They call, 'materialism', 'ego-centrism' and 'consumerism'
- 'tolerance', nowadays,

What's God got to do with it?

With Love, Passion!

I think we should not associate fundamentalism with God and religion. God teaches us to embrace love and compassion. God is all-encompassing. God is perpetually creating and recreating this universe and all the known and unknown elements and life forms in it. God teaches us acceptance and God also gives us peace. Although I'm not a religious person per se, but the fundamental purpose of every religion is to bridge the gap between us and God; in fact, if God is everywhere, there is no gap that needs to be bridged.

Fundamentalism on the other hand is a mental aberration, a misguidance, a manifestation of a deep-rooted complex. It has got nothing to do with God and religion although it loves to surf on the waves of both. Think it this way: religion teaches us love, fundamentalism teaches us hatred; God exemplifies universality, fundamentalism promotes xenophobia and segregation; God is about creation, fundamentalism is about destruction.

People who follow a fundamentalist approach are inveterately scared people. Only when you are scared you cling to your beliefs so tenaciously. When you are scared of other ideas and beliefs you want to destroy them. Fundamentalism is hence, anti-God, and anti-religion.

So why is it rising? Because there are more scared and unsure people now than they were, let us say a few decades ago. No matter how much we claim that there is progress all around, the gap between the haves and the have-nots, the educated and the uneducated, is widening at an alarming pace. Religious confusion too is playing its part. Besides, people of all ideologies can now move around much faster and with greater freedom.

Solution: communities. The communities where fundamentalism raises its head should discourage it, only then it can subside. Along with that, people need to be given better opportunities to get education and careers. Idle mind is a devil's workshop, or something like that.

Hi again Deepak - sorry for my other post. I apologise if it was harsh.

I just see the glass so very full. I feel that humanity is in better shape now than ever before in our history. And yes, of course, with infinite room for it to get better. Yes...it is a "quiet revolution."

Never before have so many humans had the info and possiabilty "to decide in private who to worship and pray to, whether the soul is real, what happens after we die, and so forth."

The rest - its all just "hic-ups" - is there really any purpose to give it energy...in this forum?

Love Ya, Teri

Yes Dear Deepak...I think you chose a big topic here. I was trying to summarise in my thoughts what wud I write...it all looked too big to me to summarise it in a short post. I may as well choose to come a couple of times to talk abt the wonderful topic you brought out. You're terrific at that...you can write it in a click!

I was thinking on similar lines actually...here with you..we talk abt Evolution of consciousness and new age and critical mass consciousness...on the other hand the ground reality staring at us presently is quite different. Sorry Dear Deepak...but I've always wondered abt Negative critical mass consciousness too where in just when a mass is reached in consciousness where one is out to get the other, it spreads. The eye for eye concept. Honestly, that is what I see in the present world. Hope it fizzles out into peace...but mind/logic doesn't agree with that.

It always is abt the Spectrum Dear Deepak...if on one hand we see this people on tv and other media always fighting with each other...there of course on the other hand are people like you and so many other Spiritualists and just plain peace loving people. So,I think whenever we're talking abt mass consciousness..we got to take the whole spectrum into account, not just that tiny strip of the spectrum of peace loving spiritualists.

Well...I cud only speak abt a little part of the topic....What's God's future? In other words What's Humanity's future? I wonder where this consciousness will take us into the future?

I will try to get to that part of darwinism and blind faith later perhaps.

Love..Sachin

Hello Deepak and Everyone,

Watch out Deepak, I saw Reverend Graham, the son, on TV this morning, if he catches wind of your blog, there is hell to pay! The bible says so. (just a little sick humor)

Oh yeah. Now Dr. Chopra is putting out the good stuff!!!!!

"Fortunately, new answers are arising and succeeding. You may be surprised to find out that your doubts and restless seeking by no means isolate you. By definition a quiet revolution doesn't attract notice until it has already occurred."
Posted by Deepak Chopra

Dear Deepak,
That's so beautiful. Thank you.

Love,
Donatella

Yes, faith in reincarnation is so different than faith in a resurrection.

And, faith in a God who punishes you for sin is so much different than a universe who punishes you for sin in the form of Bad Karma.

And Christian premillinialism, a belief in a transformed world of immortal people after Christ's coming, which represents about half of Christian denominations, is so different than a belief in a transformed world by reincarnation.

Yes, Chrisianity is so different than what Deepak teaches. In Christianity, anger is a sin and a Christian will spend thier entire life fighting anger everyday, that's so different than enlightenment. After all, enlightenment is perfecting angerlessness, whereas Christians don't believe it's possible to ever be perfect.

And Christians thinking that they have the "true" way is so different than Deepak writhing his book HTKG. Where Deepak tells you that there is a God and the way to....know him...

Yes, Deepak is so different than fundyies because he thinks he's right and everyone else is wrong! Unlike fundyies who think they are right and everyone else is wrong.

