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TASER TROUBLE

Gotham Chopra - November 19, 2006

Courtesy of youtube, the 6 minute video of an Iranian American student getting repeatedly "tazed" by UCLA campus police is all blazing its way around the globe.

More shocking than the video footage is the audio that accompanies it - the anguished screams of the kid that sound similar to what you might expect coming from Bush's secret Gitmo layer than a campus library.

In my mind, it's all connected - the illegal prisons in Guantanamo, Baghdad, Kabul and elsewhere that Bush and his cronies set up to skirt around international law and the egregious abuse you see on the video. It's no coincidence that kid in question is of Iranian origin. And even if he was asking for it, which the campus police backers are starting to intimate for the inevitable case to follow, the obvious over-use of force is tied to a much larger trend of paranoia that has been purposely embedded into our national consciousness since 9/11.

Where's it all going? Where's it going to end? I usually like to blame this sort of ignorance on rednecks from red states but this all took place in a so-called progressive University in a decidedly liberal state and city, just a few miles down the road from where I live. Compasrisons to campus unrest over Vietnam are being talked about but I don't quite see the comparison. There was no resistance here, no protest - just a kid without an I.D. who gave a few security guards some attititude and then got jolted with a taser a half dozen times.

We need to start paying attention to what's going on in our country - what's made some helpless University security gurads all of a suddenly think they are on the frontline of the war on terrorism. We're in quite a bit of trouble here.

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Posted by Gotham Chopra at November 19, 2006 07:41 PM

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NO MORE SCECRETS

NOTHING HIDDEN, EVERYTHING IS SEEN

Things are going to change wickedly fast, the truth shall set us free from the Illusion that those that benefit from it create.

FEAR is a terrible device to use to control a population, it will eventually backfire.

Very scary, isn't it Gautham? Things are getting out of hand... and our kids are going to be the ones to get hurt; from the things adults DO!!

What is frightening; is the fact so many police, guards, soldiers are discriminatory; and hold high positions of power with which to yeild thier distorted power....

Here in Canada, we clearly have a police versus Native Indian problem.. In Saskatchewan, the cops like to pick up drunk indians; drive them miles from town, and let them out on a deserted road...summer and winter!

Not long ago, this was done, to a drunk male indian; and the guy froze to death.... this is also done to native women. Sometimes, they are even stripped of some clothes, before being dumped...

What gives an officer the right to do this sort of non-justifiable, life-threatening act?

Makes one want to go live on mars...

with loving kindness,
North

Indeed, This works out wonderfully for 'the powers that be.' Just like (blond) Germans (even though the Anglos are German too, well, self-proclaimed 'lost one of ten tribe Jewish' German of course), anyway, the blond man thanks to Germany was demonized in America, just as the Japanese were, and the Chinese, and the Africans . . .

Race after race, pick your poison, but if you became a good betrayer to your own ethnicity, like the U.S. attorney general, Condi Rice, or that Iraqi daughter of the ambassodor that said Saddam's soldiers 'threw little babies out of incubators and left them to die,' then you just may get to work for some Washington based 'think-tank.'

Better yet, get people to worship God, the flag, and the American Way; then you really got it made then. But, our capitalism has about run dry! People will soon get tired of killing for the rich man, at least I hope so. Capitalism needs new resources, new stuff, to keep on thriving, and the American people shall soon learn that they too are expendable in the name of profit.

Pretty soon we will get tired of being outsourced, but I suppose that is why we are building weapons like crazy, and ready to start more wars: gotta give the morons something to do heh, and what better than letting out frustration killing the 'evil' other.

O yeah, their game is getting really old . . .

Peace

Thanks Gotham.

In the past, the only way out of the dictatorship of fear was through violent rebellion. I've been there, I've lived as a young student not yet brainwashed enough by the fear to not see what's actually happening. But until now, the only way young people could create a change was by turning to violence, getting out in the streets and burning down the old.

It is happening in another way now. Technology is a huge gift to ourselves, cell phone movies circulate around the globe creating awareness, changing the perspective of fear. I see that things are happening in a different way.

Watching this film, I was surprised to see that nobody DID anything to stop the torture, and at first I felt a touch of despair. But then I saw that they indeed did something, something else. The cameras were out, they were already spreading the information. I hope that things are happening in a new way, I hope that the change in consciousness is ready to happen without the need for violence. I trust people, young people in particular.

True.

I think the officers treated the guy bad, but then initially he did not comply with them and refused to show his ID. Although the officers did not have any right to do what they did, I don't understand why the guy would blatantly refuse to show ID.

