beautiful, Deepak...
thanks so much..
love, Carolyn

Since there is a stress on awareness in this article, J.krishnamuthy talkes of choiceless or passive awareness since choice brings about conflict. One has to be aware from moment to moment without accumulating the experience that awarness brings.When we are aware of how we respond- what are our various prejudices, demands, persuits etc; this awareness reveals out whole process of thinking, our whole inner nature and in that there is a release.

In simple language, spirituality is all about living from moment to moment without being affected by past conditioning to enable to look at any issue dispassionately.

Dear Deepak,
This seven blog series is a nice series. But perhaps the name of this series should have been the "Seven Spiritual Levels" as you are simply talking about the various consciousness levels at which humans are existing/living and not "paths".

Cheers!
Navin

Christ and Buddha showed a path to humanity. If this path is not good enough, how can the collective consciousness with more christ's and buddha's(at the personal level) be good enough for humanity?. It is not the consciousness levels of christ and buddha which made them sacred, it is what they preached for the good of humanity that so many people followed.

An enlightened man said:

Nature, in its own way, throws out, from time to time, some flower, the end-product of human evolution. This cannot be used by the evolutionary process as a model for creating another one. Such a flower, you can put it in a museum and look at it -- that's all you can do.

Some parallels:
Flower is to Sacred or perfected beings like Christ and Budhha.
Evolution is to leap of consciousness.
museum is to a place of worship, books etc.

No, no, no Dr. Chopra! On an individual scale yes, yet also on a collectively world-wide scale!

This is the beauty of the 21st century! We now have the ability, the technology, to rebuild us, in a day even. The six-million dollar man rebuilt, free of charge and available to everybody. The 'Three Musketeers' universalized!

peace sir and all

Craig

This is what Ammachi has to say about this being a "dream world":

"Although this world is a dream, we are so identified with it that we do not feel it as a dream. We believe that it is true. Therefore spiritual practice is needed to wake up to God from this waking-state dream. Just as you come to realize that a dream is unreal when you wake up, you will realize that the world is unreal when you wake up to God-consciousness.
--- Mata Amritanandamayi

I don't get it. I don't feel like the world is a dream. I understand that people can (to one extent or another) mentally/physically detach from pain/suffering. That is a possibility. But a "waking dream" I do not understand. Does this mean that "three-dimensional reality" becomes irrelevant or "unreal"? What is the good of that? If someone is suffereng--for example starving in Africa--what is the good of me being enlightened and saying the world (and hence the starving person) is in a "waking dream"?
Also, I don't think Jesus taught this. Because he said that there will always be suffering/poverty in the world. And also, when Jesus came to earth he was a human--he suffered and had human problems--he did not appear to be "above" "three-dimensional reality".
If people believe in this that is fine--it doesn't make any sense to me. And I will never be at this step anyway and I won't strive to get there b/c I don't want to--it doesn't make any sense.

Very beautiful. I see these changes all over. There is light and beauty everywhere as we look to see it with new eyes.

“everything that happens in the spiritual life happens in consciousness.”

It happens in the heads of dimwits who allow spiritual gurus to screw their heads.

“The three-dimensional world becomes what is often described as a waking dream.”

When the head is screwed up, one cannot think straight, and hallucinates in a dream. He loses his head and the faculty to discriminate, everything appears same to the muddled head.

“ The material world is presently in deep crisis.” A Messiah speaking.

“Human beings have been pursuing their idea of happiness for centuries, and yet the world remains a place of suffering, plagued by famine, disease, crime, war, and individual sorrows.” All cliché.

“We have reached a limit beyond which the physical world itself cannot go.” Do you now mean pollution of the world by man or some TREMENDOUS insight of a guru connected with spirituality?

“On every continent, the collapse of traditional ways is mirrored by a huge yearning to escape the shackles of the past.” These kinds of authoritative statements come from confused thinking. What is the real cause of the effect?

“This crisis bespeaks a huge spiritual need.” Why spiritual need? To take mankind to dark ages again. Why not clear thinking and understanding of the problem and then finding a logical solution? And not talking of irrational things of spirits and souls.

THESE are the comments to the prelude of Spiritual Path #6. More to follow.
People, wake up. Use your heads. Let charlatans not brainwash you to irrational
crap of spirituality. They have their nuts to crack. Keep your heads on your shoulders, and not in the mud where spiritual gurus have been stuck for centuries.

Thank you :)

Bhagwan Yogiraj - your attitudes to spirituality don't seem to have too much in common with your name.

If your tried exploring consciousness through Raja Yoga you would discover the truth in much of what Deepak expresses in this article. It is not just the domains of Gurus, but an underlying reality which many people have found thoughout the ages, and many more will find that truth in the future.

Whereas it might seem unobtainable and like jargon to you, it actually represents an ultimate reality and degree of mastery which many people can indeed reach should they be open enough (and have the tools) to explore it.

I don't think all those people you do suffer in this world would think of their suffering as being nothing more than a cliche. And then there are people who suffer unkowingly, for whom tools of spirituality and self knowledge can genuinely lead to transformed world should only they embrace and learn.

We are all Bhagwans -blessed ones - and the world would be better and more happier if more people can come to realise that.

You should try living up to your name, and rise.

Jules

Bhagwam,

Would you please provide me, provide us here at intent, with your thoughts as to where you reasonably believe, AND where you (perhaps) irrationally hope, humankind will 'be' in 2020 (other than here on earth of course). Please . . .

peace all

I personally think the waking dream is taking things too far. That 3 dimensional reality may not be all there is, but it is what we spend the majorty of our waking lives experiencing, and the thing which most people never know anything but.

I think Deepak takes things to extremes. Few people are fortunate enough to be able to sidestep out of the necessary chores of life, such as earning a living, and totally transcend to that higher place. Yet through that, I think the possibilites are genuinely incredible.

I think realisation and discovery of the powerful things which which underly pur reality, particularly with regards to the Self, Soul, the power of Will, the way in which we create, can lead to a greater mastery of that 3 dimensional world, and greatly enance the overall experience of life. If that humanity ever did reach a greater realisation of these things, en masse, then level of happiness pervading the world compared to how it is now. would be extraordinary.

