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Why the Healthiest Don't Get Sick

Deepak Chopra - May 12, 2006

The assumption that healthy people are just lucky, have good genes, or practice preventive medicine is actually no more than a half-truth. The healthiest people in our society--meaning those who avoid catastrophic disease and live to old age without major illness--fall into a different profile. With good genes you can expect to add roughly 3 years to your life span, but no one who has lived to 100 ever had a child who lived that long. Likewise, the British aristocracy, who were exposed to the best diet and living conditions in their society for centuries, didn't produce anyone who lived to be 100 until around World War II.

We have a general image, in addition, that a positive outlook on life enhances longevity, but this has never been confirmed. You can be a pessimist and still outlive all the optimists you know. In earlier posts I gave a profile of who gets sick. So far as medicine knows, here is the profile for who doesn't.

--Emotional adaptability is the most important single factor in keeping a person well and living long. Everyone undergoes crises, but people who can bounce back, who look toward the future instead of dwelling on the past, and who demonstrate emotional resilience are the ones who survive best.

--Good coping mechanisms are the key to adaptability. Long-term studies of college students, for example, show that dealing with your psychological issues early on, i.e., in your twenties, is the best preventive of heart attacks, ahead of lowering your cholesterol or even reducing stress.

--Taking control of your life is important. People who feel victimized or out of control are at higher risk for disease.

--Stress reduction: It used to be we thought that stress was a simple matter of "less is better, more is worse." Now we know that individuals react to stress very differently from one another. If you subjectively feel over-stressed, it doesn't matter that the person next to you enjoys the same level and asks for more. Stress levels are too high when you suffer from irregular appetite, sleeplessness, irritability and short temper, fatigue, loss of energy, lack of enthusiasm, chronic headaches, increased cold and flu, back ache, etc. The healthiest people pay attention to these symptoms and correct them, using whatever it takes.

--Feeling loved, wanted, and useful. All three are necessary for optimal health. The healthiest people don't ignore things that deprive them of these positive qualities. In fact, they guide their lives to maximize all three.

This list is short, but there are many things that are significant by their absence.

What the healthiest people don't do is:

--Diet and worry about their weight obsessively.
--Compare their bodies to a false ideal of beauty
--Exercise obsessively.
--Let depression and anxiety go untreated
--Compulsively worry about food, chemicals, toxins, germ exposure, etc.
--Worry about growing old.
--Visit the doctor all the time.
--Allow dysfunctional or abusive relationships to continue.
--Become dependent on prescription medications.

If someone were to come to me for a physical, I'd certainly comply, but before they left I would do everything possible to put them on the right track to optimal health, which has little to do with doctors and everything to do with self-awareness and balance.
Love,
Deepak

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Posted by Deepak Chopra at May 12, 2006 07:28 AM

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Dear Deepak,
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and wisdom.

Love,
Venky

Speaking of 'depression and anxiety go[ing] untreated' . . .

Not being a doctor myself Dr. Chopra, do you think antidepressants, or, anti-anxiety drugs, are actually good for people?

Should I be telling, a cutter, a thirteen-year-young girl, those type of drugs are 'stupid'?

And should I be trying to 'feed' her Plato, Blackburn, & Rousseau, and politics, and the 'big question' stuff, coming from my extreme 'left-wing' position like I do . . .

I do not know if you ever have the time, or the interest to ever reads these threads,

but on this one I would surely love your advice!

And I am not even asking you the rhetorical question if I am just stupid.

Peace and love sir; thank you

Craig

Not that I actually say 'those drugs you are taking are stupid', but,

I certainly do not promote their 'beneficial' effects . . .

peace

yes!, that and the magic potions in 2006 would be..;)
1. Fishoil, DHA, jammie!.., not really, but it's good for you!
2. Aloe Vera,
3. My grandmothers Garlic/Spirit stuff
4. I haven't started that Alkaline green stuff, but I sure gonna!
;)
With Love, Passion!

do you think antidepressants, or, anti-anxiety drugs, are actually good for people?
Posted by Craig

Craig, buddy,
30 min. of excersise works more magic on your brainchemistry than all that serotonine re-uptakers/benzodiazepams combined, not mentioning
all the other, good brainstuff as GH, testosteron,
and so on,

I'm not kiddin' ask the doctor, ;)

if I wouldn't do my 'hour of power' in the gym, I would be depressed as only a Valium megadose would make you, by the absence of girls wearing skirts and dresses in the Dutch country!

seriously,
cincerly,
with,
Love, Passion!
Ps. what you focus on, your attention, is also,
as much, conditioning, as that what you do not..;)

I feel as you do Marek,

but now I am talking about a smart young lady, and having failed my own children,

I do not want to screw up her head any more than I possibly already do with my down with capitalism 'stuff' you know . . .

you lucky dog you, over there with all those free-thinking Dutch ladies . . .

peace bro and nice to finally talk with you yet again

how r those gas prices over there by the way . . .

peace

Deepak:

Thanks so much for the 'stuff' you've been posting lately. The mind-body connectedness, and spirituality is why I came to this site last summer. I think you and Wayne Dyer have it nailed on these subjects.....I wish you guys would have a one week seminar together...I'd come if I had to sell one of my kids to get there!!! Just joking about that....I wouldn't sell my kids for anything! But I would come and listen.

I blew my stack so much when you posted your political ideas, (and probably will again!!) but in fairness wanted you to know I love what you've been doing lately.

I hope wherever you are....you're having a great day!!!

norm

ps...marek, that green stuff....phewwww!!! it's pretty potent!! I'm a Tony Robbins and Bob Proctor fan also.....

Aloha Deepak

I don't think living to a hundred is that big of a thing. It is the quality of life not the quantity. The place where I have a couple of Clients that are in their 90’s there are a couple of residents who are in their 100’s and it is not a picnic for them. I think know we all have enough knowledge where we can be like a cockroach and survive. It is how do you want to survive and your belief what happens if I don’t. Do I just keep repeating this life in acquiring titles till I self realize I am God playing man not man playing God? Life is about showing up and asking what can I do to help. And to do that is living in a untangled universe.

Love patty

Hey David...wonder what Bagwad's gonna do to this post of Deepaks?? I have to admit...he's about the first one I've seen that's pierced your veil of goodwill!! I almost think you'd smack him if you saw him in person!

Craig....I'm drawn to your posts for some reason. Have you ever watched Forest Gump? If so, I think you need to take a run like he did. About 2 years worth.....totally clear your head, and then take that vast knowledge and intellect of yours and put it to good use. I don't mean to insult you with that....I mean to complement you. You're one of the great minds on here, but life has dealt you some blows, and as a result you see thru dark glasses.....capitalistic or not, it's one big, beautiful country out there, and people of both political persuasions, atheists, christians, new agers, and what have you....really care about each other and the world they live in. Turn off CNN, and Fox News, and Chris Matthews....and turn on Route 66...and National Road, and I75.....and you'll know there is hope in the world man!! Sometimes we all get caught up in the political BS, but it really doesn't make a lot of difference whether it's Kerry, or Clinton or Bush or whomever in Washington....it's the people across this vast and beautiful country who make it what it is. Sometimes I wanna come to Washington, get you in a headlock, (I'm big enough to do it!!) and say come on buddy let's go for a two month ride...and show you...It's really OK!! We'll stop by Colorado and pick up David just for fun! I'd probably have to gag y'all though...two liberal intellectuals ganging up on poor lil ole me!!

