Intent - May 06, 2006
Desh Kapoor blogs at www.Drishtikone.com .
Open Source Spirituality
What is it?
Open Source is a movement primarily concentrated in technology that has used Internet as a foundational platform for people often unrelated who collaborate and contribute to create tools and products that were hitherto outcomes of large enterprises. Not all products have been error-free and robust but the contributions have helped bring a new wave of innovations and often destructive technologies.
There are two essential components of the classic Open Source movement:
i. Though many players work - everyone is a contributor and no one is an owner;
ii. Since no one is an owner there is no one who can claim ownership rights for the final product.
Open Source Spirituality is about open, free and selfless contributions without the urge by the preachers and Gurus to "patent" a method/teaching/idea as his/her own, such that a "Wikipedia of Spiritual Content and Substance" can come about and grows and blossoms on its own. No one may need to call a path his/her own or the only one and everyone is a mere contributor.
There maybe many contributors of equal rights, powers, and intellect.
Not every thing may be complimentary, but one idea may be able to reside together with diametrically opposite viewpoints on the sheer strength of lack of sponsorship! When there is no one to back up an idea as his or her own, there is no other idea that can cause conflict with it! They both co-exist.
We need to come to the realization that Ideas never conflict, people do. If Prophet Mohammad had provided his ideas and then washed his hands off them saying that I do not care if you think what I say is more important or more worthwhile than what Mr. Christ said a few hundred years back - there would be no conflict!
Ideas stand on the crutches of Human Ego. Religions are no different.
Parsing the Spiritual Frameworks?
To any system, enterprise, undertaking and organization there are two parts to existence - Framework and Substance.
The Prophets, Masters and Gurus have concentrated on the Substance and substance only and failed to utilize the Framework of the Unframed Creativity despite saying that they do not encourage a rigid Framework. The issue, however, is that Substance articulated as an owner as opposed to a contributor creates its own irreplaceable and unchanging Framework, specially when it comes from an Enlightened Master.
If, on the other hand, the Prophets/Masters/Gurus were content to simply use the Abundant Ambiguity of the Creation with the conviction that the Universal Consciousness in even the uninitiated will articulate as well and as loud as in Him/Her, we will probably have a society full of quiet but Enlightened Masters and Prophets because, then, that Unframed Framework maybe able provide a topography for exploration by every soul as opposed to a sedentary fulfilled belief called Faith which exerts itself as the absence of motivation to experiencing as opposed to believing.
Everyone will, in that case, be able to Own and Experience His/Her own Spiritual Light rather than live in reflected and borrowed rays.
To work with Unframed Ambiguity and yet leave without any Framework requires a Master who does not have an ego - an ego that is often expressed through His/Her urge to preach and propogate and uplift; which is where the Mohammads, Buddhas and Jesuses have failed consistently and spectacularly!!
The Efforts to Uplift mankind have singularly been mankind's worst failures! They have tethered the rest of the humankind, constituted of "followers" or "believers" to an existence of mere mortals and get progressively boxed into more and more claustrophobic compartments, as opposed to setting the Universal Spirit free to find its level through experimentation and exploration.
Lack of belief in the Inherent Ability of a soul.. any and every Soul to "wake up" on its own is foundational to the act of preaching! The conclusion that one needs to help starts with the basic assumption that the "other" is in need of help! When everything is One and Infinite Universal Consciousness, then who needs help from whom?? It is no surprise, therefore, that "Faith" is touted as the first step in the spiritual journey by the Gurus and Prophets.
How is it that the very Enlightened Soulswho preach Oneness of Consciousness go further on to provide straitjackets of codes of conduct as if that same One is weak enough in those souls to blossom on its own?
Yet, despite their great self belief (and doubts about others' souls to blossom without help) the Masters/Gurus/Prophets have very little, if any, permanent progress to show for their efforts. Can we categorically say that world today is happier and Spiritually better off (not as in religion because Religions have a crude Stone-age vintage barometer - that of the numbers of followers to measure success with - Islam is the fastest growing religion or Asia is the next frontier for Christianity they say!) than it was before Jesus or Buddha set foot on this planet? I am not talking about the planes, computers and the science - but Happiness and Spirituality.