Fer shure, believing the testimony of Peter, James, and John, who supposedly saw Christ raised from the dead is so different than believing parents in India who say their two year old kid remembered a past life.

And getting precious insights from Nagastratta so so different than getting precious insights from Saint Paul...

I guess that vast differences between what Deepak teaches and what Christians teach is never ending...but here goes, how about one more for the road. Why does Deepak have to write HTKG? Same reason why Ellen G. White prophetess of the Seventh Day Adventist Church had to write her book, "The Great Controversy." Because the Bible didn't say what she wanted to teach. And the Upanshads don't teach enlightenment.

This is one of those posts where I typically say nah forget it, who cares, and just erase it, but what the hey, once in a while you got to risk being controversial....

I will write more later. But I just wanted to tell a quick story. One night I was over at a friend's house. We were talking about Christianity--namely the story of the ressurection. Did it really happen? My friend said "of course not". I said well, I have no problem believing it happened--I think that in this strange world where anything can happen--you have so many strange occurences everyday--you have the startling array of animal and plant life--why not a ressurection? After talking about this I got into my car to drive home. It was about one in the morning--I was on the highway--very very few cars. One pulled up alongside mine however and was driving alongside my car--I glanced over--it was a large pick up trick with a pumpkin that took up the entire back of the pickup--so here I was in the dark, after this conversation, on the highway in summer with a pumpkin the size of a LARGE car travelling along beside me. And I have never even seen a pumpkin in summer--it just goes to show, I think, why the hell not?

You had written: "However, the vast majority of people in this country do not believe literally in any scripture, Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. Reform movements long ago revised literal belief, and centuries of theology have refined dogma and doctrine, always in the direction of liberalism. So what happened to those reforms?"

Exactly Dear Deepak! That thought had passed my mind, Where is it?. Especially during the turn of the century when I had read your htkg and knowing What strides the Great America had made in revising the literal belief of the text...I really thought we were in for the Paradigm shift which you so fondly used to talk then. Now..looking at the present scenario..a thought just crosses..are we in for a reversal of Paradigm shift, into the medieval times?:)) But maybe the paradigm shift which we talk abt is to be preceded by a big Upheaval? If you study nature and history...often you see that pattern.

I think all the people/groups who were into what you talked above still exist in US, can't just disappear or regress..but the latent ones who were not into anything really before, or were just mild into religion have woken up...so badly stirred by the violent events like 9/11 and the Iraq war, that they took it to fundamentalism of the religion. From what we see in media nowadays, for sure you see the big face of fundamentalism almost in every country of this globe. Will it grow further to the detriment of world peace or will it get subdued is a question which runs thru' my mind often.

Love..Sachin

Somebody else put a name on it the other day.

i-God (which sums it up)

I suppose you could say it is a movement in thought and a change, refinement and discard of beliefs. Especially since Infinite Play and my many posted writings all over the Internet have fingered the Church and Institutional Religion as the Anti-Christ. These writings are becoming very popular and receive a lot of support and appear to many to be a valid assertion.

It is the next wave in the wave nature of the Universe.

Many aspects have been around for a long time, some were simply forgotten they have not been in the mainstream consciousness.

There is a new very sophisticated thought that has not been around previously in this framework that is emerging.

It is my thought that the next phase is the elimination of the separation with God and as Self realization.

With the new, yet to be announced, collapse of physics and perception of the Universe as we know it that is coming, it will Science will accommodate the One nature. No it is not another string theory. It can actually be demonstrated with direct experience.

The Old God is Dead
The New God is Born

Dear God what do you think of all this?

Are we on a new evolutionary i- track or do you have other Godly ideas?

Just thought I'd go to the source.

Steve

Deepak,
I think you forgot to include Hinduism in your list. The fundamentalism and irrational belief system of Hinduism are against one's spiritual growth.

"With the new, yet to be announced, collapse of physics and perception of the Universe as we know it that is coming..."
Posted by: Richard Thomas

Hi Richard,
I can't wait for this announcement. Certainly some scientists are taking their time. Others, more to my liking, have been speaking up. They have also risked isolation.
Wishing for truth...

Hi Dulcie,
I love your pumpkin synchronicity. Today I believe, like you, that some people, including Jesus, have ascended with their body. Probably this body was first transformed into a body of light.

Clearly, faith alone will not work in our attempt to know God. Faith is by definition abstract and susceptible to change in the average man. With the help of science our perspective will be broader and will lead to Love/God. At that stage of consciousness it will be impossible to feel any kind of separation, and we'll be incapable of going to 'holy' wars.

In my childhood I remember loving God above all else. Having being exposed to the Roman Catholic religion, I adored Jesus, Mary, Angels, Saints and miracles. All the above disappeared the day after my little sister died. After all, I had asked God for a miracle --I was twelve. I had asked him to resuscitate my sister and my prayer had not been answered. I stopped believing in God for long, solitary years. Only beautiful art, classical music, and literature could reach me in those terrible days.