Anyway...just my thoughts for today...hope everyone is well and happy!!

norm

Whatever the cause or reason for a person's illness, the age-process shows us; that our mind is stronger than the human body, and always outlives it's capsule(body.)

Take a plant, for instance. If it isn't watered, it withers and dies. So too, for our body.

It is proven, that if we praise, with talk and music to a plant-it will grow faster and stronger, fuller and deeper coloured.

Same can be said for the human body.

IF I took a white rose, placed it into a glass of water, it would survive a few days; then wither and die; regardless of the water, it also needs the soil, and everything in it, to sustain it's life longer(notice I didn't say, forever?)

Now, If I took a glass of clear water, and added a few drops of orange food colouring; then added the rose into it; the rose would turn orange! When the rose is removed, it eventually returns to white. This can be done with any colour added..want blue roses? add blue colouring : )

INFLUENCE - cause by outside factors which influence life, is just not studied enough.

Ok, take a person. He/she is happy, working, has children, love and all the good things in life. Their rose stays white.

Take another person. He/she is happy, working, has children, love and all the good things in life. But, one day - an influence changes that.

A colour(influence) is added, which changes thier every fibre(like the coloured rose.)

Who/what/where/why/when-did the person "choose" to be "influenced"(coloured) by this outside source?

When plucked, became the white rose - and was put into a glass with orange colouring in it-did it want to be plucked and turned orange?

Who/What/Where/Why/When - did the "influence" come from? What makes us think, we are much different than the rose?

North

Norm,

If you could only see me smiliing right now . . .,
I hear you loud and clear brother!

As a matter of fact I am going to take a couple of mile walk right now to the Auburn post office and put in my change of address;

I was thinking if I didn't those student loan and child support bills would just go away, but, well, we know better than that . . .

I have no problem with being held accountable for child support, that is all good, but the education should be free, for all of us!

Anyway. Again, thank you Norm for the happy thoughts, maybe now I will just fly down to the post office.

Have a great day man!

peace

Norm, that is exactly what Craig could use!

Sometimes Norm, that is exaclty what can change a life "forever." A caring road trip! Up here in north country-the boys go on camping trips in the wilds of dense forest surrounding us. They hunt, fish, swim and talk, sing & dance around bone-fires!

WHO will "show Craig" life is beautiful outside his difficult life?

I don't mean to talk on you like you are a third person Craig; but, you know I think you are the cat's "meow" and I care about your happiness!

I think, a trip like this Craig; would inspire and kick-start your heart and mind/soul; into your "next stage."

I wish I could take you on a road-trip; but, I am not a brother, I'm a sister; and as such, that's my heart to heart talk to ya-because my fishing and hunting days are over!(still got my bow and 4 arrows though!)

Norm, I'm glad you and most here, see the greatness of Craig too. I wish Craig could see himself too-the way we do.

North

Dear Craig, you can apply to have your support payments lowered. My ex had to do this many years ago; it made him feel bad; but, the high support payments were making him live poorer than the poor, even though he worked 40+ hour weeks!

I've fought with Disability when they want to keep raising his payments! I told them NO! He is a human being, and must live and eat too! Geez!

RE: Student Loans-can you apply for a loan extension, interest-relief fund? Mine are in default too, so I hear ya; as they can be pretty brutal, name-call; and bring a person right down.

Keep a smile in your heart Craig-others see it, and smile back(wink.)

rain, rain go away
-come at night;
so I can go out and play!

Yeah-raining today-doing laundry, making cards-wishing I had a maid to wash all my walls-I am not bored-I am not bored-I am not bored. : )

North

How does self-awareness and balance helps those who have inherited uncurable diseases due to genes or heredity?

..I do not want to screw up her head any more than I possibly already do..'

you lucky dog you, over there with all those free-thinking Dutch ladies . . .

how r those gas prices over there by the way . . .

Craig, my friend,
No worse thing, than an over-emancipated conditioned bundle of Dutch female self-absorption, that and I kick ass in the Dojo, but the masculinity of the females aqui scare the living starlights out of me! I'm not kiddin'! that and the old-fashioned home made art of piebaking..., you gotta move East! Poland, Tsjech, Slowakia, Ukraine..that's where...Jammie!

The gas prices?
http://www.aaroadwatch.ie/eupetrolprices/

I was talking to some exchange students about carprices, did you know that a beemer new in Holland costs twice as much as over the Atlantic?
while Bavaria is so much closer..;)

You gotta love the Dutch taxes..the queen does..

now, back to that first one,
Trust me buddy, it's a NLP thing, you cannot
'screw up' a female mind, because, that's most often a contradictio in terminus, since, your mind, thinks of logic..;)

that and, just like united consumers, we, the weaker sexe, gotta get, you know, stand up as a man, against, the suppressing female psyche,

unless, she can dance, the English Waltz, but that's a whole different..;)

Love, Passion, read something about emotional freedom,


First, Why People Get Sick
Now, Why the Healthiest Don't Get Sick
Two months ago, Does God Have a Future

Dear Enlightened Folks on the Spiritual Paths, living in the Fields of Consciousness in the Mystic Land,

I will be on a vacation for a week and will have no access to Internet to enlighten you in the meanwhile. I hope you are not fully enlightened by the time I am back. So please continue singing your hymns of praise, do not get sick and remain healthy, as I cannot enlighten the dead by raising them from their graves or cremation grounds. Let me know if you are fully in peace with your guru and god after one week, so that I do not make an attempt to awaken you from your blessed stupor.

We shall do our best, to not, get slammend by the windmile, dear Yogi, as the Dutch proverb..;)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=netherlands

anyhow, where is your recreational path taking,
your enlightened spirit ? ;) or was it the other way...

Are we gonna be allowed to see the honeys on a Blog soon?

With,
Love, Passion! and a smile,

Great question, Arif and one, I"ve been trying to get answered for years!

Apparently, the bacteria which made my stomach go atrophic gastritis; was begotten in me, as a baby/toddler!!

It came out of me when I were 42. I've had this seven years now, living 2 years past expected mortality--and docs "wait" for me to develope cancer, so they can take my stomach out. I asked it be removed over four years ago as a preventative measure to cancer and intestinal metaplasia(typo?)

I have glaucoma-which is linked to helicobacter pylori too, which developed four years ago.

Why did this bacteria take almost fifty years, to come out? DID I wish for it, at my birth-to come out at age: 42 when I was on top of the world?

I think-this hypothesis is incorrect and far-reaching for "proof of existance of disease" and fails to identify outside influential factors.

North

Hey Bhagwan Bogiraj,

You sound like a very angry old man! Why do u keep attacking Deepak?

Why are you so bitter, old man? Are you that upset that you are not getting enough respect? Haha!

