Dear DK

Re: Question of Our Survival from a Genius -- "In a world that is in chaos politically, socially and environmentally, how can the human race sustain another 100 years?" -- Prof Stephen Hawking

MY ANSWER: Compatibility with environment; combined with the ability/luck/good fortune to stay healthy and work; will be the new wave of tomorrow's to come. Abolishment of war as a means to end/deal with country-to-country contentious issues. NO country is to rape another, for it's oils or wealths. Society has been grooming the world for the strongest, the healthiest, the most intelligents, the most beautiful(male & female) and the richest for thousands of years. This, must now be our undoing.. because to continue on this path, brings us back to pre-golden-age.... where poverty/disease/death was rampant, for all those, not fitting into the higher income bracket! Top that off with global warming, and all it will imply... is rather a dreadful worry. We are a dog-eat-dog society, very spoiled and energy/resource wasteful in our "ways." We've become cold, giving so little to the poor, the homeless and the forgotten to live on... we must begin "there." It hurts us as a human race, to choose to waste & destroy, rather than build... healthy nations of people.

Deep respect to Dr Hawking, ATCA, et al...

North

Dear DK

The greatest scientist ever to have lived on this earth, Sir Isaac Newton once said "If I have seen farther, then it was by standing on the shoulders of giants."

Sir Isaac Newton calculated basics, homely science such as Gravity and light....he simply observed what was going on around him for a lateral point of view....from a simple investigative point of view... and he made some very remarkable discoveries and took the ideas of others to another level and so have people done with his uncoverings since then.

If you flip a coin into mid air...it spins out there spinning and gravity will surely pull it back towards the ground...nothing mysterious about this...it falls back towards the ground because of the fact that the planet you are on is spinning round and round causing a gravitational force, pulling all matter inwards...very simple.

A coin is itself a binary value...there are two possibilities... heads or tails!....just like 0 and 1

if you flick one coin there are 2 possible outcomes, if you throw up in the air a whole bunch of coins then there are more possible outcomes than just 2...

I am well in to amature astronomy, but for me Stephen Hawking is someone who is not very brilliant at all, even though he must understand countless things to do with Maths or Physics that I probably will never know.

I find his life long work rather amusing actually, who would spend their life trying to answer a question that is unanswerable?

He is no more intriguing than the guy who talks about the lottery before it has been drawn...

I may speculate my house may collapse in ten minutes from now due to an earthquake......

Where is my Nobel prize???

Earthquakes exist do they not....we can prove that because they have happened before... and I am sitting in a house...... and it is most likely that I will be here ten minutes from now because I was here ten minutes before now.

So like a black holes...... I may be experiencing an earthquake at my house in ten minutes.....

It is possbile, the same as DNA is possible and light is possible, electricity is possible, Gravity is possible.

The full understanding of these things is that they are just and simply just one of many possibilitites, like the coin that is flicked into the air...

Everything is possible and because everything is possible then it opens up a void of unanswerable questions that minds try to answer.

A reason for such things... is mind based... Reason, Pattern, levels, continuity are all related to the human mind...the attention in the head... if this so then this must be that and that is this and there should be and so on... and so on.. untill the questions and answers dwindle in to infinity...

Why do they dwindle in to infinty?..because the true source is Infinite possibilitites.

How do you try and contain something that is totaly beyond answers or measures?

The mind can think and make equations based on patterns, measurements........ the heart and the source of your being are not interested in knowing for knowing is pointless.

All things exist in the now...there is nothing but this moment, if you decide to consider trillions of light years away from here, even though there is no here and there...then you have subscribed to an idea, an idea of trillions of light years away....the truth is there is no distance at all...there is no direction.... there is the now and your field of consciousness in the now.

Once you surrender to the now then your field of awareness is absoloute without any concepts of here and there...any concepts of space and time are just that endless possibilitites that can be thought of and may even be possible...infact they are possible because everything is possible by the grace of the now.

Think of the most beautiful or Horrid thing you could possibly concieve...even imagine a Black hole or a super nova or anything beyond or inbetween them things.......and it is possible.

A Man walking down a busy street in London suddenly is struck on the head by a microwave oven and is killed as the result of a domestic argument that took place in an apartment 10 floors up above the street...

Before microwave ovens were invented.. It was not possible for this person to be hit on the head by one!!

