Intent - July 23, 2006

Mirror of Relationships
Since we both participate here at IntentBlog we thought it would be fun to write a post on relationships together. FYI we’ve been married for 14 years and you can find out more about us on our website http://www.namastebreeze.com.
Kristin
Scott and I would like to discuss our experience of the “mirror of relationship” and how we believe that healing and creating peace in the world needs to begin with healing and creating peace in our personal relationships. Actually, it’s often harder to look closely at our most intimate relationships because that is where we are most vulnerable. That is where we are most directly challenged to face our humanity, sacrifice our point of view and put another first. It can be pretty easy to put on the “spiritual cloak” and walk around town. But with someone who lives with us day in and day out (say our spouse) it’s a bit different. It may be true that we’re becoming more spiritual and beginning to experience our intimate connection to all of life, yet it’s also true that we’re still human beings with the same conflux of feelings, needs, contradictions and imperfections as the rest of the whole. Part of spirituality and growing in awareness is not forgetting our humanity, because when we do that we’re tempted to think that we’re somehow special or more holy than the guy living in Afghanistan or next door or (in this case) sleeping next to us in bed at night. This is where the mirror of relationship comes in and where (as in this case) our spouse can be very valuable in keeping things in perspective.
Some years back I went through a period of time when I was very aware of how Scott had a problem with his anger. In fact I was fed up with it. For a time, it was uncomfortable for us to even have dinner together as a family because he seemed to always get angry with the kids. I made it clear to him that I wasn’t enjoying eating dinner when he was raising his voice with the kids, but it didn’t seemed to help. Then one night when Scott was out of town and not able to eat with us something very interesting happened: My father was visiting and during dinner my daughter started “showing off” for grandpa (or should I say – goofing off) and my young son wouldn’t even come to the table until dinner was almost finished. When my son finally did come and sit with us he started chanting something ridiculous back and forth with his sister. I couldn’t believe how out of control things seemed to be and I was really frustrated. I said some “choice” things from the “what not to say to your kids handbook” and sat back observing how little impact my intervention had on the whole scene. And then, the MOST INTERESTING thing happened – I had the thought: “I wish Scott were here so he could be angry with the kids instead of me!”
That was a great lesson for me. That glimpse into the mirror of relationship taught me that both Scott and I had our own issues with anger and also that it was Scott’s being angry that allowed me to play the “nice” role. After this realization really sunk in it helped me to more honestly and compassionately see myself, my husband and others. And then, guess what? Both Scott and I began to take greater responsibility for our own feelings. We began to consciously work through feelings of anger and discomfort instead of projecting those feelings onto others.
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Scott
Not too long after this incident I went to the Debbie Ford "Shadow Process” seminar. The emphasis in Debbie’s work is on finding ones personal “shadows”. Shadows are the disowned parts of the personality. All of us for various reasons have parts of ourselves that we hide away not only from the outside world, but also more importantly from our own conscious awareness. These “disowned” personality traits don’t just stay hidden away however; they want attention so they manifest as “negative” personality traits or as projections on other people.
When Kristin and I were first dating, one of the things that most attracted me to her was her gentleness and her loving acceptance of others. I on the other hand, saw myself as this hardcore fighter type; I prided myself on my emotional control and my ability to detach from my feelings and see the world through the black and white lens of logic and right wing politics. During some intense work at the Shadow Process (many years later), I came to discover that my “shadow” was gentleness. There was a gentle almost feminine side to my personality that I had rejected in myself because I saw it as weakness. That gentleness I projected on Kristin and any time that I saw her manifest traits that did not fit my view of who she was, I unconsciously reacted by taking on the role of the “angry one”. This allowed Kristin to play the “good girl” and allowed me to be the “bad boy” further supporting our limited views of each other and ourselves.