In an attempt to find an explanation to my questions, I turned to Western philosophy which seemed to leave me cold and even more depressed. I never gave up, though, looking for answers.

When God returned (and I don't remember how that happened) it was a different kind of God, but even closer to me than I had experienced before. But despite this new closeness, the love for Him/Her was gone. Today, for some mysterious reason, I feel again love for God (and it's stronger than ever) and love for all.

Love,
Donatella

Hi Deepak, the history of the healing method presently known as "Reiki" suggests that Earth was populated with human beings from different planetary cultures in the star systems of Sirius, Pleides etc. Each race, according to this source came from a different planet. This information was mostly gathered by channeling. Since I believe in this source, and in this history, I do not believe in Darwinism.

As far as abortion issue goes, the soul, being potentially divine, immensely intelligent, and all knowing, does not enter any fetus that is going to be aborted.

Jesus is the Son of God, and an enlightened being. I love Jesus. We are all sons and daughters of God. I can not fathom how God who is everywhere can possibly sit on a throne that we can imagine. He must make Himself really tiny to do that, and that must be uncomfortable. So I don't buy about God sitting on the throne at all.

I see that the so called "New Age" beliefs are so similar to what is written in our Hindu scriptures. Either all these authors are copying the truths written in our ancient scriptures, or Truth is coming out spontaneously in many places as Truth likes to do.

I came alone to this world, and so I must go back alone. It makes perfect sense that in my spirituality, in my relationship with my Maker I should be alone.

Soul is real. What happens after I die depends upon how I have lived my life this time around.

I am happy there is a spiritual revolution going on. We most definitely need it. I hope it takes us all on our chosen paths towards improving ourselves, and getting rid of all our bad karma.

Thank you for giving me a chance to comment. God bless.

When the Bible was written it incorporated science, the science of 4000 years ago. There's no problem between Religion and Science, in general. There is a problem between the Religion of 4000 years ago and the Science of today. In order for Religion to be meaningful again, and for people to partake in it out of a sincere desire and not just a gesture, it must incorporate the current science.
The notion of God is a symbol. This terrifies the fundamentalist. This is because they think a symbol refers to an allegory and so all the "magic" will be taken away by a symbolic reading. Nothing could be further from the truth. A symbol points past a fact and says "I am referring to something that is greater than any notion you've ever had. So great, in fact, that it cannot be expressed in language or thought, or any kind of medium of oppossed opposites."
So in symbology the idea of God is actually of something more powerful than even the literalist view.

What a stupid question.. does god have a future.

if you had said does religion have a future then No it does not.... but there is nothing but god, there can be nothing else but god. without god you are not conscious

Bush Touts Grants to Religious Charities

By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 10, 2006; Page A05

"President Bush said yesterday that the federal government gave more than $2.1 billion in grants to religious charities last year -- a 7 percent increase from the prior year and proof, he said, that his administration has made it easier for faith-based groups to obtain taxpayer funds.

Speaking to a White House-organized conference of 1,200 charity leaders from across the country, Bush said the administration is creating "a level playing field" for religious organizations to compete with secular groups to run drug treatment programs, homeless shelters and other social services.

Government's role is "to fund, not to micromanage how you run your programs," he said. "I repeat to you, you can't be a faith-based program if you don't practice your faith..."

There is clearly a design at the governmental level to reward religious practice.
Peace,
Donatella

Is it just me? The above article made me cry. Of course I won't let anyone manipulate me, but the sheer attempt makes me so upset. Why can't they leave God out of political games?

Thinks could be about to change faster than you think...

As somebody said, the truth has a way of coming out. And now we live in an age of global media and global possibility like never before.

Watch this space...

Tha amazing journey is about to begin

Thank you, Jules.
Somehow you found the right words.

Love,
Donatella

Hi Donatella,

"it will be impossible to feel any kind of separation, and we'll be incapable of going to 'holy' wars" ~Donatella

I agree the world will reach that level of awareness. I agree with Jules, faster that we might expect. Like Deepak apparently said? The silent revolution isn't talked about till it has happened.

Communication on the Internet is a silent revolution no one can see it in total, because the communications travel like a thief in the night. The realizations and insights spread with the speed of light without limits.

There is snowballing intelligence as each idea is further refined and expanded by each mind that touches it.

The collective mind of the universe has taken form as the thing we call the Internet where it allows one to be individual yet connected to all.

Hi Richard,
Yes, I agree with what you said. Thanks. And I feel already a lot better.

Peace consciousness for all,
Donatella

But to answer the question. Yes God has a future, always.

In fact I bet he is going to go after the global banksters, in the "near" future.

No more profits financing conflict.