The coin was still spinning up until a microwave oven was invented and then produced and this couple having the domestic bought one and eventually it was thrown out of thier window.

I may open a can of coke in 5 minutes and it might explode in my face...........

Why?

Because cans of cokes exist...they dont have to exist...same as human beings do not have to exist.... or planet earth does not need to exist...but the coin fell and it does exist..and it can explode in my face because I have a face and I opened a can of coke!!!

They exist out of endless possibilitites.

Very easy.

Black holes out of endless possibility...there is no point to them...they are there because o star died...why did a star die...because it can. Just like the microwave oven can.

Simon

Dear DK

Stephan Hawking is certainly one of those people I would like to share some new concepts with, to see if it triggered any insights, breakthroughs, or an epiphany in him.

Notice he mentioned "aliens". There are some things that went on during the Cuban missle crises (where we almost had a nuclear war) that I gathered directly from chance meetings with people involved and what happened was pretty bizzare, there was some type of intervention by something both in the US and USSR.

In fact I was born that year in Ipswich, my father was in the military, the Airforce and we were stationed at Bentwaters AFB. He had Top Secret clearance and later worked at the Pentagon, but that is a whole other story and I am trying to put it all together still.

But to sum it up I wouldn't assume that we haven't been visited in some "manner" and I would also say that there were things known that became forgotten.

I don't think anything can ensure we survive as we are now for the next 100 years. But take the Mayans for example their empire just vanished yet there are still some descendants around.

Here is the answer.

The human race can survive another 100 years if we survive the next six years:

1. Engineer Ego out of the systems, allowing an almost autonmous collective will to be in control and or larger numbers to make decisions made by individuals or small groups.

2. Eliminate fear

3. Undergo a radical change in belief systems

4. Integrate spirituality with technology

5. Seek the dissolution of ignorance through the propagation of intelligence and expansion of awareness

6. Provide everyone access to the Internet so they can engage in communication and participate in the "collective" mind.

7. Implement the new energy system

8. Implement the universal information system

9. Teach wisdom

10. Rock dust and Amaranth

Mankinds greatest threat is ego integrated with ignorance, if we can integrate it with wisdom we should do just fine.

Richard

Dear DK

I had a dream: upon ones death, life review commences but in a radically different form than commonly imagined.

It consists of a complete vista of the universe, its pain and pleasure, the enslavement of spirit to the ego, glimmers of hope, bawdy laughter, tears, whispers, lovers whispering, and sullen sighs. Life caressing itself with rowdy bursts of unreconcilable differentiation.

Upon completion, every single human who has undergone this dazzling survey gets to choose whether the game will continue or cease, exercising with a single nod their ultimate freedom of choice concerning the fate of the universe.

And in my dream, not a single human being who has passed has ever chosen to extinguish the dance. Not one single person.

In another dream two weeks later, I experienced another sort of life review: I could hear the voices of all the people I'd known just outside my hospital door (it helped that at the time, I was actually in the hospital). I was being prepared for final, public judgement as a guy named Bill, the man in charge of all, was flying in from out of town, soon arriving to hear my plea and declare my fate.

As I constructed my defense in my mind, more and more people from my past crowded just outside my door, their tone more and more strained and adamantine, my excuses for injuries inflicted hopelessly obfuscated.

I became terrified.

Suddenly it occurred to me to cede my right to defend myself. It was an impossible situation anyway, and I was surely carrying guilt of the ages, cornered. I gave up half in protest.

The voices abated, and I died peacefully.

Two vastly different death stories. But in both cases, force was relinquished, and surrender was the holy thing we do.

All of us do it, Abraham AND Isaac. And maybe even Sweet God Itself.

Dana

I don't think any of it would matter if we didn't love it so much.

danashields,

Hello! We hope you are getting better,

and recovering from your stay in the hospital.

Those were a couple of eye-opening,

"Please, don't wake me up till it's over",

optional, "take your pick of an ending",

"What Dreams May Come" to be!

And...you're quite the story teller, good job!

"Surrender...surrender,

but don't give your Self away!" Cheap Trick

Rock~N~Roll Optimistic, Keith~

Dear DK, ATCA, Mallika & Co,

Thank you for bringing one of the world's wonders to our attention. He is a genius in his field.

