HURT FEELINGS
Kavita Chhibber - January 10, 2006
I just finished reading all of the posts to Kaveeta Kaul along with some other blogs. I have not been much on the blog the past few days as many of you know. It has been a bit rough because of the sudden diagnosis we had of my friends mom having a rare form of cancer. (Please do pray for her, especially all the reiki masters. Her name is Sudha.)
I have absolutely no problems with people bringing satire, tongue in cheek comments or even having heated discussions if they are done respectfully. But I have a problem when it becomes personal and derogatory.
I cannot reiterate enough, what I had written earlier about the power of the written and spoken word. It can be used to inspire, to heal, and to create loving vibrations. Om is considered the most powerful word in the Universe.
It can also be used to spread darkness, to destroy and to create bad blood…kingdoms have been destroyed when the king gave a command; an entire community was almost destroyed when Hitler spewed his venom.
In a lot of the emails I received directly, a few people told me they create a specific brash persona on intentblog these days, to protect themselves against some of the barbs. That was a very telling statement.
So my question to all of you is- does the one who talks the loudest have to necessarily be the wisest? Is kicking ass, as another poster wrote a really gratifying way of discussion and is it really productive?
My personal perception is that pretty much most people here want a good discussion and a positive space to have that discussion in. My dream about intent was that it should be different from other blogs-it should be a space that every one should come to with joy after a long day’s work. I always smiled when I saw this particular column in one of the magazines I read off and on..It talks about someone’s “ AHA” moment. For me that moment is anything from taking a deep breath and letting go, of my first sip of a delicious cup of tea, but it happens most often when I read something positive and inspiring enough to say “AHA –That’s amazing.”
The talent I see on this blog is pretty mind boggling-so is the knowledge, wisdom, the ability to love and to forgive. Why should there be a situation where someone like Kaveetaa, and she isn’t the only one, has to leave, hurt and disappointed. Why can’t this space be like a garden that we can nurture wisely, with humor, yes even sarcasm, but with love, respect and compassion?
In the past week, I came here just to make sure I was acknowledging people who had written on my blog or responding to something that caught my eye among the comments on the main page. However, I was sent emails, regularly, asking me to go back and read some of the comments, by angry posters who write here. Many wrote in recently saying they are disgusted and not returning, especially after reading the comments on women. I was telling Mallika that it is getting exhausting to go back to the blog because it is usually preempted by someone sending me emails complaining about something they perceive as mean spirited or vicious.
More than making me angry it has saddened me. When I read derogatory comments on women for instance, I wonder if we forget that it’s our mother and people like her that we dishonor indirectly. I come from a family, where the female child was considered precious and much loved, and it was not just because the women were strong role models but because the men in the house were raised to treat women with respect. My father lost his father at 8 and his mother was his hero. When I was growing up I remember all my brothers being told-treat other women as you want some one to treat your mother or your sister. As a result, my brothers started thinking about consequences and ended up treating women with tremendous respect, never gossiping about their exes, many of whom showed up as friends at their wedding
I have to add also that majority of the men I have met are incredibly kind, respectful and compassionate, especially the ones currently in their teens, twenties and early thirties who are raised here. Perhaps it is because they have seen their mothers working hard, handling the home and family, or perhaps it is because their girl friends and wives are self reliant, well educated and will not put up with disrespect from them. I would also like to believe that it is because their fathers are kind, compassionate men, who appreciate the contributions their wives make in their lives and the lives of their children.
I have found the statement that when you educate the girl child you educate an entire family, to be very true, but to see grown men write derogatory stuff about women was pretty bemusing, and offensive, to say the least.
Also I think most issues that seem to rub people the wrong way have just one underlying theme..the perceived disrespect involved during a discussion which then turns into a personal attack. The problem with emails and blogs is you can’t see the body language of the person and at times well intentioned posts come across as ego driven stuff, just because the words used aren’t spoken in person.
I continue to hope that all of you who come here will consider this your own personal space and give the people who visit here the same thought and consideration that you would give your own loved ones. I do feel that we are a cyber family and even if we weren’t, as someone wrote on one of my blogs-don’t say something you can’t say to the person if you were in the same room as them.
As I see my friend’s mother in what could be the fight of her life, I realize life is too short for negativity and petty squabbles. Ten days ago she was getting ready to go trousseau shopping for her daughter’s impending marriage and enjoy a much deserved vacation in India with her family and friends. Ten days later, her life has changed forever as has that of her loved ones. I rarely see my friend in tears, and yesterday was one of those days. We already have a full plate in our jet-set, stressful lives where we are trying to fit in so much in 24 hours. Why add to it by bringing in empty, irrelevant noise?
Kaveetaa, and others who have left-I hope you will find the generosity to forgive, and continue to enrich this space. If not I know you will continue to do so elsewhere. I’m just grateful my path crossed yours on this space and I know you and I will stay in touch.
I will end with, two favorite literary pieces that have inspired some of my aha moments
“ Caring for one another, we sometimes glimpse an essential quality of our being. We may be sitting alone, lost in self-doubt, or self pity, when the phone rings with a call from a friend who’s really depressed. Instinctively, we come out of ourselves, just to be there with her and say a few reassuring words. When we’re done, and a little comfort’s been shared, we put down the phone and feel a little more at home with ourselves. We are reminded of who we really are and what we have to offer one another.”- Ram Dass and Paul Gorman
and
“ Some seem to be born with a nearly completed puzzle.
And so it goes.
Souls going this way and that
Trying to assemble myriad parts.
But know this. No one has within themselves
All the pieces to that puzzle.
Like before the days when they used to seal
Jigsaw puzzles in cellophane. Insuring that
All the pieces were there.
Everyone carries with them, at least one and probably
Many pieces to someone else’s puzzle.
Sometimes they know it.
Sometimes they don’t.
And when you present your piece
Which is worthless to you,
To another, whether you know it or not,
Whether they know it or not,
You are a messenger from the Most High.”
Lawrence Kushner
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Posted by Kavita Chhibber at January 10, 2006 06:33 AM
Comments
Dorinda,
kindly read the post carefully. I simply believe that the same thing can be said as well without taking potshots at others. I see no relevance in hurting anyone's feelings or making people feel bad.
Having said that, you are entitled to your opinion. And btw silence and darkness is hardly what I see here :)Thanks also for saying I put it beautifully so all is not lost!
love and best wishes
Kavita,
Are you referring to Sudha Koul, the author of "Curries without Worries"?
She seemed very healthy and upbeat when I last met her a few months back.
Do confirm if it is she.
No Ravi,
this is the mother of a good friend of mine who lives in the midwest. I'm not giving out her last name as many members of her family back home dont know yet, but I got her son's permission to mention her name here. I believe tremendously in the power of prayer, and wanted people to keep her in their thoughts.
Dear Kavita...I was on a refreshing break. I read this blog of yours and a few others posts.
You can count me somewhere on the top of the list when it comes to Treating women. I'm a Worshipper of Femininity and motherhood. But....today I'll speak a little abt the darker side of it. I'm sure u do acknowledge there is one with women just like men.
When women themselves do not have that femininity in them....where they come out as masculine and Egoistic...a question mark arises. Do they really deserve that respect? When you talk abt spirituality and personal growth....one has got to be open. Honestly, I hope you trust my Integrity on this one....I see lot of women in today's era and on this blog, where the Woman puts the Shutters down nicely, and throws it onto the other party as nasty and derogatory. Only if She cud see herself in the mirror with complete honesty. Sure....I'm the last person to entertain nasty energies...but you know, if someone is Really honest...they cud deflect that Nasty energy and see if there is Truth in it or not. Tanzan and Navin are Spot on most of the time...and personally I don't think they have nasty energies. Most of the time I've seen... Women don't have the courage to see their flaws.
It's a Little painful for me to write like this abt Women....but....there are times when one has to. I Worship Women, so think abt it carefully...What I write here is Valid and Truthful or not.
Love...Sachin
Dear Kavita! Bravo for your courage to speak out about this obvious issue's occuring here at IntentBlog.
I dont think it is a matter of being comfortable in your own skin, Dorinda, good for you if you are! The fact remains, people are making personal, and derogatory remarks about women here; if it has not been done to you; then you cannot possible understand the implications of the impact.
I find it rather disturbing myself as a middle-aged women, to see married men here, flirting with women, married women, young girls? Comeon, decency begins with each individual. I get emails from women, tired of being flirted with, and tired of being begged for their pictures...go to a damned date-site if this is what men want, not here!
I'm quite saddened to see Kaveeta so agitated the only course, was to leave..that says a lot; and it's not about her either..it says a lot about the men here, and how they are dis-respecting female members.
Well done, Kavita, nobody could have put it any better than you did, my admiration is yours!
North
Thank you Sachin,
I know you are a genuine person, and I'm sorry that you perceive some of the women the way you have, or that you have had some negative experiences. However if you read the specific comments posted about women and female foeticide by Tanzan, I see nothing " spot on" there.
I have no illwill against him, or Marek, I just feel they must show some thoughtfulness in what they put here. Tanzan has also decided not to post and that is another person lost. All this could have been avoided.
In any case the comment on women was one recent post that was pointed out to me, and my focus here is to not sing praised of women or deride men. As I mentioned most men I know are wonderful people.
My focus here is that while we don't want to live in la laland as Dorinda correctly pointed out, I see no reason to be nasty, or disrespectful. You have been upset by some women because something about them made you uncomfortable. People lash out or get hurt when that discomfort level becomes too intense to bear. Otherwise most of us tend to ignore things.
Thanks North.
north, i second you entirely if personal spaces have been violated via blogspaces..sad to hear that...
What you say is Spot on Kavita! I enjoy communicating when someone like you for instance knows who I'm(Of course not totally). I said Tanzan and Navin are spot on most of the time, not all of the time. I agree with what you highlighted, that isn't the way to go. Do you See and Agree with what I highlighted?
Sach baath kartha hoon main!! Ithna yaad rakhna. There is nothing above Truth! No woman, no friend, no guru. What you told me, The same applies to you Dear Kavita....you've seen the pleasant sides of those of whose unpleasant sides I've seen.
So...from your angle you're right and I can easily SEE that...question is Can you see my angle and SEE what I see? It's not a mere perception mind you.
Love...Sachin
Dear Sundar, yes this sort of harrassment has been occurring at intent. I think, the boil has popped; and this is the puss being spewed.
this behaviour of men, is a relevant topic, a real issue, and a tiring occurance for us women!
WE women, of modern times, in our equal-beings thinking; believe it is time for men, to mature in their attitudes and behaviours pertaining to the female gendered species "shared" with them.
WE are counter-parts, men and women. WE were made so specific to pro-create our species.
OUR failure as a species of intelligent, free-will beings; is that ego of the human essence, is a prominent and contentious shadow of our other half of ourselve's.
LIKE in Harb's book; it is all a yin and yang envelope; contents to be viewded, when opened.
WE develope with the universe; we mold, we shape, we form; to conform to our universe. AS these beings; somewhere, a task was given US, to balance always, two things! To go one way or the other, meant unbalancing the delicate scales of emotions and detachments.
WE as a species of intelligent beings; must learn to view each other in a sense of non-gendered roles in todays modern society.
The time has come; where our physical skin, must be the last thing looked at initially; because the value of a person does not necessarily reflect in their body, but rather of course as we all know; it's our "thinking selve's" which are the true source of beauty and worth.
I can't quite put into words what I am trying to express; but, I have tried to be a good student with every teacher that comes towards me on my path.
However; a part of my lesson as a woman; is to stop bad teachers from invading my female identity; and rather see me instead, as a fellow reflection.
North
There is one thing; that would be a granted wish/desire/manifest-intention for me; is to see men, see women - as equal.
I wish, men could see women as so precious; they would do anything to protect them from predators.
I wish, men could see women, as jewels, in this nile of universal stage, we all are embarked upon together.
I wish, men could see women, as the source of human life-existance. Without women, men would cease to exist.
I wish, men could see women/me, without breasts, big eyes and long lash's, without seeing our/my hour-glass figure, without breathing in my personal perfume.
I wish, men could see my Spirit; because then, they would see, we have no breast, no lash's, no waist. WE have no height, no gender, no specific intelligence or superiority. WE are just like men, in opposite forms to pro-create human flesh, to exist in this realm.
IF men, could see women as a light; just like their light; oh my..we would be making rainbows, without need of rain.
North
"I know that you and several others are upset and hurt about our decision not to filter comments, particularly hurtful ones by Tanzan and others."
~Mallika
I will make no comments on this blog. So I appeal to all of you to please come here and share your thoughts. Many times it is more fun for me to read what you write than for me to write something for you to read. My writings might shut your thinking, but your writings do inspire me to think and write.
So please do not run away from this forum. I might put such reminders on other blogs for from time to time to remind you all of my intention in good faith.
Happy postings
Tanzan Senzaki
Sachin,
I had to answer your post before I head out. Frankly we all see what we want to see, and we all perceive things based on our experiences.
Some of the people you've had bad experiences with, I have experienced nothing else but love, loyalty and support from. They have asked me for nothing else in return, so my experience has been positive. It has been the same with you..In spite of some people writing to me about you, I have seen nothing but support and kindess from you.I prefer not to believe what others say and go by my own personal interaction with people. I also prefer to believe that every one is well intentioned, and that its not people but circumstances that make us behave the way we do.
The devil and the divine all reside within us..its what we face that makes one or the other emerge.