I don't blame the govt much for racial profiling though when it comes to checking IDs, or the treatment we get at the immigration for just being 'brown' (as they tend to think all browns are muslims). They've had bad luck with some radical people, they don't know who is radical and who is not. Its good to comply in such situations from the start.

Yes, everyone should be ready to video and photograph stuff and get it onto the web.

Because the mainstream press won't do it.

The mainstream press and major TV and Cable networks have abandoned the common man. They have become completely untrustworthy for anything except right-wing propaganda and mind-mush programming.

We take it back with You Tube, Blogs, Bulletin Boards, Community radio, and social networking.

You have to woinder when you see that video - if the kid was white, would he have been tasered, what was it, FIVE times? Holy s**t! FIVE tasers for not having a student ID???

Whoa, whoa, whoa, people. Something's seriously out of whack here.

Comply! Comply! This brings to mind a incident that happeed to me some years ago. I went into this convenience store, with Billy, a black friend of mine, in downtown Spokane. It was like about 10 or 11 in the morning, he had a nice ride right out front, and everything seemed kewl.

So anyway, we grab our respective 40s (cans of beer that is) and go up to the checker to buy our brewskis and go. In the meantime, a police officer had come into the store. so Billy goes first no problem, and then I am next and she asked me for my ID. Well, even though I was about 30 something, I did not have my ID with me; so she did not sell me the beer.

Ok. Whatever. Yet, the cop follows me out the door asking for my ID; and as he was right behind me in the checkout aisle, he knew I did not have my ID. And he says, "well you know it is illegal to try to buy beer w/o ID," and I said no, I really didn't know that, and besides the sign on the beer door says will ID under 27, and being that I was 30 plus, and looking rough as usual, there should have been no problem.

And quickly enough about three other cop cars pulled up while I was talking to this pig, and as he is 'running my name,' even more pigs are showing up; and I am thinking 'wow!'

And then one of those Germanic-Anglo pigs, you know, the ones with the jet black hair, and aquiline noses, and the 'I am pig hear me roar' attitude, gets right up in my face; I mean inches away. And all of this just b/c I had not any ID. Now the situation is on! My friend, and his wife and brother (all black) are just sitting in the ride not knowing what to do, and I have about ten pigs all around me, one right in my face, goading me and talking smack, and I am just standing there meeting his hateful glare . . .,

waiting for what I do not know (pig bitches!).

So you know, enduring their little wise cracks, and glares, and otherwise total harrasment, it finally became apparent to them that they were not going to get me to curse at them or start swinging, and while uber-Anglo cop is still right in my face, the other one comes up on me from the side saying, "you can go now."

And these are the sons, by and large, of the pigs that entrapped me when I was a 13 year old punk kid. Lying to me and appealing to my conscience with no understanding of what the 'right to remain silent means,' and no lawyer in sight . . .

Yeah, I know what the pigs are like, and I also know what those private contracting punk-ass homeland security dudes are like too . . .

Pee-brained punk-ass bitches!

And when the rich man gives an African a gun and badge, whoo-hoo, boy look out, these dudes go around like, "look what da mastah gave me, look what da mastah gave me;" it is a trip boy . . .

Anyway . . .

Comply?!? Please . . .

NEVER!

Incidents of this type are really shocking and at times USA seems to over-react , the law enforcers seems to overdo things...

Hello Gotham and Everyone,

Gotham writes," what's made some helpless University security gurads all of a suddenly think they are on the frontline of the war on terrorism?"

I think it all started on September 11, 2001 when 19 Middle Eastern fellas took down four airplanes full of people and two very large buildings with people in them.

Maybe, these guards over-reacted, and, if so, hopefully they will be punished, in some way, and get a few lessons in how to handle situations like this without going overboard with their taser guns. It is not like this is happening all over this Nation, is it?

I bet there were a lot of people on those airplanes that wish they had- had a taser gun.

Listen, when people ask for my ID, especially, in a situation where they have a right to ask, I show it, period.

If these security guards were wrong then they should be punished.

I think this Administration has been using the threat of terrorism for their own political ambitions and power plays, but I think the American people have showed, by their vote, that they want change and they want solutions, realistic ones, not just continued threats for their security.

peace ruth

With so few being able to recognise the difference between programmed beliefs and reality it is no surpise that abuses of power take place daily.

Perhaps the guards assumed that the young fellow would simply comply considering the extent to which we are conditioned to obey authority. After all, we are taught that uniforms represent power.

Conversely, perhaps it was the guards who were so fearful that they felt their actions justifiable. After all, there is nothing more quaint nor as powerful as a young tan-skinned man in a library in the pursuit for knowledge.

