Hello Kavita and Everyone,

WOW. Kavita, I offer you and this family, especially, their young sons, my deepest sympathy.

You ask difficult questions and I think the answers to questions like this are really questions only answered at the level of our individual souls. Our minds are not equipped with the necessary wisdom that is needed for these answers.

I think when we are faced with such tragic loss our only job is to feel it, allow our grief expression, allow our hearts to be broken and in doing so we are loving these two souls as they depart from our lives.

Karma, the way it is explained, paying for past deeds, has never sat comfortably with me. I do think our souls come to earth to learn and to grow and to realize and there may be a karmic element involved but I do not think the way it is interpreted is necessarily correct.

It is tempting to try to answer questions such as yours. There was a tragic murder in our area, of a young girl and I find myself, sometimes, wondering, Why her? Really, I think what I am doing is trying to figure it out, oh, it happened to her, because of this or that and therefore it would not happen to me. I am desperately trying to cross all my t's and dot all my i's because a part of me is frightened, and I want to keep myself safe, because bad things do happen and I realize it is okay and very appropriate to be frightened when they hit close to home or to our loved ones.

sincerely, ruth

Dear Kavita, my deepest sympathy to you and your cousin and the young boys. May their parents souls be sung to the heavens of peace...may they be offered grieving comforts.

Kavita, almost sounds like a "racial" crime? I hope not, as it could spark many more like this! The war in Iraq, has helped turn america into hate-mongering people, whom hate anyone not white. Bush, has managed to push back the times, to ancient beliefs of terror of anyone not white.

I have no answers to offer you. I do not believe in karma-related suffering. I just do NOT believe, we pay the price, life after life; for a crime we may have committed a thousand years ago!

IT is "religion-based" thinking, this "thought" of karma.

I am positive, that before man "developed" the theory of karma, via religion, as a means of control to make people stay "good" death, was just what it was.. death...a new beginning, not a payback.

There are no answers, sadly; that will replace these boys trust, love and beliefs in good people.

My love, my condolences to you, your cousin and to the boys.. and their family and friends.

North

Thanks North, and Ruth

when you know someone and can put a face to the name, the horror of what has happened hits home harder. My heart goes out to the young kids, who have lost both parents in one horrible tragedy.
Thanks for your good wishes. I will pass them on to Uma. Btw North, Geeta was not related to me -but my close friend Uma's cousin-of course Uma is more than a sister to me-..I did meet Geeta everytime she came here in the past few years-though I missed the big family get together last year..Its Uma's wedding anniversary today-her son rishi is 6 months younger than Josh and 6 months older than ankur-uma and geeta grew up together-her mother and geeta's dad were siblings. It has been very rough on her and all their loved ones. Geeta and Jaspal's mothers came from India. How horrible for the two mothers. In India most families are very close knit, and cousins are really an intrinsic part of our extended family, as are close friends. The pain and sorrow multiplies but with the outpouring of love does as well.
It will be very tough for the boys, but they are surrounded by many loving relatives.
I simply don't know how to explain this. Why are some people spared and others not. What are the answers?
I hope it is not a racial crime-this is a country where everyone is an immigrant today and I continue to hope that everyone will treat the other with dignity and respect. No matter what motivated this, two lives are lost, and with them so many hopes and dreams.
I wonder what the spiritualists and psychics would say.

Dear Kavita

I was looking around on the web for updates, and came across a thread on the Newsday site (L.I. newspaper) with one comment that was interesting, about the front door being locked and the back door being closed but unlocked. Since Geeta was usually home when her sons came home, maybe it was someone who watched or knew the family, and wanted to get their hands on the family's cash. Locking the front door would prevent the kids from coming in immediately when they got home from school, and the back door would have been the exit for the killer. The family's being relatively new in Syosset would have made them a little vulnerable, as they wouldn't have had enough time to make solid social connections who would look out for them. (The Indian community in Syosset is relatively small.) Their very kindness and gentleness would have made them even more vulnerable -- their guard would not have been up, they wouldn't have been expecting enemies who'd rob and murder.

So who makes these baddies who are so mean and greedy that they're jealous and hungry enough to steal and kill? We are all vulnerable to people like that to some degree.

May all blessings be with the boys, and their relatives and family friends who must now stand in for their parents.

love, Heath

Dear Kavita,
Blessings to the children. The love and connection with their Mom and Dad cannot be destroyed - but, oh how much it hurts, to know how their parents died.

Thank you for sharing your love and care for this family. I am glad to know they are surrounded by family and friends to reach out, talk, hug, and cry with them and each other. So many stages of grief to experience.

These questions you ask - they are the ones that nag and haunt, until ....
an unshakable truth will be revealed

With love,
~ Kate

Dear Kavita... comforting prayers and words seem not hardly enough, at a time like this? At a time like this, we do demand answers, to the many why's being asked?

I pray too, not just for the family's grief and healing and the parents transition; but, also I pray, the killer(s) are caught, and justice is sought for this sensless slaying, of two beautiful human beings.

Often, this is a major event of closure for the families of murder victims... so I pray these children, will have their closure.

I am so glad they are taken care of, by loving and supporting family.

all my love to you Kavita, and to your cousins
North

Kavita, all this happened inside you and you are looking for answers outside you?

