Part of the problem is WITH the organized religions. They cater to themselves and add all these rituals made by man. If we could just see that God is everywhere, in everything and with us all the time, people would realize that Churches are really not needed. I gather at peoples houses and discuss Scripture. We do things to help people and learn. Isn't this the way it started with Christ? As I see things, it is somewhat easy for me to keep my religious beliefs out of politics, as the law of the land must be moral, not religious, to keep it balanced and not allow for a religious Theocray. By keeping it moral, we can accomadate all and exclude none. And yes, we that choose to, should bring back that 'lost' deity.

It's interesting to see how the concept of God serves as a projection platform for everything we don't want to take responsibility for. We act blindly and, surprised by the consequences, we blame them on God's will. We don't want to change our ways but wait for God to save us. We don't even dare to go to war in the name of our own anger and greed, but have to hide behind God's banner. Whom are we fooling?

I would like to ask you all something Including Deepak,

Do you think or are you of the opinion that God (whatever that might be) is consciously aware and constantly Judging and making conclusions about what we are doing here on earth as human beings in every day life?.

When I hear what you think then I will tell you what I am of the opinion of as regards that idea.

How can one's not judge one's (past) conditioning, or Karma, Simon?

or at least call it 'contrast',
right?

share you thoughts, Simon,

Love, Passion

you have answered my question with a question Marek my dear friend.

I will share my thoughts on the Subject

Simon,

Yes I think God is judging but it is not the kind of judgement we humans make. Isn't that what karma is all about--God sees from an omniscient perspective and knows all of the factors and variables and all that. But in some ways I do not understand how God can judge--I think God loves everyone and when you love someone you don't judge them do you?

What is there to judge in a re-creational creation? Simon, in a Vedanta sense of the universe, I only judge my output in the Law of Giving, in the final analys, it's between you and God

Love, Passion

That is Still a question Marek

LOL

maybe just a soft smile, would be the answer,
to the question of,
Love & com-passion
what's your point of view, Simon, spill it,

Yes or No Marek and an explanation

NO

Yes, I judge, I am human, simon,

Is God a judging God? no, how can he be, with all
this crisis in heaven, or earth, did he create, or man?

a divine dichotomy, the ego and spirit,

Love, Passion,
know this part of the Devil's Advocate? watcha think, Simon, and what is your
take?

The Devil's Advocate
[exerpts]
MILTON: Free will. It's like butterfly wings.Once touched, they never get off the ground. No. I only set the stage. You pull your own strings.

MILTON: ... Guilt is like a bag of fucking bricks. All you gotta is set it down... Who are you carrying all those bricks for anyway? God? Is that it? God? Well I tell you. Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift and then what does he do? I swear, for his own amusement, his own private cosmic gag reel he sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch but don't taste. Taste but don't swallow. And while you're jumping on one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughing his sick fucking ass off. He's a tightass. He's a sadist. He's an absentee-landlord! Worship that? Never!

LOMAX: Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven. Is that it?

MILTON: Why not? I'm here on the ground with my nose in it since the whole thing began. I've nurtured every sensation man has been inspired to have. I cared about what he wanted, and I never judged him. Why? Because I never rejected him inspite of all his imperfections...I'm a humanist. Maybe the last humanist. Who, in their right mind, Kevin, could possibly deny the 20th century was entirely mine? All of it, Kevin. All of it. Mine. I'm peaking, Kevin. It's my time now.

LOMAX: You want a child?

MILTON: I want a family.

LOMAX: The Antichrist.

MILTON: Whatever.

LOMAX: But I have to volunteer.

MILTON: Free will - it is a bitch. Kevin, I need a family. I need help. I'm busy. Millennium's coming. Title-fight. Round 20!

LOMAX: What are you offering?

MILTON: Negotiating?

LOMAX: Always.

MILTON: Freedom... is never having to say you're sorry.

LOMAX: Why the law? Cut the shit, Dad. Why lawyers? Why the law?

MILTON: Because the law, my boy, puts us into everything. It's the ultimate backstage pass, it's the new priesthood, baby.

LOMAX: What about love?

MILTON: Overrate. Biochemically no different than eating large quantities of chocolate.

MILTON: Vanity - definitely my favorite sin.

2 NO 1 Yes

Keep them coming My question was.............

Do you think or are you of the opinion that God (whatever that might be) is consciously aware and constantly Judging and making conclusions about what we are doing here on earth as human beings in every day life?.

God is not a person :)

Is that a No Aurora?

Q: Do you think or are you of the opinion that God (whatever that might be) is consciously aware?

A: Yes, offcourse, but the presumption is the believe that there is a God in the first place, wich I do,

Q: and constantly Judging and making conclusions about what we are doing here on earth as human beings in every day life?

A: No, offcourse not, he doesn't care what games his kids play, because he knows, at the end
of the game they return to Unconditional Love

Love, Passion, God is love, the criterium is Love, there is nothing but God

What's your take? Simon?

All in good time Marek,

Who said you can split up my question and give it 2 answers anyway?? Mr Podsiadlo!

LOL

Yes, it's a no, lol...
God is aware, God is awareness. Awareness doesn't judge, the human mind does.

O God!
We are back to God again!
God has always left us alone.
Why don't we leave God alone?
(if he or she really exists)

I would like to reiterate,
What I recently did state.
If there is God, indeed,
He/she is as stupid as man is.

Tanzan Senzaki

PS: And you dear Auroa. How dare you say," God is not a person."
Did he not create man in his own image? Does Bible not say this? What Bible do you read? Read the Holy Bible. Holy Bible does not lie. Has never lied. Will never lie. It is the word of Son, Father and the holy Spirit! Kind regards to you.

Any God would be better than the one that told Bush to go to war in Iraq!

I agree wholeheartedly with Deepak's intent to establish a rescue mission. But I want to respectfully suggest that the task is not to "rescue God" but to "rescue" an inclusive and compassionate "understanding" of God from the mouths of fundamentalists who want their "god" to bless them while intensely hating the enemies they hate.

In the horrifying example which made this morning's headlines, the god that fundamentalist televangelist Pat Robertson attributes as being a vengeful god who would strike down Prime Minister Ariel Sharon with a stroke for dividing the land is not the God who many moderate and progressive people of faith believe desires peace among the many peoples of "the land."

The understanding of God that we need to rescue is the understanding that God -- known by many names -- does love and care for all the peoples of God's creation and sees the whole creation as one unity, without man-made political boundaries that are ever-shifting, depending upon which army has the most power at the moment.

Since it seems that their is a battle for the Soul of God, or winning over the hearts and minds to the Chopra perspective(I do smell a great book here Dr.) I'm sure all of us would resonate with one side or the other from the debate presented herewith:

In his just published book, "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason," Sam Harris, who received a degree in philosophy from Stanford University and is now completing his doctorate in neuroscience, argues that religion is the cause of the world's evils, while reason is the solution.

I conducted a dialogue/debate with him on my radio show. What follows is one part of that dialogue. The audio of the entire dialogue is available at my Web site www.dennisprager.com, and the entire transcript can also be read there.

Dennis Prager: You believe that in secularism and in reason lie the answers to the moral problems of humanity. Is that a fair summary of your views?

Sam Harris: Yes, up to a point. I'm actually not discounting the range of human experience we might want to call "spiritual" or "mystical."

DP: I believe that if I took a thousand evangelical ministers -- the folks that you have a certain fear of, and I took a thousand professors in the liberal arts, I would bet every penny I have that the moral acuity of the thousand evangelical ministers would dwarf the moral acuity of a thousand liberal arts professors. For which reason Lawrence Summers, for example, the president of Harvard, announced two years ago that the seat -- the seat -- of anti-Semitism in America had shifted to the university. The university had also been the seat of support for Stalin. The university in Germany was the seat of the place to get Nazi philosophers. That you have such faith in secular reason is to me unbelievable, given the record of the secular rationalists.

SH: Well, first, let me agree with you that liberal, ivory-tower discourse right now is certainly in many sectors bereft of real moral acuity, and the kind of discourse you have about Israel in particular vis a vis the conflict with the Palestinians -- all of that is deplorable. But your first question, really, it all turns on what you mean by morality.

DP: Good and evil.

SH: Take something even more precise than that. Our aversion to human cruelty. All of us who are well wired neurologically and do not come into this world with whatever causes sociopathy have a predisposition to recoil at cruelty such as torturing other people certainly, and animals. I would argue that we don't get that out of our religious books. In fact, our religious books offer rather equivocal testimony on the moral status of cruelty. There's a lot of cruelty in them.