The truth as we see it is that as individuals each of us contains the potential for the full range of human expression. And that to see another in a limited fashion blocks love and true connection. Others (and ourselves) become caricatures that are impossible to fully love because they are two-dimensional and two-dimensional constructs are easy to make the villain or the hero.
Right now the world is in dire need of connection and an end to the “us and them” scenario. We believe that connection begins in the microcosm of our most personal relationships and expands to encompass the whole world.
Peace and Love,
Scott and Kristin
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Posted by Intent at July 23, 2006 04:33 AM
Nice piece, you guys make a great couple. Good Luck!
Scott & Kristin, great share on duo-relationships, and the importance of seeing each other, in each other's "role."
Dear Kristin ansd Scott,
You are a beautiful couple. Honesty coupled with love are the key to a wonderful relationship like yours.
It is so heartening to see successful couples like yours. I know many people who are happily married because they grow together -- not in sameness, but in equality. I am engaged to be married next year (August). One of the best qualities in my fiance is his sincerity. I also appreciate his acceptance of others' weaknesses and his discernment in handling difficult situations.
Best wishes to both and love,
Donatella
Such will to honesty, love, and growth is always a welcome example in my day. Thank you for sharing these personal moments and insights with us.
This is so refreshing on my first read....Big mistake to get on the blog when I am due somewhere in 30 minutes! I can't wait to come back and reread and check out the links and my minds is already thinking, the wheels are turning...
to be continued....
I posted in the Open Thread before I read this piece you wrote...
its not about the amount of connections you make its about building foundations that can't disconnect...
Kudos to YOU!
a mirror relation
is a salvation~
Enjoy your oneness!
Mulla Nasruddin on Marriage:
The young lady's hopes had been high for two years while Mulla Nasrudin remained silent on the question of marriage. Then one evening he said to her, "I had a most unusual dream last night. I dreamt that I asked to marry you. I wonder what that means." "THAT MEANS," said his girlfriend, "THAT YOU HAVE MORE SENSE ASLEEP THAN YOU HAVE AWAKE."
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Mulla Nasrudin had been calling on his girlfriend for over a year. One evening the girl's father stopped him as he was leaving and asked, "Look here, young man, you have been seeing my daughter for a year now, and I would like to know whether your intentions are honorable or dishonorable?" Nasrudin's face lit up. "DO YOU MEAN TO SAY, SIR," he said, "THAT I HAVE A CHOICE?"
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"Well, young man, I understand you want to become my son-in-law," said the father to his daughter's boyfriend, Mulla Nasrudin. "NO, SIR, NOT EXACTLY," replied Nasrudin. "BUT IF I MARRY YOUR DAUGHTER, I DON'T SEE HOW I CAN GET OUT OF IT."
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Mulla Nasrudin was talking to a friend about his recently broken romance. "Do you mean," asked the friend, "that at her request, you gave up drinking, and smoking, and gambling, and dancing, and playing pool?" "Yes, just because she insisted," said the Mulla. "Then why didn't you marry her?" the fellow asked. "WELL, AFTER ALL THAT REFORMING," said Nasrudin, "I DECIDED I COULD DO BETTER."
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After the bride's first dinner, she asked her husband, Mulla Nasrudin, "Now, dear, what will I get if I cook a dinner like that for you everyday?" "MY LIFE INSURANCE," said Nasrudin.
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Mulla Nasruddin and his wife were having an argument one night. His wife became angry with him, and said, "You are a perfect dope!" "DON'T TRY FLATTERY," said Nasrudin. "NONE OF US IS PERFECT!"
Dear Kristin & Scott,
Wishing you continued happiness together.
Cheers!
Navin
Somebody asked a question to Rajneesh Osho about marriage:
Question: WHAT IS THE SECRET OF REMAINING HAPPY AND MARRIED?