There's something about him, his life and his work that makes me feel very humble.

Genetic Engineering...he is brave to even bring it up. Look how far we've gone with the T-cell debate. Clone a sheep? Holy Hell raised it's ugly head! The majority will not let anyone play God.

They may let you tweak corn plants a bit, potatoes too; but I think the Nation will stay conservative on this one, for at least a few decades.

Aliens? We'll know the Truth soon. I've heard the testimony of several high-ranking Military retirees. They are coming to the end of their lives and they have a lot to say. They speak calmy and in a very straight-forward manner.

Carl Jung had another way of looking at UFOs. I'll let Richard inform us, if he would like.

Keith

Actually Keith, I need to not be spending time here like I am. But I caught your comment. I was not aware of Carl Jungs perspective, so I googled it and within minutes, I became aware. But you can explain if you want by his ither way of looking at them.

Jung also coined the term Synchronicity, which is related to the improbability factor and very pertinent to providng a proof of an all pervasive intelligence.

Stephen Hawking! I think he's Awesome! Heard a lot abt him and that thought provoking question of his evoking responses from so many. I think, lot of people are thinking on those lines. Those are definitely some serious issues of the world we live in.

I loved the word he got in there CHAOS!! Apt description of many parts of the world. In all depts. Humans do have this wonderful ability of Self destruction. It shudn't surprise us, if we land into that hole. But, also on the other hand they have this wonderful ability of Bouncing back from tragedies. So...they create tragedies for themselves and then take Great pride in how they managed to get out of it. They call it Resilience:)

This really is a big topic for discussion, but I just wanted to present my perspec on it.

As Deepak and Dalai lama wud say...if a change has to occur, it has to occur inside first. Any external changes will be futile as long as the inside is corrupted, becoz sooner or later the inside will take over and corrupt the external again and again.

Peace..Sachin

Dear DK,

I love "Being" useful.

There was an insight I gained from Brian Swimme that I had been unaware of. It is a scientific revelation on par and even greater then the world transformative revelation of Copernicus. Just like the Copernicus revelation it is disturbing to some belief systems.

It also supports the great revelation to come on 11 11 06.

It is in fact again, world transformative and takes us into the Mind Age. History repeats itself.

That is.... "no matter" where you are, "your point of presence" (POP), the universe is expanding away from you.

If you can understand the ramifications, it is mind blowing (literally ego mind). Also if you ever got a galactic decoder ring in your cereal box, and understand how to decode language it says more than that. "no matter where you are". What does that really say? Language has embedded intelligence.

BIOGRAPHY OF DR. BRIAN SWIMME
Dr. Brian Swimme is a mathematical cosmologist on the graduate faculty of the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco. He received his Ph.D. (1978) from the University of Oregon specializing in gravitational dynamics, mathematical cosmology and singularity theory. Swimme was a faculty member in the Dept. of Mathematics and Physics at the University of Puget Sound in Tacoma, Washington from 1978-1981. He was a member of the faculty at the Institute for Culture and Creation Spirituality at Holy Names College in Oakland, California from 1983-1989.

Brian Swimme’s primary field of research is the nature of the evolutionary dynamics of the Universe. Swimme brings us a meaningful interpretation of the human as an emergent being within the Universe and Earth. His central concern is the role of the human within the Earth community. Toward this goal, in 1989, Swimme founded the Center for the Story of the Universe, a production and distribution affiliate of the California Institute of Integral Studies.

Infinite Regard,

Richard

Dear DK, thankyou for catching the truth within my thoughts... in #9.

North

DK Matai, thanks for your response. That sort of surrender (forgiveness) is exactly what was meant.

As far as the question, "How can the human race survive another 100 years," I'd have to ask what the "human race" is and what "survive" means.

The human race--as refinded in terms of current participants--dies in its entirety every 120 years or so. So to that extent, we are doomed absolutely.

Or are we talking about its genes? If we're talking about the underlying code, techically has not the mammoth survived on ice?

The question reminds me of James Taylor's Frozen Man.

Are we talking about our knowledge? Or witnesses to our knowledge?

When I was a young boy, I used to wear an Apollo 11 t-shirt. It was an odd thing, where most boys were interested in football and intrigued, though still grossed out, by girls.

My wife recently admitted that she had been a fervent fan of astronauts and even had built a small model of Apollo 11.

