Dear DK

Try this link:

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060825-091321-7556r

Sure wish everyone wouldn't panic!!

norm

The link reads:

Russian scientist predicts global cooling

MOSCOW, Aug. 25 (UPI) -- A Russian scientist predicts a period of global cooling in coming decades, followed by a warmer interval.

Khabibullo Abdusamatov expects a repeat of the period known as the Little Ice Age. During the 16th century, the Baltic Sea froze so hard that hotels were built on the ice for people crossing the sea in coaches.

The Little Ice Age is believed to have contributed to the end of the Norse colony in Greenland, which was founded during an interval of much warmer weather.

Abdusamatov and his colleagues at the Russian Academy of Sciences astronomical observatory said the prediction is based on measurement of solar emissions, Novosti reported. They expect the cooling to begin within a few years and to reach its peak between 2055 and 2060.

"The Kyoto initiatives to save the planet from the greenhouse effect should be put off until better times," he said. "The global temperature maximum has been reached on Earth, and Earth's global temperature will decline to a climatic minimum even without the Kyoto protocol."

Dear DK

When I was developing a Global Cattle Tracking System, I included a sub system to that will allow businesses to [track / measure] buy, sell and trade emission credits with other companies.

I could pull it out as its own system if anybody on the planet would like to use it. It uses a very advanced framework where I have already figured out how to overcome all the hurdles and obstacles in implementing such a system. It uses methodologies not yet used in information systems.

If any one is interested in it or would like to consult with me on such a system, you can make initial contact via my profile.

Now any state or country that would really like to prosper in this area, can talk to me about Rock Dust and the Global Remineralization project. If any players would like to participate in building the supply chain with a focus on logistics and quality control please let me know.

Here we

1. double food output,
2. eliminate malnutrition from eating mineral deficient produce (levels are down 50%)
3. reduce the need for pesticides,
4. improve resistance to drought,
5. reduce the need for petroleum based fertilizer,
6. put a halt on human aggravated global warming.
7. Create jobs

Now why can’t I get some support!

Richard

Dear DK

A documentary that should be worth watching is being released tomorrow in Sweden. It is called "The Planet" and is produced by Michael Stenberg. A team has interviewed 50 scientists from 25 countries during two years, among others respected names like Herman Daly, Lester Brown, Gretchen Daly, Norman Myers and Jared Diamond. The team has put together the findings - and the message is: we can't afford to ignore the situation. We have to do something NOW.

The release is very well timed here in Sweden, as the coming elections have a much too narrow focus on social, economical and political issues. Any issue needs to be put in a global environmental context, without delay.

I'm glad that Mr. Schwarzenegger chooses to use his determination in this direction, I hope many more leaders and governments will do the same.

Aurora

Dear DK

As a Californian, I do think Governor Schwarzenegger is to be commended for his leadership in this agreement as well as passing other environmentally oriented legislation before now…even if there is a slight aura of re-election positioning to it. Skeptics call this a drop in the bucket and there is an outcry from business leaders who fear increased costs of doing business in California.

Despite that, this deal is far more important in the message it sends as an example, as a call to action. As individuals we do what we can in our day to day life to reduce global warming but our governments have been painfully slow to rally. It may be one small drop, but the drops can add up to buckets. As the 9th (I believe) largest emitter of greenhouse gases, California should feel some moral obligation to be a leader in this area!

It’s also apparent that many companies have not been thwarted by such policies and are smartly jumping on board to get energy efficient – Dow, GE, Du Pont, IMB, Wal-Mart. By getting more energy efficient now, they will likely be more competitive and less dependent on shifting energy prices in the future – and if these companies don’t innovate now, somebody else is sure to beat them to the punch given the current mood about global climate change.

Tanna

Thanks DK,

I happen to have access as does everyone to one of the most efficient and safe nuclear reactors in existance. It floats over our heads during the day. Pretty amazing power plant I would say. But I suspect they will some day tax light. : )

There is a techonology that the world has yet to see that can properly harness this energy. It can also be used as a weapon. Such that it needs to be given to all the countries of the world, when power is transfered from the few to the many, and there is an equal balance of feminine and masculine energy in the governments.