DP: I will defend the religious books, but you need to defend the alternative. Why is it that religious folks whom you fear turn out to be more morally accurate today than the secular folks at the university?

SH: I didn't concede that point. I think that when you're talking about something as fundamental as recoiling from cruelty you would find that healthy people are going to be more or less the same across the board. But I agree with you that about any number of things right now, academia has really become unhitched from morality as you and I know it.

DP: I admire the fact that you, who are in academia, would say that. But don't you ask what the root cause might be? To me it is clear: secularism.

SH: Well, actually, no, I think the root cause in academia, certainly liberal academia now, is what we call "political correctness." There are so many taboos in academia and in our culture at large. The one I'm going up against most directly in my book is the taboo around criticizing faith itself.

DP: There's no taboo on criticizing Judaism or Christianity. There's only a taboo in the university on criticizing Islam.

SH: Well, I actually find that people are very reluctant to criticize faith itself, even when they don't have it.

DP: Not Christianity. Everyone who goes to university learns that Christianity is an impediment to progress. It is part of the liberal arts curriculum.

SH: Well, I don't think this is at the core of either our agreement or our differences. I think that the problem we have to face now is that people are flying planes into our buildings because they believe their book was written by God. And it doesn't seem to me that our proper response to that predicament is to say, "No, no, you have it wrong; our book was written by God."

DP: Yet ironically, it is really only very strongly religious Christians, by and large -- and I'm not a Christian, I'm a Jew -- who have been at the forefront of criticizing Islam today. And they are called, by your whole secular liberal world, racists and bigots for doing so.

SH: Right. I agree with you totally. I think it's profoundly ironic that the most sensible statements about Islam to appear in our culture have come from our own religious dogmatists.

DP: It's not ironic. That's where you and I differ. It is their faith that gives them (their values and) the strength to say it. I think the university is a moral failure because it is radically secular. You think it's a failure because they're just weak-willed and politically correct.

If I lived 200 years ago in Europe, I would have been tempted by the argument that reason alone, without God, religion and sacred texts, can lead us to goodness. After the depredations of the French Revolution; the horrors of two secular doctrines, Nazism and Communism; the low moral state of American and European universities; and the moral cowardice and appeasement of evil in contemporary secular Europe, one has to be -- ironically -- a true believer to believe that reason alone will lead us to a more moral world. Of course, we need reason. But we also need God and moral religion.

Simon,

Nothing is judging no-one. God is a figment of human imagination.

cheers

Deepak,
I'm sorry, but this composition is so bizarre that I am forced to ask "WTF"? Given your reputation and history, I suspect that this has come from some deep inner musings, and just got totally distorted when it came out on "paper".

What religion do you refer to that confers "Blessed" status on a nation? What nation has a single God, that can somehow be "rescued" by the actions of a country, or that needs to be?

Your listed "reasons" are very strange.

-- 60-80%: "Attending Church Regularly" is a poor measure of individuals' relationships with God. It is, instead, a very good measure of people's relationship with churches, which is justifiably at a low point.

-- Many people have moved quickly in response to the religious infiltration of our politics. Unfortunately, those who oppose it have been totally ignored by the government. It is not the people who have been slow, it is the government.

-- While people can be religious, I don't believe that people can be "secular". Their actions may be secular, but this distinction between "religious" and "secular" people is garbage. A priest or minister who coaches the church's baseball team should not expect God to help his team win - any responsible cleric recognizes that this is a secular activity. Our govenment was founded by people who fully expected that most of the country's leaders would be religious -- and yet who still were expected to make decisions in a secular arena.

But the worst part of all is that you throw the entire debate into the wrong frame. God does not need to be saved. We, the people, do not and I think SHOULD not seek "Blessed" status as a country, as a party, or as a group.

The problem is NOT that God needs rescuing. It is that our COUNTRY needs rescuing. The evil done to our country comes primarily from those that DO feel we are blessed (and still think so to this day). Reinforcing or re-establishing this asinine belief is the last thing any truly religious person would want to do.

I have no problem with my relationship with God. It's not perfect. I'm still working on it, and my most fervent hope is that I will still be actively working on it up to my death.

The relationship of my countrymen with God is a private affair between them, and shouldn't EVER be any of my business. Maybe the Beatles were more popular than God, that doesn't make them greater, or God any lesser.

Deepak,

Sounds more like you are talking about the Anti Christ, which isn't God. The United States is a nation of many Gods, or perhaps God wearing many disguises. Thought this would be a great place to put my thesis ? on the Anti Christ it is getting a lot of poplular support across the Internet. best we get it exposed to we can move on to Peace.

The Anti Christ Exposed
Imagine for a moment Christ is Love. Imagine what would be it's opposite, Fear.

So the Anti Christ would create and use fear rather than Love.

Remember how many were taught they would go to Hell if they did not obey God and be good? Here we have fear being used as a tool, of the Anit-Christ.

Imagine you were God would you want people in Heaven that were good because of fear? Is that really the right motivation? Wouldn't you rather have an atheist that was good just for the hell of it? or a Pagan that was good out of Love, because they saw their self in all others. No and as you can see this notion of punishment is not of God.

It has been said that what portrayed itself as light and of God was really the darkness and what was claimed to be the darkness was really the light.

It warns in the Bible something that would portray itself to be of God but was really the Anti Christ, the opposite of Love.

If you were selling salvation what better way to increase revenue than to create guilt? What better way to produce guilt than to tie it to the expression of the Life Force. SEX

It was forbidden to masturbate, they would tell you one would go blind, because they knew you would and would feel guilty and then must buy your salvation and for some appear in the confession to admit your sins. For if you did not you would go to hell.

Guilt and Shame are tools of the Anit Christ, that which would use them are not of God.

Childeren of God are all of we. What parent would send there children to Hell? You see this is a lie. Heaven and Hell are not a destination they are a state of mind.

Sexual repression causes conflict, what better way to destroy unity? Make sex something dirty and unclean.

Why should it be a sin to stimulate another human beings nerve endings causing great pleasure?

What is the purpose of the depositing of the seed but to replicate a new machine, to provide for a new point of view?

Could nature be perverted? What would claim that it was? Perhaps something that was not of God.

The young child is taught to cover his body in shame, the child is also taught to identify with his body. Therefore he is taught to identify himself with shame and make him feel unworthy.

Jesus mentioned that you could do and be greater than he. Yet there are institutions that teach that you are some lower sinful creature and unworthy. Rather than have you express your greatness and divine nature there are those that would have you live in servitude as an indentured slave.

See through the Illusion the religious institutions and men have cast, for you are not finite you are infinite, you are not limited there are no boundaries; there is no scarcity there is abundance, for all matter is energy and energy is unlimited.

So now we understand that this is what the Church fears, that it will be found out that it is the Anti-Christ.

It is true that there is a spiritual foundation, great teachings, wisdom, in religion but it has been twisted to serve those who benefit from the deception. It is also true that religions served a purpose in their time for everything is in Divine Order; they no longer serve a purpose.

It is also true that religion, a man made fabrication, has become the conflict creator while it claims to promise Peace.

So now religion born of Ego will fall away leaving Spirituality born of the Divine.

Perhaps this is what certain religious institutions do not want to be known, that they are the Anti Christ in disguise.

I would note that this is not a reflection on any individual that is a member of these institutions but have some passed judgment, and labeled something evil and then attacked it with hate or justified lies and deception in it's regard.

This is not of the Divine nature, it is that of the Anti Christ the Ego, that which denies it's Self in others.

This is not directed at any specific church, or the members of any Church, it is just a revelation.

Buddhism, is not a religion, perhaps that is why they have never gone to war.

It is obvious that although it served some divine purpose, religion is behind all conflict and therefore is not of Spirit, but is of Ego.

Part of difficulty is that most of society does not understand the difference between spirituality and religion. For example spirituality as I understand it would be considered an experience of God. Whereas religion as I understand it is a set of rules, dogmas, and beliefs to follow in order to reach a God.

It's interesting that the American Constitution is actually a very spiritual document because people have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness by virtue of the their Divine Creator. Yet, it is also simulataneously not religious because it was written to avoid a theocracy, while still allowing for people to be spiritual. IE "freedom for religion as well as freedom from religion".

It is also interesting that nowhere in the constitution does it actually mention the words "separation of church and state". That was a purposeful misquote in order to give justification and broaden the meaning to political attacks that violate the Constitution by trying to prohibit the "free exercise thereof"

Referring to Deepak's book "How to know God " America has fallen back to a very primary state of religion and cosciousness of God.This is expressed by the actuel government,which reflects the average consciousness of american people today.So awareness is crucial to avoid further degeneration and hopefully enough hearts and minds are ready to stop the actual tendency.