If I had to pick a culprit, I'd say the large orginised religions ar eth main barriers to this, which don't permit or encourage self exploration. Because with self exploration comes self empowerment. And its fair to say, self empowerment certainly isn't the thing which orgnised (controlling) religions have thrived on in the past.

2020? You never know, things could be changing!

What was it the Mayas said about 2012?

"How To Know God" D. Chopra--Level 6--pg.150

It is so difficult to be good that eventually a

person must give up.

pg. 152: THIS STORY DOES NOT MITIGATE THE EVIL OF

NAZISM, which has to be countered at it's own level.

pg. 153: Many devout CHRISTIANS find themselves

utterly baffled by Eastern Spirituality because they

cannot resolve the paradox.

pg. 154: In stage six little room is left for wrongdoing,

but in the tiny crest that is left, a person could lose

the distinction between holiness and false idealism.

This is for mature audiences only! Me2

Although I could certainly do with mastering not leaving in as many typos...!

Bhagwan, no hard feelings, just a combination of holiness and idealism, hopefully neither of them false.

"Our fate will be decided not by the return of a messiah or world teacher but by our decision to accept the invitation held out by the messiahs and world teachers who have already been here." ~ Deepak Chopra

This is so very beautiful ....

Thank you Deepak.

I dare not venture into Path #7, as I might disappear since Path #6 is a very high mountain to climb with responsibilites to humanity, but I guess for someone at that level, there is nowhere else to go. Anyway, seriously I am anxiously awaiting to hear about Path #7, Well, let me try to guess ... I think in Deepak's 'How To Know God' book, the last path is union with God or becoming God or something like that, as it's been a while since I read the book. But that sure sounds like a lot like Path #6 to me. Oh well...

Love, Char

May be Yogiraj should be put on the weekly intent as soon as possible, perhaps then we may all get the opportunity to see what exactly h/she has to say countering Dr. Chopra and all us dimwits here, so far he has wasted much of this space saying basically nothing substantive.

As I was pondering upon the return of the messiah, Jesus Christ several years ago, I heard within the Wind, "I come April 18." That's my birthday :-) I believe that we are the consciousness of God and of all things, but like most, I cannot see because of the cloud which I made, as I am afraid I might get fried! Okay, kind of joking, but kind of serious too. Just thinking out-loud as I attempt to understand mySelf. Love, Char

Deepak,

How do you know about Buddha, Christ, Mohammed

and other great Saints and Sages? What?!!!

I thought you said you "READ" about them...you did say that?

The Truth is out! Deepak knows how to read!

Deepak has read more than 2 authors books!

How do you keep from being all mixed up? What?!!!

Keith,

I try to make sense of your comments above. But the only word that comes to mind is, weird!

AJ.

PS: I also believe in a Higher Power of Oneness that holds all this together. I think some call it consciousness and some call it God or Goddess. I still don't understand it, because if I was the one holding the world together ... well, you get the picture. So I think it's like we are a part of consciousness and to be one with it, blows my mind away. I wonder what that would be like assuming that is Path #7 and not Path #6? Would we still be here? If so, then we would never really be the One, until we died to all this and united with the One and was no more. That's a little scary for me to think about as I still have an ego, i.e., I, Me, & Mine. So maybe Path #6 is really only as high as we can go, and in Path #7, we can only glimpse what it is like to be at One since we are still in our physical form. But what about the angels? They are certainly separate, as they do their business and the One. I think I am going to stop thinking about this as it's getting too weird for me.

Love,
Char

A.J.,

If you took those to be my words...well, just to

CLEAR things up, mine was only the last sentence!

Anybody else have your problem?

PPS: According to my understanding of the Bible, which is my basis for spiritually, it states that only one pure in heart will know God. What I think that means is that the desire must be real, (i.e. such as seeking), but not that the person must be perfect or no one would come to know themSelf, as I believe that God is pure Love and many of us are still veiled, or maybe I am the only blind person around? That's my 2 cents. Not that anyone asked, but I am babbling to myself. Love, Char

"How To Know God" D. Chopra, pg. 203:

"Come to me", Rumi implores,"even if you have broken

your vows a thousand times."

...

Straight out of the book, except this sentence!

"O wonderful Mahamaya, who can analyze your dream power that projects the momentary universe? Lost within your magic projection, we cannot recognize each other as strands of one consciousness. The only real agony caused by her strange theater; our inability to see her as she is, to be her as we are."
--- Ramprasad

"When we have seen Reality, there is not a grain of dust which has not a sublime meaning." ~ J. Vanderleeuw

Now, now, People.

Yogiraj and Keith are playing the devil and it is a good thing. Keith's question is absolutely valid - how do we know Deepak knows these things? He's talking about Buddha and Christ, and, especially regarding Christ, there's a whole lot of uncertainty about exactly what they were experiencing subjectively.

It's a valid question - is Deepak speaking from his own experience - if not, it is just conjecture, well-thought-out as it may be. And Yogiraj is making an extremely important point - that you cannot simply accept without questioning, whatever comes out of some wise man's mouth - even if he's your Guru, even if he's your father.

This underscores the point that there is no way to experience Deepak's sixth level vicariously - either it is your personal experience or it is not. If it is not, it may well seem like it is not even a possible experience.

And if it is not then there is no way to verify a statement such as "The three-dimensional world becomes what is often described as a waking dream."

If you simply accept the words as truth, but you have not the kind of experience which can verify the truth of it, you will, in fact, be deluding yourself about the whole thing.

It is mystical mumbo-jumbo exactly to the extent that it is not real, personal experience. Merely believing that the words must be true will get you nowhere. Exccept, as Yogiraj rightfully points out - into a confused state of mind.

We should thank these guys for helping us keep it real. And they're adding fire to the discussion here, making it more juicy.

Moving on to the content of Deepak's post, I think many of us have had glimpses into level six. I bet many posters here have had either brief or extended satoris - temporary experiences of exceptionally still-mind and lucid states, or just states of outright no-mind, where these dualities are transcended, and it can be felt how even a single thought has an effect in the space-time continuum.

When the mind is silent, and bliss is the background reality, the enormous energy that we put into even a single thought can be experienced. At this point, you know that "thoughts are things" that take up space and have boundaries, and use energy to form a subtle kind of mass.

You can see that thoughts are the building blocks of interpretations of personal realities (by which I mean the mind's interpretation of its perceptions), just like bricks make buildings, or brushstrokes make a painting.