North, you are a gem of a woman and I hope and pray my lady that very soon you come across some of the wonderful men I have had the good fortune of meeting..heck I'm going to drag some of them across the border just so you can be pampered, one of these days!
love to all of you..
nice, one, North,
agree, in Spirit or in Law (on paper..),
Too bad, the Ego games people play..
on both sides,
take a trip to a divorce lawyer, they always have
'fun' anekdotes to share..
Nonetheless, I can scream and shout, bout the Ego
female games, the reality (in my reality, offcourse, totally subjective, ;) speaks for itself, after a certain of years, female domination takes over, for the good or bad,
Relationships, the final frontier,
To go, baldly where..;)
With Love, Passion and (male) emancipation,
Is there men whom can see women, the way I describe above, because when I meat that kind of man, that is when I will want a man in my life again.
I ask everyone; are they all still on Mars?
Because I left Venus long ago, and came to earth in the quest to find one like I wish for(giggle)- a substantially mature male, without need of reminding the female, he is male and of greater importance, in any regard.
I must have wished on an awful far-away, or weak star, as a little girl in my future-vision for myself, and for women as a whole.
WE males and females are equal human beings.
I cannot tolerate another man in my life, whom would prefer me to be one iota less in important, just to save his face in the eyes of other men.
humbug, or am I off-season here?
North
Dear Kavita,
I missed most of the blog you are referring to regarding women so I can't really comment specifically. But I wanted to tell you some of what I heard you saying:
I hear you saying that you have high hopes for this community to be able to nurture and support each other. And that you have a need for respect and a certain amount of emotional saftey here and that you felt disturbed, angry, and sad reading comments that you perceived to be attacking other members or to be derrogatory to women. And that although you value honesty and want others to express themselves freely and honestly, you are asking the members of the community to please remember the power our words can have to uplift or to harm. And to please refrain from saying something that they would not be able to look a dear friend in the eyes and say face to face.
Is that what you meant or did I read alot into it? If that is what you are saying I promise to always try and remember the power of my words. And please forgive me when/if I forget myself. But also please let me know if I ever cross the line and either with awareness or not, hurt someone else.
Love, Kristin
Marek the polish Prince,
you have brought a lot of joy and laughter in my life, with your mischievious and fun loving spirit, but, as penance for your mischief on another blog, I would greatly appreciate a genuine ode in appreciation of the stronger sex 9the one that is likely to dominate, hopefully for the good)..the hand that rocks the cradle does rule the world you know!
Dear Kristin,
thank you for your post. You are a beautiful woman inside and out and have it right-except for one thing..my hope is that none of us need to tell the others where we are crossing lines and wounding someone. It must come from within.
have fun but dont leave bleeding hearts across this space..there is so much I look forward to learning here and sharing here...from everyone.
Aww, thanks people(blush)! Kavita, if you can use my posts in any regard, please do; not sounding vain, I hope it is not taken that way in any way; but, I just re-read my heart whispers in some pretty long-held, deep secreted ways; and it's beauty I've come to suppress, made such a light just now, I am shaking like one does when in a monor state of shock. eeeeeeeek! lol Hurray! NOW< I know<--what I want!
North
LOL,
indeed, Kavita, that is a fact, totally agree with you, and indeed,
you are the stronger sex, nothing I can do about that, besides some good legal advise to the
unwise and unemancipated male Surfs..,
(I got stories, dear, you wont believe..;) witches, evil stepmothers, unwanted kids and all kinds of un-positive vibes law subjects do extend..;)
on the games and war(s) people play,
Love you dear, and everybody else here though,
in my book, you are all gold! big hearts,
(but, a stand sometimes (had to be) made, it's a law thing, to help the un-equals..read male surfs, you chicks rule the emotional intuition field! that's more powerfull, than money, or power!
With Love, Passion,
Hi Tanzan,
When you first started posting here I did not understand where you were coming from. But I was beginning to understand - some of the time. And sometimes I agree and sometimes not. And even when I don't understand or don't agree I respect and value your presence.
So I hope you feel comfortable responding or not responding as the spirit moves you because I think it is important for you to be here.
Between you and I... Some of us were born with the "nice and proper chip." We are not too blunt. But that gets boring and we secretly want to throw off our clothes and do a lot of improper dancing.
But don't tell anyone I said that, Tanzan. It can be our secret. ;)
Love, Kristin
Kavita, good points!
I must run; been on for hours as one could see, and I am burning up and down my spine in retaliation from my body though my mind has a had a great stretch!
Off to stretch out the kinks of my links; big, group hug!
Kavita, I copied my posts for my own personal future-referencing about what "this woman" wants(smiles.)
but, I think ultimately every post that is posted here, belongs to IntentBlog?
any copyright insight on posts at intent? who owns them once posted here?
Not thinking/believing my posts were great; but, they could be used by me, so just wondering?? lol
North
Dear Kavita - I appreciate your concern in general but I tend to agree with Dorinda. I prefer derogatory remarks about women rather than a moral injunction that such remarks not be made. This is a forum to exchange ideas and rather than appeal to sentiments we should appeal to reasoning and logic. Many people don't like women and they should be allowed to have their say, even if they say female foeticide has its benefits. Anyway, that was instantly shot down by Vijay and that's part of the game.
Having said this, I did appreciate Mallika's post telling Tanzan to cool it simply because he was just about the most obnoxious person on this blog. In fact you picked up on this fact sooner that I did. But you did mess it all up by turning around and telling the same worst offenders how charming and intelligent they are. What's up with that? Are you trying to demonstrate you are nice and forgiving? Why go overboard and encourage such people?
Also, you have a habit of coming to the defense of a *person* rather than their *position* on an issue. I find this rather unsettling as there is something very cliquey about it. For those of us who are here just to exchange ideas, it is specially disconcerting. Of course you're entitled to do whatever you please, but do have the humility to recognize that others may find your own approach troubling and do not wish to be moralized at by such people.
Last but not least, you do tend to lash out in a very harsh manner yourself and are hardly qualified to tell the rest of us to cool it.
I guess I better mention since it probably hasn't come through in all of the above, I'm pretty much on your side in wishing that we could try and avoid the negativity.
Dear Kavita,
you said that your hope "is that none of us need to tell the others where we are crossing lines and wounding someone. It must come from within."
Are you saying that it is possible for me to always know when I have hurt someone else with a comment?
I disagree. We each respond differently to different words.
And for myself it is part of growing as a human being to be able to tell someone else that something they have said or done has created pain within me -- and at the same time for me to remember that it was not really the other person who created my pain. They were only the trigger. So I can look you in the eyes and say "that hurt" and ask you to please stop - and feel no shame in that. But I also know that my feeling hurt is my own and not up to anyone else to fix.
Love, Kristin
Kavita.... You said "We all see what we want to see". Blanket statement! Who told you I see what I want to?? So far from the truth. I'm Crazy abt Dear Deepak....but when someone like Tanzan or Navin point out as they did...the chinks in the Awesome man. I see it even if it is to my dislike...but I can't deny that. I like to see the complete picture...which you people are not able to. This is where Bias and Objectivity come into play.
People talk so nasty abt Dear Deepak...Do I get my Shutters down?? Do I want to live in denial? No way!! Once that nasty energy is deflected, I see lot of truth(Negative comments abt the Great man). I don't like turning a Blind eye. You seem to do that when your people are talked abt, (don't forget I'm very fond of Kaveetaa's writings)but when someone points out something negative abt her like the way they do for Dear Deepak, I don't deny...If I deny I'll be in pain in the long run. You talked abt Constructive criticism Kavita...Here it is for you and some of the women. How they can't see the Complete spectrum abt a person....and just blindly support.
Love...Sachin
Being only a teacher assistant(papered) I learned even before my learning "how to be a TA" that, a good teacher knows, not to cross those lines.
Ultimately, a good teacher is to support the students growth and thoughts; in that, the teacher grows too.
Ultimately, when the teacher forces a student to learn, prior to their cognitive leveled ability, too soon; then hence, a natural block is put up by the student.
Ultimately then is it not the students quest to learn from a good teacher...rather a forceful one?
A good teacher, would never force a student to stand naked in the mirror, to view themselves raw; when they are obviously not ready. Todays society, teaches "us" that this form of teaching is abusive and nature; and strips the student of identity and subjects them to ridicule.
THIS is what has been happening. Just because one person can handle being stripped; another might not.
This is where the teacher-student respect and acceptance is made. An agreement must be made prior to subjecting students to lessons of the teacher!
North
Divya,
thanks for your comments, and glad you agree with some of what I said.
I dont intend to be harsh,or condescending just as I'm sure you don't, or anyone else for that matter but perhaps it comes across that way from time to time. My apologies to everyone I may have rubbed the wrong way.
But just as you are trying to tell me something without staying quiet, I'm sure others including myself have every right to do so.
All of us think about things in a certain manner and we convey what we think. Nothing wrong in that.And so my opinon is my own and it stands along side Dorinda's and yours and every one else's.
I'm not sure if coming to the defence of a person is cliquish-we all have our personal favorites I think, and if that makes any of us cliquish then there are quite a few cliques out here-and that is fine too.
We will continue to make mistakes, and I hope we will all forgive..but is it necessay to perceive that if you say something in an obnoxious way, its more powerful or truthful than something said kindly?
Actually if I cut through everything you've said and just read the key words, you have said exactly what I have said..there should be freedom but you were glad Mallika called Tanzan on what he said and also you are on my side to avoid the negativity.
thank you for that
Excellent point Kristin. see I'm still learning. You are right.
Sachin, bullshit right to your face! I've seen you whine, cry and fight with the best of the worst here. You harrass women constantly, to the point they stop posting here!
Get off your high horse ego Sachin, before you spill your sexist self any further in such pathetic display as bite, say sorry, bite, say sorry. Pathetic man.
North
I've seen Kavita only stand up for women/men posting on this blog; that warranted defense against a person's regard as a person, and when boundaries were crossed of decency and sexual-harrassment!!
TO suggest a clique is ridiculous; I've seen Kavita stand up for both males and females!
When I stuck up for Kavita here once, we did not know each other whatsoever, same around, is how Kavita is.
People tend to stick up for issues/topics of contentious forms regardless of gender or personal friendship; to suggest pampering one over another is a little more than ludicrous, but also presumtuous and a negative seed.
North
Thanks Sachin,
you are right..let me rephrase. I see things from my own perspective and so far whatever I have seen about kaveeta kaul's writings, since you specifically mentioned her didnt rub me the wrong way. That is why some of the negativity that ensued surprised me. I really liked Navin's suggestion about having smiley faces. we will hopefully misunderstand less..
same thing with deepak or any other bloggers or posters..we gravitate towards those whose thoughts synchronize with ours and most of the posters are gracious enough to leave what doesnt jell at that moment..life is so transient and so are our thoughts and everything changes so quickly!
Its interesting how without knowing each other we form likes and dislikes just through what we write.
These cyber connections are really fascinating dont you think?
Okay I'm already late have to run..lots of love to all of you..
North just read your post..please let it go..love
Kavita....Ek saying hai "Keep your Ego above the truth and you'll always be in pain". If your Ego is really checked.....if one is in acceptance and not in resistance...question of pain, losing sleep don't arise. When one is in acceptance in humility...nothing can really hurt or agonise.
You know me well...will never write anything with a bad intention. It will only help in the long run.
Love..Sachin
but who's long-run Sachin? and at who's expense, for you to run your own personal race?
consider what you have just revealed about your mandate; and your eyes will be open just a little more, about a truth you deny yourself.
North
Kavita Dear...You underestimate cyber connections.
It's true there is a big downside to it, I agree. But I don't think you've an Idea of what it can do from a Spiritual perspective. It's the Right medium, where you're not influenced by the physical constitution. So often...the writings come from deep within and you can't miss those. Have you seen of Kate? I don't have to see the pic or hear the voice....I can so clearly see it coming from the Spirit...Unmistakable. One's frequency has to be tuned to that....if not, it will be blank.
So...tell me when you find time....How well you're taking the positive criticism?? Dekh rahi vho apne Dost ke Rang? Aur doosre ke bhi Asli rang dikha saktha hoon...Saath mein Apne bhi chahe tho:))
Take care...Love..Sachin
My hope, like I have said before, is that we can focus on interesting, engaging dialogue with mutual respect for each other. Tanzan, North, Marek, Kaveeta, and others - all of you have had wonderful things to add to this community and hopefully will continue to be part of it by commenting actively.
North, please lets not let any perceptions of negativity foster more negativity. Personally, I believe everyones intentions, including Tanzan who inspires many of us with his poetry, is coming from their own place of wanting to grow. I agree with Dorinda and Divya on their points above.
Lets move on everyone. I will not make any more pleas or justifications.
And, if you decide not to continue, our love and best wishes to you.
Mallika
yes indeed, Mallika. but, you see then, how this rupture came to BE, was because of negativity towards women; so yes, negativity does beget negativity. My plug is pulled on the matter(smiles.)
North
Hello everybody,
I am back after a long 4 days as I was down with flu, it is really sad to note that some of our fellow bloggers have been angry and upset with some remarks. This really shows that we are a family ;), on a serious note as kavita has said in her post we should be a bit sensitive while making comments and barbs if any should be lined with shock absorbers to prevent injury ;) and we should be more forgetful as that way we will be able to forget+ forgive ;).