The Man is keeping Us down. This is what this post means to me. Yes, they went overboard with their tasers. So who did more wrong? I'm assuming that Iranian-American student had a right to be in the building, but is this assumption correct? To be asked to show ID and ignore the request, then to give these "poor officers who are just trying to do their job" grief is unacceptable. What a blatant disrespect for authority, and for what reason? Those security officers have a job to do, and the last thing they need is some schmuck giving them a hard time. The student was as much in the wrong as the police officers. I don't agree with an eye for an eye, but someone has to regulate and make sure rules are followed. I'm sure these officers have to deal with a lot of bullshit, schmuck students included. Put yourself in their position. Personally, I would have sat down with the student and discussed some options. I would have tried to reach an understanding of where he is coming from, and explore other potential methods to get him to stand up and leave the building peacefully. Can we expect that from all police officers? No. Just like we can't expect all students to be reasonable, willing to show IDs and follow rules. The problem is silver spoon in mouth youths growing up with no respect for authority. I hope that was a reality check for him, and the officers.

Then to claim prejudice is completely unfounded. I've seen white caucasion males get their asses busted in my college days... by white and black officers. Reverse discimination? Not a chance. Overall, weak post. Let's talk about some Al-Qaeda militants chopping off American contractor's heads instead. I bet the contractor would have shown his ID.

I could'nt stand seeing this video, its really shocking

pun intended? :) The student was a bit of a drama queen... being tazed doesn't make you scream like you're having a limb severed.

When I commented initially I was not sure what actually a taser was, but I presumed like all other activities of the US which after 9/11 have started all brown and bearded people as terror agents, it too must be a means of subverting the basic human rights of individuals or should I say lesser individuals. But when I did a search found out what exactly a taser , I was shell shocked...

Those who r not enlightened like me please follow the link below or copy paste it into the address bar.
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:Taser&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

Hello Gotham and Everyone,

Just noticed an article in CNN online about six Muslim men removed from a flight before takeoff, because of complaints from other passengers. It seems the men were starting to say their prayers and apparently this bothered others. The men claim to be humiliated by this incident.

Now, is this paranoia or security?

First, six Muslim men starting to do their praying before a takeoff on an American, or, for that matter, any flight, anywhere, while all of America and the World has the words "God is Great" burned into their brain as the calling card of death and destruction? Now, these men are either stupid or testing the waters to see how far they can go before people will question.

So can these six Men be that out of touch with what is happening in the World, in America that they would think that they could start doing their prayers on board a flight, or anywhere else, besides a Mosque or at home, and not raise a few brows of discontent.

any thoughts?

peace ruth

Well my thoughts about you Ruth are that for awhile now your faithful wisdom has reminded me of a Biblical Ruth; your husband's name isn't Boaz perchance is it?

Airik, have you ever been tasered, o, my bad, you is a good order taker right?!? As far as those American contractors getting beheaded in Iraq, a place that had nothing to do with 9/11, nor harbored any WMDs, well, they should have not been apart of the invading forces; only an evil country would invade another country w/o any EMPIRICALLY VALID evidence to bolster their warmongering cries.

And you say, "but look at the tens of thousands of Kurds and Shia Saddam put to death." Well, for one thing, his nation's affairs are just that, his nation's affairs; you sure do not see us invading any African nation to stop any injustice there. But then again, there is no profit to be made there huh, b/c the western nations have pretty much already raped and pillaged that entire continent.

And according to 'just war doctrine,' being that untold hundreds of thousands have died in Iraq, the death that has occured since our invasion, has for a long time now made invalid any possible argumentation that this war was 'just.' "Well, alot of those deaths are Iraqis' killing fellow Iraqis'" Aye indeed, and one has to wonder about the wisdom of us giving guns to all the parties involved. Oh, but that was perhaps 'our' true intent to begin with, arm all sides and let them kill each other off eh . . .

We sure do not hear of much violence coming from the oil field regions either now do we: obviously b/c the U.S. forces have those areas pretty well locked down huh . . .

Ok, ok . . .

Peace

Hi All,

I think this type of video without the accompanying story is next to useless: What was he charged with and why was he arrested in the first place? Why did he resisted arrest?

We charge these people (policemen, security guards, military etc.) with protecting the peace and protecting the citizenry from harm. There is always the question of how much force is neccessary when a suspect resists arrests, but it seemed to me that this moronic kid CLEARLY resisted arrest. They must have told him fifteen times what would happen if he didn't stand up. All I can say is that that I guess he should have stood up.