You also realize that after the first brushstroke, the emptiness of the canvas is lost. As the reality becomes covered over with thought-strokes, the original clarity of perception is reduced. Realities can become so confining that depression results and thoughts of death seem like the only escape.

In the case of a temporary satori, the sudden reversion to your familiar intepretation of the world make come like a shock, like hitting the ground after a freefall. Whereas existence seemed so unlimited a short while ago, now there are blocking structures everywhere.

Sometimes people who have experienced satoris, if they cannot integrate the experience, they start to lose their grip on everyday life. The drudgeries of everyday life overwhelm them - they have seen a glimpse of beauty, but it seems inaccessible now.

Part of a master's work is to help the disciple to move back and forth between different kinds of experiences of his/her own reality. This is not a joke - a sudden enlightenment experience can cause a person to become very ungrounded, and perhaps even the jolt could kill them. This why some people have taken days to come back from very expanded experiences - their metabolisms have so slowed down, the effects on their physical body and their mental state are profound.

These are not imaginary experiences. Have you ever had a glimpse of level six? If you have to imagine what it must be like, then the answer is no. It will have been a dead-on real experience, as real as burning yourself on a stove.

Yogiraj and Keith are pointing out a very important point: there's simple tests to verify whether the person knows what they are talking about or not.

Those experiences separate the mystics from the philosophers. Philosophers theorize and speculate. Mystics experience, then if they are so motivated (and a lot of them aren't, so you never hear about them), they may try to communicate what they have experienced to others.

But this is extremely difficult. You will appear to be talking in metaphors when you are trying to literally describe what happened to you. People will misunderstand, and worse, those who want to believe will cling to your words, and go on missing the experience. They will go on filling the space up with more structures of their thoughts, instead exploring the infinite silences in the spaces between the thoughts.

In this way, "true believers" can become even a greater problem than those who question whether what you experienced was real, and even if it was, how is it going to transform humanity?

I think we'd do better to deal with the questions than attack the questioners.

For somebody struggling to feed themselves on a daily basis, or deal with a deadly disease, or fighting poverty everyday, some person from a totally different socio-economic background blabbing away about how thoughts create realities will seem like they are not even part of the real world.

They are trying to deal with their problems, and some idiot is chatting away about mystical experience. They have every right to tell that person to shut up.

This is the problem a true teacher has to face. And it is compounded by the fact that the teacher is competing with many others whose goal is to sow more confusion that they can then exploit.

If you can get a group of confused people to follow what you say, you can make lots of money and get real famous.

People should aggressively question those who say they've seen a glimpse of a better life. Too large as percentage of those making such claims are deceiving themselves, or others, or both.

Very few people can wreak the kind of havoc and destruction that a leader who believes in his own delusions can wreak. How many Hitlers, Jim Joneses, and Heaven's Gate type cults does it take? How many Armegeddons will we have to endure before we stop believing the crap and following the believers-in-crap?

Go get'em, Yogiraj!

Thanks Yogi-one,

How many people have studied the Brahma Sutras? It's almost a waste of time, I understand they are really meant for someone living or close to living that state of level 6 or some high path.

I think this stuff gets lost in the translation, and when Deepak says it's subtle, that's an understatement, at least to my thick brain.

Right now I see a broken world that needs fixing, not just going green as the cover of Vanity Faire celebrates, but heal and bring the light of the divine to people, places, and things that really need it like Darfur and other places of intense darkness. I think we need people who are happy to be living and loving on this planet, not in Brahma Loka or Sri Nagar, one can enjoy that when even the lowliest of worlds like earth and it's inhabitants become whole. You don't have to be Christ-like or Buddha-like, just Keith or Craig, or Yogi-One, or Kate, or Kristie, and AJ like.

Cheers,

Steve

I totally second yogi-one on this:-

"People should aggressively question those who say they've seen a glimpse of a better life. Too large as percentage of those making such claims are deceiving themselves, or others, or both."

There is somebody I know who started a local spiritual centre . I complimented him on his handsome initiative and began attending his discourses. He was knowledgeable on a variety of subjects and claimed to be a realized soul. Now how does one verify or validate that? When I started questioning some of this sweeping statements, he said publicly once that I was hell bent on seeing something negative in what he said. I clarified that I was only trying to point out that different things apply to different people differently and if there are exceptions to certain rules, they needed to be pointed out. He expected people to follow him blindly saying that a guru should be tested only once or twice. This is humbug as Budhdha has said to experience everything on one's own and not follow him blindly. Osho also said that his followers would never reach exactly the same conclusions.

Since it is not difficult to impress 20-30 people who are not exactly have an intellectual profile, I requested this person to have a web presence like this blog for instance. Here there is no restriction of space or time and one is subhject to scrutiny from people all over the world who can choose to disagree with you without being shouted down by sychophants. He flatly refused. I sometimes got the impression that more than promoting spirituality or its understanding, he was promoting himself as a guru. The desire to be a guru builds up the ego which in itself can be deemed unspiritual.

In general, whenever spiritual gurus talk of things like "unlimited potential", "abunance" or "Unlimited wealth", "Transcending the self for unlimited bliss" or "United Consciousness", how does one validate such things? There is even a book called "The Yoga of Wealth" by a modern guru although in none of the traditional yoga books, any reference to wealth is given.Is this true or is it like playing to the gallery-giving what the audience wants to hear or read. Many of the things written about wealth do not tally at all with what the law of Karma says. So either the ancient law is wrong or the modern guru is wrong.

Talking of consciouness and the higher self can be intellectually intoxicating. They give you an "intellectual high" and when a guru is explaining all that, nobody has the guts to question. How can one tangibly validate it or some of the things mentioned above? Nobody really has the time to get into detail on all this.

""...it's outta control...it's outta control,

I tried to warn you, I tried to warn you!" Jefferson Starship

Thanks Yogi-one! They respect your opinions, and

of course, our words will never meet. No matter,

it's only the "Real Thing" that gets ya, not the

"Un-Cola"!

Amba-Steve,

Hello, you are also awake. Can we trust that George Clooney

will run for Pres. if he makes a real difference in Darfur?

He's handsome, rich and famous...all the tools one needs?