So when the world collectively wields power the gift will be bestowed.

At least that is how it works out in the movie, I wonder how well it will blend with reality.

Norm, brings up a good point. Perhaps others need to be brought up to speed.

There 'Global Warming' which is also occuring on Mars where they don't have cows and cars.

There is the Global Warming resulting just on earth related to the soils inability to trap CO2 and the increased production.

All combined it makes for the following scenario which is happening before our very eyes.

Freshwater as we find in the Artic Ice cap is heavier than salt water, the Ice cap is melting rapidly. The perma frost is melting releasing more trapped CO2. The energy that was reflected by the ice is being absorbed.

We are in for very rapid changes.

There are large amount of freshwater disrupting the Gulf Stream. It was predicted and is now demonstrated and it is happening fast.

The Gulf Stream is slowing down dramaticaly and it is the Gulf Stream that warms Europe keeping it from being like Siberia.

Europe is going freeze because of global warming seems to contradict itself does it not?

You see what happens is there are not many "single" minds on the planet capable of taking from all the multitude of disciplines, data, information, and building a working model in an active human brain.

However there are some have done this all their life, working with thousands of lines of code, objects, properties, functions and relationships. Not only this they use binaural beat technology, nootropics, and spend hours each day doing research instead of watching sitcoms. They are also adept at using the Internet for research.

They have a neural structure that can handle such a task as understanding very complex systems.

That is what system architects do.

What I am saying is, that many of the academics and institutions that are supposed to be looking out for us ARE IN THE DARK.

Exponetial escalation is what we are talking about, Europe may not be able to grow crops let alone pay their heating costs in seven years.

Plug that into your numbers.

OOPS I wrote that backwards above.

Freshwater is lighter than the saltwater. It is harder for the cooler freshwater to sink.

Gulf stream circulation has slowed by about 30% in the last 12 years ago. Pretty radical.

I could be wrong but I don't know that the CO2 release from the perma frost has been taken into account, it could be massive all at once type of thing. 1 degree makes a difference.

There was a movie along these lines I think but it was a bit exagerated and happened in like weeks. But could something like this happen over a few years?

If the sun is also contributing to Global warming hence the effect on Mars is the factor being taken into account?

We are moving into alignment with the center of the Galaxy, and there is this vast empty space there for some reason between us and the center.

Why? Will we encounter high energy particles? Galactic gravity waves that give galaxies their form?

DK,

I agree that we need to do everything possbile to eliminate our contibution to Global warming, and offset any other factors we can, it is what is causing the freeze, it won't save us from it.

There are unkown factors like the rotation of the planets core (which also seems to be growing) and it's effect on the magnetosphere, which protects us from the solar wind.

I mean didn't the dinosours dissapear kinda quickly?

Dear DK

Lately, I've been drawn toward Appalachian blue grass, soulful music that sometimes evokes inexplicable grief as a permanent, tragic record of the American Civil War.

Decisions about whose side to support rended families right down the middle and broke just as many hearts as the dead piled up.

It can be tempting to see it as a cultural conflict or an economic struggle and to even romanticize it in careful replica, but at its core, it was a final, permanent verdict in the capital trial against race oppression. Bought with blood and paid in full despite the lack of ANY certain science to prove the merit of it.

Today we're at that same juncture. We are taught in the Bible to exercise prudent stewardship of the lands. To treat God's creation with reverence and respectful husbandry. Not to pillage it for individual gain with disregard and sickening contempt. To harness its forces by cooperating with it. Not destroying it.

This is our spiritual fork in the road. We need to pay our material debt and understand the carnage we're inflicting before we can yield spiritual harvest. We need to stop lying to ourselves under the guise of "open-mindedness" as though the debate itself is going to save our asses.

For people of science, I say this: an honest appraisal of CO2 content patterns along with correlating temperature patterns is just a simple fact. It's completely undeniable, and you can't pile lobbied research doubt-dollars on top of it to make it go away.