To grasp the dynamics of Good and Evil and the attempts to eliminate the Evil as well as the utter failure of such efforts throughout History, we need to properly distinguish between Equality and Equilibrium. At the origin of creation, as is the bedrock of the Space Theories, there was perfect Symmetrical Energy Form that had no manifestation or articulation - Perfect Equality. However, the chaos of Big Bang manifested the creation. Equality was the original state. Once that was disturbed, the only way to sustain the creation was Equilibrium. Good and Evil, Yin and Yang, Positive and Negative sustain each other! The pendulum can move on one side for only so long. For the creation to be sustained, it will resume its return journey before long. The only other scenario possible, therefore, other than equilibrium is equality, but that state of equality will preclude the creation as we know it. So, though the Masters, Prophets, and Gurus were working towards a noble goal, it was destined for failure within the confines of this creation!
It is interesting that the very reason why most Masters started on the endeavor to chart a new path was to get rid of the strangleholds in the existing ones. Buddha and Guru Nanak, for example, just like all others, had the same thought underlying their philosophy. They were Reformers first and Masters later. The truth is that there is NO Reform possible by creating another Path! Creating another line on a white paper that is longer or straighter than the one already marked out on the paper, does not in any way improve the existing one. We just end up creating another one. Soon every artist desirous of charting a "new" path, leaves a line such that the white space where the Universal could have expressed it self, is littered with just dark, opaque marks. While preaching the nobility of erasing the existing line, they - one after another and unfailingly without drawing any lessons from history of earlier artists kept creating new ones!!
Spirit now finds itself smothered in the magnanimity of the Reformers and the Enlightened!
Historical Verity*
Most Masters agree that accepting the distinction of being Me - just simply a Human Being (or any being for that matter) leads to the separation of that Soul from the Universal Whole and dissolution of this distinction results in the Merger - then how can more distinctions within the realm of Human Existence be any path to Freedom? Our primary struggle, therefore, now lies in becoming just Human Beings again - without any categories that is! Only then, can we, move ahead to dissolve that last barrier to Freedom!
For the Souls to be free - the Universal Unframed Framework sans any Substantive content needs to be opened up and used - and for that to be possible the existing self-obsessed structures which have been so far dictated by their substance need to be comprehensively deconstructed.
If we cannot dissolve self-made, external structures; dissolution of our internal ego-structures is well nigh impossible!
My Intention for the future is best expressed by this poet:
Safa-e-hasti kar raha hoon;
Ek badi umeed par.
Ki benishaan ho loon;
To kuch naamo-nishaan paida ho.
- Author Unknown to me
(I am dissoving my person;
with this great intent.
That I may remain no more;
So a new existence could emerge!)
* With Apologies to Sri Bal Gangadhar Tilak
(i write at drishtikone.com and desicritics.org . a poem by my sister, Anu, I liked "The Light" . Verses on "Her" - my eternal beloved)
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Posted by Intent at May 6, 2006 12:00 PM
Wonderful thoughts Desh!! Lovely poems, thanks for adding them too.
I am awake!
North
Thank you Desh, great post!
Thanks Joaqin, North, and Murali!
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
Hi Desh,
Wow. It looks like you put a lot of work into that. I appreciate the amount of thought that must have gone into it.
There are, however, a lot of problems with it. More than I can cover in one post.
First, let me state that because I do not know you, nor has your weekly intent revealed any personal antidotes or such, I assume you are a reasonable fellow. Your post at least indicates you like to reason and have stimulatimng discussion.
Therefore, I have no issues or conflict with you.
However, I have ideas which conflict with the ideas in your post.
In other words, it is the ideas which are in conflict, not you and I as people.
I can accept the idea that ideas aren't really owned. You have put forth a concept of Open Source Spirituality which indicates that you do not want to be an owner of the concept. Fair enough.
But it is not correct to say that because there is no owner of the idea(s) of Open Source spirituality that it (they) cannot therefore conflict with any other ideas.
For example, the idea that white people are superior to black people could said to be in conflict with the idea that all people are created equal, or in conflict with the scientific evidence that there is no genetic foundation for white people superiority.
Now, I do not know who created or owns either the idea of white superiority or the inferiority of blacks, therefore I cannot be in a conflict with the person who created one of those ideas.
We could mince words and say the idea of equality "contradicts" the idea of superiority onstead of "conflicts". That would seem a rather weak defense.
