you know the song,

in your heart,

buzka,

love, Passion,

Are you afraid of dying Deepak Chopra?

THE CURE FOR DYING

“You accept death because you accept birth.
Forget these rumors that you were ever born.
That is the true and only cure for dying.”

~Deepak Chopra now professing traditional
wisdom after his enlightened take on genetics
and cutting-edge physics and ridicule across the globe.

***

Don’t accept birth.
You were never born, only rumored.
Your body and mind are
Not yours. Some alien’s.
(but better first be on LSD or Indian ganja)

Animals- cats, dogs, rats,
Plants- plantains, potatoes, tomatoes,
Insects- flies, mosquitoes, hornets,
Only they are born. Not humans!

They don’t remember their birth.
You don’t remember your birth.
So you’re an animal, a plant or an insect.
Be like them. They do not worry death.

There is no birth, no death.
It’s only in your Western screwed up mind.
Follow a Hindu guru and lose your mind.
How can you die if you are not born?

~White Wings

http://whitewings.sulekha.com/blogs/blogdisplay.aspx?cid=101852

Thanks Dr. Chopra for basing your arguments on mythology rather than on psuedo-science.

"THANKFULLY, Dr. Chopra has slipped into some more comfortable clothes, and left the pseudo-scientific strawmen arguments based on 'random chemical reactions', 'tricky causastion', 'past life experiences' and noncontextual 'intellect', to further his ontological musings.

ALSO, no one who tacitly supported such supernatural notions dared explain the phenomena i posted, which are nicely included in a dialogue based on genetics, proteonomics and medical science. HOW predictable.

ONE brave poster attempted to provide a definition of 'now', and i did appreciate his/her thoughts.

CONSIDER: you have just had a baby... but there are some problems... initially poor feeding and muscle tone in infancy... but later, paradoxically, abnormally increased eating... and frank obesity in childhood. YOUR child has some odd facial features... and is not reaching cognitive milestones... and mental retardation with learning disabilities is evident. YOU find your child also has behavioral problems which include OCD, and antisocial traits. Sadly, your child's puberty is delayed and suffers from sciolosis and short stature as well.

IS this the result of deficits in your parenting skills... or lack of a nurturing environment? PERHAPS this child has willfully not apprehended the Cosmic Consciousness or taken advantage of a past-life experiences... or worse, perhaps there is just 'no cause' at all, since we all inhabit an utterly acausal, random Quantum Universe.

BUT WAIT! YOUR neighbor, who has a background in pediatric developmental disorders makes an outrageous suggestion: perhaps there is a genetic basis for all of these seemingly disparate problems.

EUREKA... you have just received the news... but what is Prader-Willi? WELL, it's certainly not 'spooky action at a distance'.

NO indeed... it's a syndrome CAUSED by a SPECIFIC deletion on chromosome 15 (15q11.2-q13) or a rearrangement of the same area. IT is not diagnosed by paranormal, psychic investigations, but by mundane molecular genetic testing.

NOW... shall we discuss Fragile X or a hundred others?

SHEESH!" -Spinoza

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-cure-for-dying_b_32088.html

Alex

Deepak: Obviously I'm one of those who does believe we can indeed unlock the storehouse of memories "prior to," via the interface with and through the immense information locked within the storehouse of the subconscious mind--for lack of a better term for the recognition that the whole mind only seems to be split into houses, and this is good for our daily lives, as we would never be able to focus our minds into everyday affairs were we to be constantly bombarded by the full magnitude of what is stored within the soul's collective of memories.

It is easy enough to say that access to such a storehouse is merely the mind inserting wishful thinking, or even "programmed memories," such as we're seeing come forward in cases of early childhood sexual abuse emerging years later, when in fact, no such abuses had actually occurred--tricky stuff, very tricky.

The same could be said of the near-death experience, and all of the enormously broad-and-deep experiential activities that occur for "the departed one"--the traveller, so to speak--being nothing more than the synaptic firings that are simply the activity of the brain as it is progressing through the retreat of life force from the body--only to suddenly, or steadily at other times, suddenly regain the full operating systems of the body.