Make sure u dont get lost in that jungle while u are away! Look out for hungry cayotes!

Wow--definitely food for thought.
There are always exceptions to these rules, though. People who drink excessively most of their life, eat poorly, smoke, and live into their nineties. Maybe in that case, it is just pure stubborness that brings about longevity?
I think a lot of the criteria on Deepak's list make a lot of sense, though. There is something about obssessing about one's health, dieting, exercise, etc. (three things that Deepak mentioned) that seems to bring about an adverse effect.

Does Deepak’s theory explain why do children born to an under-25 mother had double the odds of living to 100 and beyond compared to offspring of women who delivered at a later age as reported in an article I read in Msn Health and Fitness? (A known fact backed by US Gov Senses on Centenarians.)

BIOLOGICAL THEORY: that maybe the eggs are different in their quality, and the best ones, the most vigorous eggs, go first to fertilization."
GERM THEORY: Young moms haven't had time to pick up the latent, chronic infections that might in some way impede the long-term health of their offspring. This might interfere with normal development. When the children are born they are superficially healthy but maybe they are not really strong enough to survive to 100."


The development of a fetus in a mother’s womb has long term effects too, which might account for healthy people in the latter stages of life.


The Evidence

With good genes you can expect to add roughly 3 years to your life span, but no one who has lived to 100 ever had a child who lived that long.

This is a very general statement. Is it 3/100 or 3/average age? And how can one define good genes? How can one be so confident that no one EVER had something? (Isn’t this talking in extremes to support one’s views?) .

Likewise, the British aristocracy, who were exposed to the best diet and living conditions in their society for centuries, didn't produce anyone who lived to be 100 until around World War II.

Isn’t the above statement generalizing to everyone without considering other factors like disease, nutrition and time periods where the odds of reaching 100 are very less? Can you recollect any historical figure that lived more than 100?

As nutrition and health care continue to improve, so too does the number of people whose live more than 100 years

To have the statistical evidence from couple of 100 years ago is difficult. So to base a theory on what we don’t and generalizing to current times and to the whole population in general is distorting the reality.
The motivation seems to be to undermine the role DNA plays by having a BELIEF OVERKILL and EVIDENCE OVERKILL.

To accept the positive opinions from a spiritual point of view is good for mind and body but to accept them because they are backed by biased evidences and distorted views is to insult the wisdom of rational thinking and process of questioning with a scientific temper.

Arif, your line of questioning is right. Scientific temper.

North, your are a case in point about germ based external effects theory which I have mentioned in my previous comment.

Probably it is the self full filling prophecy of a toddler, because as a toddler you wanted it to show up after 40 years( if you were to beleive the theories) Just being sarcastic.

Dear UG

It'd be interesting to find out if accumulated stress in older mothers has any effect on fewer long-lived offspring. Do older mothers have higher base stress hormone levels? Do older mothers feel more stressed by kids, and absorb less of their kids' stresses as a result -- thus bringing up kids who are less well-equipped to deal with life? Do older mothers show more tense behavior responses, and thus teach their kids, by example, to deal with life in tense ways?

Also, what are the causes of older mothers being older mothers? If this information refers to mothers whose first births came after age X, then what underlying causes are there for the mother waiting so long to have a child? How do those causes affect the health and longevity of such mothers' offspring?

love, Heather

Dulcie, that's possible-at the time I was stricken; I were 42 in taking a 2-year condensed, 1-year college course! whew! Then, I got hit with the bacteria. The thing is, I was happy, handling the workload, being a single mom, blah blah! I was, in my humble opinion-at my best capacity at the time.. so, it is possible, I was driving too hard, too fast without rest? lol well, I'm resting now, aren't I?(wink.)

That's just it, UG, I don't believe in the theory-of self-fullfilled suffering? (wink.) You say, you are just "being sarcastic" so I wanna know, why?(smiles.)

All I know is, one day I was a happy, healthy, energetic-athletic all my life, kind of woman! I loved to work, sweat and earn my dollar, because that's who I am! I was/am Sought after, fought for, and pursued for my womanly charms and beauty(blush.) To confess-I spurn all, because of the illness and it's many complex-related financial and emotional burdens inherently co-existing with suffering.

Today, I am contrary to my former state of "being" and I can confirm without a doubt; that an illness and suffering, was the last thing on my mind at the time(wink) I were -re-educating, had a car, credit, money, men at my door.... me all dancing and prancing before them... (giggles) when this bacteria hit me.

Today, no men at my door-but, I do get them at my PC(wink) and I still spurn their advances, for the same reasons of illness...needless to say, I cna't keep a male friend.

Am I a Fool? -- some say so.
Weird? -- I can argue that point!
Loveable? -- Yes, with a completeness!
Believe in every theory I read? -- Negatory

North

Have a nice vacation Bhagwan Yogiraj and please come back, some of us are enjoying your postings.

We should all question authority, from the priests and gurus to a president who goes to war because God told him so. From someone who promotes mental cutlery warping to the experts who knew exactly where all the weapons of mass destruction were hidden.

Question always, all ways! IT is the only freedom we truly have.

All the answers one needs to know/have, are internally eternal within;

it is in looking elsewhere, we become automatically confined,

suppressed and follow,

rather than lead our own path and/or destiny of self-resurrection and emancipation.

IT is in our own power, to make or break our confines we create(d).

North

Hey Deepak!!

Thank you so much for the information. I will take what i can from your ideas and see what works for me in my life.

All the best!

Ooh i don't know if i ever told you but i visited your new Spa in NYC around January i didn't have a chance to actually experience the spa but i looked around and was given a tour by the girl behind the desk. She apparently is also from Tampa, Florida and use to work at Busch Gardens. Anyway it's a beautiful space.

Dear Heather

I am not sure if there is any statistical study about stress levels of older women in relation to parental care. It would be interesting to know the numbers. But, there are enough studies to show that human longevity above 100 years may include birth order, place of birth and early-life living conditions.


Less attention being paid to the health and safety of later born children may result in a higher risk of infections and malnutrition during early childhood.


Farming communities where fresh food(not processed food) is available tend to produce more people above 100.

OLDER WOMEN BY AGE and FIRST TIME MOMS

The longevity of children born to mothers who are postpone first pregnancy to their 30's or 40's have a greater chances of survival than older generations of their DNA lines because of the advancements in diet and health care.


My belief is stress and illness goes hand in hand. There is no direct causation where one leads to other from their early manifestations. Nutrition and Health care are indicators and have a direct correlation to longetivity in age.

People living to age 100 and beyond represent one of the fastest growing age groups of the American population which is increasing at a rate of about 4.1 percent each year(According to a study Society of Actuarities SOA). Well, is this because of reduced stress levels or improved nutrition and health care? Stress is present through out the ages and plays a role(may be more stress levels in the present age) but, certainly nutrition and health care have improved and are good pointers.

Out of point Historical evidence about British Aristocracy or evidence to undermine genealogies which play a major role in current scientific investigations about human longetivity is bias even though the INTENTIONS ARE RIGHT, the methods are DISTORTED AND BIASED.