Or perhaps you define conflict in such a way that it must be two living beings engaged in a physical struggle.
But Webster's Dictionary gives this as one of the meanings for the word "conflict":
2 a : competitive or opposing action of incompatibles : antagonistic state or action (as of divergent IDEAS, interests, or persons) b : mental struggle resulting from incompatible or opposing needs, drives, wishes, or external or internal demands
So ideas can conflict even when people who have opposing ideas do not personally conflict.
In fact, conflict of ideas is a primary way in which people have sought to improve their ideas, by throwing ideas into the public arena to be batted around, hopefully resulting in better ideas.
Since you have referenced Open Source software development, I would also state that programs can certainly conflict with each other even when the owners of the programs do not. Anyone who owns a computer knows it happens all the time.
I am also baffled as to why you would seek to end all conflicts of ideas, since that has been a great source of evolution and growth throughout history.
And that is my feedback on only the very first point that you made...
Truthfully, I feel like you are a fine intelligent guy, but that was a tedious read for me, and I don't really even know if I have the desire to actually slog through all idea conflicts I see in your post.
But you are earnestly working hard to understand many things, and I applaud you for that.
Desh,
Hello! Thank you for letting us join you today.
May I ask a question, or two? It is difficult to
communicate with words that have different meanings,
"Ego" is one such symbol.
Is ego defined as your center, your "normal"
state when you are awake? A certain brain wave?
A "Central Command Center"?
Or is "Ego" a place wherein pride, prejudice
and selfishness reside? Mother Nature's self-security
device, propogated by natural selection to promote
the survival of the species?
What does it have to do in relation to the "soul"?
"Spirit"? Character? Personality or Personna?
Once I went out camping, alone, to see just how
many "Me's" there were. With no one else around,
I had no reason not to be my simplest self, no
one to "show off" to, no one to "preach to", nothing
to prove.
Something makes me repell at the notion of
"bashing the Ego", if the "Ego" itself, is the one
doing "the bashing".
Can the "Ego" be destroyed if it can "con" you
into "knowing", and what is the "natural" way to
"be myself"?
So many questions...sorry. Can you symetrically
enlighten me? A beautiful wish...with words, Keith
Yogi:
I believe its ok if two ideas contradict each other.. they create "conflict" when a "judgment" is drawn with relationship to both of them. Otherwise, the idea that best suits the people and they find resonance with.. .gains currency. X says Whites are superior.. Y says Blacks are better.. and Z says All are equal... the potential for "conflict" to occur will only be there - if X, Y, and Z associate with the idea and its origin personally.. otherwise they would realize that they are they hold just different views. No more and no less.
Cheers,
Desh
Hi Desh,
Thanks very much for sharing your vision. What resonates with me in what I hear you saying is the need to awaken the master within each of us. And I do believe in that possibility - and necessity at this stage of our evolution.
However, I do think that we all need a bit of help from time to time - and that another KEY is that although our individual path, transformation and awakening is deeply personal, it is also universal. What I mean is that what we do need is EACH OTHER. We can't take the leap in evolution that we need in order to create an awakened and more compassionate world (thus saving this one from eventual destruction) unless we proceed TOGETHER.
Thanks again for sharing. I love your intent. To let go of the personal self so a new world may emerge...
Love, Kristin
Aloha Desh
I agree matching junk transcends into matching allurement. Conflicts work for us if we ask for another view. The world is inside when we shift from: Why me? to Why not me? All communication carries us within to I am that I am. Mahalo for your thoughts:) love patty
Dear Desh,
So, the moral of this "Open source" story is that Linux is better than Windows?
LOL. Just kidding. Having known you for many months, there is no doubt in my mind that you are the owner of a sharp mind, but you gotta incorporate more of the K.I.S.S principle in your writings.
Cheers!
Navin
Desh :
You have done a wonderful job ...you site has so much information ...amazing .
Keep it up.
Sheela
Desh - ".....an ego that is often expressed through His/Her urge to preach and propogate and uplift; which is where the Mohammads, Buddhas and Jesuses have failed consistently and spectacularly"
Anything - tangible or intangible - left behind without attention is bound to deteriorate.
Very enlightened post ... I really like this concept. Thank you Admin for sharing it. Love, Char
Thanks all for your comments!