Anyhow, I find it interesting that I just got a call from a Nordstrom's trainer (while writing this!) who's come to me for years for readings, as her mom just crossed over about two weeks ago--interesting stuff, always, that "comes through."

I am left with the notion, about the subtle nature of memory, and mind, seen in the question that the Adepts of the East put forward to their students: "When you woke up this morning, did you awaken during an 'in' breath (inhaling), or an 'out' breath (exhaling)?"

Now that is subtle awareness for one who can answer with certainty!

Beautiful story, Deepak, with it's profoundly deep, and yet simple reasoning--Dave

I had no idea that so many people are bothered by the fact that they don't "die" --I am thrilled.

Some of these posts make me want to write a Monty Python skit.

self "look I'm sorry to tell you this but you won't die"
skeptic "but I want to die"
self " I'm sorry but you can't die"
skeptic (stamping his feet) That's not fair everyone else dies why can't I"
self "I'm sorry to tell you this but no-one dies"
Skeptic "well I will just pretend to die then"
self " okay pretend to die then what ever makes you happy"

Deepak out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field I'll meet you there

Thank you.

Life goes on. It was before "I" was born, and it will be after "I" am dead.

But make no mistake about it. "I" was born and "I" am going to die.

Fire is everywhere in our cosmos, burning is going on. When did burning begin? When will burning end?

But a flame starts and a flame goes out.

When a candle flame goes out, you do not ask "Where did the fire go?"

It is simply out.

But Fire itself still is very prevalent everywhere.

Life will go on. But don't kid yourself. "I" will die.

When some wise person says we are never born and never die, he is not talking about your "I".

A drop is one with the ocean, but the moment it becomes a separate drop, it has consigned itself to eventually lose its separateness and become just the ocean again.

So it is with your "I," including all its treasured memories, sufferings, and attachments.

So to say we are the same as the cosmos is absolutely correct.

But that is not the experience of the "I".

Remember, you can only exist as a particle to the extent that you don't exist as a wave.

If you want to be 100% wave, and therefore non-local, you must completely give up being the particle called "I" with its localized existence.

So I say: Life will go on, and you will die.

Not only that, if you resist your death, you will lock down and limit your consciousness even more. You will lock onto "I" even more desperately, thus forgetting completely your cosmic experience.

Death and Birth are complementary as positive and negative poles of a magnetic field.

To be born is to sign up for death.

It's coming. We don't have much time. This whole life will seem like just a moment.

It is.

The reality is you're going to die, and no, you don't have time.

Paradoxically, accepting your death has the power to make you more alive.

When you know your time is up and you're a dead man, suddenly each moment of life seems so important, so rich, so full. You can't take for granted your friends, your loved ones, the sunshine, the rain, all the little moments that happen "along the way".

They become tremendously rich, beautiful and full of life when you have accepted your death.

Because you don't have time. You're know it's inevitable, you are absolutely going to die.

Suddenly each moment becomes a beautiful eternity within itself.

And that is the right way to live.

When I remember those moments of happiness I have felt in this life, there are certain things that are never present: wealth, power, the notion of being superior, for example. All of the memories connected to those things are...disappointing. This is a beautiful story you have brought us, Deepak, thanks for remembering it.

This whole fascination with death is the result of human consciousness being physicaly oriented. Consciousness can take many different shapes and forms but that does not mean that consciousness is that form at all.