Dear North

---Probably it is the self full filling prophecy of a toddler, because as a toddler you wanted it to show up after 40 years (if you were to believe the theories) Just being sarcastic.

I was sarcastic about the views/theories expressed previously: People get sick because they want to or they don’t have anything better to do etc. Which some might think (including you when I first commented) that I have taken things out of context and applied it to your situation.

Dear BY

Stay warm!

cheers & love, Heather

Why the Healthiest Don't Get Sick

Here is some insight from the hindsight of “Why People Get sick”:

--The healthiest don’t get sick because they expect not to.

--The healthiest don’t get sick, or sicker, after they are diagnosed with a disease.

--Disease brings certain benefits, known as "secondary gain," that make it positive.
The healthiest don’t care for “secondary gain”. So they don't get sick.

--The healthiest don’t get sick because they do not want to give up, or even die.

--The healthiest have nothing better to do than to remain healthy.

PS: I have no foresight. Only spiritual gurus have it. I had few moments to spare to enlighten the sangat (congregation) in this on going tamasha (weird show).

WHY PEOPLE GET SICK?

I don’t have foresight nor hindsight Still how did we all miss it? Over 100 comments!

But, on ROSY RETROSPECTION,

People get sick because,

-They diet and worry about their weight obsessively.
--Compare their bodies to a false ideal of beauty
--Exercise obsessively.
--Let depression and anxiety go untreated
--Compulsively worry about food, chemicals, toxins, germ exposure, etc.
--Worry about growing old.
--Visit the doctor all the time.
--Allow dysfunctional or abusive relationships to continue.
--Become dependent on prescription medications.

emotional adaptability (according to the last NYT Sunday edition) is genetic and there will soon be a test out to see if you have it or not.

Living as stress free as possible is the best way to live a healthy life. That has books and volumes written about it.

America is a capitalist country and capitalism thrives on cheap labor. Cheap labor never equates to education. Education should be free in any country that wants an educated, low crime population.

Since America doesn't want to change I think we should all relocate the countries that most reflect our values.

As for chemicals/no chemicals medications. Dr. Chopra is after all a Doctor. Trained in Endocrinology and I would imagine that he would not hesitate to perscribe them if he felt that it was necessary.

The Scientology notion of no psychological medications is taken from their fear of government control of a nation of happy faces.

When logic takes back-seat

The driver leaves the steering-wheel

There is no road, there is no bus

Only magic! and the show goes on....

Dear UG

"Less attention being paid to the health and safety of later born children may result in a higher risk of infections and malnutrition during early childhood." -- These are due to increased maternal stress.

"My belief is stress and illness goes hand in hand. There is no direct causation where one leads to other from their early manifestations." -- There may not be a direct correlation between overt illness and stress early on, but systems and organ damage occur early, which prepares the body to exhibit overt illness later. Also, severe (sudden or unbearable) stress can cause a cascade of system failures that will skip illness, resulting in death.

love, Heather

As long as there are enough people

Who believe what I say

However illogical they may sound

I will sell my shoddy goods

I laugh at their gullibility


Join the club. Sorry, you are already there.

Dear hypocrite

You sound quite happy today. I hope you're not sick. ;)

love, Heather

Dear hypocrite

I'm glad to see you're not sick, after all (our comments crossed -- I'd never have teased you had I read comment 35).

love, Heather

Hypocrite,

I've been a lucky dog, so far, knock on wood! What have I done? I started at a young age, always active, hated vegy's but liked fruit.

I joined the "health nut" craze at the age of 20. Eventually it became 2nd nature, but sweets were "rich" and salt was strong. Last time I did blood tests I was low on sodium, no problem.

My cholesterol was beautiful, 10% body fat, B.P. okay, finally needed glasses tho. I'm now 48, worked hard at work, no other excersise seems necessary. I eat a banana and an apple every day,
almond butter and fruit jelly on sprouted grain bread, the best in the world. Cost $5.50 a loaf, weighs 24 oz., comes from Arkansas.

I'm very "regular", my ---- don't stink! Well...my opinion. I drink a lot of water and diet Mountain Dew...and 2-3 beers every night, then I have some ice cream before bed. I'm only a carnivore at supper-time. I love steak and salmon!

So what? Balance maybe? Some good genes, no doubt in my mind. Some believing, that the food I eat is the body of Christ...sorta pantheistic. And allowing "safe haven" for a germ or two if they like the ride, they're here for a reason too. Getting along...with everything and thought in the Universe. My body is smarter than I am, I really appreciate my flesh and blood, so I love it!

Mind, Body and Spirit...I'm a democracy! Keith

1. I wonder: why does one Skeptisch suck up to one Yogiraj? Might we be talking alter egos here? Hmm!

2. I think that other fella from Mumbai should learn diplomacy or simply stay away from this site. He is a small man with an enormously fragile ego, in my estimation! I do not plan on reading anymore of his nasty posts; not good for the high standard of this family-oriented blog! Haha! Huh?

As from Monday I will be following my teacher a seventh stage realiser and enlightened spiritual teacher Rolo Tomassi on a period of spiritual awakening.


This means months of fasting and meditation and other methods of self discovery which include detoxification. detoxification includes visual intoxication, which is what this is before us, the internet.

I will have no access to the internet

no access to television or other forms of visual toxins.

no toxic drinks or foods.

I will know only god again as I have known it before, maybe this time deeper.

it has been a pleasure to participate here on this virtual congregation of so many wonderful folk. And to watch the teachings of Deepak Chopra has been very special to me.


So long

keith,

Your entrance to the garden is free if you bring along a companion.

O! KAY

It is OK to have Naveen Ideas

(Naveen: 'New' in Sanskrit, derived languages are spoken through out
India, including Mumbai)

I SUMMONED him

He is FREE to JOIN

Now he is JONE

So long

Hypocrites,

O.K.? Which one are you? At least your being fun and friendly now...thank You, for whatever it was.

H.P.C. sounds like a girl, a bit. Sorry, I've been known to be WRONG! O.K. has to be a dude, but he just followed Me2 without ???? Wheeeeew...glad that's over!

Jone? Lost me there...but, are you beckoning me?

Hope so! Keith

Thank you Deepak for taking the time to share your vast wisdom and knowledge with so many people. We love you!

Love, Char

Hi UG, I posted a nice long reply to you in response to you; I, like you-used some wit and charm too(wink.)

I posted it, I read it, I saw it posted on the blog. It was here for a few hours; but, NOW, it is MIA; which is about my 4th witty post to disappear this past few weeks!

so, enjoy my newest creation just finished!

http://spiritsinmotion.blogspot.com/

Poof, as I disappear into the mist..

North

North
That is really really weird. I just checked and didnt see it in the system. I will ask our administrator to look into it.
Mallika

Hi Mallika, thanks! could be at my end to, as I had to refresh to get it to post? would that erase?

Have a Blessed Mother's Day Mallika.

North

As from Monday I will be following my teacher a seventh stage realiser and enlightened spiritual teacher Rolo Tomassi on a period of spiritual awakening.