Keith:
You have asked some very useful questions.. honestly I need to find the same answers as you have ... I can only begin to say what I have thought.. but that would be nowhere near the truth.. for it will need to be experienced only!
Kristin
"However, I do think that we all need a bit of help from time to time "
Thats what we have been told! Thats what I meant when I say: "Spirit now finds itself smothered in the magnanimity of the Reformers and the Enlightened!"
You and I struggle.. but struggle does not mean that we cant do it! Even if we cannot do it.. thats fine... failure of the creation to not undo itself is also the failure of the creator who manifested it in the first place!! Those who can transcend the "boundary" now - are just the ones who "escape" the "worldly pain" right away.. those souls who cant... ust endure more.. until they too are one with the One.. forcibly or through their own effort.
"We can't take the leap in evolution that we need in order to create an awakened and more compassionate world (thus saving this one from eventual destruction) unless we proceed TOGETHER"
None of us is responsible for the other .. when all are One!! In the same vein... no one can help us to get there too! And further... when we do "get it" we would see we all were One anyways... so the consciousness that awoke in "my" soul got awoken in everyone else's too!! But by "giving the formula" to others - I have made them slaved to the formula as opposed to the "experience"... that is how.. while I "got it" I ensured others remain trapped in their "love" for me through their "Faith" in me!!
thanks patty!!
Navin: Honestly, I still find I can only understand Windows.. I am kinda technically challenged in a techie world!
Hey Sheela!! Thanks, Maam!!
Cheers,
Desh
RKL:
"Anything - tangible or intangible - left behind without attention is bound to deteriorate"
very well said.. but I want to take this argument a bit further... left "behind" whom? If the Master, Prophet or Guru was INDEED Enlightened.... and so Universal Consciousness itself... and so without birth or death.. then "where" did He leave for? And how could He have "left behind" anything??? Was His responsibility ONLY till he was in the Human garb despite being deathless and Love and Knowledge Himself? If He... the Enlightened could not see what would happen due to his remnant words... then WHO CAN????
More than this... EVERY Enlightened being's words.. preachings ... have had the SAME RESULT.. the INCREASE in Ego.. VIOLENCE.. BOXED FAITHS...
..... then HOW MANY "FAILED" Enlightened Beings .. will it take for the NEXT one to realize that what He or She is doing will meet the EXACT SAME FATE????!!
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
Desh -
"None of us is responsible for the other .. when all are One!! " - It is undeniable that at our level of existance (not in a heirachical way), there are differences, before it Becomes a part of the One. And at this level, each part has a responsibility to the rest of It.
" so the consciousness that awoke in "my" soul got awoken in everyone else's too!! But by "giving the formula" to others - I have made them slaved to the formula as opposed to the "experience" - True. And it is ok to chart and describe to others how it was awakened.
Man is a crowd. It is due to the conventional self that we equate ourselves with ideas or formula. That does not mean that they are totally harmful. We do not burn our houses just because there are rats in it.
Desh - Thanks for the reply. How r u doing?
By 'left behind', i did not mean that somebody left behind someone or somthing. If some parts are unattended to, it will or may start to decay. Since it is a part of Oneself, the enlightend ones will feel the pain. When this pain is felt, a deep compassion arises. Then the 'formulae are manifested.'
Still as Budha said "Ananda, you are your own light"
RKL:
"And it is ok to chart and describe to others how it was awakened."
Agreed. Until it is done as a "contributor" to the vast ocean of retrievable knowledge.. but when it is done as the "Owner of THE Truth" - then it does create conflict! That is why I have talked of strength of Unsponsored Idea!
Knowledge is at best an estimation of the Observed! It is a conjecture. Knowledge of Joy is a conjecture or an estimation of Joy, the experience. Similarly, Knowledge of "Truth" is, AT BEST, a CONJECTURE or ESTIMATE of the Truth... to pass it as THE TRUTH... or even any TRUTH is inherent DISHONEST!!
Therefore.. there can be NO ONE WAY.. to Truth.. because ALL the "ways" were merely estimates and conjectures.. therefore everyone provided a PROBABILITY for the adherer to reach the Goal of TRUTH.. NOT a GUARANTEE!!
That is why I hold the those who Preached the Word of Truth as those who failed! Time and Again!!
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
Thanks RKL! Am doing fine... good to discuss this with you!