Gotham and anyone else that would be interested in answering this: What would you have done? How should this have been handled?

I think that this type of thing, without proper explanation and a review of what happened BEFORE the incident, including the charges and an interview with witnesses is less than useful, it's dangerous. This kind of "microview" of a situation breeds all sorts of misperceptions that make it incredibly difficult, if not impossible for officers to do their jobs.

I know and have trained a lot of cops and security personnel in martial arts tactics and it has been my experienced that a VAST majority of them are good and honorable men and women that are frankly the best of the best. They have a thankless job that no matter what action they take (or don't take), someone compains about. I'm not saying these guys might not be wrong, only that we don't have all the facts other than the fact that this kid continued to resist arrest after being warned continuously the consequences of his actions.

Peace,
Scott.

Scott,

It was a pleasure reading your post. I felt I was the only person for order among racist anarchists. We must be "rednecks" from a red state according to Gotham (which by the way is OK to say as opposed to "nigger" or "sand nigger"). Let's all take offense and have hurt feelings.

Teenagers are rebellious. That's what they are designed to do!

Regarding muslims being put off a plane for praying... this is the result of the fear being spread by the government and media.

I think we all know that the vast majority of muslims are very peaceful people.

How many people did each year from terrorist activities compared to die of side effects of prescription drugs, or gun shot wounds, or the processed food that people eat?

Perhaps we are barking up the wrong tree.

Hello All,

empyrius writes,"Well my thoughts about you Ruth are that for awhile now your faithful wisdom has reminded me of a Biblical Ruth"

Why, because I would question the motivations and intentions of six Muslim men, if I felt there was a security risk?

I would rather question and live than be afraid to and die.

peace ruth

Well Ruth, actually I was complimenting you and likening your wisdom unto the wisdom of a Gentile who was faithful enough to become the grandmother of David the King.

If you feel that is an insult sorry my bad.

But it is refreshing that the 'authorities' are being watched as well. Reverse '1984.'

Let's just hope the tide is finally going out with the Congress going blue.

Airlik, Thanks, and I agree.

Sun Warrior - couldn't agree more. It's vital that we always be on guard against those that would seek to take our freedoms, and that includes those outside and inside the government.

After all: Who watches the Watchmen?

Peace,
Scott.

Hello All

empyrius writes,"Well my thoughts about you Ruth are that for awhile now your faithful wisdom has reminded me of a Biblical Ruth; your husband's name isn't Boaz perchance is it?"

Sorry, empyrius for the misunderstanding, it was the last part of the comment I didn't get and thought you were being sarcastic..

have a great day, peace ruth

This is just another on of those 'blame authorities for everything' situations. The dude getting tasered was just asking for a scrap and more or less got what he deserved. The fact that he got tasered in the first place implies he was doing something a bit naughty and resisting arrest is illegal last time i checked.

I'm very liberal myself, but the fact is that you need to have strong authorities who can have the power to deal with things or ordinary citizens end up being victimised. Compassion is good but not the answer 100% of the time...

Dear Ruth,

You write: "First, six Muslim men starting to do their praying before a takeoff on an American, or, for that matter, any flight, anywhere, while all of America and the World has the words "God is Great" burned into their brain as the calling card of death and destruction? Now, these men are either stupid or testing the waters to see how far they can go before people will question."

Yesterday my kids showed me some old coins they had found, one was an american coin. I held it in my hand for a moment, looking at the words printed on it: "In God we trust"...

Can you see the absurdity?

Muslim men pray to God in a country that trusts in God, and get immediately removed from the plane...

Dear Scott,

Where I live, a college kid who is of Iranian origin and has no ID would not be arrested. He would not even be interrogated. Actually, there is no law that forbids leaving your home without an ID. There are no campus policemen here. Policemen have no tasers. I didn't even know what a taser is. Young people with an attitude are dealt with just as you would deal with your own son with an attitude- avoiding the humiliation of a young person who is trying to build up and maintain some self-esteem.

Please understand that I'm not telling you this to show off or say that other countries are in any way better or anything like that. I am trying to find a way to remind you that peace is normal, not violence. The U:S. seems to have a general acceptance of violence in response to a general level of fear that is unnatural in other places. I don't doubt that your policemen are great people with best intentions, I don't doubt that they are put in difficult situations, but what I think you don't see (because you are in the middle of it) is that the whole level of fear and suspicion in your country is absurd. I think that it is important to remind ourselves that kids are not dangerous and don't need to be tortured in public, as a lesson for other young people to OBEY the power.