-Simon Free John

Good Luck Simon


I SUMONED him

He is FREE to JOHN

Now he is GONE

I will PAY my debts one day

I shouted along with thousand others:

Go back Simon! Go back Simon!

Remmember the "Simon Comission"

during the freedom struggle in India?

Now I say:

Good Luck Simon! Good Luck Simon!


Why the Healthiest Don’t Get Sick?

The healthiest don’t get sick because they don’t take the field and protest against injustices of the land. If they do, they get stress and attract sickness. They meditate instead.

Dear North

I appreciate your response even though I haven't
read it. I like your designs, the latest and the
others too. Hats Off to your creativity. I haven't
met many artists who work with colors and forms in
my personal life. Whenever I see one, it touches me deep. When I was very young I had the artistic
streak too which somehow abandoned me. Now, I am in a state where appreciating art and experiencing nature is like a distant dream.

Deepak: An extraodinarily practical post--it looks like, from your description of what "healthy people don't do," that my mind and habits are indeed assuming a radically different and stabilizing pattern toward this scenario; rather than the opposite one, which set in type I diabetes at age 30--I'm learning!!!

This piece reminds of the ones you used to do on longevity, like with the South American peoples who live in the mountainous regions around the Patagonia, who acheived healthy lives up to 175+-, where they were runners, with some of the 70-year-olds being able to outrun the twenty-somethings in long distances.....

.....and then what happened when "cable TV and Budwieser beer" were introduced into their society--in one generation!

Much like the Pima Indians of the American Southwest, or any American Indian nation for that matter, once the "white man's ways" took hold.

Great post Deepak--and thanks to the Intentblog for bringing Dr. Amit Goswami back on board!

Bhagwan--again, have a great vacation--and smile for a change--we'll miss you (ahh--that must burn like a branding iron--to be loved and appreciated like that!) Your friend--Dave

Dear friends,
But what are you gonna do with a hundred years? To me, like Patty, it's the quality which matters and not the quantity of years you have on this planet. You can be battling sickness all your life and still live upto or beyond 100.

I would prefer 10 years of mindblowing glory, health & happiness to 70 years of anonymity, sickness & unhappiness, anyday. In most cases, I have seen that people who live beyond 85 or so, end up being dependent on others. If extending your life from 85 to 100 means that you would walk with the help of support, need help even for completing your daily chores, then I don't think anyone should desire those extra 15 years. Either become immortal or die when you are still independent.

Also, after having read various post here, it seems that people seem to think that children born to late mothers (does that include fathers too?) are more likely to have unhealthy babies. I am not sure how true that theory is. For me, if you have become a better (more knowledgable, more understanding, more compassionate, more intelligent, healthier) person with age, then that would automatically mean that the quality of your body cells (including reproductive cells) has improved. So if you become a late father, then you are actually passing on more evolved genes. Of course, there will be peak age within which that will happen too. That peak age can possibly be determined with scientific experiments for both the sexes.

Dear Ok,
If learning diplomacy means writing under a false name, then I would rather die being undiplomatic. You don't even have the courage to write under your real name, you coward! So, who cares whether you intend to read my posts or not!

I have noticed for many months that whenever certain people get into fights here, a few new ids appear from nowhere to try and bring down the opponents.

I have never used false ids to bring down my detractors here on Intentblog, and never will. So, it's you OK who is a "small" man/woman!

Dear Hypocrite,
It's probably too much to ask you to write under your real name.....for I guess, then you wouldn't be a "Hypocrite", would you! ;)

Cheers!
Navin

Navin,

I'm not sure I have any reason to like you...

but for some uncanny, irrational, illogical reason,

I do!

Hope we continue to agree on many things! Peace, Keith


KEigth stage mate you are my buddy

even if you don't like it


I don't remind you of "Peace"

Dear Keith,
If you keep thinking out of the way, you just cannot help but love (and not just like) me.
Here is a classic piece of J. Krishnamoorthy......

"
Memory Negates Love

Is it possible to love without thinking? What do you mean by thinking? Thinking is a response to memories of pain or pleasure. There is no thinking without the residue which incomplete experience leaves. Love is different from emotion and feeling. Love cannot be brought into the field of thought; whereas feeling and emotion can be brought. Love is a flame without smoke, ever fresh, creative, joyous. Such love is dangerous to society, to relationship. So, thought steps in, modifies, guides it, legalizes it, puts it out of danger; then one can live with it. Do you not know that when you love someone, you love the whole of mankind? Do you not know how dangerous it is to love man? Then, there is no barrier, no nationality; then, there is no craving for power and position, and things assume their values. Such a man is a danger to society.

For the being of love, the process of memory must come to an end. Memory comes into being only when experience is not fully, completely understood. Memory is only the residue of experience; it is the result of a challenge which is not fully comprehended. Life is a process of challenge and response. Challenge is always new but the response is ever old. This response, which is conditioning, which is the result of the past, must be understood and not disciplined or condemned away. It means living each day anew, fully and completely. This complete living is possible only when there is love, when your heart is full, not with the words nor with the things made by the mind. Only where there is love, memory ceases; then every movement is a rebirth."

Maybe it is because I act without thinking, I am a danger to the established society.

Cheers!
Navin

Norm: It's been really cool to see you back here, and Intentblogging on an increasingly regular basis.

A road-trip with you and Craig--now that would be interesting--we'd have to keep Gerry Spence and Col. Bo Gritz on call for the occasions where Craig gets frisky to take on the U.S. Gov't (remember Gerry Spence--the great Wyoming trial lawyer who's never lost a case in fifty years, including the U.S. Gov't--with Ruby Ridge; and then Bo Gritz keeps him busy too--he's the most highly decorated military man in U.S. history--or some such recognition for his repeated heroism--and he was so despised by former president G. Bush Sr. for constantly exposing the Bushies for corruption).

Smacking the Bagwhan? There was a time, and I'm back up to 1,500-2,000 push-ups/week, so I get cocky about feeling physically stronger, but.....

.....I've found the Bhagwan to be very poor in his use of logic and reasoning; his personal attacks on Deepak reek with emotional obsession that borders on true insanity, and for those who find his reasoning appealing, it's pretty elementary to "common sense it" regarding the idea of questioning Deepak, or any other "teacher" of his caliber--I think Deepak most definitely wants people to reason out their own conclusions.

I've never once seen Deepak try and put himself on a pedestal of "guru-ship," in fact, I sense he personally despises it, because it seperates him out; and most, if not all, truly developed spiritual persons never accept a stance of superiority for themselves.

Personally speaking, the BY seems only to wish to use his rather lacking reasoning skills to alienate, divide, create doubt, suffocate hope, discredit spiritual realms because he doesn't have a clue about their greater reality, and generally spew misery and discord with no real and meaningful purpose in mind.

For myself, he's been an unwitting tool for me to step back an be the Observer again, regarding my own egotism and corresponding reactiveness, and his intentions towards the Intentblog audience continue to reveal my own "ego blindspots" in areas I had "assumed" I'd already outgrown---hence, his "ilke" can then be very useful as teachers, however unintentionally that may be.