Rajneesh Osho: I can only tell you the secret of being happy -- marriage is irrelevant. If you live together with somebody out of love, out of gratitude, good; if it goes on happening your whole life, good. If it disappears one day, depart from each other in deep gratitude, in the remembrance of the love that was once there -- it has enriched you. Rather than clinging to each other in anger, in frustration, in rage, and being violent to each other and destructive, it is better to depart with grace. One should know how to fall in love and one should also know how to fall out of it gracefully.
Cheers!
Navin
For those of us who want to save the world, but instead ultimately choose to drink away any and all loved ones; I salute your mutual dedication.
You two are a most excellent couple, as you are also invaluable members of our family here at intentblog!
God bless,
Craig
Hello everyone,
Thanks for the replies. Appreciate all of them. Scott and I will be out most of the day, but I'm sure we'll get back to the blog tomorrow.
Love, Kristin
Hi Navin, enjoyed the jokes and sayings of both Mulla and Osho :)
Hi World revolutionist, had a look at your great photoalbum :)
Mieke,
To coin a DeNiro; "you talking to me?"
If so, why thank you fair sir!
peace
Kristin and Scott,
Good to see you two again.
Marraige is difficult and I have no room to talk.
I'm glad you've found your own ways to do this
together. I second Donatella's voice and would
also add loyalty to the long list we'll soon have.
.
Who's the new blogger with the fancy letters that
I can't make? World Revolutionist?
Oh my...we'll have to shorten that one,
to Craig or somethin' like that.
.
Navin, Cracked me up from beginning to end!
We now add to the list the sense of humor.
Cheers back at ya!
Dear Craig, i was so curious by those fancy letters that i clicked on them and ended up at your website :)
You are very welcome sir :)
Peace
Hey Craig,
Your cartoon guy seems to have a pipe
but he's using the wrong end.
Shotgun?
Dear Kristin and Scott,
Thank you for the post! It is lovely to see the way in which your relationship is rooted in a deep connection with each other, with sincere and honest desire to see each other grow fully.
I think its true in every relationship, with spouse, children, parents, siblings, co-workers and friends - we 'see' in others, that which is in us. Lovely, and - not so lovely.
And yet, the temptation, is to justify our feelings and acting as we do - while not tolerating or accepting other's ways and behaviors.
I love that you both are using Awareness, to allow the alchemy process to happen, and how this compliments you both. Honesty has a way of bringing about marvelous inner change - and can lead to outer changes that are delightfully shared with another.
To feel safe, while being vulnerable - in relationship - is a heavenly experience. Oh yes!
May you continue to blossom into more and more wholeness, unique as you both are, and still - One.
My love to you,
~ Kate
Hats off to you guys for keeping it together for 14 years. Best wishes for many more!
I think it's good for kids to obey adults. The parents I have seen that never enforce discipline, or are too guilty to tell their kids "no" and stick to it have produced drug addicts who dropped out and ended up in gangs.
A context should be created where the child understands that a stern voice can be delivered by a loving parent.
Having fun is one thing. Being out of control is entirely another. Kids need to be taught the difference.
Yogi
Hi Navin,
From Osho's view, falling in and out of love is a state of feeling, that can come and go.
I believe there is a way of Being, that is continuous love, and love that grows and never dies.
This is a very uncommon belief, and seeming rare experience.
Yet, I know it is possible.
To never fall out of Love.
If you follow this 'path' - be prepared to be misunderstood, and to be challenged in every way, to be pulled away from lovingness.
Perhaps,
you will walk this path,
with me.
:))
~~ Katie
Scott and Kristin, you both are a beautiful pair in more ways than one. May your love grow every day. God bless.
I am fascinated by real human stories. The teachings that I got from them are truly deep. More, they help to create simplicity in me, to open myself, to create communication and to be myself.
I always said; "The "olders" teachers are very importante voices that help us in our lives (grandparents, uncles, parents...)" but friends can be as good when they open themselves that way.
Kristin & Scott, thank you. You don't know but you have helped me to understand something in my life.