You can bet on it.

hi all, here is an other perspective to the already great perspectives already given by you.

just as we individully grow from childhood to youth to middle age to old age, similarly, cultures grow and similarly, the global culture which began with AD era grew - a point proved by coming of various ages.

and just as we see our earthly father differently in our different phases, similarly, we see our heavenly father or God differntly in different cultural phases.

and so, just as we see our earthly father in our childhood as all powerful and all knowing etc. but eventually become fathers ourselves, similarly, we see our heavenly father or God in the beginning of our cultural cycle or in our cultural childhood as omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, but eventually need to and will become heavenly father ourselves in the form of our realising/experiencing our oneness with the whole of nature, which indeed heavenly father or God is. and we have now entered this phase.

then the cycle as a whole will go into oneness, into end, into hibernation, only to re-emerge and begin the whole story again.

as at cultural level so at all levels and so at the level of the universe itself. the universe begins from one through big bang and ends into one through big crunch. so the universe too can be said to begin from god and end in god. and so, with a little modification, the universe can be said to have been created by god and then sucked back into himself by god.

Dear Donatella...I quickly wanted to share a word to your question there. God and politics.. That's one of the favorites of politicians "God Religion Politics". Do you think we live in an Enlightened world?

Also to answer Dear Simon...What he meant was the "God" perceived by many fundamentalists and religious...not the actual God...the entity which created everything. He's been doing that for yrs Simon....to get that God out of the religion and bring it into spirituality, that is the One being, the Awareness which manifests this world.

Love..Sachin

If Jesus comes back raised in a disfunctional family only to grow up to live as a sinner who eventually goes completely insane and loneliness becomes so great that he's finally faced with death or a prayer to God and in choosing the prayer has the therapy he needs to find his way back to God magically appear on the T.V. seconds later and in the process of using that therapy he discovers the human condition it's going to be impossible for him to get any attention from anyone because who would forgive him for the insane things he's done? Not to mention who would want to hear the truth about the human condition? The fundamentalists would turn there backs on a Jesus who wasn't perfect, they don't want to have to forgive him this time even if he forgave them the last time, they want an egocentric king. Well too bad because I'm just a man and if you can't forgive me then you can go to hell!

p.s. There are still too many witch hunters waiting to destroy someone to deal with the real human issues of our time and so whose gonna want to talk about them? Not you! If you've read my book then you know that I talk about real human issues and that's why nobody wants anything to do with it. So why do I bother?

Harb my friend I liked your piece, makes a whole heap of sense to me - at least the parts that I understood! :)

Do we really need to worry about God's future? What may perhaps cause sleepless nights is man's future, in spite of God and his benevolence. Yet, I still sleep like a log, so maybe I'm just an out and out optimist.

LOL,
Simon..you crack me up, you smartass!
or is it.. genie..;)
haha, great post,

here, kids, inspirational reading,
http://www.tonyrobbins.com/nextlevel/MAR06/index.html
http://www.nealedonaldwalsch.com/blog2.cfm

Love, Passion!

War IS Peace

Continually for the last several years now, my beloved Leon Trotsky has been treacherously dishonored with countless such references to ‘intellectuals’ as follows:

“It was under President Ronald Reagan's bleary stewardship that real conservatives were largely displaced in the upper ranks of government by an aggressive new breed of so-called neoconservatives, whose ideology was neither new nor authentically conservative but an artifact of the Cold War. The founding philosophers of neoconservatism -- Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol -- drew their youthful political inspiration from Leon Trotsky, a radical communist whose doctrine of perpetual revolution was too extreme even for the Soviet Union's ruling Stalinists, who exiled and eventually assassinated him. Among the neoconservatives who came to occupy the West Wing during the Reagan years were Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, all of whom helped shape the Bush administration's misbegotten attempt to pacify the Middle East by waging war there.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/03/10/EDGU9GJF5U1.DTL

I know Leon was a violent dude too, yet I give him the benefit of the doubt for not having 21st century technology to fully realize the world revolution; still there is no excuse to employ violent means to meet the ends! Nevertheless, Trotsky represented the proletarians, just like Christ, except not as peacefully obviously. This is where we come in, me, you, Richard, Steve, Scott, Marek, Rabbi Lerner, Dr. Chopra, MLK, Gandhi . . .

I even believe Dr. Wayne Dryer is a sincere man, I prayeth so anyway . . .

Another very interesting ‘sign of the times,’ and a perfect exemplification of the western world’s treacherous, and mass-murderous practices is exemplified in an articles entitled, “The Secret War Against the Defenseless People of West Papua,” and written by John Pilger. While the horrendous murderous practices are nothing new to followers of U.K. and U.S. imperial practices, it is just another thorn in the skull of Jesus, and again:

“the prize – the world's largest gold reserve and third-largest copper deposit, literally a mountain of copper and gold – went to the US mining giant Freeport-McMoran. On the board is Henry Kissinger, who, as US secretary of state, gave the "green light" to Suharto to invade East Timor, says the Dutch report.”
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/pilger.php?articleid=8684

It seems like so many people involved in making foreign policy decisions for the United States, and for virtually all countries in reality, also make serious bank (money) when industrial-military corporations who they are also involved with make ungodly profits when war is waged, as vividly exemplified by Dick Cheney’s role as vice-president of America and Halliburton. One would think people would put two plus two together!