You just can't whip up epistemilogical uncertainty forever. The roadblock is this (and it's a big one): there is not one single piece of evidence that would change the minds of the naysayers (who, ironically, in matters of war and violence are normally people of faith). And if you ask them for one, they are suddenly mute.

But even if I lacked the science, I just know, from balls to bones, it's the right thing to do.

Dana

Richard: Your point about the permafrost gas releases are expected to trip such an explosion of "green houses" gases that the whole mess could accelerate at a geometric progression of unbelievable proportions--very relevant aspect to the discussion. Dave

....and yes Richard--the magnetic polar shift is also happening as we speak--it is closing in on a "critical mass" type of shift that could cause the magnetic poles to flip-flop "in the blink of an eye"--one of the immediate problems is the fluctuations in our "protective shield" and the corresponding exposure to solar winds--there is a potentially massive solar eruption on the horizon for the 2010-12 timeframe. Dave

Dear DK

I will gladly comment on the documentary as soon as I have a chance to see it :)

Reading Richard's, DK's and David's comments about the GHG release I realise that many people perceive the need for solutions to be urgent. I personally feel that it's important that we don't handle climate chaos on the same level of thinking that has created it- by using our intellect exclusively. There are many factors involved, too many even for the most intelligent and informed among us to handle, so we need to access the well of instinctual intelligence inside us and get out of nature's way of healing itself. What this means exactly is surely different for each of us, but as we are obviously required to act in a synchronized and perfectly organized way, it all boils down to putting our efforts in acessing our deepest personal level of consciousness and acting from there.

Aurora

Dear DK

Re: Beyond Political Posturing

As long as there are ten lane highways going north to south in California, crammed with cars even at one o'clock in the morning, no amount of posturing on industrial emissions is going to make the slightest bit of difference.

Only a dramatic switch to hydrogen fuels in automobiles will have the desired result in terms of emissions control. Anything else will be political posturing. If Governor Schwarzenegger was really serious he would suspend all taxes on non hydro-carbon fuels, taxes on hybrid and fuel cell and electric cars and raise the price of petrol to fund better public transportation.

A few years ago I mentioned to a senior legislator in the Colorado Senate that there was almost nothing in the way of public transportation (trains etc) in Colorado. My point being that it would be extremely difficult in a gas crisis to move supplies and people around. His reaction was a total lack of concern. Alexander Dumas famously said that anarchy was only three square meals away. In the case of the United States I suspect it is only three full gas tanks away.

Kind regards


Anthony Whitehouse

Dear DK: I agree with your point regarding the implications of human-generated climate changes vs. the cyclical nature of a magnetic polar shift occurring within the greater cosmological cycles.

One of the areas of study relates to some of the Mayan prophecies (and others from some of the great civilizations that concur), and the vast the synchronization of cosmological cycles that are said to be coming into alignment +-2012; it is said that our solar system will be coming out of the shadow of all of the multitude celestial bodies that block our direct exposure to the light of Alcione, the great Central Sun of the Milky Way--and that as we "come around the bend" of our 25,000-year orbit around this massive and primal source of life-force, we will enter "a new light," so to speak.

Supposedly, we are already in a massive photon belt that is perpendicular to the orbital plane of the galaxy as it revolves around this massive star, as well as the massive black hole-s associated with this inner-galactic sphere.

Like the possible polar shift said to be occuring, these greater cosmological movements are variables; not of man's making, but nevertheless sources of additional unpredictability regarding the many unknowns we face as we collectively negotiate the sometimes and seemingly tenuous tight-rope walk into our future.

One of the greatest "seers" of modern human history, "The Sleeping Prophet" (Edgar Cayce--whose massive compilation of medical readings/diagnoses have been est. by modern medicine to be 95-97% correct!) was often noted to have indicated that mankind's collective consciousness indeed does influence the activities of sunspots.