Please donot sullen the new year spirit with desertions and hurt feelings, we should all try to spread smiles and the best place to start with is our blog .
:) :) :) :)
Keep smiling as life is a mirror and if we all smile, smile will be refected back and greet .us :)
Dear Mallika....You don't find this dialogue between me&kavita interesting and respectful. We both perhaps have the best of respect and admiration for each other.
Love..Sachin
"Tanzan, North, Marek, Kaveeta, and others - all of you have had wonderful things to add to this community and hopefully will continue to be part of it by commenting actively." Mallika
Thank you, Mallika. Can I assume I am welcome once again to make comments here? And no more policing?
Well, since you ask, I cannot deny a request. Here is my comment on this blog:
There is nothing new here. It is a continuation of an earlier blog by Kavita. The first blog was TRASH TALK. The second blog was THE TRUTH BEHIND TRASH TALK and now the current blog, HURT FEELINGS.
You make me smile when you talk about my poetry. I would once again humbly sumbmit I am not a poet. I just love to fool with words.
Now I am reminded of two lines of a poem I posted here a few weeks ago. And they are:
My father used to say
Better to have a wise enemy
Than a stupid friend
Kind regards, respect
Tanzan Senzaki
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PS: Sachin, Sir I do not know who you are. But I have kind regards and lots of respect for you - not that it might appear you were siding with me or whatever. I think you are a man of truth, wisdom and honor. I did listen to your advice earlier. Please feel free to advice further. I will hear you with respect even it may not sound flattering. I seek no flattery, no stroking of my soul, nothing. I simply want, as Mallika put so eloquently, to learn and grow with all of you here at this wonderful blog site brought to us by Shekhar and Deepak. My respect to you, once again, sir.
Tanzan, if there seems to be a connection with Kavita's other blogs about abuse, and unwanted advice, criticisms and forced-growth, it is because most times, they were about your specific behaviour.
I am not sure why; but you seem to want to always hurt Kavita for some profound and perverse reason?
to me, all that is happening, is not "rights and freedoms of all" but, I see the rights and freedoms of bully's and people-abusers being encouraged and called growth.
Dear PARENTS; when your child(ren) begin school, and they will; and when they come home with crusted tears in their eyes, and they will; and they tell you a boy/girl in school is mean, demeaning and demoralizing them; and they will;
will you tell your children it's "ok" to be subjected to abuse, it's part of their growth;
or will you not go to the school, with fisted anger, and have the matter looked into; rather than passing the burden onto a child, cognitively incapable of managing such logic at that age, to understand abuse and handling abuse in the first place?
Even mother birds, chase away, big bad birds and cats; why don't parents?
North
Dear North,
When my son was four and a half years old he started going to kindergarten. He came home one day soon and told me that a boy had been mean. I asked him what he thinks we should do about it, and he said: "You don't need to do anything, I'll fix this. I'll make him my friend." And he did. He started with one friendly gesture, he continued with being honestly interested in the other boy's motives, and soon he found out that they had a lot in common and became best friends.
Anger is not always a solution. I'm not sure it ever is. Sometimes our children remind us.
Kavita,
I'll be sending Reiki to Sutha.
"There is nothing new here. It is a continuation of an earlier blog by Kavita. The first blog was TRASH TALK. The second blog was THE TRUTH BEHIND TRASH TALK and now the current blog, HURT FEELINGS."
Wait, it's not over yet. The goon squad from California will soon be deployed to get as down and dirty as one can possibly be while Madam takes a break to show the world how sensitive she is.
Kavita, we do have an Open Space so thoughtfully started by Mallika which can be put to effective use. Why do you want to always drag this site down in the muck? You and your goon squad are the first to get personal. Nobody needs this. If you had a point worth making about women you should have told us what it is. Leave us to form our own opinions about Kaveeta's character. By the way, I would like to know on what authority you have taken on the task of monitoring everyone's character? What gives you this right? It certainly cannot be your own character. If you are deluded enough to believe that such posts as these are contributing towards peace on the net try and snap out of it. I haven't read the post where all this brouhaha began but the right place to discuss this would have been on that blog itself. Why not show the decency to follow some etiquette yourself instead of preaching to us all the time?
Dear Aurora; very fortunate series of events for your son, to have had guided tours to handle his emotions along his path. Not all children were so fortunate though, and these are the adults we face today, seeking light, right?
Kaveeta is a briliant woman and I think men here, jealous of her obvious independant mind, used their skills to personally target her, to "bring her down" and sadly they have succeeded.
I saw Kaveeta and in the past, Kavita and Rita subjected to same. I see Kate subjected to begging men for a face that only exists in their own fantasy-world.
I see half this blog protecting predators and abusive people; and little, to no regard for the victims in said people's wake.
IF you prefer not to see a stone being cast, and a stone being thrown; that is your personal perogative.
I for one advocate for anyone against abuse, in any form, at any level.
My blurb to Sachin above, was to get the exact reaction I got; it was done intentionally and proved my point so well, I don't think I even need to point it out!
I say ONE POST about someone in seven months time; in a bad light to show how someone else's negative projections react with me; and I got a "notice post."
Others have been doing so for months with little to none.
I dare say, our opinions differ tremendously and that is ok too.
Suffice to say; maybe one child in a thousand and properly nursed and nurtured Aurora. You of all people, know this. To bring children as an example to hanlding abusive people, is rather, I don't know? Desperate to prove a point, or point at your marvelous parenting job?
North
Divya, good squad? when did you stop start wearing clown pants, because that is what your post sounded like?
Why is it Divya, that Mallika can start a post to stop female, fetal genocide and get support;
Kavita starts a post to stop sexual harrassment by men on this blog, towards women on this blog, and you call people defending the right to not be subjected to abuse of any form or level - "good squad?"
Oh, seek and ye shall find; don't and you won't!
You have picked a fine costume and wear it well.
North
I agree that this post and the responses sound all too familiar.
But herein lies the problem with blogs. People join these communities under the assumption that real relationships are being forged. I've said this before- Intent is like a great dinner party- you meet some really fascinating people who are great thinkers and can inspire you to change your life and the lives of those around you. You also come to the party and meet some pretentious wind bags who just like to hear the sound of their own voice ( or in this case the sound of their keys clicking) And you also meet some drunken fools with bad breath and bad manners. At the end of the night you go home to your real life, with real people.
I believe in what Intent is trying to achieve and I have learned so much. But I know that the greater Intent here "IS NOT ABOUT ME"
Breaking things down to a personal level is so dangerous and honestly I dont know about all of you but I dont have that kind of energy to spare. This message goes out to Kavita as well- this level of engagement feels intrusive. This is a community where ideas are shared. My belief is that by engaging on a personal level we are all at risk of creating something that is not genuine at all. You cannot create real, giving and honest relationships on the web and certainly not in blogs. We can all share a respect for who we are as individuals, enjoy each other's company while on line but we cannot share a real life together. Do you understand?
My opinion. Please consider.
Furthermore Divya, if I am not mistaken, TrashTalk was initially on the art/science among Indians Kavita posted on.
I see, after some people trashed it; Kavita had to then pick up their trash(pun intended); then, that didn't work either; then, Shekhar Kapur started same subject, and got raves.
Hmmm,,,tap tap tapping my fingers on my northern pituitary for sure!
Please continue, I find you very interesting to observe.
oh, I'm sorry Divya, do I have your permission to analyze and dissect you, first, that is; because really, this IS a place to grow, and whether you said yes or no, is irrelivent, right?
North
Dear North,
you seem to be very upset. I have learned that wise decisions never come from anger. I understand that you have your reasons for being angry, but please, stop for a moment and consider if you want to create more anger or more peace in this world. I truly hope you will give it a thought.
Dear Aurora; your perception of my perceptions are skewed. Please realize we are two differing opinions. WE have reached a stale-mate. Further discussion is futile for expansion or growth between us on this subject, if that is the picture you have chosen as your perogative to paint of my disposition.
Aurora, I am merely "being" with/among the fire, to live with fire; I only adapt and change...to the environment around me, not IN me...
Hmm, did I prove my point I wonder?
North
North, I was referring specifically to Kavita's friend Aditi. I have never communicated with that woman and she descended upon me spitting fire and venom just because I had expressed an opinon in favor of Tanzan rather than Kavita. This was *purely personal* and she continued to do so through 2 other blogs which had nothing whatsover to do with anything. How can a woman who has friends such as these get on her high horse with us every three minutes? I'm still trying to get over the fact that Kavita has noooo idea how guilty she is of everything she's trying to stop others from doing. Enough is enough.
By the way North, you've been coming down pretty hard on everyone too so do make an effort to understand that it is a struggle for all of us to be polite and this includes you (and Kavita of course)
Okay…I didn’t want to get into this, but I guess I just have to now.
I know a lot of women are abused…but it can be just as bad for guys. I’m sure I will be beaten for this, but I guess I am calling for an intervention here.
All of you think of Kristin as this sweet, gentle, poetry-writing woman. But beneath those dimples and the blond hair hides a pair of six-inch fangs. Sure she writes poetry about love and spirit and dancing with God…it’s all an act I tell you. Day after day I am forced to cook, clean and perform unseemly acts in the bedroom. Why just last night she came to bed after being up all night with the girls smoking cigars, playing poker and talking about those scantily clad hussy’s that they hit on at work (boys young enough to be her children) she awoke me from a sound sleep (one I deserved I might add after doing the laundry and cleaning the cinders from the fireplace, as well as raising our children), with her bellowing in her beery-smoke breath, “Come on babe! Time for a little slap and tickle!” A man needs to be snuggled…to be held and nurtured and told he’s special, not just expected to perform at the drop of a hat: “Wham, Bam thank you man!” That’s no way to treat the father of your children!
I felt like a piece of meat. HUMILIATION, THY NAME IS WOMAN! Sure she’s half my size, but no one here can imagine the power she wields.
I call on all of the men to rise up here and throw of the shackles of female oppression! No longer will we be expected to be the sexual playthings of women! I want to be respected for my mind not just my body!
I’m going to go home and throw out all of my thong underwear and go back to boxers! That will show her.
Thanks for listening…and now back to our regularly scheduled complaining J.
Scott.
Tanzan...This is the problem here...Objectivity doesn't rule over emotions and support. It's the other way round. Yeah...most of the time you and me have been on the other end of the spectrum, even then I objectively admired you.
Taking Sides is Simply not My Cup of tea. I try to follow the simple principle which Arjun was taught. Vho kehthe hai na Sachayee ki hamesha Jeet hothi hai...dher vho sakthi lekin....
I know you quite well....especially when it comes to talking objectively...without an emotion attached. You're Very Sharp in your observations, and that's a gift you possess...which Ideally has to be used for Good purposes, with Good Intentions. Bahut Sach baath karthe vho Dost, and you know very well Truth is bitter and the defensive mechanisms of the human psyche.
But people do admire you here for those sharp observations. You're a brilliant writer as is Navin as is Dear Kaveetaa too. Who in the world will understand that....when we talk a little abt the negative points? They just think we're Villainising them....don't you know that Psyche Tanzan?
Take Care...Sachin
Excuse me Divya, I did not see Aditi's named mentioned once, nice cheap grab!
IF I am coming off as hard suddenly Divya; it is a reflection of the abuse on the blog; not necessarily my internal flame speaking.
Please continue.
North
Yes, dear North, I understand, you react to your environment, you see your anger as coming because of something outside of you. I understand. I'm sorry, but I don't seem to be able to come through with what I'm trying to say. I wish you well.
I am not talking from an emotional perspective, I resent the implication too;
if I were, my words would not have been so carefully selective with facts.
Please, give me grace of my intelligence at least; and not have to succumb to using human emotion as my knowledge/wisdom to - also have skills to teach.
I have just shown a very good example of something.
Students wishing/ready to see the lesson will; those that don't will catch up at their own time; I force nothing.
I merely am water, reacting to obvious oil.
North
Scott!!!
Aurora...you are missing my lesson; if you prefer to see me as a child; that too is your perogative. I merely show how people react to a negative environment; what happens when it is not intervened with respect to all.
IF you cannot see that, please re-read my previous posts again?
North
Hmm, I thought Scotts post better suited to the laughter blog myself; oh, sorry Scott, if I said your timing is in poor taste, I meant no disrespect or harm, just an observation really.
North
No offense taken...I can see that no takes the plight of we men seriously.
Again I say: "Rise up my brothers!"
Scott.
North, I am probably missing your lesson. I'm not seeing you as a child, I told you about my son's way to handle conflict because you asked parents what they will do when the kids come home crying.
If you perceive this place as a negative environment, I'm glad if you can find a way to make it more positive. What would that be?
I'm rising, I'm rising, Scott... may I join, I promise to wear pants...
Whoa Divya,
I think you are being mean to our lady Kavita.
Am sure you can share your opinion without denigrating and smearing others. That is really not nice!
Maybe you should stop by my western California ranch to get a look at love and respect whoa!
Take it easy, Madam Divya. What now, are you going to pick a fight with Big D? FYI, I don't fight with ladies; I only love them!
Whoahahaha!
Scott! Thanks for saving the day. This is priceless.
Aurora, we of M.A.W.T.H. (Men against women that hurt) welcome all our sisters that wear pants.
Scott.
Oh, thank you sir, I'll tell my husband to hurry and iron my best pair.
FYI,
Debby is my secretary. She was to have posted the above on my behalf but signed her own name instead. LOL!