Greetings from europe Tore

Oops I just realized that was a draft copy not the latest. I am still refining it, but the concept is becoming popular.

Quite often it attracts a hoard of fundy mentalists, quoting scripture that are unable to produce any original thought.

What is funny I started writing some of this about five years ago and wrote at that time that the institution that repressed sexuality was creating perversion and it would be it's own demise.

Enough said.

I want to also stress none of this is a reflection on any individual in any of these institutions because there are fine people in all of them. It is the institutional consensus of thought, belief and guided choice of perception that is I speak of.

"Where is God? Where is He? . . . He has been hanged here, on these gallows" (Elie Wiesel: Night).

Neocon American Zionist Initiates
are foremost among the ravenous 'blonde beasts of prey' of whom Nietzsche writes so endearingly of, the 'saintly chosen' who are beyond good and evil, and whose 'higher purpose' is to get filthy rich and nuke all non-Israelite Middle Eastern people, having secured the oil regions with conventional weapons.

So that is right, keep us 'deserving poor' with our self-inflicted wounds oppressed, or give us a carrot like a convenience store clerk job, and build another prison Tom Dick or George; here is to you Mr. John Robinson, you have done a wonderful job programming my people

But, I am de-programming some, even if I have to do it one drunken Indian or white trash at a time (and it just kills my already diseased liver, but, sacrifices must be made). . .

I hope God AIN’T dead. . .

You Marek, Simon and all, what's up, bra? Whoa!

I am back and tanned, looking rested, feeling blessed. The damsels on Paradice Isle had fun, had a blast, the time of their lives. Those bikinis... sizzled! Yeah maan! Xmas without snow ...only white sand that looks like snow.

No turkey dinner, but a taste of jerk chicken and some smoothe Jamaican brew. Drank some cocoanut water. Ever tried it? Damn, it's good! Gathered some fine sea shells.

Now, back at the ranch, and back to reality! There is a lot of catching to do. Hundreds of unanswered emails.

I could use a rum and coke right about now!

So, Simon, dude, I just looked at your post. Simon, if there is a god sitting out there in space watching our every move, we should have him arrested for lewd and rude conduct and voyeurism.

What god would want to watch you Simon when you mas...ba..ng in the privacy of your own room? Or putting shaving cream in your buddy's locker... pranking him out?

Cheers!

Naz Drowie!

Big D. Am out!

and speak of the Devil..
Yo D da man, on the topic of a voyeristic god..;)
got any pictures? sure love to see them,
I'll give you a polish rating on those jamaican coconuts, for a return of the favor, i'll show you some bolivian sugar in a fur coat (she's a bunny, allright ;)

With Love, Passion,

Yo Marek de Man, Polish Playboy & Prince Extraordinaire!

Curiosity kills the cat!

Your man D will never let you down, bro! You will see pictures that will blow your ....?

How was xmas at the Baltic? and how is the cyber love thing going with you and Cherry and all the applepies? Missed you all! Glad to be back!

Naz Drowie!

busy, man, had to freakin' miss, miss polonia,
this x-mas, one heck of an 2005, it was, you gotta love the seasons.., and business, in and out of court..
anyway,
come on man, put a introductionblog up, you've seen my terras, and everybody loves you here, so the girls spamm,

Love, Passion!

Simon,

You are a freak, dude!

LOL!

Ack - the comments started to get scary so i had to stop reading them. I do want to say i agree with Aurora.. especially "God is aware, God is awareness. Awareness doesn't judge, the human mind does. "

And Tanzan,

"PS: And you dear Auroa. How dare you say," God is not a person."
Did he not create man in his own image? Does Bible not say this? What Bible do you read? Read the Holy Bible. Holy Bible does not lie. Has never lied. Will never lie. It is the word of Son, Father and the holy Spirit! Kind regards to you."

I would say she dared say God isn't a person, because she does not view God as such. And you are scaring me very badly with that infaliable bible talk. And this is coming from someone who almost became a pastor! :) Jesus said himself somewhere in there (HOW i wish i remembered where) that the jesus/god in your heart should be trusted more than the bible itself. I recall that part from bible study because I really liked that verse.

And if you truely believe that humans were made perfectly in gods image.. then your god scares me! Selfish, judgemental, vendictive, moody, manipulative & unware are qualities i see in humanity (plenty of goode ones too, of course) that i wouldn't believe an almighty god to have.

But my view on god is rather complex and now i must be going. so i'll leave it at that :)

Love,
Ameya

I think that God does look "down" on us (His presence is not really up, but in) and judge what we do, but not in the way that a lot of people have been speaking about it. I think the judgments come with regard to how does He (and I use the masculine only because God is yang energy) create the next phase of the Path of the Earth and/or individuals. He works with what we give Him to work with, so our decisions (in a nutshell there are only two important human decisions we make throughout our lives: to follow either the Soul or the ego) our daily choices will affect the way He pushes the Universe forward on its Path. Choose the ego, we choose the hard Path; choose the Soul, we choose His Way, a lot easier. God is not a Judge, but more like an artist, and we are both His work and, in many ways, his media.

you should start a fanclub, Simon..
I'll chip in free legal aid..;),

Yo D, Bolivan sweetcake's online,
the girl's into Louise Hay, you gotta love that!
waiting on some highlights of yours,

with,
Love, Passion,

It is easier to void a question than answer it, it is easier to recoil and ask a question in response to a question.

I know what God is in my mind Santosh, Craig and Shirley (welcome back Shirl)...I didnt ask you to explain what it is in yours...I asked a question and that deserves an answer

My question was.............

Do you think or are you of the opinion that God (whatever that might be) is consciously aware and constantly Judging and making conclusions about what we are doing here on earth as human beings in every day life?.

A Fan Club!

I am your Number one Fan Marek please enlist me

watch some Laurel and Hardy movies mate they are excellent

Love Passion Apple pie with a cherry on top and all the rest of it.

Simon, another NO!

To answer with haiku:

How to see the world?
Universal Consciousness
playing every role

Life's play is scripted
Your part already written
So no adlibbing

There is no doer
How can there be? Life's a dream
Nothing has happened

God is just another of the mind's concepts.
Different for everyone.

Nisargadatta Maharaj says that, Consciousness is all there is.

LOL,
Indeed, that is profound spiritual advise, simon, good for the imuunsystem, if people would take themselfs more lightly, the world would be,
a .... place to be,

To be serious or to NLP, that is the question,

Love, Passion!!

What I am doing above is very simple....by asking this question .......

Do you think or are you of the opinion that God (whatever that might be) is consciously aware and constantly Judging and making conclusions about what we are doing here on earth as human beings in every day life?.

......... I am holding if you like a referendom on how people Invisage the almighty in 2006... is that so difficult to understand?

do you A: Belive that the Almighty, The divine is watching us, knows us, sees us, makes judgements about us, makes conclusions about our behaviour, takes pitty on us, laughs and cries with us?

or

B: Does not for whatever reason or none reason you care to suggest?

I honestly never get into debates away from the Internet about God or what the divine is or is not. an argument could be going on right next to me between a muslim and a Jew about what God is or should be and I wouldnt say a word either way. peoples beliefs are their own and they are totaly ok to be their own understanding. Infact a Muslim and a Christian did have a blazing argument right next to me recently and all I said was... can I get you guys a cup of tea?

Partly because of that reason is why I ask the question I have....it made me think because each of them guys refered to god as an exterior force...a salvation that is outside of themselves. Do many of us feel the same way?... do you really think that there is an exterior force aware of you and concluding your life?...tell me if you think that or do not think that.

I do not want a long winded poetic explanation of why you think this or that...

a yes or no and a brief explenation of why or how you came to your understanding.

simple simon

Thank you for your wisdom Bob Fisher

Simon to answer your question--Yes. God does look down on us laugh, cry, feel pity, etc. It is his creation--my queston--why would he be impartial/indifferent to it (his own creation)? Of course he laughs, cries, etc. Again why in the heck would He be indifferent to his own creation? The Bible says something along the lines of "God sees the fall of a sparrow from its nest." And again--I do not believe that He views the fall of the sparrow from its nest and views it with cool indifference. He does react emotionally to His creation!!! How can Love not Feel for what it (He) has created?
God is inside of us and also outside of us--it is not one or the other.