We found each other, even though we never made it into a space program. Maybe the entire cold war and space programs were designed to bring Jann and me together...

Personally, I think things are going swimmingly better than they could have...

"I don't know the answer"

Brilliant!!

The reason why Alien's have not visited:

If we can't tolerate our own brothers and sisters, what chance do little green men have?

When we have evolved enough to love unconditionally, they will come.

Dear Dk,
It's amazing that an eminent scientist like Stephen Hawking -- even I have heard of him -- can show an interest in the opinions of the Internet communities. He may not like, though, my response.

I believe we are already too late in stopping global warming (but I do believe in miracles!).

I want to share an excerpt that some of you might not have seen yet.

"New Climate Change 'Time Bomb' Detected
Melting Permafrost Frees More Gases That Trap Heat
By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP

WASHINGTON (Sept. 7) - Global warming gases trapped in the soil are bubbling out of the thawing permafrost in amounts far higher than previously thought and may trigger what researchers warn is a climate time bomb.

Methane - a greenhouse gas 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide - is being released from the permafrost at a rate five times faster than thought, according to a study being published Thursday in the journal Nature. The findings are based on new, more accurate measuring techniques.

"The effects can be huge," said lead author Katey Walter of the University of Alaska at Fairbanks said. "It's coming out a lot and there's a lot more to come out."

Scientists worry about a global warming vicious cycle that was not part of their already gloomy climate forecast: Warming already under way thaws permafrost, soil that has been continuously frozen for thousands of years. Thawed permafrost releases methane and carbon dioxide. Those gases reach the atmosphere and help trap heat on Earth in the greenhouse effect. The trapped heat thaws more permafrost and so on.

"The higher the temperature gets, the more permafrost we melt, the more tendency it is to become a more vicious cycle," said Chris Field, director of global ecology at the Carnegie Institution of Washington, who was not part of the study. "That's the thing that is scary about this whole thing. There are lots of mechanisms that tend to be self-perpetuating and relatively few that tend to shut it off."

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press.

Also I think that humanity is heading towards enlightenment and I have an interest in what Dr Hawkins has to say. With his books he "has overwhelmingly demonstrated how the cold light of science has finally confirmed what mystics and saints have claimed for centuries about the self, God, and the very nature of reality."

I am confused about the use of "vicious cycle". Should it be "vicious circle"? Isn't a cycle by definition destined to end? That would be great. But I am afraid this is just American usage.

Love,

Donatella

"This world has to be loved, this world has to be respected, this world has to be your temple, your mosque your church. This world has to be your gratefulness, your gratitude. Enlightenment is not something of another world. Enlightenment happens now and here."

Osho Rajneesh

North,

What you are describing in post #1: "Society has been grooming the world for the strongest, the healthiest, the most intelligents, the most beautiful(male & female) and the richest for thousands of years." Is not so much "society" doing it as nature itself.

"Survival of the fittest" (the weakest antelope in the pack gets eaten which in turn strengthens the pack)is the law of nature. However, the next step in human evolution is "self-directed" evolution. As humans with a neo-cortex, we are the first species that can choose the direction of our evolution. We are the first species that has the option to choose differently. On a very basic, biological level(as well as Spiritual level), all of our current conflicts and problems are based on this very simple law of nature: "The strongest survive". The paradox here is that this law that once helped us survive as a species will now be the downfall of the human race. What Dr. Hawkings proposes with our expansion into space is the only choice IF we remain slaves to our first chakra (survival instincts); however, if we choose to listen to our higher selves, life can be sustained on this planet AND we can expand outward with gained wisdom.

So I guess what I'm saying North is that I agree with your premise that we need to move beyond our base instincts. There is nothing inherently "wrong" with survival of the fittest, only that our technology and knowledge has turned this at one time very helpful law into the avatar of our destruction.

Peace,
Scott.