Cheers!
Diablo/Debby - you(both) made me laugh. the others only showed further disrespect at issue; by demeaning and demoralizing the issue; they are desperate to laugh it off
pity really, I thought this was a place to grow?
North
North, It is a place to grow- just not with each other. Perhaps, off each other.
As I indicated in my earlier posting we all need to stop engaging each other on a personal level beyond exchanges of information, ideas and opinions. This is not a place where things are taken personally.
It sounds like a he said/ she said argument that will never end. And I think Intent Bloggers, and in this instance, Kavita, need to consider their responsibility in encouraging these kinds of exchanges. There is no learning opportunity here.
"But beneath those dimples and the blond hair hides a pair of six-inch fangs.
HUMILIATION, THY NAME IS WOMAN!" ~Scott Masterton
Scott, dear friend, what a wonderful post! Congratulations on writing this masterpiece of prose.
And you know, what she wrote to me a few minutes before she let you use the family computer. Here it is:
"But don't tell anyone I said that, Tanzan. It can be our secret. ;)" ~Kristin
Scott, please trust me. I will not tell her that I am sharing this with you. Please keep it a secret!
Cheers
Tanzan Senzaki
whoa I get back and see a lot of exchanges..
gosh didn't realize there was so much more to a simple blog asking for prayers for my friend's mom and hoping we could all be there on intent for each other..!!
Diyva my next blog is going to be like the one I did on Rahul Khanna..
Divya is mad at me because she thinks I'm mean, dictatorial and have a goon squad up in California..hey aditi..did you add to the numbers? kitney admi they(how many men?)
btw Divya I thought it was very classy of you not to have responded to aditi..she has been in touch with Mallika (seriously no kidding!) and some other posters, exchanging pictures and what not.. maybe they are discussing possible new recruits to the cyber bouncing company she heads and I utilise regularly to make every one quake in their cyber shoes..chill out divya...there is really nothing here that should make you feel so angry..
Now why the hell am I thinking of this stupid ad..don't get mad get glad!
Scott, man my heart bleeds for you..you can write another piece now for publication- "intent inquirer" can publish it..world kick boxing champion and a little woman makes a mouse out of you..hey kristin, do you hold classes..?
Marisa your points were excellent.. but I would love to meet and dine with all the posters here, especially the ones who are mad at me, and meet them in person..maybe I should use my goon squad and get the Chopras..deepak answer questions..mallika can you cook..we dont want only chocolate..gotham maybe we could all show up for the grand inauguration of the virgin comics big show(yeah aditi just twist his arm a bit more!)
Diablo my knight in shining armor..good to have you back..
Thanks every one for your posts. Please do take this in the spirit it was written and please do pray for sudha ji. she is seeing a surgeon and having her ct scan tomorrow..we will have a better idea since the chest x-ray too showed up something else..
Kavita
its Maria Luisa not Marisa.
Please do consider the level of disruption these kinds of blogs to create. Its misleading for some- especially those who look to the internet to create community for themselves. Intent cannot be a place where we make genuine friendships, (or real enemies for that matter). It needs to remain a place where ideas are exchanged.
Is has been my observation that all the attacks I have seen have been on Men as a species. I have seen nothing said about women of course I did not read every post, if someone want to point it out please do.
The only ugliness and actually hate I have seen here has come from women. The only attacks have been made by women.
I do not know what sex Tanzen is, so I am not including that persona.
Which is maybe God having me think twice about feminine energy. But perhaps some of the females actually lack feminine energy and that is the problem. They are male energy in a female body. So I am not seeing the beloved feminine energy I am seeing masculine energy.
Somebody gets upset about flirting? In the culture where I live in the United States people flirt all the time it is like being polite, it is a compliment and it doesn’t matter if you’re married because it doesn’t mean you’re trying to get laid. Only evil minds can turn it into something else.
People that do not like flirting are those that do not get flirted with, if no one flirts then it does not become obvious that nobody wants to flirt with them. So they turn flirting into something evil to make them feel better.
Some people could leave the high school mentality behind.
There are one or two people that seem spreading the negative dark energy which I think spread through people and some how affected kaveeta. Other than that most everyone here is seems to be pretty light hearted. This is really Ego trying to build a wall against the spirit.
I did have this thought. There might be a purpose for this dark energy to help balance the extreme higher energy that is possible here. So perhaps it provides sort of an anchor to the world or we might lose touch.
Sorry for not writing your name correctly Maria Luisa. I have a hurt finger and typing isnt coming easily today..
I would diasgree with you about friendships not being made. I have already met one of the posters and plan to meet some more on my trip to India in the summer and a couple more in other states here.
Ultimately we can create what we want to create and disrupt what we want to disrupt..all up to us..
Dear Kavita,
I'll be glad to send Reiki to your friend's mom.
Best of luck with everything.
Love,
Donatella
Thanks Richard. very interesting thoughts.
I wonder if there is a scientific explanation of why ceertain energies attract one to the other, and others repel.
Maria,
Makes some good points that this is not really a discussion board, and I agree it is for comments. I know it is hard to not make references or communicate but that might be best kept at a minimum.
The discussion board it here...
www.chopra.com/
Thank you Donatella. God bless all of you who have written to me personally also and are sending reiki, sachin, viren, aurora.
I know bad thing happen to good people, and we must exercise detachment, but its not easy, each time it hits closer to home..
bless you
Okay Kavita, I'm chilling now. I'm from the anti-establishmentarian generation and never took too kindly to authority. I guess that's why I freak whenever anyone tries to impose too much order.
I believe society can be self-regulating. That's the only way it works. After all, we all do want to communicate so it would defeat the purpose if we only were mean and nasty. When anyone gets too nasty (Aditi for example) the rest of the people come around sooner or later and express their dismay. That's what happened in her case and eventually shut her up. So I would only hope that people like Kaveeta realize that there will always be people who will rub them up the wrong way and there will always be people who will appreciate their thoughts. You will not always get a fair deal. Sometimes people will appreciate nonsense that you write. Sometimes people will denigrate the only sensible thing you say. Just have to learn to roll with the punches and put our Vipassana theories to practice.
For me blogging has been a great learning experience. In fact, it saved my New Years holiday this time. I was on the verge of saying something nasty when I realized (from recent Intentblog experience) how awful I feel when I say something nasty. So even if we get all huffy about things, in the long run it's all for the best. I only hope we can just use the Open Thread to thrash these things out rather than make such stuff the centerpiece.
Maria Luisa,
I completely agree with you when you say, "it's not about me." But I do not agree that the relationships we make with others here are not real. They can be as "real" as any other relationship. I've been deeply touched by people I have known and yet never met in person. I remember one dear friend who passed away and it wasn't until she was very ill that I saw her picture. But my feelings for her were not less real because I had never seen her face. She was a support and an inspiration for me and if I shift my awareness I can still feel her presence through the ways she touched me.
But I'm really with you when you say, "it's not about me." It's NEVER about me. Even here at home with my lovely family, it's not about me.
Even now that Scott has gone on strike and decided to throw out his thong underwear~! ;)
Love, Kristin
Dear Kavita,
I will remember Sudha ji in my prayers...i hope she recovers soon.Sometimes it seems life has so many unexpected twist and turn and we spend so much energy on petty things...
I loved Kaveeta and i really hope if you could persuade her to come back...we woman should take care of each other and stand up for each other....as we are the most discrimnated race....
My head hurts so bad...i had such a tiring and busy day at work!!!!
Quote of the Day
"Sachin, bullshit right to your face!"
North writing to Sachin who I respect a lot.
Thanks Divya. I do have to admit, that the plan was not to write a blog but respond on the thread where stuff was posted initially, but I really wanted to mention my friend's mom and just decided to continue writing there. If you see the blog is a mix of stuff,request for prayers for her, things people felt bad about- some pieces of my favorite literature..I think I had mentioned earlier that all of us write on the run..In fact I answered your first post on the run as well..you had actually asked me somewhere if I was nice and all forgiving..my friend's college bound son said something very profound as he was leaving after the christmas holidays. his mother said after hugging him like moms usually do-"be good'...he replied "I try mom but its a daily struggle.." I thought he summed it up for all of us..
I do forgive very readily, because I expect that from others when I mess up..
whether I'm nice..I guess you'll just have to meet me to know that:)
btw have you done vipassna. I have been asked to meet Mr Modi and do a feature on him and the practice. Kiran Bedi swears by it..what are your thoughts?
D, bro, you posted, you would not let me down..
a gentleman keeps his promise..
now where are the holiday pictures, for spamming out loud! ;)
women...don't let it get to ya, Diablo,
I got the back of the weakest sexe.. no kiddin'! ;)
With love, Passion,
Hi Kavita - The person I respect most in the world practices Vipassana. It's not for me though. I'm more inclined towards the total immersion paths rather than the total withdrawal ones like Vipassana. It only leaves me cold.
I also do not like the fact that they denigrate rituals and bhakti. I think it would be nobler of them if they appreciated all practices. Just because someone is a Vipassana type does not mean they can consider the practitioners of rituals dumb and blind.
Ps. and one of Debby's if thats not to much trouble..I dig that chick!
LOL,
Love, peace, Passion, don't sweat the small stuff, it's ALL small stuff.. compassion to those with the medical diagnose,
Hello Kavita,
Keeping in mind your intent of this post......
My thoughts......
Thank you Kavita and Mallika and other bloggers who are trying to keep the peace on here.
I love IntentBlog.
It's what I come home to everyday after work.
I look forward to it.
On Sunday mornings I love coming here and reading all the comments I may have missed during the week.
EVERY POST IS WORTH MY TIME TO READ.
I have learned things I would not have learned elsewhere.
I think of you guys as friends.
I've told people about you and what discussions take place here.
Heck, I even had a dream about a couple of the posters the other night, and I've never met any of you!
Kaveeta come back!
Kavita I will send prayers and good intentions out to Sudha. Two weeks ago a very good friend of mine lost his sister to an extremely rare cancer (only around 300 people are known to have it).
Life is too short. Losing my Mom three months ago made me realize this.
And one last thought.....
I can control my thoughts.
My emotions come from my thoughts.
I can control my emotions.
--Wanyne Dyer
Love Tiffany
Interesting Divya. There are two brothers here who run regular vipassana camps since past few years and actually take time off to go to do it elsewhere in a retreat..both the wives refuse to be initiated into it saying they are not convinced its for them.
Another friend gor put off by the art of living courses because she felt they were not very accepting of anything beyond what was being taught in their courses..every one had to say jai gurudev at the beginning to pay homage to Sri sri and they would get upset if anyone told someone else what sudarshan kriya was..
Kiran bedi had actually taken us through a deep breathing meditation segment as had sri sri..both were excellent but I figured I could do that on my own, with my yoga teacher..
well I'm meeting sadguru jaggi vasudev of the isha foundation after I return from a weekend trip to meet my friend's mom..lets see what happens there..perhaps eventually as in anything else in life..whatever works for each person.
Abdaleeb thanks for your good wishes..
Marek its nice to see the Polish Prince not staying far behind Diablo.
I still laugh at something someone had posted on an earlier blog saying she wont be watching any Bollywood films because all the melodrama was on my blog..
well enjoy the rest of the evening folks..I have miles to go before I sleep as robert frost said..deadlines and travel looming ahead..
Tanzan,
Thanks for keeping this between us. No...I don't get to use the family computer...my posting must be done at work. And now that Kristin knows about my confession...well let's just say tomorrow I'll be wearing dark sun glasses.
Maria Luisa,
I agree with you in that what I hear you saying is that it's not valuable to get caught up in the "drama" of the blog. Most of what is happening in these internet relationships is really illusion, but the same could also be said of what happens in face to face, interpersonal relationships. Often what is going is below the surface and really doesn't have anything to do with the other person.
Having said that, there is a kind of relationship that develops on the internet. Relationship is simply people interacting with each other and that does happen here. While it is not the same type of relationship that one has with ones family or friends, all relationships are different. For example, my relationship with my coworkers is different than the relationship with my wife and family; I am a different person with my wife than I am with my boss. However, there is still a relationship with both of them...just different.
I think being here and interacting with people is actually a wonderful way to engage with each other while at the same time learn to take a break from "taking it personally". The tricky part is to take those same skills and apply them to people that we deal with face to face.
Peace,
Scott.
Sorry about your Mom Tiffany, I suddenly got this thought she wants to give you a hug, I would give it to you from her in person but you will have to settle for a virtual one. >
A prayer for Sudha and a link.
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Yo Brother Marek,
What's up bra?
So you dig Debby! Naughty girl! I asked her to finish off a small note defending Kavita fromDivya's onslaught, but she mischievously pranked me by signing her own name! Now, she is in hot water!
So my Polish friend extraordinaire, what's new beside the South American lassie?
You do want to see pictures from beautiful Jamaica.
Remember bra, this is a family show and, after reviewing the pictures, it would not be suited for all ages. Besides, publicizing pictures usually have a way of coming back to bite you in the long run. Discreet is always the better part of valor!
Naz Drowie!
Big D. Until next time, am out!
Richard, as I was reading your post, I got a big hug from behind me. That's what my Mom always did--thank you.
Thanks for the cancer treatment info as well--I know a few people with cancer and I'm sure I can find valuable information for them there. :)
Scott and Kristin
I agree that one can be profoundly impacted by another through all different kinds of mediums, internet, music, literature.