Gracie Slick,

Love ya, girl! Thanks! Hey, "what's so funny

About Peace, Love and Understanding?" Elvis Costello

Hiren, I enjoyed your response. I agree that talking in too lofty terms about the unreachable, isn't the most productive or beneficial thing for a guru to do.

If I was to re-phrase (re-write) it in less lofty terms, it seemed like path 5 was about realising a connection with something greater, and learning how to use that for betterment of the self. Whilst path 6 is about taking some of those lessons to other people, so they might learn something and achieve some for themselves.

But I don't think the way is then to shove it at people and say you should all aspire to the unreachable, and wow, look how great I am. It's about small pieces of wisdom which people apply, and if it isn't relevant to the listeners lives then it can be irrelevant and a distraction, and even make the listener feel bad by thinking that there level isn't good enough,

Hiren, I enjoyed your story about the guy who started a spirtual centre. Nice one for chalenging him as well! And I certainly agree with the Buddha and Osho quotes, about the importance of experiencing, exploring, and thinking for your self if it is to have meaning.

Steve, I also see a broken world, which could be made better should people alter their beliefs, priorities and action. But this doesn't at all have to be through spiritual soloutions, of couse many people are completely turned off by that. If George Clooney is doing good for the world, and causing other people to do the same, then great. What matters is that things are getting better for more people, however that is occuring.

I'm my own guru and take responsibility for all in my life. I just take in any ideas that appeal to me, that help make my 'waking dream' the best it can be. Whatever our reality we may as well enjoy each day as much as possible and help others do the same.

But, if I had to pick a 'guru' to spend time with on a desert island I reckon Deepak would be my choice.

I heard him speak to a group of health professionals in Australia some years ago and I think his knowledge of the human world and the universe is amazing. Life's so wonder-full.

I love the discussion and the care and warmth exhibited on Intentblog.

“spiritual power is actually real,” Is it? What is real about the spiritual power? Is this power not virtual, existing in only blind beliefs? Does this power not come from thin air?

“As the stories of Buddha, Christ, Muhammad, and great saints and sages testify…”
Where do these people talk of consciousness? You mean God? Did Buddha ever talk of
God? Christ and Mohammad did talk of God. Is your awareness of yourself and of the universe is what you call consciousness here and attribute to it spiritual nonsense and get confused TRMENDOUSLY , and thereafter propagate this confusion to the confused minds. Is this how spiritual gurus get fame and wealth – and sweet goodies!

“Miracles are no longer extraordinary, because they are simply manifestations of thought.” Manifestations of thought! So guys, think hard and cause miracles fast!

“Awareness is primary, the physical world secondary.” Self cannot exist without the physical world. So there is nothing primary or secondary here. You have to be a part of the physical world to be cognizant of it or of self.

“At this stage the person confronts human nature itself and feels great compassion for anyone trapped in the illusion of limitation.” And at this stage the rational mind takes pity on the irrational mind of an hallucinated guru.

“Pain and suffering are seen as completely unnecessary, being made of dream stuff.”
True, since the mind of the guru has lost the power to discriminate. He is dull and dumb. He has no use of neurons in his cerebral cortex. His medulla oblongata is all he wants to make his heart beat and make the air move in and out of his lungs. At this stage he sometime comes out of his delirium with words such as, “ Om, Om, shanti, shanti. Love, peace for all humanity.”

“Now the issue is how to make other people wake up from their dreams, how to show them that their troubles are self-created.” Now the real issue is to put other people into delirium of spiritual nonsense. Not wake them up to the realities of life. Drag them into darkness.

On Path #6 one sees that the only way is to re-enter the dream and talk to people on their own level.” The only way! The only guru who knows this path! People, follow him. Praise him. Worship him. Give your money to him, as he can put you into deliriums, make you forget about the real issues of life and help you drown your sufferings and sorrows not in the bottles of liquor but in the divine fountains of spiritual wisdom – beyond space and time, to a a place of immense energy that created the whole universe, that created you and the guru himself. Do you see flashes of bright light, like you see when you are near death and god sends you back to us to tell us your experiences at your death bed!

“ But at the same time, the teacher who embodies Path #6 interacts across the boundary of time.” Your teacher has come very close to god now , he is interacting across the boundary of space and time. He is no longer confined. Follow him. He will take you to god. What more do you want….mortal, rotten people? Don’t worry. God loves you. Your guru loves you. Give him more of your money money. No don’t. He does not ask for it. That will be ungodly. But buy his books, audios, videos, stuff of the interactive media, and last but not the least spend a weekend at his ashram for few thousand bucks and listen to his preachings close for an hour for another few hundred bucks. And if you have more money to spare, buy some Indian incense, it will work wonderfully on your olfactory glands while you recite some holy mantras or carry on the meditation as prescribed by him. If you feel cold in winter months, don’t worry. Fish out another few hundred bucks to buy a real Cashmere shawl. Wrap your self with it while reading gurus books on wintry days, it will keep all the holy love feelings longer near your body and mind. You will have more time to imbibe them and they will fast open your third eye. And suddenly, that flash of light! That is enlightenment, people. Get enlightened to go to paradise. Why do you want to rot in this meaningless world of pain and sufferings. He promises you paradise like a lover promises a rose garden to his beloved. And how true, some holy texts of certain religions do describe paradise as full of fountains and flowers and gardens, and peaceful eternal music, not to speak of apsaras (fairies) and virgins, dancing enraptured in love waiting for you.

“Like a shaft of light penetrating heavy fog, the presence of a Christ or Buddha stands permanently as a beacon in collective consciousness.” What a metaphor! Are you not yet impressed?

MORE LATER.

Deepak: As always, it's wonderful to see your light shining; both in, and through the collective dream of this timeframe.

You say stage #6 is a simple possibility; at this point it seems to more as "simply probability!"

And in great part this changing dream is due to "messengers and teachers" like you and Dr. Dyer, and all the millions-upon-millions of students, and teachers, who study your works, and consequently participate in reaching and stretching to new levels of awareness.

An ongoing and continuous "Thank You" for being, and doing, what you so clearly love! Dave

Bhagwannbe: Your egotism sticks out like the "rings around Ur-anus!"

Is it a bad case of "Guru's diarrhea, or mental hemorrhoids--egoids, as it were?