Here is the "major" solution it is all on Infinite Play The Movie with proper credits, acknowlegements and sources. I am trying to get investors together to build a supply chain. you should see the carrots.

infiniteplaythemovie.com/rock_dust_earth_remineralization.aspx or click my name

significantly less than 3.2 tons of pulverized silicate rock per acre of soil would be required to be added each year to halt the buildup of atmospheric CO2 because the weathering of the silicate minerals in the top soil releases trace elements which increase the productivity of tree and plant growth (Hamaker et al, 1982), sometimes by as much as a factor of four times. The increase of plant productivity would increase the storage of carbon in vegetation living above ground and in the underlying soils as well as increase the rate at which organic debris is deposited in ocean sediments. When factoring in the increased productivity of plant life, it can therefore be estimated that the average amount of pulverized silicate rock required world wide to halt the buildup of atmospheric CO2 is in the range of 0.8 to 3.2 tons per acre, assuming a halt to world wide deforestation. Increases in the value of agricultural crops and timber products resulting from adding pulverized silicate rock to soils would offset part of the cost of applying the pulverized silicate rock to the soils world wide. When other benefits of soil remineralization are factored in, such as saving dying forests, reducing world wide hunger and disease, averting disastrous climatic changes, and saving precious top soil, the cost of worldwide soil remineralization can be repaid many times over.

there are about 15 factors which control the atmospheric CO2 content but indicated that the primary control factor is the rate of weathering of silicate rocks, such as granite, basalt, gneiss and extrusive volcanic rocks. Silicate rocks contain significant quantities of calcium and magnesium, As the silicate rocks weather, the calcium and magnesium combine with atmospheric CO2 to ultimately form calcium carbonate and magnesium carbonate (Urey, 1952; Berner, 1991) which is deposited primarily in the oceans in the form of limestone and dolomite deposits. The CO2 is ultimately returned to the atmosphere by volcanic eruptions.

The long-term survival of the human race will be safe only if we spread out into space, and then to other stars!!!
Prof Hawking really thinks large (physically)!!

But i think if we pause to explore our mind with half as much seriousness as we pursue physical sciences,we can discover a new face of homo- sapiens that is kind,loving and giving,and grown up!.This new mature format of this species will have the potential to make most of the world's problems (like terrorism,war,matrimonial discords etc.)vanish into thin air.It will have the potential to disarm countless garrisons without even using a single gun.

Dear DK,as I said earlier,without Love-education the human race will continue to remain a travesty of humanity and has very bleak chances of experiencing the joy of being a human.They will continue fearing eachother and the nature.Its high time we made a beginning in this direction.

good points ved... so many people are raised right from birth, with absolutely NO love, no physical embraces..other than perhaps abusive kinds...

studying social/psychological behaviours in college; we studed eferal(typo?) children(children raised with wolves/dogs, etc.)

but, I would always argue; that there MUST be varying levels/degree's of eferalism in most people as so many people, have never known the concept of love... they know, no affections.

then exhibitfear/maltrust/introvert/isolation and distortions of perspectives, etc... so, with no love/compassion, they would know only pain of a void hope.

ved, you are ON to something!! Why aren't we investing more on the minds pandora's box?

Perhaps when we stop putting loveless people in box's and find out what makes them tic.. we can have a resolve.. globally!

After all, studies point to the facts that the richest countries in the world, with the highest working forces... are the highest users of anti-depressants and pain killers, sleeping aides....

North

Another excellent thread with awesome comments from all!

I too choose to believe that is the ulimate destiny of humankind, to overcome our animalistic 'survival of the fittest' mentality, by freeing ourselves from this vicious cycle by everybody choosing to have everybody survive.

Another re-wording of JC's golden rule :)

peace all

Awesome post, Donatella. I happened to see that same article today, too.

Imagine that we're sitting right in the middle of a massive planet-detonation and we don't even know it (after all, how would we know until we knew?).

If, say, consciousness on ANY planet doesn't get it til they get it, and just when they've gotten it, they GET it, well then I'm starting to get it.

I'm with Scott in terms of the evolution of evolution. But I'm not sure if we have choice beyond limits of our hardwiring. Maybe, and it would be REALLY juicy stuff if we did!

Personally, I think we've undergone some highly compelling social pressures that have compelled us to participate in unsustainable population growth.

Democracy where it's one man, one vote.

The Church where it's one man, one coin.

Each means you're under a great deal of social coercion to propagate and enhance someone's base of power.

The only system that we seem to have advanced beyond this one-to-one relationship is in the art of war (where it's almost any man infinite victims).

I wonder if humans, earthbuds, possess any self-regulating mechanisms? For example, if you set aside the tragedy of AIDS, is natural inclination (as well as peer-shaping) toward homosexuality a mechanism encoded in our genes?