What I mean by real relationships are those similar to the relationships that you hold dearly - perhaps, with just a hand full of people in your life. I for instance, have perhaps three people in my life whose love and criticism of me I can hold as true- My Mother, my husband and my closest friend. ( My children arent old enough to criticize me just yet however they are real good teachers nonetheless). I allow these people to hold a mirror up to me to show me things about myself that I may not be able to see in the moment. This is only after having shared a life time of experiences with them. I've known my husband for twenty years, my best friend for 25 and well my mother...
So the point is we have sat with each other and looked at each other and communicated with each other sometimes without saying a word. These are the kinds of relationships that in the end make a real impact.
The relationships and exchanges that I share here on Intent are important only when I bring them into my own life, with my husband, my children my family and friends. I think that's how one makes a true impact on change, even on a global level. Can you imagine if everyone on the planet could have honest and nurturing exchanges with two or three people in their lives, how that could impact on all of us?
I'm digressing. The point is the exchanges we share can enhance our real lives.
My biggest concern today as I read this blog and the postings is that individuals are being hurt and perhaps their expectations of what this place is all about is off. The problem with taking this to a personal level is that, relationships or not, there is no accountability really on blogs. People say what they wish for the most part because there are no other faces before them. We should trash about ideas here, not people. Its a waste of time, its hurtful and frankly on most days, its boring. Hidden agendas, fragile personalities that come off as hostile, looking to be reaffirmed here. You need to look for it in your own lives or you'll be stuck in cyberspace forever.
Now having said that...none of this applies to the two of you. Thongs have a way of keeping it real.
Peace
Aloha Kavita
Joining your friend's mom in the Light, before daylight and night. May she experience miracle upon miracle as the Light shines through the fabric of her garment. love patty
;)
Go easy on the girl, D.. you know..;)
and, some Jamaican magic...hmnn..palm trees and coconuts...;)
a mugshot, in the company of the fine spiritual people reading, wouldn't do you any harm..besides, big brother the CIA..;)
and..
pacta sunt servanda..remember..?
your call, my moto: aint nothing to hide, aint nothing to prove, fun and games, is the mission statement with some edu-tainement value..;)
I'm moving my party east later in 2006, back to the roots, my polish buds just got back from Polish X-mas 2005, one had 15.000,00 in personal 'damages' all kinds, and a beemer, parked into a tree, I'll put the pics on a blog soon..it's slippery with all that snow! ;) and no cuddles from the misses he was on a date though.. women..;) I'm too old for that kinda fun..gotta settle down a bit..;)
With Love & Passion,
Just a quick comment, from what I have read the last few days it seems that most of us are moving out of our comfort zone, and that has to be healthy for the group. Maybe Deepak was hoping this would happen, push us to a point of move or be moved.
That's all I wanted to say.
Good luck all,
Steve
and love back at ya, kavita, why do these 'things' always occur on your Blogs..;)
hhmnn.. I got your back, baby, ain't nothing like
a rooster in a ..;)
and if I may, a, humble spiritual reading advise,
on cancer, Louise L. Hay's works, and for diet, I got some too, but I'm sure she's well read,
With Love, Peace, (com)Passion!
Illegal to Annoy Online!
Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.
Now it's illegal to annoy!
A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language.
"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
This is buried in the so-called "Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act". Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison.
Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."
To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.
The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.
There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House approved in September had radically different wording. It was reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."
for more info go to: http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html?part=rss&tag=6022491&subj=news
This is a serious matter given the kind of discussion that goes on at this blog!
Mallika:
I would suggest that at the very least there be a way for the users/commenters to be registered on the site so they are no longer "anonymous"!
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
Regarding the "hurt feelings" which is the topic of this blog.
Feelings do not have pain receptors so that really is not a rational statement. (Not saying you are irrational Kavita). That means there is probably some level of Illusion there.
What are we really saying when we make the statement "he hurt my feelings" ?
Since people cannot in reality hurt you, with words, unless you choose to let them, and even then the words cannot affect nerve endings so that is not what is actually happening. What are we really saying is going on?
We are buying into the other persons Illusion and validating it in our minds. We are responding to an Illusion.
What responds to Illusion? Ego does, so is it really an impact on the Ego?
It is just like the truth there are no victims, this is not to say that you cannot be wronged, it is to say, only you can make yourself a victim.
What is a victim? Somebody that embraces an Illusion that someone else, or some thing else has power over their life, their thoughts, feelings, their happiness.
A victim is someone who casts blame for the way they feel upon someone else. A victim is someone who thinks that they do not have power to alter their reality.
It allows you to make excuses for not achieving or moving forward.
Being a victim serves the Ego self in many ways, but it does not serve the spirit self.
perhaps "feeling hurt" and "thinking we are a victim" are exploits of the self by our own ego, and that of others.
There is a lot more to be explored in this area don’t you think?
Dear Desh,
my legal 2 cts on that matter, the open norm 'to annoy' and to be annoyd..
It isn't a secret that, the worst possible punishment for a attention craved, neuro is simply to ignore..(but the problem is, you never know if it's a psycho, and then you're in trouble..)
With Love, Passion and some case law would be nice ;)
Tanzan, being as you took the time to find my negative post to Sachin, catching him in a lie; which he aptly ignored, why can't you now, I wonder in-deed?;
please have the maturity to include the remarks subsequent postings which applied to reasons for using that phrase? otherwise, you are only painting a partial picture; which of course, seems to be your delinquent style?
Please continue.
North
Tiffany a big hug to you..Your posts were touching and heart warming..I know you will pull through..my prayers and good wishes are with you.
Thanks Richard and Marek for the important information. I will look at the link and get the book- also bought Lance Armstrong's autobiography for her as suggested by Rakesh Mawa.
Marek, thank you for the love- it happens on my blog so Diablo and you can come here and transform in to Prince charmings and shower tlc..you don't come muh way otherwise :)
too busy with apple pies and cherrylanes(wink!)
Patty thank you for your healing prayers..
uh ..guys, all you wronged men.. send cyber protection Scott's way..he threw away his thong underwear..hell hath no fury like a woman thonged..er wronged..uh deprived of the simple pleasures..:).
Thank you Steve, Desh, Diablo, Maria, Kristin, North..
Interestingly enough; if everyone was "being" really, really honest and true when admitting to not having feelings themselves, and being beyond it;
there would have been no "need" for this blog in the first place;
there would be no need for your responses.
Please, don't deny truth to yourselves truth by another, when attempting to force yours onto another?
North
GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ
TO WHOM DOES THESE THOUGHTS BELONGS TO?,
IT IS NOT YOURS TO OWN,JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE SHOWING UP IN YOUR MIND........
MUSIC IS PLAYING , MOST ARE DANCING ...WHILE A FEW LOST IN THE INTELLECTUAL MAZE OF REAON AND LOGIC ...JOIN THE PARTY LETS JIGGY WITH IT.
hey arjunan, so nice to have you back..I was just wondering where you were..
love and happy new year
ARJUNAN,
I guess it is that simple, so easy to forget, it is nice to have someone around to remember for you.
Maria Luisa,
We are in agreement :).
Peace all,
Scott.
I agree with Dorinda and Divya. I would also prefer derogatory remarks about anyone rather than a moral injunction that such remarks should not be made. I have gone out of track many times. it is the case with many others too. But, not allowing someone to express freely (however bad the comment may be) amounts to curtailing his right as a human being. This is a free forum and everyone is sort of matured too. If someone goes off track, he/she will eventually turn around and change the attitude. If it goes beyond a limit, just ignore the person. It will cool down. When someone was impersonating as me, I got pissed off initially (hence I contacted you and Mallika). But I figured out who it is and I just ignored the person. He stopped eventually. I agree it will be annoying at times but curtailing the freedom is not a solution (IMHO). Intentblog is a self evolving community. Such things will eventually be taken care of on its own. So I strongly recommend that we keep the freedom as such.
However, we have a President who seems to share the opinion of some of us in Intentblog. For their convenience, he has signed a law. Check out the crappiest law I have encountered
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance,+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html
HAPPY NEWYEAR TO YOU KAVITA AND MAY THE WORLD ACCORDING KAVITA CHHIBBER CONTINUE TO UNFOLD FROM THE HEART WHILE ITS EXPRESSIONS LAND IN THE PRISON OF OUR INTELLECT , A BRIEF STRUGGLE THEN AN ESCAPE.
CONTINUE TO BE DARIING...AND HUMAN
WOW
I wake up and find that while being locked in the bed room all day and half the night, by MY demanding, sex crazed, and chauvinistic wife ( wink Scott and Kristen ) that there has been a cyber war going on here at Intenblog. Women verses Men!
How unique!!
Well let me bring out the "peace pipe!"
My Teacher always has the answer to these kinds of problems, he told us and I quote
"Don't take issue with what you don't like and you will soon be free of this bullshit world" un quote
Dats all you need to remember folks!
It Doesn't matter what the subject is !!
Good and timely advise ,which I for one have had a hell of a hard time taking, especially when it comes to 'barking dogs' That's why I moved up here on this mountain. Bad news is, while I can no longer hear the barking dog next door, I now can hear 100 dogs barking all over the valley.
That's the price I had to pay for higher consciousness.
Peace
Stan
Thank you Arjunan, you are a wise guy and a sweetheart. I expect some fun jokes from you on my laughter blog..they are priceless
Stan must be something about the letter S..Scott, Stan..so my question..boxers or briefs...or briefer still..the mighty thong!
I think I'm going to write a full blog now on what would happen if women truly ruled the roost and over the roosters!
A very sad story in Calgary, Alberta, Canada on New Years Day (night), the new year being 2 and a half hours old.
There was a private party for a bunch of young Indo-Canadians at a bar/restaurant.
Only invited guests were allowed. Late into the New Year's Eve celebrations, a youngman, 18, born in the Punjab region of India, crashed the party. He was uncerimoniously kicked out.
Shortly thereafter the bars had closed and everyone was milling about on a quiet one-way street. Then the heavily intoxicated 18-year-old was seen again on the street and a fight, apparently, broke out. He was getting his ass kicked.
Then things got real ugly. The young fella, Samrat, acted like a rat. He got in his van, drove off at high speed on the wrong way of this one-way road and mowed down about four young people.
One beautiful girl, real beautiful, 24, died at the scene, another beautiful youngwoman remains in hospital in a coma with multiple fractures and teetering between life and death. Another victim, a young male, is also near death.
Samrat sped away from the scene and was later apprehended by police. He faces 11 charges. Yesterday was the funeral for Raminder Dhadda. Nearly 2,000 people attended, all shedding streams of tears.
It is indeed a very sad day for the Indo-Canadian commumity in Caslgary. It is also a sad day for all parents, regardless of nationality. It is a senseless loss of life which has left families totally devastated.
AJ
really sorry to read this . I hope every one will offer their prayers and healing to those who have suffered this tragic loss. I will certainly keep them in my prayers.
AJ,
You wonder what reality would have been created if they had loved the party crasher.
We have seen the reality created by the other option.
Something to think about.
Richard, you have come up with some very thought provoking posts here including the latest one.
Thank you very much
Peace and love to all, you are all beautiful people and this place makes me happy, thankyou! Love, Sask.
Richard,
You have made a good point but it's little comfort to Rami's parents, siblings and friends.
We can never anticipate the cause and effects of a given circumstance. But a life has been snuffed out before it had really begun. Now she will never know what life would have been like after college or experience the joys and pains of motherhood, travel the world, watch the sunrise or sunset...all gone in the blink of an eye.
Surely, it may not have turned tragic had the party crashes been accepted but that is another matter for another day. Right now, Rami is dead, gone forever, and we should respect that.
I think I'm going to write a full blog now on what would happen if women truly ruled the roost and over the roosters!
Posted by: kavita chhibber
LOL,
a prince would be a lonesome cowboy,
and a princess a lonesome maid,
synergy is the magic word, or love would be the answer..
but you gals got my blessing for ruling the world, fair is fair, the guys had their chance,
and what a mess they mad(e)!
But let's be honest..without a knight..;)
Love, Passion!
I would say that what happened is what is ideal to me. You all resolved your differences quickly. Sometimes one has to complain or make comment of negativity to get it aired and resolved, wonderful!
AJ,
this just reminds me again how fragile life is, and also how hard it is to make decisions, without knowing whether they will turn out to be right or wrong.
I think Richard didnt mean to be disrespectful to Rami's memory and the tragedy, but his post made me think how every action has a consequence and we often never know what the consequences will be..what a heavy price to pay..life is so incomprehensible at times..
I can't even say they should raise the drinking age because when people want they can work around anything.
Some miss the divine comedy in all this and that is that you are all the same Being.
Now your ego could debate whether I intended that as a verb or noun distracting you from your truth.
So I will issue a preemptive strike and say noun and verb are one and the same.
~From Infinite Play The Movie
Richard Thomas
Kaveeta wherever you go you will follow.
Blessages upon you.
AJ,
If you want to make her death be not in vain, then ask exactly the question as I did, for it was her death that gave birth to it not me.
It is a question that makes a statement, and a gift from her to the world.
Marek..
ah the Prince
doesn't mince
his words of wisdom
that only in his kingdom,
can a princess revel
find no parallel
But then he does confess
many a Prince can make a mess
The world's a beautiful place
because of the Princess's grace
so her word shall be his command
this Polish Price so grand
will create for her her wonderland..