B.Y......OG...--Bring Your Own 'Guru':

Authoritative Statement: "It happens in the heads of dimwits who allow spiritual gurus to screw their heads." Bhagwan Yogiraj

Questions: Dim Wits? Those whose "wit" has failed them--thereby rendering them as "dim bulbs" who have nothing better to do than fixate and obsess on someone else, and never add anything new or "original"--just anger and insults at what they don't understand??

Authoritative Statement: "When the head is screwed up, one cannot think straight, and hallucinates in a dream. He loses his head and the faculty to discriminate, everything "appears same" to the "muddled head." B.Y. (Quotes added for....?)

Questions: Everything, or "no thing," appears to be the "same" in such a muddled head?--Bhagwan--you keep saying the "same thing," over and over, about Deepak and spiritual gurus, money, and dimwits.....what does that say about your muddled thoughts of anger and obsession towards Deepak?)

Authoritative Statement: "All cliché. B.Y.

Questions: As opposed to Bhagwan's repeated originality?

Authoritative Question: "Do you now mean pollution of the world by man or some TREMENDOUS insight of a guru connected with spirituality? B.Y.

Another question: Which word don't you understand, Bhagwan?

Authoritative Statement: "These kinds of "authoritative statements" come from "confused thinking." What is the real cause of the effect? B.Y.

Good Question: Does Bhagwan have the authority to make "authoritative statements" regarding Deepak's "authoritative statements?"

Another Question: What is the "real cause" for the effect of your fixation, obsession, muddled and confused thinking, Bhagwan?

Authoritative Question and Answer: "Why spiritual need? To take mankind to dark ages again. Why not clear thinking and understanding of the problem and then finding a logical solution? And not talking of irrational things of spirits and souls. B.Y.

Questions: Is it strange to find "things of spirits and souls" on a blogsite that features such discussions; written by other "spirits--through their souls?"

....Are "spirits and souls" irrational "things" to that One which created them?

Bhagwan--Do you have a "logical 'soul'-u-tion" for your fixation, obsession, and muddled thinking towards Deepak?

Authoritative Statement: "More to follow. B.Y.

Questions: Is that a threat, Bhagwan, or just a boring promise for "more of the same muddled thinking and anger?" Or just more "diarrhea?"

Authoritative Statement: "People, wake up. Use your heads.

Question: So you do believe in the "dream state" after all--or what is there to "wake up" from, Bhagwan? And do we become like you; muddled, angry, obsessed, fixated, and confused, when we "wake up?"

Authoritiative Statement: "Let charlatans not brainwash you to irrational crap of spirituality.

Question: Would it be better for me to have a Bhagwan charlatan like you "brainwash me" with your misery, anger, obsession, and learn how to fixate on others like you?

I was hoping to achieve a new "low" in muddled thinking and confused anger--how much do you charge, Bhagwan?

.....And is that your real name, and do you really live in the mid-west, or is New York--and how many aliases and computer ID's are you now using?

Authoritative Statement: "They have their nuts to crack. Keep your heads on your shoulders, and not in the mud where spiritual gurus have been stuck for centuries.

Question: Isn't the mud where the Lotus Flower takes it's roots, to grow into the "Awakened Spiritual Blossom" that it becomes?

Bhagwan: On "what authority" do you make these claims--what is your background for spiritual/mental/emotional development and training--or for that matter, on any claim you've ever made, under all your aliases, and in light of all your endless anger, bitterness, and fixated obsession towards the Chopras and Shekhar, since your first release of "mental and emotional diarrhea" in one of the Chopras' cyber-bathrooms?

Your devotee and "muddled mind" dimwit--Bhagwan Yogi-Dave (YogiJr.--since I'm still learning from you how to grow really dim, and grim--Have a nice day and smile a lot; may your dimness illuminate the world with muddled thinking, Your Holy Sri Bhag-wannabe-yogi-ji-ness!)

Hello Deepak and Everyone,

Another little jewel to go along with Deepak's.

So, yes, there is a movie playing, and we are disturbed by it, put off balance, lost to our true SELF in it. But we keep trying to break into the projection room to sabotage the machine, or we obsessively plot ways we could assassinate the projectionist, or we file a lawsuit against the theater entering into endless debate over whose fault it is that we are so miserable, when in acutality all we have to do is withdraw the screen so that no matter what gets projected, there is nothing for the drama to reflect off of. This is the one and only thing we have control over. It is actually quite simple to do but, in our misunderstanding, it's the last option that occurs to us.(Perfection of Nothing by Rick Lewis)ruth

You put me thoughts most eloquently into words Yogi!

One point of your post I would like to grow upon . . .

“When the mind is silent, and bliss is the background reality, the enormous energy that we put into even a single thought can be experienced. At this point, you know that "thoughts are things" that take up space and have boundaries, and use energy to form a subtle kind of mass” Yogi-one quote.

And these thoughts made into ‘things,’ yet deconstructed from man-made value, shall be our salvation. Here, ‘on’ the internet, we are in the cybernetic ‘heavens,’ interjecting our individual thoughts out into ‘space.’ Freefalling or directed, sometimes free sometimes partly directed, always a little of both. Blogging itself is determined free-will heh. This typing, our thoughts, our thoughts mixing creating growing; epicurean atoms agglutinating into all of us, that is, into the One. That literal ‘critical mass’ may one day be reached!

Just as I have learned lots of stuff right here at intentblog that is just amazing, OUR collective consciousness is being raised beyond any previous possibilities! Your projected thoughts pinging into me mind, into my thoughts, at the type of a finger; altering me, bettering me, uplifting me: glorious!

Like nuclear fission, since humanity became human over the last hundred thousand years, we have split up and broken apart, yet now, at this time in our species history, at this 21st critical juncture in the history, and future, of NOW, we are (hopefully) upon the precipice, indeed mayhap at the ‘tipping point’ of fusion. All becoming One, when the One accepts that she/he has to dedicate themselves to the all.

And it can be so, I truly believeth . . .

Good morning all!

You is a guru too Yogi-one!

Actually, we are all gurus!

Bhagwan-shree-(insert your last name here) . . .

peace

Ruth: Your post made me think I always like to "view" the "movie theater" as having the projector being my subconscious mind, the image on the screen is my earthly personality-self, and "the Observer" is the me that is both watching the movie, as well as the one who is aware I'm in a movie-theater-of-dreams---the audience member can be aware of the projectionist and projector, the actor-image on the screen, and it's own greater Observer-Soul-Self all at the same time.