Further studies in "The Life and Teaching of The Masters of The Far East" also give accountings of the origin's of our planetary bodies, and what an incredible precise "house-of-mirrors" is our local universe--vs. the more causal nature of our "non-local" domains.

It is said that the coming cosmological synchronization involves as many as 20 "local" galaxies--whether there is any truth to these considerations I've introduced here, it does seem we'll be flying through some turbulent thunderstorms-of-epic-change as we progress through the coming years.

I, for one, find this timeframe in human history to be ever-the-greatest in the annals of human history to be incarnate--I believe, beyond a shadow-of-a-doubt, that we will meet the coming challenges with an even greater spirit than was seen in first sending Apollo 13 moonward; but even greater, bringing it, and it's crew, "homeward bound" after it was crippled beyond belief, and that anyone could ever figure out how to overcome such invincible odds as those three astronauts faced.

Such is the capacities of the Human Spirit to exercise the meaning of ancient Mandarin Chinese symbol that simultaneously means both "catastrophe, and opportunity."

We will have awakened within ourselves long-forgotten spiritual abilities as we traverse the coming times of great challenge together; and for all the world's current and future pain-and-suffering, it is a most-magnificent time to be a part of humanity; a time of collective human ascension never before seen in what is said to be the 10,522,000+-year history of humankind stepping forth on this face of this blue-green gem (anyone notice the findings of the 7,000,000+-year-old humanoid in Chad???).

Much Love to you all!--Dave

Richard

Also note that permafrost is the glue that holds the alps together.

http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/37442/story.htm

DK

The point that Aurora brings up is the idea that often leads me to my pessimism. I am just so afraid that factions, not in communication with each other, will rush to new solutions that are actually more harmful then helpful. Such as freezing CO2's and pumping them into the ocean floor. Not a smart well thought out idea.

And at this point fossil fuel intensive.

Forget the permafrost. What about melting ocean ice at the bottom of the ocean that holds CO2?

And Aurora is right. The challenge is so great that a serious personalized spiritual component is a part of the equation.

Anthony Whitehouse

I'm not an Arnold fan. I know that this is a negligible drop in the bucket but as Tanna D points out, it takes drops to fill the bucket.

I applaud Arnold and the democratic legislature for the message.

In terms of hydrogen. although it is something that should be being worked on it is not our salvation. It is another one of the drops in the bucket. As Aurora has pointed out no one person or group of intellectuals or scientists or politicians or industrialists or inventors is going to come up with THE solution. It is going to take a collective effort greater then bringing the Apollo 13 astronauts back from the moon. Greater then the efforts of the Manhattan Project to build an atomic bomb. Larger then the Interstate Highway's projects after world war 2 that connected our military industrial complex nationwide. This one is hugh my brother and thanks to the people of California for shouting out.

David

Pretty heavy reading but something in it speaks to me. I like the fact that Dana, Aurora and yourself bring in the spiritual component. This situation needs the scientists to do their thing and it also needs the spiritually inclined to bring the message forward on the spiritual level. The awakening is here whether we are ready or not.

LPB

What do you suggest?

Eh this is where it gets tricky. As Aurora points out it will mean different things to different people.

My sister lives just north of Taos in New Mexico. She has her own well. She has been off the grid for about 12 years. She provides all of her electric needs through the sun. The electric appliances on a motorized yacht run on a DC electrical system. Television, refrigerator, lighting. My sister has all of the conveniences the rest of the modern world has.

She grows her own food and supplements from a cooperative. Is a vegetarian. Buys organic and still somehow contributes to GWG's

But LPB, you might ask, are you doing?

I went onto an environmental website and did a kind of carbon foot print score for my life style. It was so ridiculous. But in retrospect I guess it's a start. I say ridiculous because I couldn't even get any points for anything.

I live in Switzerland. That in itself should count for something.

The Swiss recycle everything. I mean everything.

All over the country are containers to deposit ones collected glass. And the containers are even separated into green glass, white glass and brown glass. At many of these sites there are facilities for industrial oil as well as plant oil. Yes there are even Swiss that instead of pouring their spent cooking oil down the drain, pour it in to a container and bring it to one of these areas which are by the side of the road by the way (very conveniently located), and deposit the oil there for recycling.