Now I really must get back to work.
Thank you saskcrap..nice to have you here.
Dear Kavita:
I'm relatively new to this site and the first thing I ever read here was your insightful post on Brokeback Mountain, so I don't really know a lot about what you are speaking in this new blog.
However I can say this. I was one of the original people who posted regularly on Marianne Williamson's site a few years back.
The snide remarks started with a couple of individuals and then it grew and grew until after a year or to it became almost impossible to post there.
Some one finally told Marianne about it and when she saw what was happening she simply closed those boards down.
Let us pray that doesn't happen here.
Bless you for all you are doing. My thoughts and prayers are with your dear friend's mother.
richard
Dear Richard,
thank you for your thoughtful post. Greatly appreciated. Thank you for your prayers for Sudha. I know she will be okay because so many are praying for her.
Richard Thomas I wish we were all as wise as you, and look at life with detachment. I havent quite reached there yet. I don't know Rami, but the post saddened me..what a price to pay to learn a lesson that she was used to teach..very hard to explain to her family
Richard,
Now I really feel like I am talking to myself.
Marianne's "board" still exists as part of her Miracle Matrix
Have a look
conversations.iamplify.com/webx?14@@.ee7de4e
you can also get there from her site just click Miracle Matrix
marianne.com
Kavita,
Don't doubt for a moment that I am not attached, "Life sucks" is often on the tip of my tongue, but I try to process it and not say it.
It is like every moment I am resisting something that wants me to give in.
You have no idea how hard it is to actually type some of this stuff, but if I don't I would be accepting the Illusion.
Sometimes I don’t even know if it is me.
I have not been able to escape the oscillation of life one moment I am way up there and the next I am down.
I don’t know if I will ever escape the wave nature of life, unless I simply cease to be.
Can any one relate?
Dear Richard Thomas,
I guess as I mentioned about my friend's son saying in response to his mother's 'be good"-I try but it's a daily struggle,"-this can also be applied to other aspects of life.
It is a daily struggle until may be when we cease to be..but then what happens up there if there really is a heaven and hell!
Then we'll be shaking our heads and say Life sucks..and so does death!
Actually I just realized I am not resisting I am letting go and letting the words flow, if I did not it would be to resist.
Kavita,
It is quite possible that when we cease to be, we will meet the great audience, and for some there will be parades for the character we managed to play.
For others there will be no fanfare and they will simply try again.
Then replay our most awesome and precious moments with our favorite group the ones with which we so often play no doubt many that that had preceded you on the return home.
All a form of the infinite play.
I think I've finally caught up with everything and it's very possible I may need therapy now ;-) Just kidding.
Scott - I laughed so hard, I nearly fell off my chair. Alas, I may not get to sleep, being haunted by nightmares of men in thongs... oy.
On a more serious note:
I just wanted to add that as someone who is a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, I may be able to offer a unique take on the boy v. girl thing. Obviously, I spent many years being very angry. Angry at everyone and everything but mostly at men. As Aurora put it, I projected my pain onto every man around me, assuming they were all out to hurt me. One day, a friend pointed this out to me and I reacted very badly. How dare she say this to me? etc.
But I went home and thought about it for a long time and after much back and forth in my brain and several tantrums ;-) I realized she was right. It sucked big time that I was stuck with all of this crap even though I was the innocent victim but there it was. The only person who could do something about it was *me*. I could continue my life being angry or I could find a way to deal with it all.
The recovery is quite a long story and it took many ups and downs but I did eventually find a way to forgive my abuser. I did it for *me* and my spiritual/emotional health.
Back then, I saw the world as a scary place. I saw men as my enemy. I felt vulnerable every time I left the house. Heck, I felt vulnerable behind locked doors. It's very different now. I have many male friends who I love and cherish and one special guy in particular ;-) I feel safe and cared for with them.
Of course, there are days when I feel like I've done a complete reversal but those are usually times when I'm really tired or sick or hurting for other reasons. Then all of the old fears resurface. Thankfully they go just as quickly.
All of us are just humans who want to be loved... even if that is under many layers of wounds. People don't always express this well and some have behaviours that are criminal and should rightly be prosecuted for their crimes but it helps to see the desparate cry for help inherent in them.
As for the men v. women thing, I think we're all capable of loving in the most wonderful way and also of hating and hurting in the most vicious way. Neither is better than the other.
Kavita - I'll send some reiki to your friend as well.
Richard - yes, I relate.
Much love to all,
Sheba
Sheba,
That was a very positive thing to share, thanks.
I suppose they should have a warning, read at your own risk, may result in a requirement for therapy, (then of course every one would read it)and then again instead of therapy Deepaks books would suffice.
Well I have neglected producing income so I better retire from here, it would be nice if writing could be a source of income.
Love and good night.
Dear Sachin,
Thanks for your kind words. I admire you.
Kind regards, respect
Tanzan Senzaki
Sorry, as I cannot possibly read all of these postings due to time constraints and I wish I could ...
Each time the Light embraces the darkness, the sun shines a little brighter, as the veil is slowly lifted.
Kiss the night for the day will bless you.
thank Sheba for sharing such a moving post and thank you for including Sudha in your prayers.
Char thank you for the beautiful lines.
Richard let the dance begin here itself
Andaleeb, thank you for your prayers.
holistic healing intent share for your friend, Kavita...in prayers and wishes..
Thank you very much Sundar. Greatly appreciate it.
god bless
Dear Kavita.....Your thread at times goes like a Roller Coaster:)) Don't you think? One doesn't have to go to Disneyland...Come to Kavita's Blog, and you'll go thru' that maze!!
It was nice having a discussion with you.....I enjoy it when both the parties have Regard for each other. Abt the Objectivity and having the Unhealthy Ego in not wanting to See what is clearly there....One simply is not and cannot be totally responsible for others growth or downfall. Isn't it? Dear Deepak always points out this....You can do it only till a certain point. Whether someone really learns out of it or goes into blind defence and remain in the same pattern is entirely their choice. To broaden one's horizons and see from other's eyes and not ours, if there is any truth in what others say. If done, can relieve you of lot of pain.
You can take a horse to the river but can't make it Drink!!
Love...Sachin
Dear Sheba....Keep it up!! Thanks for sharing your story. WoW! Perfect example of how one can choose a destructive/constructive path. Classic Projection!! When you become a victim and are in anger/hatred/denial.
Haven't we seen this so many times in humans. The only person really is the person in question him/herself who can make the changes. Honest Self reflection...as you Did in your case, only to take you from a miserable pattern to a joyous pattern. It's a long term process, but who benefits?? Keep it up Sheba!! You come across as a a very loving person, I cudn't have known what you you went thru' if you hadn't shared your story....And just the way your friend told you in Good Intention...you got to pass on the baton...
Love...Sachin
Tanzan...Keep writing with the same sharpness, but do inculcate Good Intentions. I can assure you, like I did before to you abt Love...it will not go Unnoticed and you will see the results for yourself.
Richard....I think your Spiritual perspective often helps a lot of them here. Have you spent time at Chopra.com If not I suggest you and all those who have a spiritual inclination to visit that wonderful site.
Love...Sachin
Kristin,
I thought that Scott was joking, but I checked your website and saw that you have the black belt...(:P:D)
Stan,
Such a fun, fun post, thank you!
Richard,
I can definitely relate, and it reminds me of the first airplanes and their attempts to lift off. Have you seen one? Up... down, up up up...down again. And at some point, even if with a lot of noise and smoke, they actually lift and...what do you know... theirs is the sky.
Sheba,
Thank you so much! Your story is a perfect illustration of what it means to let go of the image of abuse and being a victim and find real, joyful, abundant life, patiently waiting behind it.
Tanzan,
That was a lovely feeling you expressed to Sachin, thank you.
Dear Kavita,
I think you will thoroughly enjoy meeting Sadguru Jaggi Vasudev. He is very contemporary and very ancient, very intellectual and very mystical all at the same time.
Vish
Thanks Vish,
I have enjoyed reading his books, so hopefully its will be an interesting meeting
Hi all,
a lot of back and forth here... and some humor too. I love it.
Maria Luisa,
although I find my teachers in many different places, I really resonate with what I hear you saying about nourishing our intimate relationships at home and thus applying what we learn in a practical way in our families.
I think that it's important to be able to bring our ideals to a practical level and that we can't change the world unless we can change ourselves. We can't create change in the world unless we can heal and/or continue to nurture the relationships we have with those close to us right now.
Sheba,
thanks for sharing your inspiring story of growth, forgiveness and love.
Love, Kristin
"That was a lovely feeling you expressed to Sachin" ~Aurora
Have you been sending that special something, that love thing, the Reiki thing?
It's always there, Tanzan :) Can you feel it?
Sachin,
Your advice inspired me to write down the following:
A roller coaster
Up and down,
Is up for
Moments of fun,
But down
Finally down,
On the ground.
Planes flying
On false wings!
Are there really
Such things?
Truth cannot be
Hidden in trash,
Finally it comes out,
It comes out.
Kind regards, respect
Tanzan Senzaki
Note: This is only to show my appreciation to dear Sachin. It is not addressed to anybody, directly or indirectly.
Dear Aurora,
Are you fooling me?
Nothing lasts for ever,
Nothing is always there,
Things come and go.
Even that love thing,
Surges with hormones.
When they go,
It goes, it goes.
Now don't tell me:
Love is not
The body thing,
It's the soul thing.
The poor souls!
Leave them alone.
leave them alone,
For God things.
Again don't tell me:
Love is God.
God is love.
There ain't such things.
And then open your heart,
See within, He is there.
See, see, sitting there!
These are fooling things.
Kind regards
Tanzan Senzaki
Richard, Kavita, Sachin, Aurora, Kirstin - thank you for your kind thoughts.
Dear Sheba....Inspired by your real story, just today I was talking to my brother abt pattern breaking...and most of the trouble lies in our reactions. My brother has just broken a pattern of misery he was in last yr...and he tells me his story. Inspite of he having a Spiritual brother like me..he hasn't heeded me. He doesn't believe much in Spirituality. I'm still trying to get him out of that pattern and some other patterns he is in.
Wud you like to share more Sheba? How was the transition...where did you find courage in? What did you use as an anchor to sail thru'? Or Were you confident after the transition you wud fall in a Joyous pattern....or you just did it becoz the then existing pattern itself was very painful to be in.
This is one of my hot fav topics...but being very personal...not many like to share even what you did. Commendable again and My thanks again. Maybe sitting where you are now...before the monitor....you maynot have the Idea of What it can do to human lives. Trust me....One such single post from one person sometimes acts as the right trigger to change a Human life. There are lot of visitors, especially the newbies here on this site who may just find that.
Love...Sachin
Tanzan....I've seen the Romantic heart in you a while back. Why not that Track? I do understand we are on the opp sides of the spectrum especially when it comes to God&spirituality. I do respect the Atheists....honestly I've found some of them to be 100 times more Genuine than some of the Spiritualists, who are just good in lip service. I found you being a genuine one. I don't really like to go on that Track at least for now.
There are more tracks to choose from life...
Take care...Sachin
Dear Sachin,
Thanks once again. I have written, and translated many romantic poems, including poems of Pablo Neruda, into English free verse that I have been considering posting at this site. Mallika once told me it would be all right. But now I sense some rashness and hotheadedness here. So I am postponing posting any poetry here.
We may have different views of the world, but we still could be friends and live in harmony. I do respect your views. But I am afraid my postings might stir something unpleasant here. So I am considering taking a long break. I decided to do this two days ago, but Mallika posted something saying she would once again welcome everyone to contribute here. So I complied.
I will be reading everything most of the time, that goes on here and might occasionally post a comment or two to some blogs. But for the time being, I will be translating some Spanish poetry for an anthology that I have been trying to put together. I have some poet friends in Latin and South America who are getting impatient as I have been ignoring them for the past two or three months.
Hopefully I will some day be active again in my postings. Let me first see how the wind blows here.
Kind regards, respect
Tanzan Senzaki
Dear Sachin,
Thanks once again. I have written, and translated many romantic poems, including poems of Pablo Neruda, into English free verse that I have been considering posting at this site. Mallika once told me it would be all right. But now I sense some rashness and hotheadedness here. So I am postponing posting any poetry here.
We may have different views of the world, but we still could be friends and live in harmony. I do respect your views. But I am afraid my postings might stir something unpleasant here. So I am considering taking a long break. I decided to do this two days ago, but Mallika posted something saying she would once again welcome everyone to contribute here. So I complied.
I will be reading everything most of the time, that goes on here and might occasionally post a comment or two to some blogs. But for the time being, I will be translating some Spanish poetry for an anthology that I have been trying to put together. I have some poet friends in Latin and South America who are getting impatient as I have been ignoring them for the past two or three months.
Hopefully I will some day be active again in my postings. Let me first see how the wind blows here.
Kind regards, respect
Tanzan Senzaki
Dear Richard Thomas:
Thanks for you post. No, you're not really talking to yourself! lol
Thank you for pointing out that Marianne Williamson has message boards again. I did realize that but they were closed down for a considerable period until she redesigned her site.
By the way, are you the Richard Thomas who used to post on her site. If so, nice to see you again. :o)
richard howard
Tanzan,
Bodies turn to dust and leaves fall
A smile in someone’s picture album - gone.
A touch, a curve, a shiny lock, a bruise
The sound of feet on sand
And every line you’ve ever drawn...