And speaking of ungodly profits how about those ungodly ‘free’ elections right here in the United States, well, ‘free’ as long as you have a hundred million dollars to run for political office:

“‘Entry fee’ for White House race could top $100 million.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11758525/

Free country indeed heh. Well as long as we do not have U.S. troops practicing their war games in downtown American cities in ‘preparation’ for urban combat tactics I suppose we will be alright . . .

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060309/NEWS16/603090375/-1/NEWS

I recall some dude named George Orwell writing about these things and more, what was that book called? If I could just recall . . .

Oh well, let us just be concerned with our eternal enemy Eurasia and remember not lessons of the past . . .

Peace all and good morning

Craig

If Jesus comes back to be raised in a dysfunctional family, by the virtue of his nearness, the family will become very functional. Even before he came to Earth more than 2000 years ago he was one with God. He will be manifesting so many miracles even as a baby that people around will be mesmerised."If Jesus were to come back to Earth", is a beautiful thought. I love you Jesus. God bless you all.

Deepak and all,

You all are so wonderful and it is funny as I read all your responses all of you touched on different thoughts I had. Or should I say that I tapped into.

One, Deepak is leading us and creating dialogue for a few of you that question "Does God have a future?" Yes.

I love this last sentence.."Fortunately, new answers are arising and succeeding. You may be surprised to find out that your doubts and restless seeking by no means isolate you. By definition a quiet revolution doesn't attract notice until it has already occurred."

And most profoundly it has already occurred in this multidimensional universe and I have a knowing the transformation is beautiful. The integration of science, a knowing and the growing acceptance of different modes of communications with these other realities will give God a new face. We see all God each morning in the mirror. As we continue to CO-create this experience the outcome can be nothing but beautiful, if choose to see it that way. And you must take the beautiful as an all encompassing word because beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder as God is.

Love and peace,

Me no understand, is there now certain parameters that must be satiated and or not breached that allow a potential poster to submit posts?

Respectfully just wondering; Thank you.

Enclosed resubmission:

War IS Peace

Continually for the last several years now, my beloved Leon Trotsky has been treacherously dishonored with countless such references to ‘intellectuals’ as follows:

“It was under President Ronald Reagan's bleary stewardship that real conservatives were largely displaced in the upper ranks of government by an aggressive new breed of so-called neoconservatives, whose ideology was neither new nor authentically conservative but an artifact of the Cold War. The founding philosophers of neoconservatism -- Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol -- drew their youthful political inspiration from Leon Trotsky, a radical communist whose doctrine of perpetual revolution was too extreme even for the Soviet Union's ruling Stalinists, who exiled and eventually assassinated him. Among the neoconservatives who came to occupy the West Wing during the Reagan years were Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, all of whom helped shape the Bush administration's misbegotten attempt to pacify the Middle East by waging war there.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/03/10/EDGU9GJF5U1.DTL

I know Leon was a violent dude too, yet I give him the benefit of the doubt for not having 21st century technology to fully realize the world revolution; still there is no excuse to employ violent means to meet the ends! Nevertheless, Trotsky represented the proletarians, just like Christ, except not as peacefully obviously. This is where we come in, me, you, Richard, Steve, Scott, Marek, Rabbi Lerner, Dr. Chopra, MLK, Gandhi . . .

I even believe Dr. Wayne Dryer is a sincere man, I prayeth so anyway . . .

Another very interesting ‘sign of the times,’ and a perfect exemplification of the western world’s treacherous, and mass-murderous practices is exemplified in an articles entitled, “The Secret War Against the Defenseless People of West Papua,” and written by John Pilger. While the horrendous murderous practices are nothing new to followers of U.K. and U.S. imperial practices, it is just another thorn in the skull of Jesus, and again:

“the prize – the world's largest gold reserve and third-largest copper deposit, literally a mountain of copper and gold – went to the US mining giant Freeport-McMoran. On the board is Henry Kissinger, who, as US secretary of state, gave the "green light" to Suharto to invade East Timor, says the Dutch report.”
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/pilger.php?articleid=8684

It seems like so many people involved in making foreign policy decisions for the United States, and for virtually all countries in reality, also make serious bank (money) when industrial-military corporations who they are also involved with make ungodly profits when war is waged, as vividly exemplified by Dick Cheney’s role as vice-president of America and Halliburton. One would think people would put two plus two together!

And speaking of ungodly profits how about those ungodly ‘free’ elections right here in the United States, well, ‘free’ as long as you have a hundred million dollars to run for political office:

“‘Entry fee’ for White House race could top $100 million.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11758525/

Free country indeed heh. Well as long as we do not have U.S. troops practicing their war games in downtown American cities in ‘preparation’ for urban combat tactics I suppose we will be alright . . .

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060309/NEWS16/603090375/-1/NEWS

I recall some dude named George Orwell writing about these things and more, what was that book called? If I could just recall . . .