Then there is the monthly pick up of saved paper right out side your door. And just to make the distinction there is the monthly pick up of cardboard.

More people use public transport which is laid out excellently and cheap. Even more use bicycles.

So what am I doing? I am taking advantage of the Swiss infrastructure for recycling. I don't own a car. I use a bicycle until the weather gets to cold and then public transportation. I cut out frivolous travels to look at that new computer I know I can't buy. I eat only fresh foods. No need for refrigeration. (I turned mine off and leave the door open). It's also very healthy and economic. I only eat uncooked vegetables and. I soak my lentils for a day and they are the same consistency as if I had cooked them without destroying any of the delicate enzymes. Also saves on the electric bill and is healthy. I turn off lights. Don't use the dishwasher.

Funny one about that. My Swiss neighbor told me that studies found it was actually better on the environment to use the dishwasher then to hand washed. I then told her of an ancient technique that my sister showed me and that my mom actual employed until she switched to machine.

You don't run the water. You put that outdated item, the sink stopper, into the sink, fill the sink half full with water and add a few drops of washing liquid. It's amazing how much foam a few drops generate. When all the dishes are washed and piled up nice and foamy you empty the sink, rinse it and replace the stopper. You then refill the sink half way with fresh water and rinse. For those that are worried about bio soap poisoning you can do a second rinse.

It literally took me 1 year and 1 week, yes I counted and was proud of it, to go through a 750 milliliter container of liquid soap.

I don't take vacations. Why would I? I'm living in the most beautiful country on the planet.

Am I still adding to GWG's? You bet I am. I have a dream of living far away from the cities. Living a subsistent life style. Will it happen? I'm not sure that my pregnant girlfriend will go for it.

What I do know is that if we don't pull together and act, those that survive the upheavals to come will be living a subsistent life style wether they like it or not.

I was in Los Angeles 2 years ago and met a guy in a bar. I was talking to him about the next American Civil War. The issue was the government and how it didn't care about it's people (which he was adamant about). Although he was completely disillusioned with America and where it had come, he felt that the American people didn't have it in them anymore to stand up and fight for what was right.

I say that Anthony Whitehouse is very right. Forget a civil war. America and the rest of the world are 3 gas tanks away from anarchy. But only a glass of water away from insurgency.

Dear Laurence,

so good to hear from you again. Congratulations for being a father-to- be :) And thank you for showing that it isn't so hard to live environmentally friendly- I particularly loved the dishwashing-lesson :)))

I don't think you need to be afraid, Laurence. Even if we can destroy the world as we know it, we cannot destroy life itself. Fear is actually the one thing that can keep us from hearing the true solutions, as it comes from a limited perspective. The wider perspective, even if we can't always access it, tells us that we are always safe, no matter what.

"Go jolly! Go with a winning spirit!"

I second that!

Love to all,
Kristin

POSTED ON BEHALF OF DR STEVE HOWARD -- AN ATCA CONTRIBUTOR

Dear DK and Colleagues

Re: The Emissions Terminator

In the US, their states have been described as the laboratories of democracy. State legislation paves the way for Federal legislation time after time.

California has a special place in America and has a good record on the environment. California putting emissions reductions targets into legislation puts them broadly on par with Kyoto signatories. It brings US Federal action that much closer.

This is a big deal and should be celebrated by anyone concerned about climate chaos. Of course there is more to be done and as Anthony Whitehouse pointed out transport is a huge problem, no where more so than in the Western US. But lets not forget - - it is not that California is doing nothing on transport -- in fact, they have passed a bill to drive up fuel efficiency and are being sued by the automotive sector as their reward.

The Climate group hosted an event in Long Beach California one month ago with Governor Schwarzenegger, Prime Minister Tony Blair and a group of business leaders. The business leaders issued a statement calling for decisive action: this landmark bill is exactly that. At a press conference afterwards I introduced the Governor as the emissions terminator - so far he has earned the title.