Hey, i gotta go off to sleep .. need to get up at 3 am and get going somewhere...
Thanks for your comments!
Mallika and other folks at Intent: Thanks for providing me the platform... It is an astonishment all the time that anyone can even find what I have written worthy of reading on a site that is full of great stuff everywhere.. as this post is to such profound writings of Suchitra's and DCs!
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
Desh - "Knowledge is at best an estimation of the Observed! ...............Similarly, Knowledge of "Truth" is, AT BEST, a CONJECTURE or ESTIMATE of the Truth... to pass it as THE TRUTH... or even any TRUTH is inherent DISHONEST!!"
If there is no difference between the oberver and the observed, then this position of estimation become meaningless.
Desh,
The air is clearing. We agree on this, that any
"faith" you have, should be based on personal experience.
Although whatever you take away from that experience,
may be of no value to others.
And maybe this? Some people may be pre-disposed
to discipleship, like "a good soldier", while others
may be congenitally aligned towards "Captain".
Will we ever need another "Braveheart"? "Ghandi"?
I still wonder, if given the chance, what level
or core qualities we might look for in our elected
civil servants, for those of us who have a choice
in a mock-democratic society.
If we found such a leader, would we follow and
support them, could we establish their trustworthiness?
This is a tough crowd to please, we don't need
leaders, don't want followers...yet we all still
have "needs" and "wants", politics suck!
RKL:
You are right.. so until there is a difference between the Observer and the Observed .. the Knowledge that the Observer has of the Observed is but, an estimation. So, to "preach" out about what you are experiencing still makes that description as a "subject" describes an "object"..... When a Joyful person explains Joy.. he is still giving out an "estimation" of what it was that he experienced. Not everyone will feel/react the same when they are "Joyful"!
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
Keith:
Thanks!
The point about looking for "the True Master or Leader" is a facetious one in my eyes.
We are told.. you will get the Truth.. ONLY at the feets of a True Master!!
But True is an adjective of the Noun called Truth!
How can I find a Yellow Room .. when I dont know what Yellow is?
Isnt it, what is knownin Excel sheets, as "Circular Logic"?
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
Desh - Good nite!
"When a Joyful person explains Joy.. he is still giving out an "estimation" of what it was that he experienced"
It is due to the inherent inability of languages, that he is giving out the estimation - another deficiency of human faculties and not his inability. However, there are other ways of 'communication', by which the 'Joy' is conveyed.
Dear Desh
If the idea in itself involves “conflict” how can it be free of conflict? I believe most ideas if not all ideas involve difference of opinions leading to different levels of conflict.
1. Agreement reached by non-peaceful methods
2. Peaceful-disagreement
3. Non-peaceful disagreement.
When there is separation, differences arise and this leads to conflict. When I say I and you, there is a separation. When I say, you are my wife I am your husband, there is separation. When I state my religion or region or culture there is separation.
An idea which influences human actions is will never be free of conflicts between people. Conflict of ideas which hold importance to material existence of a man will lead to conflict between people.
“If Prophet Mohammad had provided his ideas and then washed his hands off them saying that I do not care if you think what I say is more important or more worthwhile than what Mr. Christ said a few hundred years back - there would be no conflict.”
-Desh
I don’t agree with the above statement by Desh. It is wishful thinking and hindsight bias.
The idea expressed by Prophet Mohammed and Jesus is inherently same. They don’t claim any copyright for it. It is a message of god, the one and for every one to be one.
Yes, Prophet Mohammed washed his hands off his ideas by saying that the ideas are those of god and he is a mere messenger. And yes, his ideas accepted Mr. Christ as a Prophet. And there is conflict.
What created the conflict are the differences, material needs and interpretations. People not following the ideas expressed by the enlightened men. Ideas are not be blamed nor do the people who conveyed them.
Not only there is separation in religions, separation within religions, separation based on ideologies, based on nationalities, separation within separation endlessly down to the birth of a baby who is different from his/her parent. Differences are the root of conflicts of different levels driven by needs of human existence.
Why apologies to Sri Bal Gangadhar Tilak when you posted the comments intentionally?
If you think that your opinions are subjective and biased in regards to the freedom fighter why post them? If not, take back your apologies.
If you think it is respect, or courtesy or someting else it is actually pure hypocrisy.