Oh well, let us just be concerned with our eternal enemy Eurasia and remember not lessons of the past . . .

Peace all and good morning

Craig

Understood Mallika, and thank you very much.

Thank you

peace

You Wrote: "To begin with, we need to face the reality of doubt. The rise of Darwinism demoralized devout Victorians, who were forced to admit on the basis of rational argument that humans were not created by special dispensation from God. An enormous advance in scientific knowledge was fatal for metaphysics. With no privileged link to God, no Adam and Eve who could be claimed as ancestors, believers had two choices. They could discover a deeper personal spirituality or they could compartmentalize reason and faith"

Dear Deepak…..Without a doubt, we can say the enormous advance in scientific knowledge(especailly the last few decades)has broken many myths and barriers of religion!!

Rational argument?? Those who have that ability…YES. I’m sure you wud be aware how many of them do not have that! Herein lies the problem, when the base itself is not rt…whatever comes out, whatever is produced from that faulty base will not be right. Back again to harping the same point of yours and Dalai lama! That simply is a gem…that’s y it gets repeated.

I myself was surprised in a country like US(most developed, pioneer in showing new vistas) you said the poll showed 15% believed in Evolution. My God! Assuming that it was a quality survey. Having studied human body at such depth….the evidence of Evolution is so strong, I can’t believe that a good chunk can disbelieve that.

I really wonder what % of people here at Intent still believe in Adam&Eve? That may give us a good indication of the audience here itself. I remember as a child reading amar chitra katha book…how Vishnu(the sustaining force of life) takes avatars of fish, a reptile, a pig and a well developed mammal like a human. Amazing to know that the Concept of Evolution existed/exists in the Indian scriptures. Well…can’t really talk too much on that track. But I wonder how many more yrs/decades will it be for humanity to understand and acknowledge the concept of Evolution…something very divine actually!!

I’ll see later on if I can talk more on the other parts of your blog. Thanks Deepakji for getting a wonderful blog.

Love..Sachin

Hello all,

I love the idea of a quiet revolution and have no doubt that it will come about.

Most societies allow too much individualism for the concept of a patriarchial religion to exist for long. As it is most fundamentalists seem more concerned with imposing their beliefs on others instead of focusing on the spirituality within themselves.

As the topic indicates, the evolution of individualism will most naturally evolve to include spiritual individualism. Oh, joy!

Does God have a future? If God is eternity and eternity is forever than God is the future.

The past, the present, the future are all God. I, we, you, he, she, it, they are all god. Every drop of water, every breath of air, every blade of grass, every spark of fire, every grain of sand, this empty space are all God. This computer, my eyes, my fingertips, my brain, my mind, my thoughts are all God. I can't escape you my beloved GOD. I do not want to escape you. You are inside me . You are outside me. Please show me a place where there is no God.

Deepak I think, is talking about a God Who sits on a throne, who sends us to heaven if we are Christians, and go to church, it does not matter what we do out side the church; sends us to hell if we are non christians, who only lets Jesus stand next to Him, who calls all other religions as pagan religions. God is everywhere. He is in the tree. But if you worship the tree you are pagan. God is in the rock. But if you worship the rock you are pagan. He is in the river, but if you worship the river you are pagan and ignorant. He is in a statue, but if you worship the statue, you are ignorant. I don't understand this argument. Do you? I like my statues, I like my photographs. I am an ignorant person who is in the toddler stage of spirituality. I need a statue, I need a photograph of my favorite deity to worship. I like to worship Ganga, Yamuna, Godavari, and Kaveri. I see God in the rivers. I sometimes worship an entire mountain, because I see God in the mountain. I like to worship the tree in my home town, because that tree is sacred to me. The deity of that tree is very special to all our townfolk. How ignorant I am. But how happy, how devotional, how spiritual. I don't care if people call me pagan. I think Pagan is a good word. I don't give any power to anyone who wants to call me names. It does not matter what they call me.

I feel better I got all of that out of my head on to the screen.

Thank you Deepak and Mallika for letting me comment.God bless all.

That was a cute, from the heart yet Substantive Read Geeta! My eyes cudn't miss it. Very good understanding of the God we talk abt here, even though I knew before you had that. Omnipresent basically! I'm That, You're That and all there is That! That's how Deepakji with his Charismatic hand gestures wud say! What you talked above.

Perhaps he shud have elaborated on that "God" of the future. Many are straight missing the point. The Image and concept of God which most religious people have, especially the fundys.. does that Have a Future?? That is the question he asked for Discussion.

I still have another part in his blog to reply.

Love..Sachin

This idea of God being a creator, creation means beginning, to be a creator is only an extension of choice, God is nothing, but nothing is where conditioned understanding ends and where the Universe , everything, the almighty god and source of all choice and manifestation is.

This world is like a fluxation of endless choice, infact it is just an endless fluxation of choice.