Craig--You're sounding very chipper and bouyant lad; very nice to "see you" in such high spirits, indeed! Dave

It has been an interesting discussion point. I read somewhere that "God punishes the intention more than the action". Doubtful motives on either side are undesirable. If there are certain misgivings about certain things the Gurus say, they should be questioned with a kind of scientific temper and not fault finding or questioning just for the sake of questioning. Sweeping statements on either side are undesirable.

That is a very insightful and amazing description of the 6th stage of realisation, which is actually #5.

I know it does not really matter all that much how you describe the stages of realisation or what format you choose to understand them but I have always understood the seven stages of realisation begining from Stage 0 to Stage 6. Stage 6 being the highest physical level of consciousness and 0 being divine consciousness prior to physical birth.

very interesting..

"How To Know God", D. Chopra Level 7 pg. 159:

So here we are, not just in a sacred place but in a holy of holies.

I have the misfortune of generally missing out
on holiness.
..................................................
Hi! I know some of us were wondering, this was

published in 2000, a long time ago...so it's not up to date.

He goes on to say on pg. 169 that he did see two

ghosts at one time, not really what were talking

about but hey, I've never seen one!

I've never hallucinated before either, kinda wish

I could have, my trips were never much like my friends

were having, at a certain point I always had to go off

to be alone, I'm talking about a lot of years ago!

My more recent "experiences" have been without

"cheating"! Several kinds of several flavors of favors,

grace from ? I was most often alone at these times.

Why Me2? What had I done to deserve these "gifts"?

Was I supposed to do something...particular?

Why only the best, when I'm alone? What now...?

You cannot help feeling "picked out", or redeemed!

You can no longer deny, your biggest question has been answered!

Why have I read so many books? To find out what

the hell happened to me. This was not all mental,

cognitive functioning, my body played a large part

in this scene.

I have found affirmation, brotherhood, and confirmation

from a variety of sources...I don't feel all that

weird anymore! I was hoping to find some fellow

brethren, as such, from IB. Maybe I have, now.

Dave--You have yet to spill your guts, if ya got 'em,

let's be flauntinin''em now, O.K.?

Anybody else? Deepak? I know...we have to wait till

your really old before you spill yours.

If you're not yet "experienced" people, you still

have time. Go out campin' or something...alone!

Seek, relax, it may happen, it may not. You cannot force

or twist anybody's arm here. It's either happened

to others, or not. Think positively, allow yourself

the opportunity, somewhere safe, somewhere pleasant.

And happy hunting! Wish it could happen to everyone,

mature... or not! Cat's out of the bag, folks!

God bless, Keith

Craig,

Puh-leeze, don't guru-ize me, I'm only the piano player!

The sentences I wrote that you quoted are from my experience. I have spent a lot of time exploring alone, all types of meditation, breathing explorations, also suspended in warm water (kind-of sensory deprivation-lite, you might call it).

Like Keith, I wanted to know what was actually going on with all the claims of altered states, and higher consciousness.

There is only one way to find out, and it's not by joining a group of people or flying across the planet.

It's by plunging into your own consciousness, facing first the loneliness, the restlessness, the dreaming, the wondering who am I (because we are not who we think we are, in fact we aren't our thoughts at all), and all the unconscious memories that come bubbling up, until eventually, the mind starts getting quiet.

Sorry, there's no shortcuts for this. No magic instantaneous technique, no book, no video, no weekend workshop. None of that. You have to spend the time alone, in silence, diving intensely into the depths of your consciousness, as deep as you can go.

You probably will not want to hold a job, live with other people, or whatever during these times.

When the Yoga Sutras were put together, they are not referring to a social gathering.

There will be times when the spaces are expanded, and you can actually experience a single thought, one at a time. Then you will be able to verify those sentences. I could be wrong. I'd love to have to double-check them against your own experience.

Replicate the conditions and procedures of the experiment, taking care not to contaminate the outcome with pre-expectations, and see if the outcome is similar.

That's called experimenting with meditation. The testing of techniques and verification of results is what makes meditation different from philosophy.

I am fortunate to have been able to arrange periods of my life where I could be essentially alone, and test techniques and get some results.

There's a lot of junk in my consciousness like everyone else's: all my social conditioning, all my father's bad jokes, the things that trigger my temper, the impressions of my past experiences and the (sometimes wrong) conclusions I drew as a result of those experiences.

Learning techniques which can identify, and process old emotional content is also helpful and goes hand in hand with the meditation experiments. The approach is two-prong. Do the meditations, and also learn to handle the incomplete emotional material that will be surfaced. Because it will surface if you are making satisfactory progress.

Some techniques work better than others. Different strokes for different folks - some will get good results with different techniques than others.

Although the revelations come, as Keith said, when you are alone, this doesn't mean that teachers cannot help, or even a guru. But there are good teachers and bad teachers, and authentic and fake gurus.

To use an engineering analogy, we don't have to re-invent the wheel, but we still have to go through the years of training and experience that it takes to become a good engineer. Same is true of meditation practice as any other practice, such as music or martial arts. There are great teachers and role models out there, but you still have to work through it yourself.

To Yogi-Raj I would say: your doubts are valid. Now you need to take the rubber to the road. Do the experiments yourself. Find out what's mumbo jumbo and what's not.

Yogi-Raj, contrary to your opinion, this place is not made up of blind Deepak devotees. I'm not one, that's for sure.

There's a lot of people on this blog that have lots of actual experience with spiritual techniques and different schools of thought. They can suss out the meat in your posts fairly quickly.

Yogi-one,

We've thinned out the crew like "Survivors" or

some other second-rate "Reality" show.

You know of the works of John C. Lilly, M.D.?

"The Center Of The Cyclone" 1972, did lots of work in isolation,

tanks, dolphin research, entheogenics, etc. Hope you do.

Have you ever been sitting around, listening

to P.F., with friends in low places, when suddenly,

someone starts laughing at their own thoughts...

then someone else joins in...then pretty soon the

whole room is cracking up, and we don't even know

why, and nobody asks why? We just slowly quiet back down,

waiting for anyone else to walk in, and then we start

all over again, and the person who just came in...

goes back out quickly, thinking we were laughing at them.