Like I said in a previous post, I recently found one by the Bhagwan that was very sound--I do hope he has a good vacation, and even reconciles whether he might actually be learning something here--again, miracles will never cease.

But then again, the voice behind this most recent of cyber-identities doesn't strike me as the kind who takes vacations--from what--obsession?

Maybe he's just playing us from the thoroughly retarded 'dimwits' he sees us to be, as he has so oft expressed, and he's not really going on vacation, just strategically going into hiding, so he can bring forth yet another "anonymous identity."

.....Or Norm, maybe he works for the Bush administration, and he's a mole for one of internal spy agencies who's "soul intent" is to ferret out rebels like the Intentblog audience consists of--like "The Da Vinci Code," the conspiratorial mysteries deepen with every post!!!!

If we go on a road-trip Norm, it must be obvious to you that we are technically still in a democracy, and Craig and I are going to have to out-vote you on everything, just for drill---and we reserve the right to put you in the trunk, with only a little Crown Royale, if you try and justify the war in Iraq--we might even get you high as a kite, yes, on marijuana--the evil weed--and then dump you off at your church, on Sunday a.m.--the White House security won't let us get near King George's house, so we can't leave you there! Dave

And Norm, couldn't agree with you more about a "Deepak & Wayne" event; and bring 'em all together; Ram Dass (since he's walking again--and he's says it was a Thanksgiving gift for Wayne Dyer!), Louise Hay, Neale Donald Walsh, Marianne Williamson, the whole lot of 'em.

Even just Deepak & Wayne, together, would draw such an incredible level of energy together--what a "wind-ding" that would be!!! See ya--Dave

Navin: What a fabulous excerpt of J. Krishnamoorthy's, and so strategically appropriate and well-timed; I love that you used "the other spelling" of his name! Thank You--Dave

Hi David,
I just remembered how Suchitra spells her name, since she shares her maiden surname with Jiddu, so spelt it that way. No big deal.
Jiddu and Rajneesh have been my Gurus and perhaps have had an influence on the way I think/live.

Cheers!
Navin

Recent changes in my life have been adopted after living in hell for a long long time. And surprise surprise...I am already feeling much healthier and look forward to life... and its challenges.The circumstances haven't changed...what has changed is me and my attitude....acceptance of who u are and taking responsibilty does work wonders! life's still not easy and dont expect it become in the future....but now i have my life in my hands...and hope.

Yo, Simon, have a blast!

I'm planning to do my annual fast at a Yoga camp
later in the Polish summer, that cave meditation,
and nowadays without the wonderfull tools of the internet, just isn't the thing for my Innerchild
Spiritual Path, for as Spirituality, in the final analysis, is the joke behind all jokes, or the secret..behind the Ego..;)

sad, cruel, and vicious at times, (hey, just as the Love Phenomenon..?), but you sure manifested the whole picture show..;)

Bring back some more wisdom than you already have downloaded on that hard drive of yours, and share some!

With Love, Passion!, if you find a spiritual girl in that cave, Simon, be sure to make some pictures, upload 'em through your mobile, on your Blog, because..those myths don't come around to often..;)

I am not a health-care proffessional, but sadly I have lived in a time and a place where most doctors refused to treat persons "like" me, and this during a time of epidemic when thousands were dying every week.
Well, in those circumstances, what are you going to do?
"State of Mind" considerations are pertinent to an individual's physical health. It is but one area where the mind clearly interfaces with the physical. Perhaps the habit of thinking that the mind/spirit and the physical/material exist in separate universes and have nothing to do with each other, or the notion that the spiritual does not "really" exist at all, are opinions which are gravely in error.
My experience has been that there is a close relationship between the state of one's mind and the state of one's physical person, generally along the lines that Deepak has explored above.
Can the state of your mind affect your health, both in the positive as well as the negative? I think it does.
On this I stake my life.
If there is any reader in a poor state of health who would doubt it, please ask the physician who is attending you what they think. You may be surprised by their response if you have assumed there is in the medical world any great disagreement with Dr. Chopra's premise.

Hey Simon,
one more word of wisdom ;) before you go;

""When all your desires are distilled You will cast just two votes: To love more, And be happy. ""

- Hafiz

Found, that one, not so far away..;)

So, if you are going on monday, get wasted in the weekend, Simon, make some girls crazy, and dance the funky chicken! even in a hang over, there's God, right..? ;)

Have a great weekend, everybody,

With Love, Passion!

Hi gang,

Nice to see all my heavy weight friends out in force tonight...

I would like to share something that Osho said about "Gurus"

"The word 'guru' has become almost condemnatory, yet the root meaning of the word is beautiful. The word originally means 'one who is more consolidated, crystallizes, one who has more weight'. In Hindi gravitational force is called guruthwa karshan. Just as the Earth pulls things to itself with gravitational force so people gravitate toward the guru without his doing anything.
So 'guru' means one who has weight, who is centered, rooted and has a gravitational force. But that original meaning has been lost. 'Guru' has become almost a dirty word, particularly since Indian gurus started appearing in the West... Those who came were not very great men. They came to the West to have a following, to collect money and finally to take the money back to India to build temples and places for them and their disciples to live in. But it was all a materialistic thing; there was nothing of the spirit in it at all. So naturally 'guru' became a tainted word."

I think our friend Bhagwan Yogiraj may have confused Dr. Chopra with one of these kinds of 'gurus'. Perhaps he was taken advantage of by one of them, at any rate he is no doubt in a great deal of pain. The bad news is the way we get rid of pain down here on the planet Earth, when we aren't very advanced, and sometimes even when we are, is we try and give it to someone else.

Usually it's someone who reminds us of the one who gave us the pain in the first place. Like our Mother, Father, girl friend, or false guru.

If we can sort out this incorrect way of getting rid of the pain, and then go on to make friends with that pain, and accept it, this is a huge step to real growth.

I want to take this opportunity to thank Dr. Chopra for this post, and his many insights in how to correctly deal with sickness, and how to use the positive power of the mind and spirit to heal.

Thank you very much.

Respectfully,

Stan

Hey Simon,
one more word of wisdom ;) before you go;

""When all your desires are distilled You will cast just two votes: To love more, And be happy. ""

- Hafiz

Found, that one, not so far away..;)

So, if you are going on monday, get wasted in the weekend, Simon, make some girls crazy, and dance the funky chicken! even in a hang over, there's God, right..? ;)

Have a great weekend, everybody,

With Love, Passion!


Why the Healthiest Don't Get Sick?

Healtheist are not sick. Period

I will go on...

the wisest are not dumb

the sickest are not healthy

the biggest is not small

the smallest is not big

logical is not illogical

but, illogical is logical

in my land and here

you are all there

Thank you

Dear Stan,
Hi. There is another interpretation of the word, "Guru" apart from the one you mentioned (which, ofcourse, is very correct). "Gu" means darkness and "ru" means dispeller, so Guru could also means "one who dispels darkness/ignorance".
A Guru is someone who could help you by pointing towards the Moon, if you are in search of Moon, for example. But if instead of looking at the Moon, you start looking at his finger then you miss the point. That is the mistake ordinary disciples make. They get so in awe of the Guru that they get attached to the Guru himself/herself. A real Guru is one who does not make the student dependant on him/her. A good teacher is one whose students go beyond him/her and don't need him/her beyond a point.