Best wishes

Steve Howard

Dr Steve Howard is the CEO of The Climate Group which he co-founded in late 2003. He is also a founding member of HSBC's Carbon Management Task Force. Prior to his role with The Climate Group, Steve was a Partner in ERM where he led the work on Corporate Social Responsibility. Previously he was the founding Director of the Global Forest and Trade Network for WWF International, where he led an international team involved in advising 700 companies on forest and supply chain issues. He was also Chairman of the UK Forest Stewardship Council where he helped achieve a far-reaching consensus on a national forest certification standard. Steve was founding Chairman of the Tropical Forest Trust from 1999 to 2004, which he helped establish the response to the need for ethically sourced tropical timber. He has a first class honours degree in ecology and a PhD in environmental physics based on work as a Senior Fellow at the International Centre for Research in Agroforestry in Kenya. Over the course of his career Steve has worked in more than thirty countries. In December 2005 he was named by Scientific American magazine as a Policy Leader within the SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN 50 - the magazine's prestigious annual list recognizing outstanding acts of leadership in science and technology from the last year. He was recently named as one of 6 Climate Crusaders in a special issue of Time International.

POSTED ON BEHALF OF MICHAEL HARRISON -- AN ATCA CONTRIBUTOR

Dear DK and Colleagues

Re: Today California - tomorrow the USA - thereafter the World?

A frequently recurring theme within ATCA recently has been about countries, people and their leaders not listening -- or not hearing. When we hear that California is proposing "Anti-Global Warming" measures we can have two immediate reactions - the first is the negative "who do they think they are, and it's typical that they think that they can affect the whole World;" the second is the very positive "this will make the USA in general start to listen which actually COULD affect the whole World."

California is a major World Economy and is extremely powerful within the USA - disliked and ridiculed by some, envied by others, but none the less Powerful. When Californians complain then people elsewhere tend to listen and take notice (because the general view from outside is that they have little to complain about).

Of course we can all take the view of Anthony Whitehouse (I have spent hours on Interstate 5 side by side with many others and the transport challenge is huge) - but I would far rather that the World in general take a positive view and make all sorts of flattering positive comments about the leadership in this important subject coming from California. Who cares if they are jumping on a bandwagon? Who cares of they take the credit when perhaps they are not quite so deserving of it? If by so doing they get the majority of the US administrators to think that they can support such legislation and not be tarred and feathered by industry then they will have done everyone a great favour - because if the USA follows California then other countries cannot use (as they currently do) the "we won't until they do" excuse.

Global warming was not - still is not by many - regarded as a serious subject in the circles of Power and Influence in the USA. Just like tobacco, the dangers were ignored because the lobby was far too powerful - and it needed a powerful politician to declare unequivocally that the actual facts were too important to allow political influencing to hide them any more. But more than that - his view needed positive publicity because the other side had everything to lose if he won.

This is the same position today - and we need to provide that Positive Publicity to allow a still struggling plant to survive and grow.

Best wishes


Michael Harrison

Michael Harrison is the Chairman of the UK's Protecting Critical Information Initiative and Harrison Smith Associates (HSA), based in London. He established HSA in 1991, which he still Chairs, following a successful career in senior management and marketing positions. Among the companies for which he has worked at the highest level are: Hawker Siddeley Dynamics as director; Eurocom Data Holdings (part of NatWest) as group director; BT Mobile Communications as director; Data Logic (part of Raytheon) as director and president; Telub Inforum Services (part of FFV Group of Sweden) as President; and L-3 Communications Network Security as President. During his career Michael has gained experience of working with US and European companies, has carried out business in some 29 countries, and spent over a year in Tokyo establishing a new company for Raytheon.

Some groovy, and heavy, reading going on here!

Nice post (ref. 19) LPB! I sympathize with your positive outlook on the future Dr. Peppers, but regrettably I do not see the U.S. curbing it's prodigious energy consumption; hence more interlopings into oil rich nations until somebody stops us . . .

peace all