Know there are no absoloutes with God whatever god is it can be anything at any time in any place, to think you can know it, condition it or understand it is only a limitation of the condensed understanding of your own mind.

real understanding of God is to surrender to the nothingness, are you brave or selfless enough to do that because I am not.... I am shit scared of loosing my identity even though I understand totaly what my perception, my feelings, my very substance realy is. it is like throwing yourself down a well and not questioning what is at the bottom of it.

God...... You are a Bastard LOL

Jules,
I am still thinking about what you said...
I hope to hear more. Can you come back?

Love,
Donatella

You wrote: "But the first road, which seeks to heal religion in light of science and rational thought, was the one taken by the vast majority of thinkers and believers. For God to exist side by side with science has proved enormously difficult, however. Sheer momentum kept people going to church, yet it was obvious that someone can be good, lead a moral life, uphold all the virtues taught by Christ, etc. without the benefit of religion."

Dear Deepak..Yes, as talked earlier it did seem that a good chunk of human population was gradually coming out of religion into spirituality, especially with the advancement of Science. But, again as you said it seems a little difficult for a lot to have both side by side. Science is simply the design of the entity creator which we call God. They aren't two or separate. They merge from the human standpoint, but from the, Creating Entity's standpoint.. where's the question of merging? It simply is One. Isn't it?

I myself was quite surprised what a huge section of scientists simply do not like that Idea. I really think it's becoz of different definitions coming to mind when we use the word "God". What is God? Who is God? Just this very question has to be talked for long I think.

Abt the last point....I'm sure Deepakji, you must have seen lots in your life like the ones which you talked above...Going to temples churches and the mosques are the most crooked sometimes and some who stay out of all this and religion are the cleanest, purest in their hearts. I've seen in some actually the main reason of going to those places is to clean themselves. My God! Who better than you to talk abt this subject...in your htkg how you explain what this God means to different people based on their level of awareness and their nature. The Map! That book has been the map of the Inner world, human nature and the spirit to me. Thanks once again for that. I may not have had such a clear picture without that book. I wonder to how many that book must have helped.

The last part of your blog: "God may have a future, but it is probably going to be very different from the picture painted by fundamentalists, the mass media, and divinity schools. Each of us now has to decide in private who to worship and pray to, whether the soul is real, what happens after we die, and so forth. Fortunately, new answers are arising and succeeding. You may be surprised to find out that your doubts and restless seeking by no means isolate you. By definition a quiet revolution doesn't attract notice until it has already occurred."

I hope like you on this one. But I was just watching a tv debate...and heard this term "Global Islamic consciousness" My God! What if they take it as seriously as you,I and others do abt mass consciousness and Unity consciousness. Yeah...just for a moment place yourself Deepakji in their boots and think abt what they are calling Global Islamic consciousness. It's the same consciousness btw which is manifesting itself as the Islamic consciousness or for that matter the Christ consciousness of the fundys. I, for sure don't overlook that, neither do I turn a blind eye to that while doing the same to the section of people who follow you(includes me). It's interesting which direction will this head.

This is something which I've always talked with you....never underestimate/overlook the other
camp(something again actually I learnt from you)What you,I and others here are talking and dreaming of that revolution...exactly the same they are thinking of their revolution there. Revolution where Christianity will rule the world or Islam will take over all the world. So..how can we be naive thinking just like them that ours will reign?

Love..Sachin

The following is a list of dudes that want to enslave the world, and you, militarily, economically, and spiritually. This organization is no less dangerous than the Nazi party of Germany’s predatory days, and in fact they are far more dangerous, because they have the unlimited resources of the American and Israelite war-machines at their disposal. I, personally am not ‘anti-Semitic,’ but I do not want to continue being lorded over by Anglo-Jews, whose compassionate conservatism has only one goal: world domination! Because these people are no less than children of Satan, and because apparently Jesus Christ has abandoned us poor people to the malevolent desires of these evil-doers, it is my Christianly duty to at least name some names; such as some are provided below.

PNAC (Project for the New American Century) members include:

Richard Cheney, Lewis Libby, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, William Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Dan Quayle, Steven Forbes, Donald Kagan, Charles Krauthammer, Richard Perle, Elliot Adams, Richard Armitage, John R. Bolton, Seth Cropsey, Paula Dobriansky, Frnacis Fukuyama, Bruce Jackson, Zalmay Khalilzad, Peter W. Rodman, Randy Scheunemann, , Dov S. Zakheim, Robert B. Zoellick, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Empower America, Ellen Bork, Robert Bork, Rudy Boschwitz, Eliot Cohen, Thomas Donnelly, Aaron Friedberg, Frank Gaffney, Reuel Marc Gerecht, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Christopher Maletz, Daniel McKivergan, Norman Podhoretz, Stephen Rosen, Henry Rowen, Gary Schmitt, George Weigel, R. James Woolsey (names provided by Wikipedia).

The afore names are just a sampling of people who want to destroy and or enslave us all. They are evil personified!