That's why I feel my Guru, Rajneesh Osho, has been very successful in conveying his message to me......coz even though I accept and respect him as my Guru, I don't take even his word as the final authority blindly. Unless I experience the truth myself, I won't take anyone's word for it.

Cheers!
Navin

Thank you so much for these two blogs on health, Deepak, I truly agree with what you wrote.

There is one thing I wonder, though. Aren't "pessimists" people who project past problems (sometimes inherited problems) on the present because they or the generations before them haven't emotionally adapted or been able to cope with their challenges in the past? If so, why doesn't pessimism contribute to physical health problems when it is clearly a metabolism disturbance?

Another thing that caught my eye and that I thought to be extremely beautiful is this:
"Feeling loved, wanted, and useful. All three are necessary for optimal health. The healthiest people don't ignore things that deprive them of these positive qualities. In fact, they guide their lives to maximize all three."

What I loved most about this quote is that if you look carefully, "feeling loved, wanted and useful" is an INNER QUALITY, not something that comes from the outside. It is our own capacity to feel loved, wanted and useful that is a sign/source of health. This was a beautiful reminder that it's all inside, thank you!

Dear Navin

The thoughts of J. Krishnamurthy are quite refreshing. You made a very good interpretation of the word "Guru". It would be quite useful to know more about what you have said regarding Guru Rajneesh Osho and your opinions. Hope you would make it more insightful.


---That's why I feel my Guru, Rajneesh Osho, has been very successful in conveying his message to me......coz even though I accept and respect him as my Guru, I don't take even his word as the final authority blindly.

1. How many of the words/ideas/sayings by Osho whom you respect as a Guru have you taken as the final authority?

----Unless I experience the truth myself, I won't take anyone's word for it

2. Did you experience the TRUTH about some of his words/ideas/sayings? If yes can you mention a few?
(apart from Gu Ru elaboration)


3. Last but not least what is "Truth"? And what do you mean by experiencing the truth?

Is it the absolute truth as in absolute reality or is it the subjective truth as in the reality one experiences.

Or do you think there is no relation between "Truth" and "Reality"?

Or else do you think that “What is Truth?” is a question we will never be able to answer correctly. So, we should stop trying to answer that question. Do you believe in experiencing truth/reality (which is fundamentally related)?

Dear UG,
Here are the answers:

1.None.

2.Yes, I did. His discourses have been on very wide ranging subjects. If I'm not mistaken, he has written over 650 books (most of them converted from his audio recordings). It is not feasible right now to name a few as I have concured with his views approx. more than 95% of the time. I would suggest you go to www.osho.com for more info on his books and audio recordings.

3. The context in which I had used the word "truth" in my said post was not in a deep sense, as in equating it with reality. I was talking about the subjective truth that we experience in day to day occurence. Say for example, it is the truth that the Sun rises every morning.

When you ask the question "what is the truth" as in meaning the absolute truth, then that is similar to asking "what is the ultimate reality" or "what is God". If you are a seeker on the path of love, then yes, you should quit trying to answer this question, as it is beyond your capabilities in your present state of mind.
If you are a seeker on the scientific path, then pls keep trying as you might get somewhere close to answering this question if you follow a logical approach. If you are on the latter path then pls don't expect an answer any time soon.

Cheers!
Navin

HI Ug-thanks! And thanks for the compliments about my art. I wasn't into working with art-design until this past fall. Met a lady named Mieke here at Intent-whom encouraged me; before i knew it, I was doing a cover for Harb Singh, then two months ago, got a commissioned project for a book-cover design for Patzi Raven's book she is currently still penning.

I hope you get back into your art! : ) It's so fulfilling!

North

Dear Aurora,
I too, have really liked Deepak's 'back-to-back' articles, on sickness and health.

Dear Deepak,
Thank you.

"If someone were to come to me for a physical, I'd certainly comply, but before they left I would do everything possible to put them on the right track to optimal health, which has little to do with doctors and everything to do with self-awareness and balance".
Love,
Deepak


Love to you,
~ Kate


Hi Deepak, when we chant a Mantra such as ,"OM ISHAYA NAMAHA", we are surrendering our resistence to God. (OM= Witnessing Awareness), (ISHAYA= GOD), and (NAMAHA= I surrender my resistence to you). The ancient texts from India, and the seers recommend that we chant this Mantra, or any other Mantra, continuously for 108 times, understanding the meaning, and keeping the meaning in mind. They claim that helps us ease a lot of inner pain, and suffering.

I really think your thoughts on emotional adaptability, good coping mechanisms, and resilience are valuable in keeping the disease away.

My questions are on blue prints, karma, and free will and diseases. To explain, suppose I wrote asthma in my blue print, so I could suffer and perfect my soul. Is there such a possibility?? Did I intentionally write that in my blue print on the other side?? Or was it Karmic that I should have asthma?? Can I exercise my free will, and do a bunch of Pranayamas, and implore Mother Goddess to change my blue print??It would be so great if you could answer my questions.

Paging Mallika!!Hello Mallika, can you ask your papa this question??

Hi Kate, good to see you again :) I haven't been reading too much on the blog lately and I'm glad to see that your loving posts are still here. I hope you're well!

Dear Geeta, your question about karma and diseases is interesting, I hope you don't mind if I jump in to discuss it. As I see it, it is in our karmic script and our soul's will that we have a disease to help us grow, but the message of the disease is to show us the true illusory nature of all diseases and our true identity behind them. What we truly are cannot suffer, get sick or die...

To me, the reason why we should learn how to stay/return to good health and do all the pranayama and praying and everything else, is because in doing so, we confront our mistaken beliefs one by one and release our identification with them. For example, the belief that physical reality is set in stone and independent of our inner world, or that we are victims of a disease that hits us out of the blue and is against our best interests, or that we can't do anything about it, or that death is a tragedy, that suffering is real or that anything happening in the ever churning story of our personal karma is more than a dream of the universal mind. All these are the true gifts of a disease. Learning to be "healthy" means learning to remember our limitless, eternal nature of bliss.

Hey Geeta,
here's my 2 cts,
1. it's a Dharma thing, in/out, of,
2. there's no such thing, as a 'free will'

but than again..,
there are people out there who do not believe in fable's, can you believe that!?
and all the other, highly entertaining, but of very little practical use,
taught in, law/philosophy/pysch school,

right?
common sense of cosmic consiousness?

Love, Passion!

Good questions Geeta, I wish Deepak or someone could answer them for you, because I'd sure like to know as well!

I keep asking myself-did I get this bacteria as a baby, to come out at age 42, so that I could bring awareness of it's presence in the world? in my town?

When I got hit with it; and researched the bacteria-learning it comes from contaminated food or water; I called every possible office, high and low-to investigate!

Within a month or less of my investigation-and implying at the college and the grade school(field-work placement for grad); implying I may have gotten it at their schools-well, wihtin weeks or like I said the month; both schools changed thier water mains!!