Well Ruth, in light of the nature of most of my posts, I could understand how a genuine compliment could get construed to be an insult; as demonstrated by my polemic against 'the man' immediately after I had praised you. I can understand that you may have thought I was in some way trying to be mean or sarcastic. As my negative posts always seem to be forcefully written, so much more should genuine positive words be written; I shall henceforth work on it!

Scott, as I do not see being a cop a 'thankless job,' or else there would not always be so many dudes who want to be cops; I think the lure of having the power to carry a gun and enforcing the laws of the established government can have quite the appeal. And while I know that not all cops are bad, I myself used to play basketball with a group of cops at the local YMCA for years, who were all really great guys, and I even knew some dudes from 'way back when' who became police officers, three different black guys (Sam, Randy, and Byron) who managed to get out of the ghetto and get a job with the Spokane Police Dept.; so yes, my blanket statement that cops are 'pig bitches' is unfair.

But then again, there were definitely a lot of 'racist woods' on the police force up in this part of the country also, racist in more ways than just hating blacks and Indians . . .

That is a long story though . . .

You go Aurora!

Peace

Hello Everyone,

Hi Aurora, you write,"Muslim men pray to God in a country that trusts in God, and get immediately removed from the plane.Can you see the absurdity?

Frankly, no.

Trusting in God is one thing.

Trusting in Man is another.

Now, I know you can understand why the situation with the six Muslim individuals would be a cause for concern, especially, on an airplane, after the September 11th homicide crashes(remember the men were very verbal in announcing their alliance to the concept of their GOD while cutting people's throats and crashing the planes). As an American, I do not feel, at all, uncomfortable, with checking things twice if I felt the situation and folks warranted it.

I would not apologize for taking precautions when people's lives are at stake, and trusing in God in the process of my investigation.

have a great evening Aurora, peace ruth

Hi Ruth, thank you, I did have a great evening, I hope you are enjoying the holidays, if you are in the U.S.

I understand what you're saying, of course I do. It is natural to want to protect yourself when you feel threatened. Of course it is.

What I was hinting at was the fact that some people in this world are killing and suicide-bombing in the name of God and other people respond by, frankly, also killing, abusing, bombing and torturing in the name of the same God. Both parties act under the flag of their God and call the other "the evil one".

Maybe we need to stop this whole race and look at the whole situation, at "them", at "us"... and see the similarities in behaviour and the absurdity of it all.

Aurora,

I can see the fear around. I have written about it extensively, but I don't think there's more here than anywhere else.

It is not against the law to go out with ID here, it is against the law to resist arrest. I suspect that we are only getting part of the story. However, if in fact it was simply a case of identity and they zapped this guy for nothing then they will be dealt with. This situation was not the norm in this country, that's why I suspect that we have not gotten all the story. Of course when it does come out, no one will bother listening, they've already made up their minds. That's why this kind of videw without full investigation can be dangerous.

Also, I was curious when you became an expert on how things are handled here in the U.S.? Have you spent time here, or are your viewpoints based on internet news? As you know, what is in the news (in all countries) is the extreme cases, not the millions of other daily, peaceful dealings that the police handle.

Peace,
Scott.

Hi Scott,

I'm glad that you see the fear. And the point is not if there is less fear somewhere else or not, but if the fear that you do perceive is necessary or if it is shaping the world we share in a way we don't need.

No, I'm absolutely no expert on how things are in the U.S. I haven't been to the U.S. I use my intellect to build an image just like everyone else, from whatever information I get. I put together things like this video with statistics about how many guns per capita, with news about extreme border control, with news about surveillance of private lives, with news about bombings and torture of "dangerous enemies" and about military costs. I'm absolutely no expert on these things either, but there is a tendency for the U.S. to top such lists, as far as I know - tell me if I'm wrong :)

My image shows the picture of a government which has managed to infuse the general population with enough fear to escalate the use of force to absurd and unproportional levels. Not all the population, but enough to get political support to do what they have done in the world. I can also see the many, many people who don't let themselves be manipulated, and who are working to change things. But I think that the shadow of fear is long, and that when even those people start to say that torture is probably excusable... someone might want to remind them it's not.

Think of it this way: you don't have to be an expert on the family lifeand situation of a person who is slapping her screaming child around in the supermarket. You just know that the violence is not necessary, that it is hurting someone, that any kind of explanations around it are not real. You understand what makes this person act in that way, because you've been tired, angry, scared etc, yourself. You don't judge, but you do try to remind that parent of another reality.

I am not attached to the image my intellect has put together, and I'll gladly let go of it if I can find reason for it. I welcome your poins of view, if you have any that can help me change this view.

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