UG
RKL:
"It is due to the inherent inability of languages, that he is giving out the estimation - another deficiency of human faculties and not his inability. However, there are other ways of 'communication', by which the 'Joy' is conveyed."
Precisely! So the "Word" can by its very Nature can never be THE Truth! Only the experience that LED to the 'Word" was. Then why the insistence for the adherers and followers to "follow" the "Word" which by definition can never be "THE Truth" but a mere estimation!
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
Desh - Shall I say that 'word' here acts like a pointer only?
As you may know, there were/are great discussions about the differences between the 'names' and 'named'. It is only thru contemplation that we understand the 'named' and not by repeating (following) the names.
Hi Desh, your post is very good. I had to read it twice to understand it. It is beautiful. I especially liked,"Ideas never conflict but people do", and "Our primary struggle therefore now lies in becoming just Human beings again without any categories that is". Thank you. God bless.
RKL: Agree with evert word of yours! "Word" is a pointer. no more and no less. That is all a Guru/Master/Prophet can possibly do - point to a direction.. not take us there.. to get to a point - we need to chart our own path... find our own way!
Thanks Geeta! I worried if someone like you had to read twice - then probably I didnt keep it very simple ... as Navin pointed out .. did I? :-)
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
Desh, I sometimes read Deepak's post 3 or 4 times before I understand it. It is not your fault or Deepak's, It is my fault. I am a dimwit. Your writing is beautiful just the way it is, your own distinctive style, don't change a thing. God bless.
Desh-
"All that is left
to us by tradition
is mere words.
It is up to us
to find out what they mean." - By Ibn Arabi
Hi Desh,
Good work. I had to read your post couple of times before I could understand. Thanks for sharing it with me. I really admire you effort & the ability to do something different out of the busy life we all live in.
take care,
Ruchi
Thanks Ruchi and Geeta for the kind words! MY greatest worry was that this piece may hurt some.. so its re-assuring that it was at least useful food-for-thought for some..
RKL - as usual - great advice in poetry! :-)
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
Desh,I visited your site "Drishtikone", and found it very interesting. God bless.
TO - Mr.Desh Kapoor
Interesting attempt, which I dont completely understand. Are you acquainted with late Jiddu Krishnamurthi's life and works? How would you evaluate him in the context of your statements on, say, open source spirituality,or the need to work on a framework of unframed creativity?
Regards
S.Ananthanarayana Sharma
PRM(81-83)
Headquartered presently at a centre of Dravidian Spirituality, Madurai
Dear Ananth,
Hi. A very strange thing caught my eye in your post to Desh, which was this.....
"centre of Dravidian Spirituality, Madurai"
Don't you think this is an oxymoron to have the words "Dravidian" and "Spirituality" next to each other? How can there be such a thing as a "Dravidian Spirituality" or a "Punjabi spirituality" or an "American Spirituality" or a "Hispanic spirituality"! Do you think spirituality is dependant upon region? If it is then, I'm afraid, it isn't spirituality.
I hope you get my point.
Cheers and welcome to the blog!
Navin
He if from there
you are from there
I am from there
I hope you got my point
Hi Ananth:
Yeah I do read J. Krishnamurthi a lot and am a great fan of his. You will find his inspiration in what I think too.. copying, as they say is the best form of flattery...
Navin: Interesting point about "Dravidian Spirituality" ... and if you really see the post above .. THAT was PRECISELY my point.. We have divided .. not just religions (which are basically a lower form of Spiritual pursuit).. but even Spirituality itself!!
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
Dear Desh,
Yep, now I see that you meant exactly what I said to Ananth in your main blog. See, how easy it becomes to understand when things are kept simple. :)
You are absolutely correct that people will try to POSSESS AND OWN any and everything......they don't even leave spirituality.
I think that all the ills of the world are due to the concept of ownership. Somebody owns oil, someone owns grains, someone owns land, somebody owns spirituality.....and so on and so forth. If everybody was just allowed to use nature's bounty equally, the world would be a better place to live in.
Cheers!
Navin
Cheers!
Navin
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Yep, now I see that you meant
Hi Ananth:
Yeah I do read J. Krishnamur
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Dear Ananth,
Hi. A very strange thing cau
TO - Mr.Desh Kapoor
Interesting attempt
Good Morning!