I have had visions and I have also spoken to others who have became aware through meditation of beings who have no physical shape in their natural form but who are themselves able to manipulate matter such as liquids and gas and are able to take form if they choose to, I am writing a book at the moment and these beings are described in it. These beings have also conquered space travel because without a physical body they are able to move through the field of consciousness itself which is everywhere in existence and arrive at any location as quickly as you and I could think a thought. when these beings take shape it is in order to interact on a physical level, but once that interaction is done, the physical shape is dropped and they return to just being conscious.

so that is a kind of death, the shape is discarded after its purpose or will has been functioned, The human body is extremely complex compared to the bodies that these creatures fabricate, maybe it is because our level of awareness has not yet evolved to the level where by we can not function at a none physical level?

if you want to know any more about these beings you will have to read my book if and when I choose to publish it.

love Simon xx

Simon Freejohn: Definitely look forward to getting word that you have published this one! Dave

Simon, here are a few paragraphs from my book Self Designed Universe relating to what you are saying (As already I explain everything/change in term of four basic forces or interactions, moreover, 'Mosc' refers to 'Matter of Spiritual Cqtegory' or, simply Soul or Spirit - individual as well as collective. ):

*******

....The further details of these bodily adaptations we would give a little later as here our aim is to arrive at some other conclusion. In other words, from the above discussion of the changes in the shapes of bodies according to forces at our levels, here we are to speculate about the shapes species of some higher regions are likely to acquire and how these changing shapes would finally become lumps of pure light or intelligence as we have said in the first chapter, and which we have somewhere back likened to some far-off stars which would be our ultimate species.

So to resume.

First we would go to become superman in our this very layer, in our this very spiral as discussed above. Then as we would go up, go to become a part of some higher superimpositional spiral - go to become a part of some ‘higher’ level fuel layer of the rocket - the strength of gravity would go on becoming less and less. That would mean that at some higher level our Earth, in some universal upheaval, would be catapulted to some higher region where the force of gravity on it would become very very small, just as it is now small on the Moon as compared to Earth.

As gravity would be negligible at that place, the plants would have no need of such huge stems, nor animals and men of such prominent legs, nor supermen of their already too minor somethings in place of legs.

Perhaps plants at such higher regions would simply cease to exist - for they are basically the species which came into existence because of Mosc’s need to go against gravity, and when gravity would be only of marginal value plants existence would also have only marginal possibility. Animals perhaps would be like as they are now shown in some Hindu mythological texts - simply flying into air, obviously mainly because of the attractions and repulsions of the now prominent electromagnetic forces.

Men, to cut the long story short, at still some higher regions where even the electromagnetic forces would cease to dominate and give the place of prominence to strong interactions, simply because strong interactions mainly operate in the virtual realm, would develop the powers to go virtual here only to appear there, at some other place, again just as they are now shown in the same above-mentioned mythologies in the form of semi-gods or angels.

As to the bodies, animals may be having no legs only the middle bodies with comparatively larger heads than now. Men, besides having no legs may have only comparatively smaller middle bodies and may develop proportionately larger head regions (is that why some angels in Hindu mythologies are shown with more
heads than one?).

Supermen, at those or at still some higher regions, where the weak forces would be the dominating forces, simply because they would operate again at the heart region would have comparatively smaller heads and larger middle/heart portions.

Progressing thus they would ultimately become like some far-off stars. We have in our own way called them the lumps of pure light or intelligence. And have explained the relevancy between these two in some previous chapter.

Mosc or Movc acquired the various bodies because of its entanglement into four basic forces, and as it would go on disentangling from them so it would go on shedding bodies. It is reasonable to assume that ultimately shorn of all bodies, in something similar to what the scientists call the gravitational collapse of a star, it would merge again into itself.

Though only to explode again as we have already explained.

With the above-discussed change in bodies, the Universe would also go on changing its geometry as explained earlier in the case of disturbances of ice pieces or of rocket going up through water. So that when some ultimate species would crunch into Mosc, it would take away alongwith it the whole of ‘its’ Universe also, of course, with the due passage of time.

As the time available has no limit, all this must be happening even now - always. All the above-discussed species must be there somewhere even at present. We are moving up to become supermen on this Earth and so on; supermen are moving up at some higher level to become ultimately some far-off stars and so on; some far-off stars are moving up to ultimately implode into Mosc to begin the game of life anew and so on; and so on and on and on.

Thanks.