Kristin, my mom has always been the nice girl playing the nice role and my dad the bad guy... You do not know how much it is difficult, as a child, to grow "normally", to develop your personality, your self-confidences.
Scott, you are what I call a "real fighter". The decision you took to help yourself and your family is not something a man can do easily. For a lot of men, this is a really scary path. My dad has never been able to do it!
Nice picture!
Thanks again
Dear Meike and Keith,
Thanks. Keith, the nick Craig used is the Hindi word for fire, "Agni".
Dear Agni,
If you are Craig as your link shows, then you should know that Mieke is a woman, buds. (ref. your post #13) How long have you been around here! LOL.
Dear Katie,
Loving someone and "being in love" with someone are two different things. I may love every one in this world, but I cannot possibly be "in love" with everyone. What Rajneesh Osho was talking about was in the context of "being in love" and not about loving in general.
Cheers!
Navin
busted
Figures Navin!
And yes Navin, sorry Meike b/c I had noted that b/4.
My bad milady.
peace
Dear Craig,
How have you been? Hope you are keeping your fighting spirit intact. You can make a difference (to yourself and the world)....remember this. You really have the "Agni" inside you.
Have a great day all & Cheers!
Navin
Thanks Navin for explaining Agni :)
Quite allright Craig, it has happened more than once in my life that someone thought i was a man lol. I was a member of an English computerclub in the beginning of the nineties and no-one in the beginning knew my first name. As this club consisted mainly of men, i naturally was a man too :)
Namaste
hello kristin and scott =)
you guys look hot. ;)
thank you very much for your post. it helped me take a look at my own relationship, and see it for what it is and is not.
also, it made me remember the following lines in deepak's The Path to Love:
The person you love reflects your share of universal love. If you learn to look deep enough, you will see that your reality is only love.
and
Love is the spirit. Spirit is the Self.
and (this is my favorite):
A man and a woman can reflect divine love in their love for each other.
Loving your beloved is the way you love God.
take care always.
Hi All!
Thanks everyone for responding to our post.
Craig...Cool letters!
Over the last few years Kristin and I have really begun to see how our relationship (in fact ALL relationships) are really tools for growth. It's extremely difficult in the heat of the moment to see the reflection of your own personal demons in your partner...in fact it may be impossible when you are in full fight or flight mode. However I've found trusting that what is really going on is NOT about the other, but about you and that at some point the reflection will become clear seems to de-escalate many situations. I've found that this is just as true in every relationship that you have; whether with your spouse, children or a casual acquaintance. Those things that "pull our triggers" are always those things that we need to attend within ourselves.
The blog is a great tool for seeing the mirror, because you can look at the posts here and notice when you have a strong emotional reaction to them. Nine times out of ten it is because the poster is reflecting some shadow within yourself...some hidden part that you REALLY don't like. The nice thing about the blog is that you don't have to react with hasty words...you can wait and allow some calm to come over you and ask the question "what is the gift in this?" or "What does my reaction to this say about me?" Then you can respond with the correct response.
Thanks again for all of the kind words and encouragement!
Peace,
Scott.
Good points Scott, and all the best, to you and Kristin and the children.... are they enjoying their summer holidays; or, are they bored for school already? some kids here are so bored already, and school has only been out a month... lol
Hi North,
The kids are having a good time this summer, but Hannah especially is excited about school. She's moving into middle school this year (grade 6 - 8) and VERY excited that she will have a locker and multiple teachers.
Josh however is a bit like his old man...he would just as soon stay home and take a complete pass on school.
We will be driving up to Canada the middle of August. I grew up on Lake Winnipeg. My mom sold our place up there to my cousins and they will be loning us the house for the week. Haven't been there for 9 years...it will bring back some memories I'm sure and will give the kids a chance to see where all of dad's "bear wrestling stories" got their origin :).
Peace,
Scott.
HI Scott, this is my 4th attempt to post...sheesh!