So! To this day, I have "no rights" to learn if one of those schools water mains carried this bacteria! There are hundreds in town with it. Some developed stomach cancer and died. Some, like me-are bucking the odds of mortality-and I here I still am-living to talk about it!

So, did I put this bacteria into MY blueprint, so that I could bring awareness of it-and it's death sentence? OR, did I just not want a tranquility type life-style? lol

North

Hi Geeta,

It’s a fascinating question you asked Deepak about karma, free will and blueprints. I hope you won’t mind if I give you my two cents. It’s made me think a bit and here is the answer that I came up with - I hope you'll find it interesting:

We are constantly creating and changing our ‘blueprint’ according to what we choose to believe in. Karma is conditioning. Conditioning is learned behavior or beliefs. If we condition ourselves to really believe with the totality of our being that ‘all is well’, then our bodies and health will reflect that belief sooner or later.

Take care,

Dear Lars, I must agree with you in your interpretation; but, I fail to see the larger picture to full view.

I realize keeping one's thoughts calm, offers us a more calm internal environment, where our body feels no tension/stress on/in it.

I realize, that when we cannot detach from stress and anxiety, regardless of the event, ocassion or dramatization; that we subject ourselve's to physical tensions as well.

But, I still fail to see how blue-prints of one's soul can manifest a pre-destined event or occassion to substantiate karma?

To me, we are no different than the rose-no less than the butterfly, the stars or the moon.

WE are suspended animations of time and event.

North


Dear North/South


What about Free-will?

You can choose not to believe in “Karmic Determinism”.

A quote from a not-recommended-by-me book:

"If you really want and believe in something, the whole universe will conspire for that to happen."

Dear North,

In my reply to Geeta’s question I was writing about the mind’s blueprint and not the soul’s. I can’t speak about the soul’s blueprint because I don’t think that anyone can know if anything is predestined from the level of the soul.

I don’t find it useful to think of Karma as something coming from past-lives since I can’t know for sure if I’ve had past lives. So I’d like to think of Karma as my present-day conditioning - the beliefs that I’ve accumulated through experiences in this life - rather than something I’ve accumulated over past lifetimes.

Our conditioning, our past, determines a lot of our thoughts and actions, and therefore it almost creates a pre-destined future. But if we were to change our conditioning today we would automatically change our ‘pre-destined’ future.

For example, we’ve been conditioned by society to believe in everything doctors say. So if we were to get a dire prognosis, we would automatically believe it and it would become a ‘self-fulfilling prophecy’.

Some people say that it’s the diagnosis that kills, and I think there may be some truth in that. However, it doesn’t mean that it’s easy to ignore or not to believe a prognosis. It means, though, that it’s crucial to try as best as we can to change how we feel about it. If feel fearful, we will just get worse. If we manage, through prayer and meditation, to totally convince ourselves that ‘all is well’, then we could perhaps break free from the fear that a prognosis has conditioned us with and give our bodies a better chance to heal. Maybe this is how a few people with AIDS have managed to reverse their viral status form positive to negative? When one is sick, it’s difficult not to think about anything else, but thinking about it weakens us because it puts us in a state of fear and just makes us feel worse. To break free from this conditioned response, and to live a healthy and fearless life we have to find ways to have joyful thoughts. What do you think?

Peace,

Great response back Lars, thanks! You too, hypocrite.

I agree-sometimes a diagnosis of impending death, will ultimately escalate the symptoms, and perhaps a domino-effect(butterfly effect) will become ramant in taking charge, through negative charges in the brain, caused by fear of death.

I must agree to this part, in extent, fully; as I been there, and done that; not all that long ago. I have survived the odds(wink.)

Now, I have an attitude that, if I live, I live; if I die, I die?

What else is there to contest; if only that, which is in between life and death?

I have no fear to die and explore the beyond; I have tasted death a few times, and probably will again.

Don't we all begin to die though; the second we take our first breath of physical life? Death and time-are not in partnership per se; but, perhaps they are minute games the universe plays?

North

Aurora, Marek, North, Lars, thank you all for helping me with my questions. God bless you all.

Geeta, sometimes asking the question is initially more pertinent than the answers(wink), so we're glad you asked them! : )

North
http://spiritsinmotion.blogspot.com/

our favorite naysayer writes:
"Dear Enlightened Folks on the Spiritual Paths, living in the Fields of Consciousness in the Mystic Land
I will be on a vacation for a week and will have no access to Internet"

What a pity...
hahahahaha, hahaha hahahaha hahahahaha... ROFL, hahahaha...

thankx for such nice discussion

Just learned about this blog. Greetings Deepak et al. After perusing the responses to Deepak's post, I'm surprised to see no mention of meditation and activity directed to life purpose as contributors to great health.:)!

I used to think meditation was primary, but have come to discover that a balance of right actions guided by personal values may well be more important in processing the influences of our society.

You will not find more greedy people anywhere in the world than you will find in India, and the Indian goes on condemning the whole world as materialist.

Papa Answers your questions.

Question: "My questions are on blue prints, karma, and free will and diseases. To explain, suppose I wrote asthma in my blue print, so I could suffer and perfect my soul. Is there such a possibility?? Did I intentionally write that in my blue print on the other side?? Or was it Karmic that I should have asthma?? Can I exercise my free will, and do a bunch of Pranayamas, and implore Mother Goddess to change my blue print??It would be so great if you could answer my questions."


Answer: Dear Confused Reader,

Your thoughts are all mixed up. You do not write your own blue prints. They are written by chances, like the chance you were born. So concept of karma "on the other side" or the "blue print on the other side" is all holy cow shit. There is no soul. So perfection of it is all nonsense. You suffer from asthma because of your make up and the environment you live(d) in. It was written no where. So do not dwell on thoughts bordering absurdity. There is no Mother Goddess in the real world. She lives in the spiritual word of your mind that was fed nonsense by spiritual gurus and ignorant people with little knowledge of the working of the world. So you can prostate - Pranayamas - before her 108 times or 108 million times, if you so wish, but it will change nothing except further adding to your ignorance. You do have a free will to shed off all blind faith and ignorance if you want to carry your head on your shoulders. No body will stop anybody to be stupid if one thinks it is in their karma to be stupid. This is also called free will.

Note: I hope the reader is happy with this answer. Questions relating to the teachings of spiritual gurus on god, souls, karma, dharma, love, peace, abundant wealth, happiness, consciousness, quantum health, and on setting you on the right paths to be happy in this world and in the world after your death will be answered in this new column "Papa Answers". Please feel free to ask if you think your spiritual guru is bull shitting and you are not happy with his teaching though they appear to be sugar coated to make your mouth water for a while.

Looks like Bogiraj has reappeared in his new Avatar as Papa, the family guy (Grihastha),

now that his one week of vacation (Vanaprashta) is over.


(A vanaprastha , Snaskrit for a person living in a forest as a hermit after partially giving up material desires.)
(Grihastha, Snaskrit for the phase of life in which a man gets married and settles down in life and begets children.)
(There are four phases in a Hindu man’s life, namely, Brahmacharya, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, and finally Sanyasa)

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