theory, not a claim nothing is for certain. But you are pretty smart with your deductive reasoning.

I thought I just did the whole thing about reincarnation being an illusion. If time doesn't exist how can you reincarnate?

Just the same what if Einstien was God leading himself on a journey?

Hi Deepak,
:) Its nice to read all this stuff, really. But a scientific enquiry into all these needs to be done. Lets test the things.
I'll use an unbiased coin. Toss it and i want 50 consecutive heads.
Probably you or any of those who believes in prayers (or that a connection with the virtual world can influence the material world), can connect to the virtual world and make 50 consecutive heads possible.
To avoid a possibility of hypnotism etc, I’ll do it at my place here, you can pray at your place.
Or one more test. I just thought of a word here, can you send me what I thought , since it should be possible to connect to my mind and find out the word. That would be a wonderful proof too.

Please note that I am an ardent follower of Advaita Vedanta and am a devotee of Hanuman. But am looking for scientific demonstrations of my beliefs. This is not a non-believer of God testing these things, I am a believer who sincerely wishes that all this be true, but wants a proof none the less.
Warm Regards
Udai Shankar

Really...

V

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