Gosh, I remember 4 years ago, when Lee started High School!!(grade:9)
This year, we had a high school reunion/to close our old hs,,as we have a new one ready for September! I'm glad Lee got to attend my old school though....
Well, Hannah's going to love it Scott!! I find grade school level; is very suppressing of one's creative spirit..and too rule-oriented. lol Im more like Josh there too.. lol
Lee moves in about 3 weeks for college almost 400 miles away!! whew! The years go too fast!! It feels odd; I won't be a part of his college years... I"m going to miss that part; as I've been such an active parent in sports/school/volunteer works...
I feel like I"m being put out to pasture.. ahahhah
Much love, to you and Kristin, big storm coming our way, eeek ciao for now!
North
North,
Yes, I know how you feel about all the changes with Lee. My oldest son just bought a house with his fiance'. It seems like yesterday that he was wearing his tiger pajamas and watching cartoons on Saturday morning.
Love to you both.
Scott.
Gosh, I hear ya Scott!! Cartoons, fruit-loops, and hero-pajama's.... ahhhhh the memories....
I find myself uttering things like:" this is Lee's last birthday at home" or, torture myself with things like: "this is Lee's last winter at home" did you pass through that phase? lol
I prob wouldn't feel at such odd, odds, if his college wasn't so far away!!(gentle smiles)
And, g'luck to your son and his fiance on their new home!! far out! They live in town, or afar?
Hi Kristin and Scott,
What a inspirational blog. I think relationship building is so important. Being a divorce woman, I know there is a "deeper depth of love" to find that I have never found before.
Now in a new relationship, I find myself very vulnerable, scared, but have a committment to myself to plow right thru it. I think that being scared along with a partner and the feeling of vulnerability is sort of a way our body tells us to pay attention to our feelings and talk about them.
I know that life throws us many curve balls but if we learn to manage our emotions, that will give us tools for life in success and even failures, but allowing us to move on. Hope this all makes sense!
Love, Joanie
In answer to your question Keith, ref. 16, over at "Creating New Superheroes . . ."
Perfect story...and timing
Thank you for sharing Kristen and Scott.
North, my daughter is also just finished high school. My advise to her is to take her time and decide what she would like to do.
Where is Lee going to school?
Scott and Kristen, hope your trip to Canada is a beautiful and memorable one.
Cinda
HI Cinda, your daughter isn't off to college right away? lucky!! lol Lee was going to stay a year, and work; to make as much as he can, so he'd have to borrow less student loans, but his buddy is going, and taking the same course, and they'll be room-mates with his buddy's girlfriend. They have been working on this plan, the 3 of them, all winter. They don't let me in on enough of the ins and outs; and that alone, is edgy!! I am used to "doing" everything!! lol what changes. Exciting, scary at the same time. Lee feels excited and scared too.. it's a big change for a seventeen year old. I left at eighteen, and I didn't disappear; now I know what "my Mom" went through!! lol
North
Hey Kristin, Scott,
Nice piece. I especially like the way you two both discovered clues into the relationship you have with yourselves through the relationship you have with each other.
(sorry didn't read the other comments to see if my comment is a repeat or not - and certainly not part of the discussion.)
thanks for all your comments and support.
all the best,
bharat
Hey Kristin and Scott,
You guys are cool! Thanks for sharing that intimate side of your relationship, I will take it to heart in my own.
Good stuff,
Steve
Dear Kristin and Scott,
Was a pleasure and a lesson going through your respective views on relationships. As I got to the end I got something struck me. That it is alright and necessary to have expectations of each other and that it is even more important to accept each other. What a wonderful prescription you have given us.
Dear Kristin and Scott,
I have enjoyed many of your posts over the last year. Your stories remind me of My own life with my wife Gloridy. We have been married for almost 14 years also. We have four beautiful, gifted, children, and I am usually the one getting after them, sometimes with anger. My wife has recently taken up meditation and she is very excited by a newfound calmness and a feeling of being closer to God.