Moreover, apparently ‘Christian’ America is willing to continue commiting worldwide genocide for their belief systems and greed, while American soldiers and Special Forces continue to just ‘follow orders.’ But, the people that do the killing are just as evil as the people that order the killing, and however secret or open their warfare is; whoever does not stand against Satan’s operatives is with them.

While the above list is predominately a veritable who’s who of Anglo-Jews, more than likely your local church, of virtually any denomination, is also associated with these evil dudes. Every generation this American empire has victimized populations of people somewhere, aye, everywhere, on the face of this planet, and usually the American leaders calling for war are saying that they must go to war to kill all of those evil-doers, before they can kill ‘us’ of course. Typically, the battle-cry goes something like this, “those evil Native American savages need to be wiped of the North American continent,” or, “those evil Africans, while they make good hard-working slaves, are as evil as their black skin shows, and if they do not pick that cotton without talking their mumbo-jumbo then hang them or cut of their feet and penis.” Or, those Filipino “little monkeys” need to be saved from the Spanish, whether they realized the ‘good’ ‘we’ are doing them or not . . .

And the list goes on . . .

Now-a-days these people invoke such words as ‘democracy’ and ‘freedom’ to justify the killing of entire populations, and they will even say God is on ‘our’ side. Hundreds of millions of people have died because of the American God, and American warplanes, nuclear bombs, tanks, guns, missiles, and all such other weapons of mass destruction.

America IS the evil empire, and the Day of Judgment is soon to come upon this Pax Americana that so sorely offends the eyes of God.

Peace all

Craig Jones

no,no no, Simon,
God isn't a bastard,
more like a ...with a severe case of PMS!
LOL,
Love, Passion!
Ps. how's your synchrodestiny/nicity experiences coming along, Simon?

How can there be an meaningful discussion about "God" without defining the term first? Both parents and grandparents on both sides of my family were agnostic which leaves me outside the consensually agreed upon, unspoken reluctance to examine the term "God" . I have been a practicing Buddhist for 30 years, living in a Christian culture and I cannot recall ever hearing a discussion about "God" where Christians thought it necessary to define the term "God" first. There's a blindness there that sometimes seems thougtless and sometimes arrogant. I've come to realize that most of them perhaps have never even thought to define the term. This makes any dialogue about "God" nearly impossible because no one can possiby know what another person means when they say "God". I find this to be very subjective and sloppy thinking, often engaged in by very intelligent people. This type of thinking wouldn't be tolerated in any university level course of study in any other subject. I believe the reluctance to define "God" stems from a fear that if "God" is looked at too closely, it will be revealed as an illusory projection screen and lose its power over the human mind. Perhaps that might be a good thing when one looks at the brutal history of Christianity and other "God"-based religions.

Wonderful Pink!! I totally agree with you. The moment we say definition, people tend to think that you're placing God in a box. Not! The words in the following description/definition will tell you, which of course is from none other than the Master Deepak:

God is the Infinite, Unbounded, Eternal Intelligence which Projects itself constantly thru' the manifestation of time, space, matter and infinite energy.

This God...you'll see it everywhere!! Take any life form...the Intelligence which runs the life glares at you. You see a rock..it's the matter there. He has simply worded it beautifully in english the core message of Advaita and Buddhism!!

Hope it helps pink, if not..Plz don't tamper it, you can disagree if you want to and express your own perspec, but after reading your post felt like writing this to you as I was Impressed with your approach.

Truly..Sachin

Synchrodestiny you ask?...... I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Synchronised destiny with what or whom?

Destiny is an idea it is the belief in a ficticious destination. There is no destiny for me there is only the now.

Simon xx

Well, Simon, it's one of the coolest spiritual
fun! (but you have to rule out female's, that just doesn't work with and/or on them..;)

One of the audioprogramms, you should pick it up,
Simon, great stuff,

Love, Passion,

There are thousands of names and different ideas for different spiritual practices and methods, Synchrodestiny, Born again Christian, various methods of worship practiced by all the religions. They are all avoidance of the truth.

Becoming aware of yourself is the only practice needed, observe yourself instead of being yourself.

nothing more is needed than that.

Well, Simon,
The truth of the matter is,
that, it is, a,
re-creational universe,
that and,
if God didn't want us to have some fun,
he'd sure..

heck, like I know..no kiddin'!

In the absence of.. logic? understanding?,
blame it on Eve..she's always has something to do with it.. read the holy book, Simon, I didn't wrote it..;)

'observe yourself instead of being yourself'

You can't be meditating all day, Simon,
Twice a day is enough..;)
;)

Love, Passion!

Deepak,

Thank you for submitting your article to About.com's (a New York Times Company) Carnival of Healing.

It can be found at the 34th Edition, March 25, 2006 at the following link:

http://healing.about.com/od/community/a/carnival.htm

I think you will enjoy it.

Thank you,
Brendan

quote " And, faith in a God who punishes you for sin is so much different than a universe who punishes you for sin in the form of Bad Karma."

donatella, karma is not a punishment, its the effect of your actions.. something completly different.