I'm not saying all my fun has been alone, I'm

not saying there weren't some "bad trips", I'm
saying

a lot of bonding goes on, and some of these memories

are stamped in permanently, that's a good thing!

It's obviously hard to bond on a blog, but some

of us are moving in the right direction. I wish I

knew where they went! Happy trails, Me2

Hi Deepak, thank you for the 6 spiritual paths, that you have described. Can't wait to read the 7th one. I owe you an apology for trying to guess what 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th will be and failing. These are beautiful insights. God bless.

“The person who has risen this far may feel no longer at home in the material world.”
The person who has risen so far has lost his head and thus the touch with the realities of life. He has become a loony and lives in the spiritual world. To keep his sanity, it becomes so easy for him to talk of peace, love and healing lest he be examined by a shrink and put into a house for the mad people.

“The earth has reached a turning point,” What turning point?

“There is no reason to repeat those dramas form the past.” So the lives of Christ and Buddha were dramas in the past!

“Our real hope is to experience a leap of consciousness that would be the same as theirs,”
[Christ’s leap of consciousness: I am the son of my father in heaven. But the kingdom of my father is within you.
Buddha’s leap of conscious: There is suffering in the world. Follow midway path. Do meditation – self hypnosis.] Meditation and self hypnosis result in the same alpha wave activity in the brain. And might influence the parasympathetic nervous system.

“Our fate will be decided not by the return of a messiah or world teacher but by our decision to accept the invitation held out by the messiahs and world teachers who have already been here.” A prediction written in stone – people will come back to follow messiahs and world teachers – they will not look forward but will go backward in the past.

“This isn't a mystical prediction but a simple possibility.” So how a seemingly mystical prediction suddenly becomes a simple possibility? Perhaps in the next path…end of all seeking. Death! Graveyards and cremation grounds. Dust into dust but before that, flights of souls to paradise!

Yogi-One: A truly marvelous post--Thank You!

Keith: I "spilled my guts" all over the Chopras' cyber-floor for months, when I first came to the Intentblog--no need to make more messes than I already do--but thanks for the curiosity.

Bhagwan: You're the guy who likes to come into the party wearing different disguises.

After people get used to your latest disguise, you slip over to the Deepak's "wells-of-wisdom" and especially while somebody's watching you, you quietly spike the well with your poison--and that's why it's called "Poisoning the Well."

Then you slip away for a time, avoiding any interaction or attention with other "well-wishers," and you wait for that poison to start making the Intentblog visitors sick-to-their-stomachs.

.....And then, then you come back in wearing another disguise, say that of a concerned paramedic--and you staunchly proclaim that Deepak's wells are poisoned--you even have the proof of what kind of poison it is, since you put it there unbeknownst to others--and you proclaim you have the remedy for all who are ailing--while loudly, with the pretense of sincere offense, and with the most vile "intent," proclaim it is Deepak himself who is "poisoning the well."

I'd normally say, "You ought to be ashamed of yourself," but I know it's wasted words, because your not ashamed at all--just pissed that you get "found out," and that then requires you to get another "mask," for your next masquerade.

You have never answered one question of mine to you--what do you get out of "poisoning the well"--since only a few, who haven't taken your now-tainted water into their systems, seem to verify your latest "mask" as even credible?

Why are you so fixated and obsessed with Deepak Chopra?

Can't answer Bhagwan, or won't, for fear of further exposure--that it may be your mind that is....?

Have you ever heard the saying: "You have to lose your mind, in order to find yourself?"

It is a paraphrased teaching of Jeshua, Joseph-bar-Joseph; AKA, Jesus of Nazareth. Dave

Vivitrol for the withdrawal
from the alcohol
FDA saying 'yea'
take this drug today:

opiates for booze.
Cannabis for longhairs,
dirty jerks who don't like war
and don't like to work.

One for the fighting lost & poor
and legal as can be,
the other guarantees a job
for an ex-fighting reflex.

The bottle over the bong
shall ever prove peace wrong!

You motivation is your money,
then you speak of mine! Ah . . .
I was robbed of motivation
it was a property crime.

For dimes, for dimes,
I listened to the man tap-
dancing about the world
wielding round as a drunken Indian.

Remembrances --- it was a property crime,
gold gold gold, and land, and shiny little crystals
propelled progress to epic heights,
as this poem foretold;

long ago in neither another time nor space,
intended blogs right here in our place. Now!

In a day of opiates and Mammon
Brad and Lara Croft
incisive Bhagwams
and incessant technological triumphs

we are living in a 21st century golden age
of reason love and gold
the Trinity of God Spirit and man
has to us not yet been sold.
Christ or gold is the equation
quite simply told.
So let us piss on the head of
the rive Pison from whence
Havilah’s good gold was by man rotted

bdelliumonyx Beelzebub possessed by Spirit
by Grace mankind for nothing repos --- paradise.

High in the clouds idealized images come floating
fire-breathing horses and thunder-throwing gods

and dreaming stonies . . .

peace and good morning everybody

Vivitrol for the withdrawal
from the alcohol
FDA saying 'yea'
take this drug today:

opiates for booze.
Cannabis for longhairs,
dirty jerks who don't like war
and don't like to work.

One for the fighting lost & poor
and legal as can be,
the other guarantees a job
for an ex-fighting reflex.

The bottle over the bong
shall ever prove peace wrong!

You motivation is your money,
then you speak of mine! Ah . . .
I was robbed of motivation
it was a property crime.

For dimes, for dimes,
I listened to the man tap-
dancing about the world
wielding round as a drunken Indian.

Remembrances --- it was a property crime,
gold gold gold, and land, and shiny little crystals
propelled progress to epic heights,
as this poem foretold;

long ago in neither another time nor space,
intended blogs right here in our place. Now!

In a day of opiates, Mammon
& Brad and Lara Croft:
Yodas Yogis and Yahoo, only 1 is real.
Incessant technological triumphs

we are living in a 21st century golden age
of reason love and gold
the Trinity of God Spirit and man
has to us not yet been sold.
Christ or gold is the equation
quite simply told.
So let us piss on the head of
the rive Pison from whence
Havilah’s good gold was by man rotted

bdelliumonyx Beelzebub possessed by Spirit
by Grace mankind for nothing repos --- paradise.