It is good that you both are being a positive force for creating peace and healing in the world. God Bless You!
Kind Regards,
Stan
Thanks again for all of your replies. We really appreciate them. We have some amazing things happening right now. Well, Scott does. And so we're a bit caught up in our face to face interactions, but we do so value the connections here.
More from us later, I'm sure!
Love, Kristin
Hi all,
Thanks for all of the great responses!
Kristin and I are going through an exciting time that I'm sure will generate some great stores. I was adopted as a baby, both of my adoptive parents are deceased now. Within the last couple of days I've met my birth mother, who has promptly read every post, article or tidbit about me on the internet :) and will probably read this (HI MOM!). The wild part of this is that my mother has lived down the street from my house (under a mile) for the whole time that Kristin and I have been living in our current home.
It turns out that I have two brothers and a sister and the odds are good that my sister Kristine is probably reading this (Nice to meet you last night Kris! I will start posting more conservative viewpoints from now on.)Hopefully you called Joe last night and informed him that I am in fact a "gold-digger" as he feared :).
Thanks folks for all of you support.
Peace,
Scott.
Scott: Have been able to read a few of the blogs over the last week from a wireless laptop, but it was too slow in downloading to try and post much--but wanted to say that Patzi and I very much enjoyed following your second Weekly Intent--you two "look" rrrreeeeaaaalllllyyyy good together!
Your message in post #43 is truly remarkable to consider the implications of--I hope you will most definitely keep sharing ongoing posts of how this most "synchro-destined series of life-altering coincidences" unfolds--and very much hope that your long-lost family members will quickly "feel at home" as part of the Intentblog family, and share their lives here as well--that's an amazing story for all of you to tell.
I also hope you will do more blogs that incorporate your magnificent "career" as a long-term and highly successful martial artist, and how that, and your and Kristin's yoga/meditation processes tie ever more deeply into your everday lives.
Thank you for sharing this exceptional "update"--as your Weekly Intent piece is "in play!!!" Dave
Kristin and Scott
I am so excited for your recent discoveries and new found relationships. (Kristin, thanks for sending the email as well.)
Much love
Mallika
Dear Scott & Kristin; this is such amazing and wonderful news!! Thankyou so very much, for sharing with us, the miracles in life, that can happen!!
So very happy for you Scott!! I have tears streaming down my face, so I'm quite glad Lee is out with his gal, otherwise he might think me sad...lol
Hugs to you both!! Being an adoptive Mom; this is a real nice positive share.... thankyou!
North
hey, Scott -- and Kristin -- this is super to hear! Scott, your Mom must be so proud, and you must be so happy!
love, heather
Wow! That is quite amazing and so very cool....I am glad you are journaling your new discovery and writing about it....keep writing, feeling and writing!
Love, Joanie
Scott and Kristin,
Cool Post guys. sorry took me so long, been out of touch for a couple weeks.
Congrats on your new relationships, you will be blessing to your 'new' family, as you have been to all of us here.
Y'all are the best....Scott...you da man...right Kristin??
norm
You're damn right, Norm! :)
Stan, congratulations to your wife with her new meditation practice. Mediation has really been a key for me and continues to expand my world.
Dara, I agree that acceptance is so important. Acceptance and love of others and ourselves is the turning point. Then we find our true power and ability to help.
Dave, nice to hear from you again.
Appreciate everyone's good wishes.
Love to all,
Kristin
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Scott and Kristin,
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Wow! That is quite amazing and so very cool....
hey, Scott -- and Kristin -- this is super to h
Dear Scott & Kristin; this is such amazing and
Hi Kristin and Scott,
Great story, brought back mixed memories lol
Am not going to give you my side of the story. I always told myself when things went in the not so desired direction and when my head was cleared again: what can i learn?
This learning process is suitable in a lot of aspects of life. It made me very creative :)
Lots of success with your work.