Are there conditions where primates engage in homosexual behavior more than usual? Are we in similar circumstances? Are the ravages of AIDS actually something that are destroying this natural mechanism by posing threats of all sorts to the individual?

Seems to me that this can't have been the first instance in modern time that a species bumped up against the four walls of its environment. What did they do? How did they adapt?

"Survival of the fittest" is not the conclusion

that was proposed by Darwin and Lamarck.

"Adaptation to changes in the enviroment" is the key

element for those who survived and those who did not.

Being "in the right place at the right" time brings

a certain amount of luck, or good fortune, into

the equation.

Adapting the behaviors of similar species who were

obviously prospering was another way that homo sapiens

evolved. Eventually those with the best

genetics to alter their forms or mimic color patterns

were at a distinct advantage.

The clue to the Truth then lies in this order.

1.Changes in 'behavioral' patterns and methods

caused or created a 'need' for tools and techniques.

"Necessity IS the Mother of invention."

Moths using 'camouflage' to mimic tree barks

and butterflies is a simple example.

Except for the fact that the moths did not

conciously or with intention produce this effect.

Mother Nature is the creative culprit here.

A tweak here...500yrs. later a tweak there, etc.

2. Genetics provided the tools, unawares of the

creative forces 'choosing' thru 'selection'(death)

those who were bypassed for a more obvious meal.

The survivor's gave birth and mutations brought about more

possibilities from which to choose.

.

Intuition has it's roots deeply planted in

'choices' made by the larger vertabrate species.

How did they know the Savannah was the new Garden of Eden?

How did they know that "the grass WAS greener

on the other side of the hill" or across the

rift that cut thru Africa?

Good thing for us, our ancestors were explorers

who followed their 'gut instincts', unafraid

to try something new.

Those who were already mutated sufficiantly to

weather the new enviro-mental habitat stood a better chance

of 'reproducing'. So..."survival of the fittest to reproduce"

is another factor in evolutionary strength.

.

I really have no business or professional expertise

to dawdle and post on these 'matters' of such

great importance and I could have read it incorrectly.

It is a complex subject, I have read a few books.

Nature is Creative and we have no free-will

to stop mutations or the advancement of our species.

Evolve, we must...and are, with every birth

of a human 'being' a human with a few lousy choices.

We don't just want or need to...we have to, we must!

The average span of a vertabrate species is only

20 million years, give or take a million...not much Time left.

I don't have a book in front of me.

Please excuse all mistakes and obvious f---ups.

I have to behave like I'm getting ready to go bowling.

FYI me back with corrections, all ye who are willing and able.

Smiling is a behavioral response...just DO IT!

DK Matai,

I relate to your point entirely.... and yes you are right in a sense that Stephen Hawking is a brilliant man..... from the point of view of searching then what the professor has researched and spoken about is very probable and is valid...it may even be ground breaking research.

I accept that no problem.

From the point if you like to call it a point that I view everything....and with everything I mean all possibilities everywhere... and more to the point Nowhere... nowhere for me is the same as NOW-HERE....in the now.

Then Stephen Hawking is a fool, from that sense...

ok I do not mean anything personal by that remark.... but let me explain why I say he is a fool and many like him.

If I were to say to someone with the most basic knowledge of mathematics. answer me this question... What is nothing multiplied by infinity?

errrmmm!.....

for some peoplke the answer is Nothing,

for me the answer is infinity...because nothing is infinity....no-thing is the source of every-thing.

The mind will never accept that, but the mind is nothing but a possibility..... you may assume that the mind is the ultimate apparatus for knowing the answer to the questions of all things but infact it does not even remotely come close to having the attention to understand the very source of your being or the very source of the universe.

It is totaly ok to do scientific experiments and use the mind to judge and make decisions based upon latteral thought, there is nothing wrong with that at all... I am not saying that.

Look at antibiotics for example?.... to animals antibiotics were used and known about for millions of years, very simple...mankind used the mind and used his thoughts to realise these things, antibiotics have preserved my life and maybe even yours to.

And so it goes on... there are many many other things we have yet to discover as a collective....... The divine source is as such that things like antibiotics are possible, just the same as Illness and death are possible along with birth and life that are possible also..