The time to love is now.
Love may be rough like concrete or gracious as a swan
But now’s the time to hold, for now is here, not gone,
To feel, down to your toes, the joy of tears and sorrow
The bliss of passion, madness and love without tomorrow
The softness of this moment, the truth within this touch
Allow your life go through you until you scream- too much!
And when the body’s long gone, and when the silence flows
You’ll find that which is still there, you’ll be the one who knows..
True Tanzan! Most certainly we cud have different views and opinions and we Cud still admire the prowess in that field...of the other person. I find it amazing sometimes....I've so often found a gentle energy in you....in your critique. Generally criticism carries a Nasty energy. Do you remember me telling you of the guy by name Steve at Chopra.com whom you remind me so very much. Very slick and sharp...Down to earth, genuine, honest. Strange why I'm attracted even when it's on the opp end of the spectrum. I think it's the Clarity&Genuinity. He's more tilted towards Atheist....but I cud See God in him. He also at the deepest level did...but he Expressed in his own Unique style.
Take my word...You're too Good a guy, don't let your talent go waste...and don't get into conflicting tracks...it's not worth the time of a precious life. For fun...maybe yeah now and then. Ideally I think you shud be with those Spanish guys maybe, in the field of Poetry&Translation. Did you hear that song "Dukhi mann mere sun mera kehna...Vahan nahin rehna jahan nahi chehna". Perhaps you cud translate it. Where your heart doesn't resonate Tanzan, doesn't find joy....stay away from that world...and be there where you've like minded, where you're respected and loved for who you're.
Serious lena Dost advice ko....Hur kisi ko Chocolate biscuit ki tarra nahi detha voon. Sirif unko dena pasand kartha hoon jho Qabil hai.
Take Care Buddy....Sachin
Dear Sachin,
Dukhi mann mere
sun mera kehna
Vahan nahin rehna
jahan nahi chehna
Listen to me
My sorrowful heart
Don't be there
Where you're wanted not
Kind regards, respect
Tanzan Senzaki
PS: Aurora, thanks for the poem. Bye for now.
Thank you Sachin, yes I haved popped in over at chopra.com a few times over the years.
Aurora,
Yes, I think I recall seeing those flight attempts many of them would crash at first.
Hi Richard,
I have not been there much over the previous months but there was a time that I posted there a number of times, so that might have been me, I just use the name Richard there but sometimes may have signed as Richard Thomas.
Dear Sachin,
This Truth has become self-evident to me. Surrender Many times!
When I am most in distress
It's the only thing to
really 'save' me.
A broken heart,
becomes the Open heart.
May our hearts always stay Open,
and in That,
may they never be broken again.
I trust in This.
:)
~ Kate
Hi Richard Thomas (I have to be specific now that there are two of you)...
I was kind of waiting around for Mallika's Open Thread to post this to you, but I have to tell you THANKS while I'm inspired to.
Your post from January 10, at 4:26pm has really sunk in. The words had such an impact, I copied them down and may even write them in my journal for an easy reminder.
While reading through the comments last night it caught my eye and and I went back to it twice to reread it--not truly knowing the synchronicity of it then. Without going into massive details, it has a deep meaning for me.
Knowing that, this morning I was talking to a friend of mine who has also had a recent death in his family. We've been talking a lot about death and what happens afterwards concerning not-so-close relationships. He pointed out that he felt the same as me, trying to deal with guilt and past conflict. He said these words, "You know I think it is more of an egotism issue."
WHOA! I thought of you instantly. Those words had been circling my mind all day. I came home and read what you'd written over and over, and I think you are right on the nail!
Awesome thought process Richard! Really, I would not be writing this if I didn't mean it. Very well organized, clear and consise.
Thank You.
Funny, most of the time I'm not thinking about Perfect Order, but when it hits you and you notice it, it's like a punch in the face! When you need it, it's already there.
Awesome Richard.
sometimes , we are uncomfortable hearing or reading certain things; because they serve as reminders that we need and we would rather "escape" them. Things we need to learn most are ironically the things we are extremely resistive to.
my learning has been that the teachers recur in different avatars until we learn.
Truth reminds us from myriad sources. We mostly tend to focus on the sources, rather than on our responses to the stimuli. Secure concepts we have taken refuge in are threatened in such stimuli. The role of stimuli as I see it, is to test our concepts and then to faciltate a stronger adherence or a drop off.
Shutting off merely "manages" a conflict. To me, it indicates, shakiness and off-centring within.
Always , a matter of personal choices , though.
"Dear Aurora,
Are you fooling me?
Nothing lasts for ever,
Nothing is always there,
Things come and go."
yes, she talks about you behind your back I hear...yes indeed, the mirror HAS 2-faces.
what a charade! lol
North
Exactly, Sundar; now, if the people continiuing their denial here would care to re-read the blog; I did not come in here defending for me in one iota! I came in here, as my initial post proclaimed; to defend 4 other women, feeling sexually-harrassed and abused/manipulated.
The ironic thing is: that people continue to not see the difference? IS a cops feelings hurt, when he cuffs a rapist? NOPE< neither are mine, when I defend sexually harrassed women!
Get a life you guys; Aurora, take off your mask; quite a few of us already know you make fun of these guys behind their backs; emailing your "vice squad" while you kiss their butts here; you are a real gem aren't you? lol
YOu guys must be real desperate for entertainment; you got the facts wrong, you mimic each other like monkeys; you follow a healer, making fun of you privately... whew! what a den of fools.
North
To the sobbing women; whom asked my intervention against Tanzan, Navin, Sachin, and other men; I came here and fought your battles for you; now I'm pegged as the "wounded one" while you did NOT, not one of you, come to my defence, in your defence, during the battle.
I see some of you posting at intent again...nice
Next time you need a champion though?, please lose my email address! I am disappointed in each of you, for letting me continue to be shit on, in your steads on this thread...shame on all four of you, for letting ME, eat your shit for you too?
North
Thank you every one..Sundar you have made excellent observations..I think the things that make us uncomfortable at times are what we may have indulged in ourselves and have known to not be right.
Very few people have the courage to accept things when shown the mirror..we often blame others for what is a reflection of our own selves. Divya made a very important point here-that eventually people know the truth. I have always found that in the end the only person we end up fooling is ourselves. Having said that I also say forgiveness is such an amazing weapon to have..it works each time you unleash it and one thing all of us can hope to receive each time we mess up!
North, you are one of my gifts in cyber space and real life..a gem..and I hope to come to Canada in the summer to spend some time with you..my only request is not to wear yourself thin by exhausting yourself emotionally on the blog..
You are wise enough to know that emotional and physical health are interconnected..I want to see you keep the positive and blow away the negative..its not easy for any one of us..as my friend's son said..I try but its a daily struggle for me to be good..its a struggle for all of us when we see negativity, or implied malice..but the truth always comes out..the darkness indeed makes us appreciate the light so much more..and we will continue to find it in all areas of our life constantly..
Kate beautful words..every one else thank you
I saw the other posts after I posted the one above. Let me go on record and say here..North you have my admiration and love and babe you have more balls here than a lot of men!
thanks for being the knight(ess) in shining armor for so many..now which is the highest honor in Canada for valiance and generosity and guts? Let me know I will get aditi to send her goon squad to get the govt to give that to you!:)
lots of love and hugs(and yeah the hunks too)
You are the genuine gem Kavita, and I mean that quite sincerely. Thanks for your kind words.
I'll be starting on the measuring of Mieke/Harbs bookcover this weekend. Well, measurements are done, now to put in the hundreds of guidelines to insert the design and test!! coming along nice, so been busy, keeping my mind free for less negative stuff.
Funny thing IS: I have never been harrassed on Intent, I came in to defend four ladies I don't know; so the perspective here is so distorted, it only serves to show really, what negativity ultimately can instill among peaceful intentions.
North
you seem extremely hurt, north...whatever be the reality of the issue, please relax..stay in that hurt and allow your learnings to flower...focussing on the source of hurts would not enable one's learning...as i have said earlier, in my opinion, blogspace is a convenience for mirroring spaces as any other...it is a platform for learnings and evolutions...for everyone concerned...and to be a learner in existential spaces is a great blessing...however, as in everything, some of us are good learners , some of us are not so good...let us focus on our abilities and receptivities to the learning processes in our lives...if , in your opinion, some feel comfortable wearing their masks..so be it...we have to respect individual choices, howsoever, contra-indicative they may be to one's positionality....it is important for you to remain centred in your learning space...
life is not about proving a point, ever....proving a point does nothing to the quality of our lives, neither does bring other people around to our ways of thinking...we have to evolve in our spaces and discover love, joy and peace for ourselves..and environments such as this space are a facilitator, a medium...
God Bless...
awesome North. I will be publishing your poems too shortly.
Kavita, you are too cute! lol but, I'm afraid the government doesn't digest my presence too well; they don't care much, for educated, disabled women either(gentle smiles.) I look forward to our meeting; I tell my son everything about you; he thinks you sing angelic, and are beautiful; and he remembers when my hair was long like yours not long ago...
North
Sundar, please realize, I am not as fragile as you prefer to believe; or that others seem to prefer to believe? I am an educated woman, not afraid to howl at the moon. That is all.
North
Hi Kavita, still looking for my good one; lots got stolen by the movers in 04 : ( It appears, lots of that stuff too; though I did find, the 6 issues of the college newsletter I designed; and going to send them to you; as some jokes in their are cute! lol I actually found though; a binder with lots of stuff I've made, but it's big and heavy and my only copies of my profilic projects.
North
sorry if that was intrusive, north...to be very honest, i feel you are a very strong person...just presented my views...tx.
Sundar, just re-read your post(blush) yup, you are right after all(deep red blush)
North
No, you are right Sundar..I must focus more intrusively within myself, to be sure; thanks for the reminder, I really DO value and appreciate your observations, that, you know of, is true(smiles.)
so, in good gesture, I forgive the women who sent this little lambylion to slaughter in their stead(grin)
North
That is a tragic loss indeed North, but we need that picture first..the hunks will want to see the leonine poetess!
I'm sure you will write more stuff. Let me look at your other stuff when I get there.
As for the govt..well you never know what the goon squads accomplish especially since so many goons are part of the govt! I say when goon meets goon things get done soon!Amen (and aaah..men!-maybe we need more women at the helm!)
Dear North,
Kavita speaks of what is true. You are a gem, and I see the most amazing woman in you, and I confess, when I have not been so confident myself. I am growing into the Being I imagine, which is beyond labels and opinions, and even what I look like phsyically!
Like a butterfly emerging from a cocoon. You are one such woman - that has emerged with skills and talents galore. Truly, I enjoy your designs, I have often visited your site. I think Harb will be well pleased with the work you create for his book.
I too have had my share of really tough stuff to deal with. My burdens however, are light compared to the plight of women and children in near and far places, struggling for respect they (we ALL) deserve, as well as decent places to live and raise children. With opportunites to grow. And good health care. Its possible, I believe, and yet, for many reasons we have discussed in blogs at intent, It Still Doesn't Happen. What will it take, what must it take, to See, this is not necessary!
With love,
~ Kate
dear Kavita, I continue to pray for Sudha. Blessings to her and her family.
lol...amen to that,north... and kavita...when goon meets goon.... was priceless...
Kavita, working on the pic, you know the reason(blush) will be forthcoming, and in your hands by latest end-month-4th? My ex is fronting me a small loan maybe friday; I don't know how much, so maybe can DO, this weekend instead? I got let down last time, so I never count on the help? we'll see what I can do then.
North
Kate, Sundar, Kavita, wow! pick-me-up-buttercups! thankyou(blushing.) and thanks for visiting my albums; those are all just fun projects! wait until you see the bookcover; Harb called it: breathtaking! lol
well, I have to go people; my son is asking for HIS turn on the PC...hate to fly; but, this bird must!
ciao for now, vias condias
North
Thank you Kate-Sudha met the surgeon who is to operate on her..a very compassionate woman and one of the top surgeons in the country. Her compassion and positive attitude made the whole family feel really good.
The cancer is such that it usually does not occur in the breast by itself but comes from somewhere else..tomorrow she gets a complete ct scan to see if any other organ is involved..
the surgery may be scheduled next week and once they take out everything they will know really what it is.
Thank you for your prayers and to every one else who has sent their good wishes and prayers for her.
Sundar I'm going to write some humor columns soon-may be the goon chronicles may see the light first..I wish Rahul Khanna would come back..maybe aditi got him!
Sending healing love and prayers to Sudhar.
Cinda
Sending healing love and prayers to Sudha.
Cinda
ay to go kavita, all the best..a suggestion for your friend....emotional healings are critical in treatment of cancers...while other efforts may go on....if you know of some Jin shen Do practitioner locally, it is an awesome process...in emotional healing realms..
Thank you Cinda..Sundar I will look into that. Meditation and yoga too have a great healing effect..evidently there are some specific yoga exercises for breast cancer survivors so we will check that out..
Sachin,
Truthfully, I was just in so much pain that I had to change. It was that or end my life. I realized that I didn't want to go on in constant agony but I didn't want to "check out" until I had exhausted every resource at hand. I figured if none of that works, well, I can still end it but I might as well try. I can clearly remember yelling at God all of my pain and once it had exhausted itself and I was quiet, a voice inside said "well, maybe I CAN find something that will help". One small glimmer of hope was left.