I am with David here Simon :)

Looking forward to your book.

lol, mieke, we are at it at the same time! Hugs!!

Yes Harb, i was just going to tell you the same :)
Love you

Here are the relevant verses from Chapter 2: Jnana Yoga of Bhagwad Gita:

(for more chapter translations go to: http://drishtikone.com/?q=node/3325)

# Sanjaya said, "Thus expressing (his grief) to Krishna, Arjuna said to Him,' I will not fight,' and became silent.
# "O Dhritarashtra, at that time, amidst the battle filed, with a gentle smile, Krishna spoke the following words to the grief stricken Arjuna."
# The supreme Lord said, "You are grieving for that which is not to be grieved for. Yet you are speaking like a great scholar. A true scholar would not worry about life that has ended or not ended.
# "There was never a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings. Nor will we ever cease to exist in future.
# "Just as the embodied soul passes from childhood to youth to old age, it also passes from one body to another. The undaunted person therefore is not deluded.
# "Heat and cold, pleasure and pain arise merely because of the contact of the senses with the sense objects. They are fleeting. Therefore O Arjuna, try to tolerate them.
# "O chief among men, that person is eligible for immortality who is not troubled by the sense and who is equal in both happiness and sorrow.
# "Asat (unreality) knows nothing about existence while Sat (reality) of non-existence. The seers who had the vision of both concluded thus about the two.
# "Know that which is pervading all this as indestructible. No one is capable of destroying it.
# "This physical body is perishable. But the embodied soul is described as indestructible, eternal and immeasurable. Therefore do fight O Bharata.
# "Neither the one who thinks it kills nor the one who thinks it is killed do not know the truth. This neither kills nor gets killed.
# "The soul is never born nor does it die at any time. It has neither past nor future. It is unborn, ever existing, permanent and ancient. When the body is slain neither it is killed not it kills.
# "O Partha, he who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and inexhaustible, how can he injure or kill any one?
# "Just as a man discards worn out clothes and puts on new clothes, the soul discards worn out bodies and wears new ones.
# "The soul cannot be pierced by weapons, burnt by fire, moistened by water or dried by wind.
# "The soul is impenetrable, incombustible, unchangeable, , certainly ever existing, all-pervading, fixed, immovable, and ever continuing.
# "It is said that the soul is unmanifest, incognizible,and immutable. Knowing this about the soul you should not grieve.
# "Even if you think that the soul is subject to birth and death, then also there is no cause for worry, O mighty armed.
# "It is a fact that that which is born is certain to die and that the one which has died is bound to take birth. There do not worry about doing an unavoidable.
# "All created beings were unmanifest in the beginning, manifest themselves in the middle and become unmanifest again when they die in the end. If this is so then where is the need for lamentation?
# "Some behold the soul with amazement, some speak of it with amazement. Some hear of it with amazement, yet some even after hearing about it know it not.
# "The soul that exists in the body of everyone cannot be slaughtered. Therefore you need not have to lament over the death of any living being.

cheers,
desh
drishtikone.com

put me down for an autographed, copy, Simon,
when and if you choose to publish, about these,
beings,

I'll fill you in, about the female beings,
when we meet, ;)
over a..

Love, Passion,

THE CURE FOR DYING - A REALITY

“We can’t base reality on what we don’t remember,
only on what we do. Everyone remembers being;
nobody remembers non-being.” ~ Deepak Chopra

***

An Indian Vedic guru,
The erstwhile medic who still
Claims to be a medic and a scientist,
Does not remember basic science things

He learned at school
About half a century ago,
Or understands science
As he is now ridiculed.

So don’t base reality on
Anything of genetics, biology
Physics or medicine he speaks
Out of his memory.

What does he do now?
Speculates, speculates, speculates
Cutting-edge physics and genetics
And claims he knows everything:

Soul never dies.
Consciousness lives out of mind.
There is life after death.
And if you cannot be a nonbeing – dead,
You cannot be a being - an alive human being.
So you don’t exist even if you are alive!
You are an illusion.
Base your reality on this.