Deepak,
I follow your argument.Sometime ago De Tocqueville wrote of the American people that they are irrelgious and materialistic.
Can an irrelgious and materialsitic people rescue God.?Can any people rescue God.?Do we have that power.?
Can we perhaps rescue the Gods we created but not the original omnipotent Creator God?The one who created us in his image and likeness?
Eldora Blandin Lougheide

Ameya And Everybody Here Who Wants To Know How God Looks Like

"And if you truly believe that humans were made perfectly in gods image.. then your god scares me! Selfish, judgemental, vindictive, moody, manipulative & unaware are qualities i see in humanity (plenty of good ones too, of course) that i wouldn't believe an almighty god to have."

~Ameya

******
Ameya, two issues here:

I. Two persons may look alike, they may all together be different in characters, different in
personalities. One could be a priest, the other a murderer. Moreover, in the same image means, more or less, looking alike, like two arms, two legs, two eyes etc.

And there are people who died for sometime and came back to life and swear they saw God like a human being. What more proof would you want. Since God could be anything, so why it is wrong to assume that he could not look like a man. Moreover, no body saw God as a woman!

Ask any Hindu, all their gods, like Vishnu, Shiva, Rama, Krishna were reincarnations - avatars - of God and they all looked like normal human beings.

II
Now the second issue about getting scared. Maybe God does have bad as well as good qualities. Hindu God Shiva has the quality of destroying the world as well creating the world.

Father of Jesus in heaven, the Christian God, gives us floods, volcanoes, tsunami, tornadoes, cancer, death, and all suffering in the world along with good things in life, like beautiful women, money, cars, TV sets etc. So God does have both, good and bad characters.

What would you say to this?

I think the problem with all religions is they think God is goody goody. I think it is not so. He can be very bad. He can be too be moody like us. Some people have also seen him in the heaven when they died for few hours and came back to life. They tell God sits on a throne made of Gold and precious stones. So many beautiful women, fairies in English, apsaras in Hindi, dance around him and there is soft music going on there all the time. Everybody is happy there and smiling all the time - maybe permanent smile wrinkles on their faces, this is my imagination. Please excuse me for that. But I am serious of the other facts.

Now what would you say to this?

I also agree God is pure energy as opposed to impure energy as God is God. God could be anything.

See I agree with you. Now tell me, what makes you disagree with me?

Kind regards and all respect
Tanzan Senzaki

The converstions here are quite funny. If at night while you sleep and dream, if you kill someone in the dream, or have sex with someone that is not your waking spouse is it a crime?

Then how can crimes be comitted here?

What if this is really a syndicated galactic TV show? All your host machines have transmitters that send your expereince back to the Crystal City where there is an entire audience that like to watch, each one of you is a channel that can be tuned into, and it is from here we derive a pool of actors.

Kinda alters your perspective doesn't it?

What if there is no God but an entire audience that judges your character with a push of a button?

Sheds an entirely new light on things does it not?

Bet you start doing it with the lights off now.

Deepak,

I do agree we must rescue God from a couple different perspectives.

He is currently starving in many of his points of view on the planet so he does need some help.

I do agree that we can rescue the concept of God by rewriting it without it being adulterated by Ego, and establishing a consenus behind it. This will recreate God in a new form that will work for everyone.

Love you Deepak!

God loves everybody :-)

Where there is Love, there is God.
Where there is God, there is Love.

God is Love and Love is God!

Love, Char

a stream of water is flowing somewhere

in front comes a high ground.

it moves to the side

has it judged or not?

it thinks some force from behind made me do so

is stream right or wrong in thinking so?

has the stream judged so or the force?

we are like the stream, force like the judge

speaking trictly from God or One's point of view:

to judge we need to be two, the judger and that which is to be judged. when this all is One who can we even make the question?

The work of Faith based initiative

http://www.inminds.co.uk/tsunami.html

One missionary interviewed by the Telegraph newspaper[13], who didn't want his surname revealed, was candid about why he was in Banda Aceh (Indonesia):

"I'm not here to do relief work," said John. His calling was missionary work, he admitted. "They are looking for answers," he said of the disaster victims, whom he described as particularly good candidates for conversion.

"Now we are befriending them, giving them food aid, clothes and stuff. We need to make friends with them first rather than telling them the concept of salvation. Long term that's where we are heading towards, to save their souls."

Harb

"is stream right or wrong in thinking so?"
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG (My answer might not be right!)

"has the stream judged so or the force?"
NO, NO, NO (again I might be wrong!)

"the judger and that which is to be judged"

THE JUDGER (SIC) BECOMES THE JUDGED
THE JUDGED BECOMES THE JUDGER (SIC)

THEY BOTH BECOME ONE, THEY BOTH BECOME ONE
LIKE LIVING HAYPY THEREAFTER
THEY MERGE INTO ONE, THEY MERGE INTO ONE
THIS IS THE CORE OF HINDU PHILOSOPHY
KNOW EVERY ONE, KNOW EVERY ONE

Harb, my friend
with regards and respect

Tanzan Senzaki

Perhaps it has nothing to do with God. We respond with our abilities to help our brothers and sisters with Love and compassion.
It seems that some have bastardized religion.
A wonderful book " A history of God " by Karen Armstrong.

Love to all

Seascape, I like your expression:

"It seems that some have bastardized religion."

TS

god's blessings are always there all we need to do is to know it.

the tao of harb, lol.

I read your article and now i feel i got the right place to share my views and read excellent article on very exclusive and interesting topics.

tz, take a large peg of Old Monk and you too would become seeing ONE all aroundol....

your rational or left part of the brain is so powerful that it has completely drowned its right or intuitive part. it tries to make up for that though through translating others poetry, that too because it itself cannot write it because it again is a function of right or intuitive part of your brain.

of course all in a lighter vein and no question of hurt.

kind regards,
harb

"tz, take a large peg of Old Monk and you too would become seeing ONE all aroundol...." ~Harb

Your posts always bring laughter to me. Did you finish the bottle already?
Sometimes it is your philosophy of oneness, other times the side effect of Old Monk!

"the tao of harb: god's blessings are always there all we need to do is to know it." By Harb

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Now, how do we know the blessings? Through right part or through left part of the brain? Don't you think Old Monk works as a catalyst in realizing this Tao of Harb?

Regards
TS

You M,

Man, you look like you in love, bra! Whoa!

Whoahahahahahahahahahaha..............!

Left Right Which Side are You On?

http://brain.web-us.com/brain/LRBrain.html

A Visual Exercise For Observing and Reducing Hemispheric Dominance

http://brain.web-us.com/brain/Visual_Test_Hemispheric_Dominance.htm

Yo 'my dogs,' it seems perhaps some of us are getting a little nitpicky around here.

No judgments just an observation.

We are all in this together remember 'bros.'

Peace and love always

When I was a younger man I spent about 6 months asking God to show himself to me. I prayed, I fasted, I kept up a steady stream of, "Are You there?" Are You real? "Why don't You answer me?" and a host of other questions. After 6 months I got tired and finally shut up, and that very night a Spirit, who may or may not have been God, appeared to me, and said,

"GOD IS"

At first I was afraid, and tried to put things at the end of this statement like "God is Dead!" or "God is on vacation!" or "God is getting tired of your questions." Then I realized that the statement stood on it's own! As spoken. WE try to define God. but he is beyond definition.

"GOD JUST IS!"

stan,

your every word is true. it seemed to me i was writing it. bravo!

TZ,

you are missing the forest for the tree, as they say... btw, i rarely take peg...old monk is brought in just in lighter vein...it is called playfulness. seems you are taking it seriously....lol.

Dear Stan,
"God" is the biggest brand on this planet. ;)This brand has been created and maintained by smart alecs who know how to encash it to ensure for themselves a rich and comfortable life.

Quoting you:"When I was a younger man I spent about 6 months asking God to show himself to me. I prayed, I fasted, I kept up a steady stream of, "Are You there?" Are You real? "Why don't You answer me?" and a host of other questions. After 6 months I got tired and finally shut up" Unquote.

Been there, done that. :) Not only did I do what you did, I also abused "God" and called Him/Her/It some filthy names in the hope of annoying Him/Her/It so as to make Him/Her/It appear to me. But no result.

Quoting you:"and that very night a Spirit, who may or may not have been God, appeared to me, and said,

"GOD IS" " Unquote

Not been there and never happened to me. LOL. So, what what did this spirit look like? How do you know it was real and not your illusion?

Cheers!
Navin

Dear Navin,

Quoting you "Not only did I do what you did, I also abused "God" and called Him/Her/It some filthy names in the hope of annoying Him/Her/It so as to make Him/Her/It appear to me. But no result." unquote

This might have been your problem Navin. I never got angry or disrespectful, when I was asking.