They are not deliberate you understand.. they are simply possible...

they are just different sides of the coin.

another possibility I might throw in to the arena here and this is the same as throwing up the possibilites of black holes and dark matter and whatever else...' it is all possible right!

The human Being.which is simply a being that exists..no reason for it to exist...it is just the result of endless choice and endless possibilities.nothing deliberate about it!...this being may move forward within the field of possibilitites, to an understanding beyond that of the mind based sense, beyond the condition of thought, and if that happens which is again just a possibility as was it's very existence, if that does happen then overcoming unfathomable questions like space travel or manipulation of space and time is possible also.

Possible..........

but not neccasery on a divine scale, knowing the dimensions of God are pointless unless you surrender to no dimensions. Then you will know everything because you need to know nothing.

Dear north
I think we aren't investing in love because,by definition,love survives on 'giving',a word that is anathema to 'profiteering'.The driving force behind all the work that is done today is money.So our minds have also started working in the way money works.And the whole point is that we need to separate the working of mind from that of money.Let the two work independently in their true and mutually reverse ways and you shall enjoy the best of both.But it is easier said than done,given the deep inroads that money mentality has made into the minds today.That's why it is a must that we start investing in Love-education in a big way right away.And institutions like ATCA can certainly help initiating it.I have myself seen how profound its effects are if it is taught step by step with all questions answered rationally.

Keith, I just landed on your post above. Anyway, those were some cool things you said.

Thank you!

Hey Donatella, I wrote about the permafrost on here on Aug 31, interesting that they published a story about it on Sep 6th.

Although not related I have an advantage over the world scientists because I understand that the earth and everything on it was engineered. They still believe in evolution. The fundamentalists would claim "God" the theory of creation, but God would not need to develop the planet in a staged process. So that leaves one option. One would assume it was the same people that taught natives advanced chemical extration methods. The kind of thing not discovered by accident.

It is because of the limiting beliefs held that many cannot see what is right in front of their nose.

The other thing that can give one an advantage is to understand there is an all pervading intelligence operating with objectives.

Last but not least the very foundation of physics is flawed and that is why everyone is sort of stuck.

There is a perceptual leap that needs to be made.

The biggest obstacle to progress is ego because no one wants to admit they were wrong or they fail to let go of their attach

Thats okay, because that gives those that are not an advantage and it is the enlightened minds that one would want to have an advantage.

DK: I'm a bit deliquent in submitting this consideration as most would find the material to be more correctly placed within the topical nature of your blog regarding "Climate Chaos"; however, after reading most of the blogs submitted by ATCA that are currently an active part of the ongoing discussions as of 9/8......

.....well, I recently saw a fabulous piece from the PBS Nova series called "The Dimming of the Sun;" it's also coined as "global dimming," and indeed is directly, or significant even indirectly, and quite pertinent in one way or another to a number of your current posts.

This documentary explores yet another series of variable whose magnitude-of-impact is every bit equal to that of the GHG's known effects on global warming; to date this factor has served as something of a literal "lid" and protective measure that has unwittingly slowed global warming's potential acceleration to date; and yet, this same factor is also a "lit fuse" regarding another hidden trigger that could significantly accelerate both the permafrost and ocean floor methane hydrates--let alone.......

......well, this film, or it's transcripts (pbs.org) is/are definitely worth a review by anyone who consider's climate chaos a worthwhile understanding: "To be forewarned is to be forearmed!"

The information given in this work definitely directly relates to all aspects of life in Great Britain (and it's "Commonwealth" nations!), India, China, and much of Asia (and the Americas, of course!).

Sooooo......DK, in time, maybe you would consider a future blog on this component of global climate-change factors (at least the ones we know of to date!).

As always, ATCA's and Philanthropia's truly insightful and Socratically-presented dialogue materials are of immense fascination, let alone the practical and down-to-earth discussions generated in response from the posters/respondents. Much Love--Dave

Dear Dana,
Thanks for your kind comment.
I've enjoyed your posts about alternative energy sources. Also, those dreams were really eye-opening and that's beautiful.
Love,
Donatella

Dear Richard,
You were right in your post on Aug. 31. You said it first. I hope you are right also about the solutions to that problem. Good luck.

I agree about the necessary leap in perception.
Love,
Donatella