Hi kavita,

Buddha, Nanak etc did not became Buddha, Nanak because of their own 'free' sweat will. Such happenings - and the questions arising because of them like 'why there is suffering in the world' etc etc - forced them to find answers to them and as a result they became so/sort of all-knowing. Just as you yourself - of course after many life times - will become one day.

This is the way of evolution. Either you suffer yourself or you find other people suffering and that disturbs you and forces you to ask questions and find answers.

There are no good people and bad people. People are people alike on this journey, now on this side of the divide now on that. And just to tell you the uncomfortable truth, most so-called good people are bad inside if we must use the word and most bad people are really good. You can deceive the whole world but finally you have to confront your own self, your own deeper self and then you will find true what I am saying. Then even people of Kabira's stature speak out " Gunahi bharya mein phiran lok kehan darvesh.."

We are yet far from Kabira so how do we know whether we are really good or bad...

Love, Harb

Hi ,
Kavita nice to see u among the posts again after a long break. In the morning one of my friends sent me this SMS and I quote "Some people die young because God loves them a lot, You are here maybe because someone loves you more than God".

Well if that is the case then , what do you say, people people be bad so that god doesn't call them before time as we don't have control on others how can u make someone love you more than God or even hate you for that matter. We simply have no control over others.
That was the philosophical part , but fact remains that already there is such a drought of generous and compassionate people in this world of mean-ness and indifference, then why the good should fall prey to such notorious elements.
Anyways my heart-felt sympathy for the family members of Mr. and Mrs. Singh and their sons , I hope God gives them the strength to weather this tragedy with courage and patience.

Aloha Kavita

Somehow the children will create a story that is inclusive of a loving veiw of the whys for their parents are still alive within thier heartminds. Those images can never be taken away from them. Shower them with love for we all die, we just don't know when or how and because we don't know when or how we think it will never happen.

On another sight someone posted this interview with Deepak on CBC News World:
http://www.cbc.ca/hottype/mt/shows/deepak_chopra.html

love patty

Very true patty, but it is a shame really, when it has to be so horrific a death; and moreso, when two children find thier parents in this way at home.

Harb, what you say is also, in large part true. I often have to question the validity however, of random thoughts. I believe it is near-impossible, for the average human being, to maintain detachment of thoughts; in a "constant state" of suspended animation; such as, the highest self-awareness, aquires??

with loving kindness,
North

Jean-Francois posted 2 words(#17) on the open thread "invizible love"

and to his two words, I posted one of my poems:

ETERNAL FLAME

The eternal flame,
which keeps my heart on fire,
is my only desire.

I release my burdens there;
and my fears, and wants disperse;
within the Blessed purse.

DD Sonnenburg - 7/16/2004-10:15am

---

"Life,
is neither the candle,
nor the wick.

It is the
burning."

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Thank you every one for your kind thoughts and Harb for your words of wisdom. Heather it seems of course that this was pre-meditated, according to latest news report. There is a lot of off the record information which I have heard from Uma yesterday after she returned from the funeral. The family belongs to the nirankari mission,(too long to go into who they are-but anyone can google the word and get an idea) and the help they received from members who came in and took care of everything, was very touching. One statement from one of the spiritual teachers really touched my heart. He said do not cry because your vision will be blurred by your tears and you wont be able to look at the path ahead of you with clarity.
The boys will now stay with their uncle. The family seemed worried about the younger son who is still in a kind of denial-wants his mother to feed him and sleep next to him at night.The older one is very brave and at 13 has had to grow up overnight.Uma says she is deeply touched by the strong faith and resolve to move positively ahead by everyone and the help that has poured in. The school Principal ( of the school where the boys would now not have been able to go because the uncle's house is not in the same zone)-has made arrangements for the school shuttle to pick them up every day till the school year ends.
The FBI and the police are working round the clock. In all this, I pray that the children who have a life time to work through this receieve all the love and support to pull through.
I will be talking directly to family members this week.

Aloha North

It is truly very sad. It is a given though this too will pass and the children will have a deeper love of what has passed, a love we can only imagine. Be gentle and kind to yourself for you radiate that love through your thoughts of them. They awaken all of us to the preciousness of life. Their parents are still with us as the Soul never leaves. We grieve for what physically is not there as the youngest son. love patty

Dear Kavita,

I'm so sorry to hear about this horrible event and my heart goes out to those dear boys and everyone effected by this tragedy.

I think that your question - is it all karma? - is the wrong question. Of course, we all ask it in one way or another, why bad things happen to good people. Why does what appears to be so unjust happen in this world? Yet once the wheel has turned and the event is set into motion the best question is (what it appears many have been asking in regards to the family) - "How can I help?" In asking that question and responding with loving kindness we all participate in the healing. In that process we not only help another but we rediscover the best in ourselves and reconnect with the fragile beauty that shines forth in this life whenever we have the eyes to see it.

I do like talking about karma though and I believe that everything that happens to me I have chosen in some way, consciously or unconsciously, to experience. But in these cases where everyone is grieving so deeply, I don't see that it matters one way or the other. It's still just as painful and the heart wants to find a way to heal the suffering.

Love, Kristin