Relative to what exactly happened. I had fallen asleep on the couch, that evening, which just happened to be Christmas Day, and I woke up about 3 AM. I move into my bedroom and lay down on my bed. I felt this heaviness start in my feet and legs like hundreds of hands pressing down on me, but not painful. The feeling moved up my body to my chest. I said in my mind. Stop! It did, and just hovered in the lower half of my body. I then said in my mind. "OK come on". The feeling swept up over my head and I could see into like another dimension. I saw a white figure coming toward me from far away. It reached out and touched me on my lips and I began to rise up out of my body. When I was about 6 feet above myself, It spoke and said, "GOD IS"
I screamed "Help" and fell back into my body with chills running up and down my spine. The reason I was afraid, was my mind straight away tried to finish the statement with God is dead, and other endings, and I freaked myself out of that higher consiousness. The mind is the culprit.

The Vision was real and my doubts about GOD'S existance were permanently erased.

Hope this helps,
Stan

Dear Navin,

One other truth I got out of that experience is it is impossible for you to hear anything when you are constantly talking or asking questions.

It was only after I shut up, that I was able to hear and receive the answer.

Kind Regards,

Stan

sure, bud..anyway, where are your's...?

Love, Passion!

Dear Stan,
That's really cool. The only experience that I've had with the supernatural (not any entity called God) was when I saw a ball of fire/energy rising up from my navel to my heart at one time. And then again approx. four years later from my heart to my throat. Both these events happened around 3 AM only, waking me up from my sleep. Is the timing a coincidence? Maybe it was what they call the Kundalini moving up. It's presently at my throat chakra.

And I didn't become disrespectful to "God" without being patient with Him/Her/It for not just months but maybe many years. It's only when cajoling didn't work that I cursed. Now I'm beyond both cursing and cajoling. I care two hoots if there is a God or not. They say that nice guys finish first. But what good is finishing first when the bad guys will stay ahead throughout the journey and the nice guys only get to "finish" first. LOL. As far as I'm concerned, justice delayed is justice denied.

Cheers!
Navin

Tanzan,
That fanaticism looks great on you, lol. I don't read the Bible, I read my own inner truth. I don't know if God has created man in his image, but I certainly know that I have created God in my image all my life. As soon as I grew up a little, so did God. As soon as I got over myself, you know what... so did God :)

Ameya,
don't be scared, the more you trust your inner wisdom, the less you'll feel threatened by other views. Good luck to you!

Harb,
I loved the flowing river.

Stan,
You obviously speak from experience. I had similar experiences and I think it's not at all unusual. Divinity is everywhere and so many people are tapping into the magic, more and more people. It is only the direct experience that can put an end to the absurd "oh yes it's true, oh no it isn't" debate. Every person is free to stay in the known or open up to the adventure of spirit.

Dear Navin,

These are two sayings I have found to be very useful and True.

"When the Student is ready the Teacher appears."

"The wheels of the universe grind exceedly slow but exceedly fine."

Not knowing the extent of our past lives, it is impossible to judge if we are receiving justice or not.

I think it is safe to assume that we are all deeply in each others debt, and therefore should be ready to give each other a break.....

unless of course you piss me off, or make me feel wrong, cut me off in traffic, or give me bad stock advise... just kidding

Cheers

Stan

Harb,

As always Beautifuly put my friend.

Dulcie, I can Understand what you are saying and I agree with you on certain aspects of your post.
The question I have asked can be quite difficult for some people to talk about because each person has a different approach to what they feel god is or should be.

I remember my cousin once told me a storey, she said that one time she had so much bad luck in her life that she began to doubt that her god was watching over her and thought maybe there is no god. So she prayed to God and said "Ok I am about to give up on you, if you are there God then you need to give me a sign or the deal is off". And she claims that a Dime was on the table in front of her that she said was not there a few seconds earlier.She also says that she keeps finding dimes every few days all over the city where she lives.

Personaly I think that is just a coincidence. But she is adiment that god is watching over her every day. And she refers to god as her creator.

That is a nice little storey, but I do not belive god is really watching over her. What do you think Yes or No?

Dear Stan,
I understand what you mean. But the wheels of the Universe are excruciatingly slow. I could use some speed in my life right now. ;)
I feel happy for you that you saw God and now you feel satiated. But if there is a God, I have some serious issues with Him/Her/It. When we see that the results in our life do not match with the Karma we have done in this lifetime, we pacify ourselves by saying that we must have done something wrong in a previous birth and we are still in some Karmic debt. So again, we are going beyond this lifetime to find answers in a previous birth. How wise is this? Till date I have not seen any proof that we get reborn after we die, yet all our belief systems and our very existence is hinged on this assumption. Whenever I meet God, I'm gonna give Him/Her a piece of my mind for delaying me my big break! ;)

I either give good stock advice or none at all, even to strangers, and you are a dear friend. :)

Cheers!
Navin

Dear Simon,
Your question was: "Do you think or are you of the opinion that God (whatever that might be) is consciously aware and constantly Judging and making conclusions about what we are doing here on earth as human beings in every day life?"

This question will arise only after the basic question whether there is a God is answered.
Why is your cousin's God so cheap that He/She gives her just a dime once in a while? That's no proof of God's existence. If He/She had given her a million and settled the issue once and for all then it would have been proof.

I dare God right here on this forum to appear if He/She/It exists.

Let's face it buds, either there is no God, or He/She is dead.

Cheers!
Navin

"you are missing the forest for the tree, as they say" Harb

If the land is all barren, and there is no tree, how can you find a forest there? In the mind? In the mind's eyes? Looking inward? Making it happen in the imagination? Fooling oneself? Realizing truth? In illusions since everything is illusion?
Feeling blessed? Overjoyed by inner piece? Hearing the sound of Om? Losing one's head? Using one's heart? Endless endless possibilities, as endless God is!

Kind regards
Tanzan Senzaki

PS: About pegs and Old Monks, they are good for clearing mind sometime like ganja - marijuana - for the homeless sadhus in India. I have nothing against them. Anything that brings out clarity of thought is wonderful!

Navin, you are bargaining with your God, can you see it? You're saying... either you show yourself to me within the time span that my ego decides is apropriate, or you don't exist. And if you should show yourself as a dime and not as a million, you still don't exist"

That's exactly what keeps you from seeing God :) God is already everywhere, if you could only see.

Tanzan,
when we are not aware of something, it doesn't exist - for us. Until I wasn't aware of tax planning, it didn't exist for me :)

How to find the forest? I think, dear Tanzan, that the best first step is to desire to see it. Not find it, see it. It is already there.

Dear Aurora,
I am happy for you and all those who can see God. I truly am.
It's just that I'm not willing to take someone else's word for something as personal as God. :)
You are just giving arguments in favour of the existance of God. Mere arguments. If "God" is as powerful as the entire human population on this planet thinks, then why can't He/She just appear and put an end to all doubts once and for all? Why doesn't He/She do that? Let Him/Her do a miracle here tonight. I have never seen a miracle in my entire life, it would be fun it happens tonight. ;)

Cheers!
Navin

Hello Deepak and Everyone,

God, what do I think about God?

I do not think of God as a force outside of myself. I have always lived from the vantage point that God was my mystery- to be solved by me- living my life and having experiences. The question Who Am I and Why Am I here are the great questions of one's life and each of us must find our own answers to those questions. In the end it is only me and God, in the beginning it is only me and God and I am very selfish when it comes to my God and my mystery, I would never hand it over to any religion- I want to know, I do not believe in a middle man when it comes to knowing my God. I am conscious, I am aware, and I do make judgements about my world and the world around me. It is all a part of the journey to solving the mystery of myself and my God. It is a wonderful, exciting mystery and I rub my hands together in the anticipation of discovery! I could go on and on..isn't it fun? To wonder, what is God, who is God, who am I, why am I here, living this life, who are you and who are you in relation to me? Lovely questions that we in our human ignorance have turned into wars to torture and maim one another. Shame on us, we could be having such fun on this planet!

When you look in the mirror you are looking at the greatest mystery, the most interesting creation, a truly wondrous miracle and then you go play a video game, watch a movie, invent the atomic bomb or try to find something else to do because you are so bored and life is so boring. Go look in the mirror and who knows, maybe one day you will find God looking right back at you!