That moment was the most important one. I had the *intent* to heal and then the pathway opened up. I had always been interested in things spiritual - had grown up in an evangelical christian family that was religious but not very spiritual - but I had long since abandoned that.
So my quest took me in several directions - all of which fell into my lap or so it seemed ;-) - one of which was an alternative healing mode called "rebirthing". I met this healer so clear and so full of love and I knew that she would care for me. I just *knew* it. She helped me heal and held me while I cried, sobbed, screamed, kicked, swore like a sailor ;-) and did everything else I needed to get out the pain. Then through breath work, she helped me fill up with love. I eventually got into Reiki and found the same thing in another form. I also began meditating and explored development of my intuitive/psychic side.
It has been a long road and it still continues. I just know that I feel better when I let love flow through me so I keep coming back to that. I continue to forgive - I have found that forgiveness is a continual process - because I have to. My survival is dependent upon it.
BTW, not only do I never contemplate suicide anymore and haven't done so for many, many years now but I love life and my only fear is that there won't be enough days or opportunities to do everything I want to do!
Thank you for your caring and concern, Sachin.
Kavita - you definitely have to come up to Canada when we have our Intentblog meet! And see if you can prod that Pretty Boy Khanna into posting a blog sometime soon ;-) I miss his humour.
Much love, Sheba
I feel so proud of you Sheba. I know this will inspire anyone who reads it. No matter what we are battling in our daily lives we need such stories to remind us that the human will is greater than anything else, and cliched though its sound..where there's a will there's a way..
Rahul Khanna..looks like I'll have to get my goon squad to kidnap him and bring him back to the blog..
and may be to Canada..he was in toronto last october..you guys should have nabbed him then..btw do you know his father has been the handsomest movie icon to grace the Indian cinema screen. He is now a politician and a very hard working committed one, and a great humanitarian..if you do a google search on vinod khanna you will see what I mean..rahul looks like his dad..and is just as kind
Tiffany,
Glad that you found some value in that post yes everything seems connected in a mysterious sort of way, seems some divine essence is always working behind the scenes.
Thanks for mentioning it.
Dear Sheba....Good on you!! What a journey! This being a public forum....it does help to be a source of Inspiration to others for that shift inside.
But...I think the healer you found was the anchor at that time. The reason why I asked you was that....for such a big Transition an anchor can fasten the process. To do it all by oneself....either you've to be courageous to see the Naked truth or just some miracles from God.
Keep it up Sheba!!
Love..Sachin
Dear Kate.....Surrender is an Advanced concept in Love. Women are naturally better Endowed than men in this. This is Too Ugly an atmosphere to talk abt such a lovely concept. I feel sad sometimes that being a man I've to explain this to a woman, that too someone like you...Who is so Heart Dominated. It's you who has to show me the Way of Love.
If I talk abt surrender here. People may think of an Ego battle between man&woman. It's the most sickening track to be in! I'll talk abt it someother time in detail. In short it is the complete erasing of the Ego in the Deep state of love. It's an Experience Kate! You know it..don't you when the "I" is erased at least transiently, what is experienced. I've often read that in your posts,so I know you know. It' silly to talk in words though.
Love..Sachin
K,
North's cover design is simply breathtaking, and i have said so to her.
love to you both.
hi kavita!!
harb
HI Harb, thanks! and I've just sent Mieke the actual layout pic an hour or so ago I worked on roughly tonight while my son was online having HIS turn! you will prob get it tomorrow/ it's a real rough draft, but should give you an idea. Also, don't fret, the design will also be properly fixed to fit IN; so, the design looks like a book, flat out to see back and front w/text added(wink!) again, just a rough draft ok? lol
North
Kavita - you are so sweet. I am always inspired by you, your writing and stories about others.
As for "Intentblog Meet, 2006: Toronto Or Bust", the more, the merrier! But yes, we should have nabbed Pretty Boy when he was here last fall. I did see the interview that Mohit did with him on tv which was great. (And I did google his father, and wow! the photos of Vinod The Younger are hard to tell apart from Rahul's!) BTW, poor Vijay! We may have to rent a convention center if this grows anymore! (And that's fine with me!)
Sachin - yes, for sure the rebirthing healer was my "anchor" through that time. Definitely a *gift from the gods* and a pure example of the "when a student is ready..." truism.
Have a good night, everyone!
Love, Sheba
Hi Harb,
yes North's book cover is gorgeous..
Sheba, I have forwarded your post to the pretty boy khanna..lets see what he says..I think he is just playing hard to get..lets send Kristin over I say if aditi doesnt work!
Its 1 a.m. here I had better hit the sack as well..was supposed to do it 2 hours ago..
Toronto or bust! yeah! lol
got my net and paddles ready!
watch out though; Tiffany is practicing!
North
"Get a life you guys; Aurora, take off your mask; quite a few of us already know you make fun of these guys behind their backs; emailing your "vice squad" while you kiss their butts here; you are a real gem aren't you? lol" - North
Dear North,
it probably won't make any difference to you if I tell you that this is not true. For you, it is true because "you have heard" it and because it fits perfectly with your world view. I wish there was something I could do to show you a world where one doesn't need to e-mail people and talk behind their backs, where one is at peace with oneself and everyone else. But I can't, and I accept that. Good luck with your art and projects, dear North, all my best to you!
Scott,
Just got as far as your comment and simply had to respond straightaway.
Scott, are we twins seprated at birth? ;)
Sheba, such a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing :)
thanks kavita! where did you see it? you have such all-prevasive eyes!!
thanks north, i am waiting..
Sheba,
What a transition you've made in life. It's simply amazing and a joy to read how you coped with such a personal, emotional tragedy. Reading your story, specially on this particular blog, made me understand for myself that what I am doing here is learning from you and everyone else.
I didn't come here to be taught, educated or lectured. In spite of that, to still learn, because people are honest, open and compassionate enough to share, makes this such a wonderful experience. Thank you.
beautiful share, sheba, thanks...butterflies necessarily have to go through the suffocating experience of a cocoon before they break free and fly in joy and beauty..
Hi kavita, i am shivam from bangalore. I wonder what makes u so caring about these misogynists. they are idiots, fools who dont understand what blog is all about. they are uncivilised, barbariansa who mistakingly have been brought into this world...
my prayers are with your aunt. i pray that ordeal gets less painful as it can.
be strong/
Thanks every one.
Dear Shivam, nice to have you here from Bangalore. My father was posted there when I was a child..and I have some beautiful memories of wide roads and gulmohar trees. 1 studied there in kindergarten at the sacred heart convent.I believe Bangalore has now become quite congested like all other big cities in india. I plan to visit there some time this year.
Sudha ji is also from Bangalore, orginally before migrating here in the 70s. Thank you for your good wishes. The CT scan is being done in an hour's time..We are keeping our fingers crossed.
lots of love
Dara....Could be we were seperated at birth. I was adopted ;).
Peace,
Scott.
Aurora....I know you since Chopra.com and I know how deep spiritual knowledge you've and a couple of times....I've mentioned too this to you, and encouraged you to be a teacher which you're of the knowledge you possess. You do understand abt Projection and the miserable patterns. I guess you must have tried like many others explaining this...but just like what you said in your post, the same I had said in my above....which some other posters too said the same. We all can do it till a certain point...after that one is on his/her own.
I'm writing this to you, becoz it's a public forum...and it does become part of our responsibility to keep it healthy for other visitors to learn. Dear Deepak&Newbies are still the Common factor between us. Keep up the good work.
Love...Sachin
Is it possible to see
any laughter
even behind the back
Is never at
anyOne separate...
only at This separation thought within...
love, Carolyn
Thanks for your kindness, Sachin, I know I have a teacher's personality, a friend of mine once teased me saying that I must have even lectured the stork who brought me, lol... We all learn, and my lesson right now is about when to keep my big teacher mouth shut. It's difficult, because, you know, sometimes it does help to lecture. Sometimes, one of a hundred drops his/her jaw and goes...aha! I remember the first time I realized that I was projecting, thanks to a friend who bugged me long enough - I didn't see it, I didn't see it and then the next moment - there it was. I do believe, like you, that we have a responsibility to shine forth what we have understood about the mechanics of suffering and about the beauty beneath it, that we all are. But I'll stop here, before I start to lecture again, lol...
Yes, Carolyn, it is:)
Good to see you both Aurora and Carolyn at the same time. Right on...like you said...especially in today's atmosphere got to be very careful when to talk what to talk.
As said...becoz this has become imp, most humans have some kind of projection or the other. It's good Aurora..you gave your example just like Sheba did...if you both have, I may as well...at least it may inspire one or the other here to make those shifts inside for the better.
I used to Project my Ideals on Dear Deepak...which never existed in him, but I used to think it did. We find some object or the other to Project what is Inside us positive or negative. It was only thru' discussions and criticism of the Master, that I cud see it was only My Projection and it was never there in Dear Deepak.
Projection is So So common that it is considered to be a normal trait in humans...but, it is far from the truth, which is what one has to realize.
God bless...
Love...Sachin
Thanks for your example, Sachin, this is so exciting. I mean, if we are honest to the core, not only is everyone we hate or love an aspect of ourselves, but also, all aspects exist in everyone. I mean, you say that the positive you projected was not there- I'm sure it was, you know? Because everything is everywhere we look. Like, if someone projects dishonesty on me- it's there all right, because I'm everything a human being can be, from devil to angel. There is great freedom in knowing it about oneself and the world. Everything is there, but what we focus on, what we give our energy and attention to is a choice, conscious or reflexive, and it creates the world we live in.
Congrats for your insights, Sachin!
Aurora...What do you mean by Congrats?:)) You mean as though I had the revelation just recently. What do you think I was doing when I was at Chopra.com in 2002? I realized somewhere then. It's all the effort of Deep Brutal Introspection and Self reflection for yrs, of course guided from and now then by someone like Dear Deepak.
Well...the Intention here is not really to talk abt ourselves...but primarily to set an example to others who need to understand and make that change inside at their time on their path, as each one's is Unique.
Love...Sachin
Congrats for insights whenever you had them, Sachin! What's a few years, what's even a life in the big picture.
"Thanks for your kindness, Sachin, I know I have a teacher's personality, a friend of mine once teased me saying that I must have even lectured the stork who brought me, lol... We all learn, and my lesson right now is about when to keep my big teacher mouth shut." Aurora
Bingo! i've been trying to say that to you for years...even recently(smiles)...IF I want to hear a lecture, I'll choose/decide if/and/where/why/when...NOT the lecturer decision to make...nice growth spurt btw!
North
Thanks, North :)
Kavita: You really sent that to Rahul? Oh my. BTW, I think you're right about him playing hard to get - I'll bet that Pretty Boy is a real tease ;-) (Perhaps if we keep being *cheeky*, he'll have no choice but to come out from hiding!)
Thank you, Aurora & Sachin for sharing your stories. They definitely inspire me. And thank you Dara for your kind words - I am so humbled and I am learning from you and everyone else here.
Sundar - what a beautiful image! Thank you. I love your blog, btw. Such inspiring words :-)
Sheba..you need to connect with diablo..you have cheeky thoughts on your mind(and I saw you were on the other blog discussing anatomical things that may or may not be doorbells/doorknobs? and he wants to know what's on the menu tonight..
yes I did send it to rahul..and may be I shall disclose soon where he is!
Kavita!
I dare saying *finding Rahul* might be easier for some men ;-) LOLOLOL
Yes, I'm all cheeky tonight!
Scott,
"Dara....Could be we were seperated at birth. I was adopted ;)."
The trail gets warm Scott. So before we schedule a face to face, let me just confirm a few other facts:
Are you by any chance pidgeon toed, bandy legged and knock kneed? Also some more confirmation - just to be sure - bald except 49 grey hairs at irregular intervals, cauliflower ears with bushes growing out of them and an enormous beaky nose protruing almost to the lower lip? In short are you the type of person that makes mothers with little children in tow cross the road when they see you approach and the one who can cause the tide to move out and never return when you visit the beach?
Awaiting your answers and we can fix up a meeting.
In hope,
Dara :)
Hello Dara,
I too, await Scott's answer. I am intriqued by this mystery, and possible connection between you two.
:)
~ Kate
dear Kavita,
continued prayers for Sudha
and her family.
My X cannot hurt my FEELINGS but the kids don't even try and my feeling is hurt plenty
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I too, await Scott's -
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Scott,
"Dara....Could be we were sepera
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Kavita!
I dare saying *finding Rahul* m
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kavita chhibber commented on HURT FEELINGS
Sheba..you need to connect with diablo..you hav
Kavita,
With all due respect for your feelings (and they are beautifully put)I do not agree with your posting. Not at all. I am a woman. The derogatory cooments about women do not affect me. Not at all. Why? Because such statments are not about me. I am confident enough in myself, my womanhood to say: these comments say/tell much more about those who write them then about me.
I prefer to know what lives in peoples minds then live in denial. That is what you're doing here. That is what the people who leave this blogg are doing: they live in denial. Are those ideas/beliefs going to go away just because you do not wish to see them?
Are those people going to change their minds if you silence them? No.
The only way to change minds, to really achieve a shift in ideas/beliefs/patterns is when you allow those people to show their true feelings and "kick their ass" or (more nicely put)try to change their minds (or educate them a little if you prefer).
Silence and denial resolve nothing.
Let it all come to the light. Then we can really achieve some changes. Let it fester in the darkness and in silence and it will only grow.