~White Wings

http://whitewings.sulekha.com/blogs/blogdisplay.aspx?cid=101886

This is the song of my soul:

"zoom, just one look and then my heart went boom
suddenly, and we were on the moon
flying high in a neon sky oh

bang, just one touch and all the church bells rang
heaven called and all the angels sang
sunrise shine in a midnight sky oh

zoom, you chased the day away I knew,
the moon and stars came out to play and then
my whole wide world went

zoom, moonbeams dancing in the afternoon
shadows blowing as the roses bloom
looking down on a wonderland oh

smack, just one kiss and I was outta whack
all at once there was no turning back
oh so far above the brightest star oh

zoom, you chased the day away
I knew, the moon and stars came out to play

zoom, you chased the day away I knew,
the moon and stars came out to play and then
my whole wide world went zoom

I touched a rainbow as we went flyin’ by
faster and faster we were higher than high
for once in my life time I was finally free
and you gave that to me

(synth solo)

zoom, you chased the day away
I knew, the moon and stars came out to play oh, oh
zoom, you chased the day away I knew,
the moon and stars came out to play oh, oh
zoom, you chased the day away I knew,
the moon and stars came out to play

zoom "

Lyrics and song by: Fat Larry´s Band
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1obNhdyfSM

Thank you Desh, cheers!

When the book chooses to be ended then even if I do not have it published I will promise to put it online for you guys to read anyway.

Thank you for the information you pasted from the passages from your book, I have not read it but I will keep my eyes open for a copy, it looks very Interesting.

I remeber my mentor telling me years ago about experiences he has had and still has regarding the awareness of higher life forms or beings that are in tune with the collective conscious and a lot of what he used to say fell in with what you are speaking about Harb. He once told me about one time he was sitting in the middle of the day in Vanvouver Canada meditating in his house and he suddenly became aware of a being that actually fed off energy it was in the room with him and it was feeding from his spiritual energy, like as if it was charging itself up from all of this surplus energy my mentor had.

and he said to me that it became clear that all spiritual creatures must do this, a good example of this is if you go and visit a person who is very holy and listen to them and be in their presence for a time, you come away buzzing with an energy, or if say you get a massage from someone who is a loving and caring person the enrgy and wonderful rush of energy you get from something like that is spiritualy nurishing.

Yet you can not see this energy, you can not bottle it and sell it but we feel it all the time when positive and beautiful things are happening around us we fill up on this divine invisible tonic.

it is my favourite drink ;-)

Love Simon xx

White Wing,

I think the reason no one responded to the question you posed on another string is because people around here may be tired of you. In fact I am delighted that no one is responding to you on this string. On my way here today I was thinking that it would be great if I could read a thread on IB in which you did not hijack it and I believe this may be the one.

In a way I am going against my wishes by addressing you but trust me this will be the only time you will ever hear from me.

In answer to your question concerning the child?

How about sankara due to past life karma?

Love ya

An esoteric bookstore is where,
I drink mine, Simon,

Sure love, to meet you there,

Love, Passion,

the cure for dying is........

Understanding.........

but do not worry if you don't understand because nothing that is for you will go past you anyway.....

dying is living like the tide of the sea it goes out and comes in.....

be gone and come with the tide of the universe

now is the moment of god... in sickness and in health it is the hour,minute and second of a divine experiencer

see it as such.. and death will be your friend

Simon, I havn't read Deepak's, book yet,
but..,
didn't you just give away the ending?
;)

Now, being, it a saturdaynight, and I'm, like you may have read, very single, you know, it's an Kundalini thing, ;)

I say, it's an honour, and pleasure, the company, of all yours, the now..;)

and, spamm you laterz,
about, (it ;),

Love, Passion,

I havn't read Deepak's, book yet either nor do intend to...

I could not have given away the end anyway..he is far more eloquent than I am at explaining these things hearing the man explain this stuff is like hearing it straight from the horses nostrils mate!!

Spam you later also good Bud