Navin,

People here don't realize you are a pragmatic guy. "Where's the beef", or in India one would say "Where's the roti" :)

So try this- stop breathing for about 2 mintues. Just stop the inward breath. Go ahead, I'm waiting. Now notice how the inward breath is forced upon you? Well, my dear friend, that would be God at work. I know you are thinking I'm wacked, but like Aurora just said, God is everywhere, in fact a little bit of Him/Her is just a breath away :)

Enjoy,inhale,exhale,inhale,exhale, God here , God there.....

Steve

Dear Navin,
I find it really touching, because I know that you really mean it. So many people have asked God to appear, all in vain.
You ask for miracles, they are everywhere. Do you realize what your body is doing right this moment? Do you realize that billions of galaxies are not crushing into each other this moment? Do you realize the perfection of every blade of grass, every detail, everything?
Of course only your own experience will do, but you have a thick layer of hurt to work on first. You have to work on yourself, on your own level of consciousness, to be able to see. You think that you have to bargain with God and persuade him/her to show itself, God is here in all its splendor, but you have to be ready to see. Don't put the blame on this "God" person, do what is needed to see if you want to see.

Dear Steve,
Nope. I don't think you are whacked. LOL.
Maybe I'm just in a bad mood today to be so angry with God! If only God was to give ME a sign! I don't know. Whatever!

Cheers!
Navin

Navin, if you want a sign, you will get it. But look for small, small things. Be awake. Look for coincidences. Don't miss them, they're subtle at first.

No one commented directly on the following from Deepak:

"In the face of enormous public passivity, the right-wingers have corrupted America's foreign aid program, for example, with "faith-based" groups whom we essentially pay to be missionaries. You get a meal in Africa from the U.S. if you are willing to take a Bible with it. This is bribery, not compassion."

Here is a challenge to Dr. Chopra. I understand he will be travelling to India soon to present at an Ayurvedic conference in Mahaballipuram. I've been to that part of TN, and it's quite lovely, nice 4 and 5 star resorts, I'm sure he will be staying in comfortable quarters enjoying the best of the best alongside Ayurvedic doctors and fellow compassionates.

The challenge is to take a day or half day from the conference maybe bring a Vaidya or two with him, out of their comfort zone, and visit a World Vision group in action. I'm sure their are activites nearby, just go unannounced and see for youself what exactly these right wingers are doing. Are they actually dangling a bible in front of a sick child, withholding food until they embrace both? Maybe this is what's going on, I don't know, Deepak made the statement, he may know something we don't, then again a little field trip might be a real eye opener.

Ps. When or if you comment about missionary activities in India or elsewhere, besides the usual bashing, if anyone can speak from experience being with them, I would be more interested to hear what you had to say.

Steve

Navin,

You are entitled to be in a bad mood, arguing or anger towards God is your right, no one will take that away, in fact just be pissed off. Sometimes you or I just don't want to be cheered up.

Please God, give Navin a sign. Thank you, Amen.

Navin if you can find this movie called "Let it Ride" starring Richard Dreyfus, made in the 80's, you will truely enjoy it, a comedy about a lowly cab driver who wanted a sign from God, and it involves horse betting. Great fun.

Steve

Dear Aurora,
There is no question of putting the blame on "God" if I believe that such an entity does not exist. If God does exist, my quarrel with Him/Her will start then. :) There may be perfection in every blade of grass, in the rise and fall of my breath, in the functioning of the distant galaxies......but what has that got to do with me or my situation or the existence of God?

Dear Ruth,
I just took a break from sitting in front of my computer to go have a look in the mirror, I'm sorry I couldn't see God. :)

I know all of you love me and mean well, but if there really is a God, then why can't He/She just humour this kid and fulfil his wish? :) I think God is just plain scared to face me.

Cheers!
Navin

Btw Navin,

Did you witness the milk miracle back in 1995?

Come to think of it, I did witness a miracle, sure enough when I heard Ganesh was actuallly taking milk from devotees spoons, it happened as a wave across the world. My buddy and I went to a woman's house nearby in Los Angeles, as we heard it was happening to her brass Ganesh. Well, it was out turn to offer milk with a spoon, and sure enough, the brass Ganesh was sucking up all the milk in his brass trunk. It happened over and over again , did it about 10 times. No spilling.

Went to the house the next day, and it stopped.

I would say a miracle my friend :)

Steve

You are lucky to have witnessed that, Steve.
I did not.
In fact some Indian TV News channels tried to test this themselves Live on air at that time and they failed.
There have been numerous reports of even the statues of Virgin Mary crying tears of blood from several parts of the world. But even if they were true, I would still remain a sceptic. I need a personal miracle, performed just for me. ;)

Cheers!
Navin

Navin,

I wish the best for you Navin. I'm sure everyone here feels the same, and you know that. You may have noticed that the regulars are never at a loss for words, and enjoy sharing their opinions and philosophies, but you are right, it still doesn't provide proof for you. With that I'll shut up :)

Steve

"How to find the forest? I think, dear Tanzan, that the best first step is to desire to see it. Not find it, see it. It is already there." Aurora

Dear Aurora,

I agree with you. Everything in the world you can see within yourself, in your conscious, since you are one with Him! Everything is within you. Not outside you, because He is in you. Why look for anything outside. Look for everything inside. Look for trees and forests in yourself, since they are there already, always since big bang or since He decided one day to create everything in a moment or in six days, so to say. And what is seeing? What is desire? Nothing, nothing. All illusion in this transient world! Nothing real. Only He is real! Let us merge with Him.

And so as a corollary to the above, you can see Him as energy, as a human being or as anything/anybody because He is everything. Now I agree. I do agree with Harb and you, both.

Kind regards
TS

Navin, please let me give you a hug, you're so sweet. Have you ever wished for something that has come true? Like... eating ice cream. Notice what happened. Somewhere inside you, the desire for ice cream was born, you acted on it without holding back, without doubting for a second that it was "doable" "right" "possible", you took all the steps necessary (made it, bought it, stole it, lol)and the next thing you know, you were eating ice cream. You are the creator of your world already, but you don't pay attention. If you want it, one day something will awaken your attention :)

Dear Tanzan, that was lovely. Now you "just" have to experience it, otherwise it will only be a nice little story you tell yourself. From what I've seen in you, you won't settle for less than knowing for sure. Good luck!

"Dear Tanzan, that was lovely. Now you "just" have to experience it, otherwise it will only be a nice little story you tell yourself. " Aurora

Dear Aurora,

When I see there is a something, I can tell it to others and tell myself, maybe in a story. But others imagine they see something, and they tell others there is everything. They explain their delusions in terms of others' illusions! So if it is this, I see it all. No need to voluntarily experience it, it is there already, being experienced involuntarily by everybody, every moment! He is in us! No?

Kind regards
Tanzan Senzaki

Dear Aurora,
Hug you back. :) Oh yes, I love ice-creams! I know that desire is the seed and we create our own world. I said it myself on this website somewhere in an earlier post. ;)
A thought when planted in the universe, gathers its own energy and manifests itself into the reality. That's how all the stuff in this world takes shape. I know this. There have been many small small wishes which have been fulfilled but my Bigger Destiny is yet to be fulfilled. And it's just that I'm losing patience. I know that whatever we wish for, comes true....in it's own sweet time. But it never happens in the way we anticipate it. It always surprises. I'm just tired of waiting for my surprise.

Anyway, thanks for all your love, friends. I think it's time for me to shut up as well on this topic.;)
Cheers!
Navin

Only you can tell, Tanzan, but I think what you're describing is a mental understanding. You are a keen observer of the mind. But for what you say to be a certainty, you have to sense the magic. There is something outside of the mental universe, no matter how thoroughly we've mapped it, and the subjective experience of this "beyond" is one of unspeakable magic. If we look with the mind, the picture is black and white, if we look with the soul, it's a rainbow.

I guess I know all about impatience, Navin :)

I'm sorry, I haven't read your earlier post, but I've read many others you've written and I know that...you know. All my best to you!

Yes, it would be quite refreshing if we could have some sort of sign. Like the spontaneous disappearance of every weapon in the world, all Indian, Chinese, and African children suddenly clothed and fed, or an inward voice that reveals some 'hidden truth' to humankind entire in one instant.