High in the clouds idealized images come floating
fire-breathing horses and thunder-throwing gods

and dreaming stonies . . .

peace and good morning everybody

Hey, the first one didn't post the first time; I checked.

sorry, busted

Baby you and me can we get much higher?

Slap my face and call Deepak a liar.

You won't do what you want with reality.

Let's stoke the fire, undo man's frailty.

Realer than rocks, stones and gems

Liberation, you and I, more than ten men.

Ha Ha Ha, Ho Ho Ho

Don't you just hate going slow?

Bah Bah Bah, Bo Bo Bo

Idealogues, no idea where we'll go.

Sit in a quiet room, boom boom boom,

Life is my extravagent material plume.

Truth is stranger than your epic beliefs,

Play with it, shatter them, get complete.

Love,
Mike

Craig and Mike: Now that stuff is fun!

Craig, you continue to surprise me--keep going with it--if you will. Dave

Craig: It would be more appropriate at this point, to say that your "ballad-like" post has "mightily engladdened" me, again! Dave

Suddenly awaken! I am thinking it is 5:15 and the day has begun, but after I am drinking a mighty cup of java I realize tis only an old Who song running through the air, and it is 3:30 in the 'real world':

"pretty girls digging prettier women,". . ."inside outside, leave me alone, inside outside, nowhere is home, inside outside, where have I been?"

"outta my brain on a train." [5:15; The Who]

why should I care no high-heel shoes here . . .

Mike Mike Mike! So you think you can bust a rhyme, beat the rap; keep up with the Jones (LITERALLY)? Well, Craig-Kicks-Alot shant call upon the goddesses or gods of muse, nor the ethereal energies of the Crows deceiting tongue,

nay wayfarer my minds' (yes plural possessive) fire shall consume thee!

Bust an ode my brother and I shall reply with words that charm even Hela's frozen hell.

Yet, me gots to grade papers all day from 1 2 10 at night so replies can come at 'odd' hours

peace all and good morning again!

Craig Jones

uuhhhh,

that warm even Hela's frozen hell

he-he

Striving David and good day to you sir

peace

I don’t need to fight to prove I’m right,
I don’t need to be forgiven
Baba O’Riley says to the crowd;
its only teenage wasteland after all.

Torturous prisons abound
as the Saxon merchant
sells immigrant and Huckster blood
for the Jewish land . . ., and the oil man.

Harlot! Cease thy ‘free’-trade prattle,
and call a spade a spade,
and a nigger a slave,
after all is this not what his cranial deformation shows!

Spare me your illegal proof of Mexican gold
and fuck your burden Anglo man.
Raging Moctezuma reclaims his indigenous realm
thy Christian greed and gluttony has now corrupted
the very sea and earth.

Philadelphia’s freedom has choked to death on the smog,
as humankind’s salvation is found through a blog:
Intentblog dot com.

Christ’s descendant humanity ascendant

glorious peace and prosperity all

Craig

mhhmnn..I havn't had the chance, to read
the 7 spiritual laws of Yoga yet, but, if I'm not mistaken, these co-encide with the chakra's and the inner/outer, 'thing' right? I never did get it beyond the fourth realm, the imagination/maya thing, was that Path to Love, that I got the 'Divine 5th', but you've lost me with that 6th one, nevermind, nevertheless,

Love, Passion!

Craig,

What a little work won't do to raise your Spirit!

Got Traffic? WHO was it? Neil Young, more like you,

Heart Of Gold,eh?

Work before pleasure...or not, prose or ditty,

rhyme or pity, I should fix my checkbook...but here

I...okay, here I am! There, said it, everybody

happy, now?

Wait till L7...when I am not! nor will I be here,

everybody knows this is nowhere(now here,squeezed)

and anywhere's a better place to be! I should be

driving a taxi...so I can fly, so high, when I'm

cloned! Hairy Chafin

The world being a dream of sorts, makes sense not because someone tells you it is so; but because you can feel this for yourself...

I am still thinking about a statement from step5, however:

--I can make my intentions materialize, but at the same time the things I actually want are rapidly diminishing.

interesting - who is the [I] that has actual wants different from [my] intentions?

Now, I remember, the 5th, 6th and 7th, (and forth
since Aquarius), were distinctions, 'beyond' the senses, the 'observer' than would be.., heck,
like I care! ;), but it sure does remind me of a song..;)

Would you like to swing on a star
Carry moonbeams home in a jar
And be better off than you are
Or would you rather be a mule?

Just teasing a girl, don't sue me,
Love, Passion!

I wish you would put the links to the earlier installments for latecomers to go back to parts 1-5..
Thanks!

The engladdened heart of a golden man ---

let's see here . . ., follow the prompt, grading 'rubric,' B is for blank . . .

Students must demonstrate understanding of the hierarchical paradigm of producers, herbivores, omnivores, and carnivores . . .

Aye - Aye - Aye one and all.

The earth, the poor, the middle, and the very very rich.

The rich go, and the earth once more freely flows, the earth goes, and well,

everybody goes.

away

peace

"I know of a place,

beyond all notions

of right and wrong,

will you meet me there?" Rumi

"You are a song, a wished-for song,

Move to the center, towards sky and wind,

Towards silent knowing." Rumi

So where's L7? Where isn't it?

Standing behind a lawnmower,

I'll be there! Keith

Hi,

I have written an online presentation in honour of Deepak Chopra's inspiration on Peace and how to defeat or overcome suffering in the world. I hope it makes a little bit of a difference to someone.

Please visit www.drdeepchop.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
or click on my name Simon_freejohn below for the link to the presentation. (Please allow about 3 minutes on braodband for the Movie and the Audio to download and then refresh for best effect).

I hope you like it Love Simon xx xx

I think I am on Level #6.

Kindly take time to come over to my blog and read my "Preface" and "18 Poems" that you will find on my sidebar. Those 19 compositions are a message I wish to share with the world at large, and with anyone who wishes to get out of worldly misery.

The rest of the articles in my archives and main page are a mere attempt at prosaic explanations. But as it has been written here, it is very difficult to communicate this experience.

Kindly read the compositions I have mentioned above. Also, I wish to end this journey. Please advise: How does one go from #6 to #7 ?