Greed, wars, death, disease, and my God being better than your God. . .

more of the same old BS. . .

peace all

How to See God And Talk With Him

"I need a personal miracle, performed just for me. ;)" Navin

Navin, dear friend,

It is all in the believing. Believe in them. They will come to you. Asking for them is not believing in them and believing in them is not asking for them. Understand. As simple as it is!
Belief can cause miracles. Belief in Allah can give you 32 virgins in the heaven. It is very simple. Just have belief. Believe in Him, you will start seeing him. Never forget. Your mind is your friend. Your mind wants to keep you happy all the time. Believe in beautiful young women of your dreams knocking on your door, and you will see them in your dreams. Believe more in this fact. They will come to your dreams more often. Practice this for some time. You will dream of nothing else, only beautiful women. Your mind would be so happy to know that you feel so happy enjoying these dreams. Your minds wants to keep you happy all the times, all through your life. You have no better or more faithful friend than your mind. Not even that most beautiful women in love with you who swears by her blood she would die for you.

So more you believe, the more you feel. And you will start feeling so much, even in your waking state, you will walk dazed seeing all those beautiful women. All within you. All yours. No need to go and chase them anymore. Enjoy them everyday to your hearts content. Same is true in believing in God. Is it clear to you now? If it is, please tell all here. They will listen to you more than to someone like me. Don't forget you have been man of God in their minds' eyes. And I have been an infidel!

So happy dreams for miracles to happen. Believe in them, first. Your mind will play magic with you. And you tell this magic to tothers. Be holy. Spread the holy word of God!

Kind regards
TS

"If we look with the mind, the picture is black and white, if we look with the soul, it's a rainbow." ~Aurora

O yes, looking with the soul! How beautiful! Why only rainbow, the whole universe, all love, all oneness, all consciousness, all men, all women, all animals, cats, rats, tress, bees - I borrow trees and bees from you from one of your earlier posts - looking with the soul, we miss nothing. We never miss seeing Father, Son and the Holy Ghost or the 32 virgins in the heaven. How beautiful is this concept! This idea of seeing with the soul. So whole! So good to have it with the morning coffee and night time snack everyday of living of this earthly life! So peaceful, so blessing! So Nirvana like! No wonder gods are so happy. They are drunk on this.

Kind regards
Tanzan Senzaki

Dear Navin,

You say you looked in the mirror and did not see God. Who else could it be that you are looking at?

Dear Tanzan,
LOL. You are at your sarcastic best. ;)

Cheers!
Navin

Dear Ruth,

Hmm. Ok :)

Cheers!
Navin

God is not so complicated, guys,
women..that's a mystery!
where were we, right, we had the first intresic quality 'clueless', I would like to ad, a seccond, guys, listen up, here it comes; forget about it!, before their thirties, or a child, those creatures, in a materialistic society,
useless! the only function, that they're capable of is a chit chat psychotherapy supportgroup, for
they're also useless girlfriends, to talk about their cluelessness and astonishment, anyhow, Diablo..

With Love, Passion, and transcend,

1. Total potential of natural law.
2. Infinite organizing power.
3. Fully awake within itself.
4. Infinite correlation.
5. Perfect orderliness.
6. Infinite dynamism.
7. Infinite creativity.
8. Pure knowledge.
9. unboundedness.
10. Perfect Balance
11. Self-sufficiency.
12. All possibilities.
13. Infinite silence.
14. Harmonizing
15. Evolutionary
16. Self-referral.
17. Invincibility.
18. Immortality.
19. Unmanifest.
20. Nourishing.
21. Integrating.
22. Simplicity
23. Purifying
24. Freedom.
en the most importent
25. Bliss.

Craig,

Sometimes you are well beyond my “mental capabilities” but with what you just wrote you summed up all that “God Stuff” beautifully!

In case somebody missed it, here it is again!

“Yes, it would be quite refreshing if we could have some sort of sign. Like the spontaneous disappearance of every weapon in the world, all Indian, Chinese, and African children suddenly clothed and fed, or an inward voice that reveals some 'hidden truth' to humankind entire in one instant.
Greed, wars, death, disease, and my God being better than your God. . .
more of the same old BS. . .”

Navin,

You challenged: 'I dare God to appear right here on this forum if He/She/It exists.'

In the Words of the Gospel of Thomas:

I am the light above everything. I am everything. Everything came forth from me, and everything reached me. Split wood, I am there, lift up a rock, you will find me.

Navin, I think your inability to believe in and understand God arises from your preconceived beleief that it it exists it must be something seperate from us. I have found that the truth in God does not lie in seperation, but in understanding it is a great Oneness which we are all apart of.

Is it self concious? Yes, I believe so. And I believe it can manifest action on this Earth by acting as a kind of 'collective unconcious', as postulated by Carl Jung, as found in the highest levels of Hinduism. In my own life I have experienced incredible examples of synchronicity which took me closer to understanding this, such as the time I found a dollar bill on the pavement of San Francisco moments after asking for a sign. The dollar bill carried my initial and birthdate.

If you research Abraham Lincoln you will find that he dreamed of his own assassination days before it happened. Ask yourself how such a thing is possible?

I can recommend a few other thing. Do some research on Dr Ian Stevenson, whose compelling research on young children who remember past lives goes a long way to proving reincarnation. The book 'Old Souls' is a worthwhile read.

Experience Reiki healing, which can be very powerful, and it's mystical origins raises challenging questions... Also you may like to check out a book called 'A Course in Miracles', but beware that it is hard work.

Forget the notion of a 'seperate' God: rather release your preconcieved notions of what God is and undertake the journey. It's well worth it.

Hope that helps.

Jules

I'm skeptic, about that, dear Skeptisch,

Or do you believe in pixiedust..?

'To serve God, is to serve your fellowman'
I was indoctrinated in church,

and if aggreement about who or what God is cannot be accomplished, well, that doesn't mean we can't agree on the qualities of the grand mystery of mysteries..?

(I'm not reffering, to women, if you were wondering..;) but I must say, man, those muslim sweeties, anyday! above a western sarah jessica parker,

With Love, Passion!

Aurora,

... i don't feel threatened by tanzan's opinions - for he shares them with my entire family, and me in the past. Just pointing out my own opinions - not really to change his mind, but merely because I'm a little too outspoken :).

Tanzan,

>"Moreover, in the same image means, more or less, looking alike, like two arms, two legs, two eyes etc"
>"And there are people who died for sometime and came back to life and swear they saw God like a human being. What more proof would you want. Since God could be anything, so why it is wrong to assume that he could not look like a man. Moreover, no body saw God as a woman!"

to the thought of God can take any form - I wholeheartedly agree! "God" can TAKE the form of human, but why do we assume its his ultimate form? After all, outside the game of earth, do we need things like noses, eyes, feet, fingers? Aren't thoes just things that evolved to help us survive here on earth? And, I think almost the entirety of pagan worshippers would very strongly disagree that no one sees god as a woman. Pagans do all the time! God takes the shape that is appropriate in any situation. Whether it be so the person finds it familiar or if its representing a certain aspect of god-ness that is currently needed. God takes many forms, though really, god is in everything, always.. so every form is gods form.

>"Ask any Hindu, all their gods, like Vishnu, Shiva, Rama, Krishna were reincarnations - avatars - of God and they all looked like normal human beings."

Uh.. what about Ganesha? Varaha? Matsya? Narasimha? All incarnations of Vishnu, not all human. And also, weren't Radha & Sita incarnations of Lakshmi, is she not a goddess? And therefore God-as-a-woman? And Vishnu & Shiva weren't reincarnatoins.. they're the Gods themselves.. Vishnu being the one who became Varaha, Rama, Krishna, & the others.

>"Father of Jesus in heaven, the Christian God, gives us floods, volcanoes, tsunami, tornadoes, cancer, death, and all suffering in the world along with good things in life, like beautiful women, money, cars, TV sets etc. So God does have both, good and bad characters."

Why would God put us down here and then strike us down with cancer or something of the like? Why would he put us here just to suffer? I personally don't believe that. I think that Earth is the plane where souls can come to play out whatever energies their souls need to work out. They themselves are the ones who draw circumstances and events to their human selves.. they chose it, for whatever reason. And its been my experience that the more we wake up to our 'expanded selves' (the part of us who doesn't end at our skin and expands into all-that-is) we can start to live our lives with more awareness, and can be concious of what we draw into our lives (goode or bad) and chose whether we want to continue our patterns, or switch them. God is the spirit that surrounds us at all times, supporting any decision we make for ourselves, because its all part of the game we've decided to play with the free will and awareness that was "his" gift to us.

>"I think the problem with all religions is they think God is goody goody. I think it is not so. He can be very bad. He can be too be moody like us. Some people have also seen him in the heaven when they died for few hours and came back to life. They tell God sits on a throne made of Gold and precious stones. So many beautiful women, fairies in English, apsaras in Hindi, dance around him and there is soft music going on there all the time. Everybody is happy there and smiling all the time - maybe permanent smile wrinkles on their faces, this is my imagination. Please excuse me for that. But I am serious of the other facts."

People see what they expect to see. We create our realities, and that often goes beyond death. Do you think that people of a remote african village see a big fat white bearded guy sitting on a thrown with pixies dancing around them when they die? Probably not, though theres nothing wrong with that vision!. If they really believe in the traditions of their village, they'll probably see whatever they were promised they'd see. Such is the power of belief.

>"See I agree with you. Now tell me, what makes you disagree with me?"

Well, Its not so much that i really disagree in the God which you follow. I just don't agree that that is the ultimate form of god. As in, I believe in spirit, in all-that-is that permeates anything, and can take any form. That includes the Abrahamic God, Hindu Gods, Tribal Gods, spirits, faeries, angels, people, whatever. Even beyond the all-that-is there is probably something more. Who knows if "god" even has an ultimate form? With all the different paths out there, coming from all different cultures and parts of the world, why would truth only be given to one culture, in the hopes they would dominate others and force it apon them? Wouldn't every culture be given the opportunity to find their own personal truths on their own?

Anyway, just my thoughts! i don't mean to sound argumentative or like i'm trying to shove my beliefs down your throat.. I'm not, really I promise. i just thouroughly enjoy the banter. I'm a bit of a brat like that. :) Thank you for endulging me!

Love,
Ameya

God loves a good mystery, that is why he became man.

“Or do you believe in pixiedust..?”

If you believe, I believe in pixiedust maybe you are pixiedust! Thinking of pixiedust, believing in pixiedust may make more sense than believing in some of Gods that are floating around out there!

Thank you Skeptisch.

Wow, great 'musings' Ameya

indeed, we should start a movement, we'll call it
for tax reasons a religion, we will call the rules holy laws, and we'll do some cudling in a commune,

anyhow,
If there, is, such a thing as pixiedust,
I think Anthony Robbins would call that Magic Moments.. or ..

Love, Passion,

"God is not so complicated, guys,
women..that's a mystery!"
they are clueless.
even as girlfriends,
they are useless.

they're good
to chatter on any matter,
like support groups
like psychotherapy
like shopping sprees
like lousy jealousy...

-- rephrasing marek dariusz podsiadlo
more or less
clearing women's minds' mess
more or less

(TS)

PS: I owe no authorship to this.
Even if she is like this.

Dear Ameya,

You enjoy banter... A few notes on Hinduism...

At the highest level of Hindusim is the belief that all the Gods that you mentioned are just expressions and means of understanding the One ultimate God, which is Brahmann.

It is something which all things are part of, only illusion, maya, stops us from seeing. Once we see past the illusion we find ultimate truth.

On my earlier post: I think that the Gospel of Thomas is probably the most profound spiritual text ever written. If you haven't yet discovered it, I recommend that you buy the Stephan Davies translation.

It begins: Whoever finds the correct interpretation of these sayings will never die.

It is the true teachings of Jesus.

Love,

Jules

Yes, Tanzan indeed, forgot that one, you're sooo right!,

Love, Passion,
Ps. I'm just talking in general, you, know, enlight some younger minds, must be the babysitter in me, to think or to .. that is the question!

Dear Deepak,
I agree completely.
Love,
D

Dear Jules,
Quoting you:"If you research Abraham Lincoln you will find that he dreamed of his own assassination days before it happened. Ask yourself how such a thing is possible?"Unquote

Buds, I have experienced precognitive dreams first hand and I whole heartedly agree that such a phenomenon exists. But how does that lend proof to the existence of an entity called God.

How is it that all religions in the world who propagate the existence of God name names like Allah, Jesus, Ram etc. telling us that these are our Gods. But when anyone raises a question on their existence they answer that "God is not separate from you and one should look for God within". Aren't these double standards?

Thank you for suggesting me the books you suggested. I Appreciate. :) But how do I check the authenticity of what's written in the book about reincarnation? If there had ever been an authenticated & tested occurence of reincarnation, I'm sure it would have been an International news and would have been splashed across all TV Channels. But nothing of this kind has ever happened as far as my memory goes.

Your finding a dollar bill with your initials and date of birth is definitely the most believable proof about the existence of God. You are a lucky guy to have been given a sign.

Enjoy!
Navin

Tanzan, I'm not trying to take away your world from you, lol. It's all yours.

"indeed, we should start a movement, we'll call it
for tax reasons a religion, we will call the rules holy laws, and we'll do some cudling in a commune." ~marek dariusz podsiadlo

Starting a cult,
calling it a religion,
not paying taxes,
cuddling in communes,
will boost your immune
system to heights,
of all invincibility
of voyeuristic ability
of anybody daring to impugn.

What a fortune
to be in tune
with Cherries and Peaches
cuddling in communes!

Hallelujah! Hallelujah!

LOL,
Hallelujah! take me to church and sing me the gospel, oh, brother,

Love, Passion!

Dear Simon,

Yes. I absolutely know God is watching over your cousin. (I do not think the dimes are a sign of that). As Aurora said, sometimes the signs start out being quite subtle--the dime thing to me is too blatant.
I believe God is a poetic God--he is not a systematic God. He appears differently to everyone and loves everyone in a unique way. Any insights I have had into God have come from paying attention to nature. If one looks at nature one can see how individually he cares for all of his creation--the attention to detail. Does God INTERVENE in the affairs of humans? Now that is a more difficult question to ask. For example--if a train is about to hit me would God ever reach down and push me out of the way? Personally, I believe sometimes he does intervene in the affairs of humans--although I could never pretend to explain how or why he does this but sometimes I think that he definitely can and does--but again this intervention is subtle--it is not a shimmering angel appearing to rescue someone from danger. That's what I think anyway.

Navin,

Thanks for your reply.

As for the names attributed to God: names are just names, nothing more. If anything they present a distraction.

As for proof of reincarnation. Basically, Ian Stevenson has come as close as anyone could to proving reincarnation, but it has been ignored. The scientific establishement is close minded. But bear in mind there was once a time when people thought the world was flat... One quote about Ian Stevenson reckons that he may just be remembered as the Gallieo of the 20th century. I'll second that.

With regards to the great Oneness, believe it or not this is a proven fact of quantum physics! Science has proven that at the deepest level all things are connected.

It has also be easily argued that conciousness, intelligence, exisists on a cellular level. Think it through. How does each cell know what to do? It's task? What force reads the code of DNA and constructs the body?

Discovering the higher truths requires insight, and a willingness to ask questions and look deeper.

Reincarnation, and God for that matter, isn't something that can be proven in a lab. But neither can it be disproven... Proponents of the scientific method cling to the belief that if it can't be proven in a test tube, it necessarily isn't real. But that argumanet simply doesn't hold. Think about it. They once thought the earth was flat. Beliefs can, and will, change. Science has failed to answer the biggest questions:

What existed before the universe? What are the origins of DNA? How did life begin? What is life?

As with regards to my dollar bill, there's plenty more where that came from. I am currently writing a book on it all. Something to look forward to!

Cheers,

Jules

Dear Jules,
I will surely research Dr. Ian Stevenson in my free time. I do not refute the oneness of all things. I am with you on that. All I ask is, is there an all powerful, almighty entity called God?
I have an open mind about reincarnation and have not negated the possibility that it exists. I do not belong to the category of scientists (I'm not a scientist) who like everything to be proved in a "test tube" or "lab" as you put it. I think you have read my posts on Intentblog for the first time today. Maybe you're new around here or you'd know what my views on the supernatural stuff are.
Great to know you're writing a book about your experiences. Perhaps, you can share a few more interesting excerpts from it here on Intentblog. It might also help you in promoting the book.

Wish you luck,
Navin

Simon,

You can't pay me enough to join your fan club!

Poo! Poo!

Navin,

I'm enjoying talking!

You mentioned you've had some precognitive dreams. Take that as your sign. I believe that these dreams and synchronicities have little purpose in themselves, but they are intended to make you ask questions and ulitimately direct you towards the highest answer. How are precognitive dreams possible? It strike me that they are only possible if something somehow knows the future. Something which communicates through your subconcious. That is what dreams are. But what is their origin?

I'm talking about those occasional dreams that wake you up, and are that much more vivid.

They can contain such deep and profound symbolism, to the extent that if you understand the symbolism, they can help you better understand your life. What force is constructing those dreams with that level of symbolism? It is far greater than what or concious minds could have assembled.

This is a good webpage on Carl Jung:

http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/jung.html

Enjoy

Jules

Simon, on the house, first legal aid for the more spiritual..;)

"Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy