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Simple Holistics: Hegel Triangles & Unified Pyramid

DK Matai - January 24, 2007

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Dear friends

The IntentBlog Socratic Dialogues on 21st Century Holistics have inspired us to look deeply at what has historically been developed to reconcile science, art and spirituality. Reaching God does not require this elaborate perephernalia but reconciling modern science and philosophy with the unifying force of divinity might!

A picture is worth a thousand words and what you see is a flat 2-D Hegel triangle within a triangle defining Hegelian origin 19th Century Holistics. If we were to have another Hegel equlilateral triangle going perpendicular/orthogonal to it with its apex touching the apex of the first, and the other two base corners jutting at 90 degrees to the first two base corners, we would end up with a 3-D pyramid which would take us close to 21st Century Holistics as we are defining it on IntentBlog. The envelope-based pyramid, like an encasing around the two Hegel triangles, with its four sides at base representing the gravitational, electromagnetic, strong and weak forces and the apex representing the unifying force of spirituality, would begin to get us closer to the 21st Century Holistic model we are at least trying to imagine in abstraction at present.

The Inner Pyramid

Just like in the Hegel triangle, there will be an inner inverted pyramid, manifest as well, and that inner pyramid is the system of scientific reasoning with its limits of observation, quantification and qualification, where we are at. Perhaps we could have the inner pyramid pointing downwards in a solid way and the outer pyramid manifest in a transparent material to demonstrate that it is there but unseen. Would any IntentBlogger like to make an attempt at drawing such an outer/inner pyramid concept?

Extending the reach of Hegel's Triangles and Philosophy

Hegel is short form for the great German philosopher by the name of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770 – 1831) who sought to reconcile the System of Science, Logic, Nature, Spirit and Mind in his famous Holistic 2-D triangle within a 2-D triangle. We now need to go further and take that 2-D triangle set and merge it with another identical set and create a 3-D version. Then we need to reconcile the five forces or fields in the context of a double Hegel orthogonal triangle set constructed as a pyramid with the apex pointing to the fifth element or the sky and the other four base corners representing earth, water, fire and air.

A slightly edited excerpt of the 1911's Encyclopaedia Britannica "Hegel" article which carries the seeds of 21st Century Holistics within it as viewed from an early 20th Century perspective can be accessed from here.

For those who wish to understand the genesis of this Socratic Dialogue, which is beginning to lead in to 21st Century Holistics, please visit the following strings in sequence:

Unified Force, Sub-nuclear Physics & Love of Rumi

Maulana Rumi: 2007 is his 800th Anniversary!

Holistics: Embracing Science, Art and Spirituality!

Complex Holistics: Hegel's Logic, Spirit and Mind

As a parting set of thoughts:

1. Were the Egyptians on to something? and

2. Were the Mayans tuned into the same understanding?

What are your thoughts, observations and views?

Do you have some similar concepts to share in the context of 21st century Holistics?

Please accept humble apologies in advance for all errors and omissions. This is still a very very rough concept under development on IntentBlog.

With warm wishes to you and family


DK with family

DK Matai
The Philanthropia, ATCA, mi2g.net

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Posted by DK Matai at January 24, 2007 02:42 PM

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Dear Dk,

I created an image similar to the one you speak of. If looked at without focusing one sees a 3D pyramid, but it is not exactly what you are talking about. I could do one like it that matches what you are speaking of. Actually I created the entire image which looks like a book cover which was the intention.

If you click my name with the link you can see the Gold Pyramid I am talking about.

I would suggest that it be done using Golden Ratio proportions, the ratio of symmetry and beauty also known as the divine proportion or Phi.

Of course there might be someone else with more time and capability that would like to have a go at it.

I am not really a graphic artist, it doesn't pay enough and I can't draw freehand either, I just dabble for fun, , but I can get a computer to do a lot for me thanks to math and modeling software.

I am most fascinated and humbled by those that can take a pencil or brush and transfer what they see to a flat surface where it appears to have dimension, which to me is a supreme mystical talent, it fills me with awe that artists can do what they do especially the ones that paint walls and ceilings laying on their back.

I can be backup if no one else wants to take a shot at it.

Dear DK,

Were the Egyptians on to something?

I don't actually think the Egyptians built the Pyramids. They certainly don't remember how they did it and how could they forget that? I think they attempted to build one once, I forget which one, but it was all messed up they couldn't do it.

So whoever knew how, did it before they got there or left afterwards.

Some say Thoth who came from Atlantis had the technology and know how, built them. Then again he may have been an extraterrestrial or in deed from some advanced preexisting civilization where consciousness did not keep up with the technology.

I don't think they were built as burial chambers. I think they are functional devices. Part of that function is missing because of the missing gold capstones which were supposedly taken and buried.

In my 8th grade physics class I figured something out perhaps we will chat about it some other time.

One interesting feature is the very advanced acoustics. I have theory related to stuff I am working on now with binaural beats frequencies, brainwave entrainment and alter states of consciousness. The Pyramids may have produced frequencies that produce an altered state of consciousness.

There is an article I will post related to the acoustic features which seem to have served a greater purpose.

I have often thought the Pyramids might be part of a harmonic balancer, that needs to be turned on when the planet goes through certain cyclic cyclic periods, but that is just a theory.

However there is a story passed down by priests that the capstones were removed because man had dropped to a lower consciousness, and that when they are replaced it will be the beginning of a new age of higher consciousness.

If you click my name it will take you to an article about the advanced acoustics. John Reid, an acoustic enginner he made an intriguing observation, that the shafts were designed like pipe organs and looks to have produced to distinct tones.

What the author does not know about is binaural beats. Something I have been producing and experimenting for about 13 years.

I suspect that the difference bewteen the two tones would be about 5Hz - maybe 10 Hz. This would produce a binaural beat which is actually not heard but produced in the brain. As a result of the frequency following effect the brainwaves synhcronize to this frequency which is in this case would be Theta waves.

So in fact the pyramids would have induced an altered state of consciouness in all that could hear them. It's a theory.

I have found three frequncies that used in combination produce a very interesting effect and experience. I am thinking to produce a CD that will contain these frequncies. Where the frequencies came from is a whole other story.

I am curious what others think about the purpose so follow the link and read.

However there is a story passed down by priests that the capstones were removed because man had dropped to a lower consciousness, and that when they are replaced it will be the beginning of a new age of higher consciousness.

And if you click my name below here you will find the scientific explanation of how binaural beats affect brainwaves and produce altered states of consciousness.

It is also related to sound producing altered states by chanting, AUM, and Tibetan singing bowls etc.

Dear DK,

Just to say, I have been enjoying your posts and I wanted to thank you for sharing. Anyway, I could not bear to read thru that long Encyclopaedia Britannica post above, but scanned it and appreciate having handy access to info that I am somewhat interested in. As I was reading it, I thought to myself ... man, if I had to reach God thru that stuff, I would never make it, that is to enlightenment. Personally, I find it much easier to pray and ask for the knowledge directly as one can understand it, but it is great to have all the comparisons and to hear and read about other peoples experiences. I always put into my prayers, "Lord - Please give me knowledge, understanding, & wisdom as you wish and what I can handled," because one never knows what God will show them and it's usually something that they would not even know or dream of asking for. But I suppose we do have to seek first and sometimes dig deep. I am still a seeker and not enlightened ... more at the bored stage right now and not sure exactly where I want to take myself next or invest my time, i.e., nothing is happening new for me, if at all. Anyway, I guess if I were enlightened, I might have a hard time with gravity, time and space :-)

I liked your pictures and pyramid analogy (as well as all your other analogies and/or posts as it relates to science & God). The pyramid story reminded me of a science project I did around the age of 12 that my father insisted I do. I had to read all this stuff on pyramids and then he made me build one and do an experiment - I made an A. I really enjoyed the project and was happy that my father decided to help me.

Hey, I recently watched "What the Bleep - Down the Rabbit Hole." It was a great scientific documentary and helped me understand some of the things I have seen. What I like most about the film was how one can pray or meditate or intend to send water a thought such as "LOVE" and when a drop of that water is frozen, it is very beautiful. In fact, each drop of frozen water with a different intention placed in it prior to freezing produced a different picture. The "LOVE Chi" was the loveliest of all. Imagine what our thoughts can do to our body, other people, animals, plants, things, etc.

Yep, my post are very long too :-) so, I will stop now as it's time for me to go home.

Again, a big thanks for all your posts as I am learning a little about myself and having fun with it.

Love, Char

Nice post about Hegel's philosophy Dr. Matai!

but let us not dwell upon the evil imagery of the U.S. currency, the work of Satan's minions it is . . .

Dear DK, I have always thought that my theory (sorry Avtar)will put the thinking world on its head like Hegal. because it is like seeing the world from the other/inner side.

A four-faced outwards going pyramid would need a like four-faced inward going virtual pyramid to complete the unification picutre. O fcourse it will include the whole wide indescribable ONE in which it is housed.

Love, Harb

Just to add, there are four forces in the world (world of fermions, body, our upward pointing pyramid))and like four forces in the virtual world (world of bosons, mind, our downward pointing pyramid)and the additional 1 is the wide world in which it is housed, from which it originated and into which it will finally vanish. In fact this fairly represents our universal story.

The 1 is indescribable.

One (1) gets wound up into four forces in the virtual pyramid and then gets unwound from them in, and in the process co-creating, the actual pyramid.

Science is stuck in the actual pyramid, because it cannot handle the quantum world of the virtual pyramid. It can only be seen/handled from the other end, or from 1 (One) which represents our friend Rumi's Unified Force of Love lol.

Harb

Again, just to add, as with the universe so with the all small and big systems including our proverbial grain of sand.

Which is why all systems can be explained in terms of four basic forces or interactions.

Entangling into forces as a part of the universe is to get our basic human karma. And then successively getting disentangled from them is to go on reducing our karma. Nanak's "Bahur Janam na anvan" just means that may I get completely disentangled from my karmas and that means from forces play.

I have above almost explained my whole book in a most simple way. Otherwise, the actual world gets overlapped on both sides with the virtual world and creates whole lot of further confusion in scientists mind. But were one to understand fully the implications of all the negative signs in Einstein's equation E = +/- m(+/-c)2 one will understand all provided he also accounts for the fact that a human consciousness is also involved in its writing.

So long, Harb

Lest we forget...7 is magical for the musical scale
and the rainbow and Me(+/-)2!

Rumi, translated by Coleman Banks:

The Visions of Daquqi (1)

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Husam, tell about the visions of Daquqi,
who said, I have traveled east and west
not knowing which way I was going,
following the moon, lost in God.

Someone asked, Why do you go barefooted
over the stones and thorns.

What, he answered. What.

A bewildered lover does not walk on feet.
He or she walks on love. There are no "long"
or "short" trips for those. No time.

The body learned from spirit how to travel.
A saint's body moves in the unconditioned way,
though it seems to be in conditionedness.

Daquqi said, One day I was going along
looking to see in people the shining of the Friend.
I came to the shore at twilight and saw
seven candles. I hurried along the beach toward them.
I was amazed. My amazement was amazed.
Waves of bewilderment broke over my head.

Dear Richard

#1. Let us try.

#2. Seen it.

Thanks


DK

DK Matai
The Philanthropia, ATCA, mi2g.net

Dear Char

Completely agree. God is love and he is inside us is what The Great Spiritual Masters have said. This effort is dedicated to the reconciliation between Divinity and modern Science.

With love


DK

DK Matai
The Philanthropia, ATCA, mi2g.net

Dear Harb

#7 Agreed. See the original post above.

#8 Agreed.

#9 Here is the genesis of writing the General Executive Summary.

With love


DK

DK Matai
The Philanthropia, ATCA, mi2g.net

Dear Keith

If you have the four basic forces represented as:

1 1 1 1

Look closely at the 3 white spaces in between.

What is the total?

7.

The 7 Chakras etc are simply an indication of the collective superpositioning (interaction) of the 4 fundamental, let us say Gaussian waves, and at their inter-woven tails they give 3 new perceived smaller bell shapes.

So 4 + 3 = 7.

Now if you look at:

Do, Re, Mi, Fa, So, La, Ti

You can see that:

Do, Mi, So, Ti are the harder ones like the four basic forces.

Re, Fa, La are the softer ones like the three sub-forces born out of the tail interactions of the others.

7 is a number which defines states at the worldly level -- both the basic forces/fields and their interaction denominated three meta-states or sub-states.

1 is the number which unites all and defines the principle of Advaita, non-Duality.

5 is the number which is holistic and acknowledges the four basic worldly forces (universal) and one supra-universal force which underlies and overlies all.

With love


DK

DK Matai
The Philanthropia, ATCA, mi2g.net

Implicit in form there are also ideas and the associations between them. Critics will respond - it is all "well & fine" to say this or that is a triangle or a pyramid or whatever, but does any such arrangement actually add dimension to our understanding of the thing under scutiny? In other words, why cannot "nature" (for eg.) be a quadrangle of some sort, except for the extraneous human desire to construct a model that, in our view at least, "fits together" coherently?
And yet such a critique can cut both ways as well - implicit in mathematics (for eg.) are also ideas and the associations between them: hence there is not the "nuetrality" in numbers often assumed to exist in modern applied statistics. Ultimately, a number (like a word) is but the name of an idea; 1 + 1 = 2 because we have already thought to define 2 as 1 + 1...the logic is circular.
'Well, so what?", someone might say, "So it is circular - big deal." Yes, it is. Truth cannot be a circle unless we conceive first that all truth already exists. This is how the circle ideas fall apart - things go popping in and out of the circle at one's convienance, violating the initial operational "integrity" of the thing. EG: Its all "well & fine" for, say R. Dawkins, to observe gene "behavior" and conclude consciousness is an attribute of the gene itself - the point being that consciousness exists, whether one attributes it to genes, God, or gravel, or disputes that it is an attribute at all. Thus the note that "at the heart of Dawkins lies a creamy nuggent of that 'ol chopra-woo".
But how can this awareness be useful to help refine the effort underway here, if it should need any further refinement at all? Well, perhaps it cannot. You can't rely on squine for everthing, ya know.
Nonetheless, this is a wonderful exposition of the complex Hegel and a marvelous work of significant scholarship on its own - the subject matter is quite dense, as they say, and all of us must no doubt struggle with it as best we can - me no doubt more than others. I do not think I have seen as marvelous a summary of Hegel elsewhere as we read here.
A wonderful series of posts - I'll contnue to read and try to follow along.

Dear Dk,
About 20 years ago I experienced a near-death experience which launched my journey of insight. I fell down stairs in a dormitory in college and crashed below. My body slowed down and shut off like a machine and I experienced some of the typical characteristics of the near death experience such as out of body experience, loud sound like a chainsaw and my consciousness hovering above my physical body as the students gathered around and the ambulance came. Now for the unique part of the experience that pertains to your pyramid. My consciousness experienced square energy waveforms that came into my awareness at super speed and as they connected to each other they formed a (perfect pyramid). each segment or waveform represented an incarnation or form of life that was within the total (pyramid) matrix. I have written about this in years past and have gotten various opinions from experts. I would be interested in your opinion.
Todd

Dear Todd

Thanks and please elaborate. What exactly have you written in the past, please share.

With love


DK

DK Matai
The Philanthropia, ATCA, mi2g.net

Thanks Dk,
Nothing published. I wrote in depth about the experience years ago and sent the transcript to The Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences. They invited me to their brainmapping project and did alot of testing on me. Deepak is very familiar with me. Here is my email. If you decide to write I will elaborate much more.
mti2012@yahoo.com

I am just thinking out loud here.

We talk of these "forces" which we could call instruments for creating patterns. Form being a type of pattern.

However a pattern needs to be recognized. A pattern does not (cannot?) exist without the awareness /consciousness / observer to recognize it? Otherwise the field of chaos would stay exactly that.

Isn’t it the functions that create the form out of chaos?

Do the functions exist in the observer / awareness / creator?

As to consciousness is this awareness with thought?

What is thought? It certainly is an intangible product of?

This awareness observer creature has no form, or at least the "function" has no form. Unlike say the universe of "object / form / pattern".

Aren't these force we are speaking of really functions? Isn't what Harb is trying to illustrate functionality?

What is we are really trying to establish?

How the intangible gives rise to the tangible and the role of the observer that all though having a specific point of view, or observation of a state of the universe (chaos having form) produced by filtering chaos which doubles or creates in effect projection?
Where does nature fit, in it’s impersonal creation or expression of function resulting in patterns? Patterns that are observed and require awareness? Yet the individual point of view does not control nature, or is nature a vast complex function resulting from the sum of the product produced by myriad of lesser functions - within the individual (awareness, observer)?

What of our shared experience of nature?

Isn’t that which is intangible everywhere, and nowhere yet all existing in some infinitesimal dimensionless point?

Do we have control over some functionality but not others? This would read we have control over some forces but not others? Which do we control and what controls the others?

Are there three creators?

1. that of simply function,
2. that of function executed by supra intelligence ,
3. that of function executed by individual intelligence?

“Creator” being that which filters chaos, projecting form?

Is there both localized and non-localized creation?

Is Supra Intelligence – non localized intelligence?
Is individual intelligence – localized intelligence?

Can an instance of awareness shift from non-localized to localized?

Does non localized intelligence have access to function (forces) that localized intelligence does not?

Does non localized intelligence perceive an infinite state of universe? (Dreamscape)
Is non-localized intelligence involved with nature?

Does localized intelligence perceived a defined state of the universe? (Landscape (shared))


Is the bubbling chaos the one unified “force”? Creating space and non space with no vector or dimension?

Is the awareness / observer that which creates form out of this bubbling chaos?

Is solidity a function called temporary permanence?

Where is data stored, well if one has access to an infinity data, then there is no need for storage, so how does one tune into a specific state of the universe?

What maintains continuity of experience and temporary permanence?

Is this just a waste of time? Can time be recycled?


Okay now I will write some of that good thought I was reserving.

THE CREATION

For the longest time I was awed by the thought that the universe could not possibly exist. Yet it did, I AM, and it seemed to be a contradiction and the greatest gift, one that when contemplated led to bliss.

For the universe to exist it was an effect without a cause ? As many claim the concept of God to be? Note that they just got CDT, that new theory of everything to function by removing the requirement for the function of cause in one small place. Which seems to support my theory.

What was the creating factor or function?

Then about a year or so it came to me.

That nothing could not exist, at least not mathematically.

You see even NOTHING is a state, yet in order for a state to exist, it’s complimentary state must also exist. In other words for something to exist it must contrast. Now nothing does not need to be created, yet it’s existence creates something, that which gives it contrast. Remember though in this state there is not time.

So what does nothing create? Outside of time?

The strangest thing in the universe a creature that can never be looked upon.

Awareness is the contrast of nothing.

That is it, this totally bizarre unknowable phenomena called Awareness, that does knowing. I use awareness rather than consciousness because awareness precedes thought.

I have this exercise I have done with a few. Where I have them close there eyes, and I ask what do they see, nothing. Then I ask them what other object it is creating? Eventually some discover the object that it creates in the vast expanse of nothingness.

So what do you all think, does this explain something from nothing?

I think this can be understood easily by scientist and non-scientist alike?

For the longest time I would close my eyes and see darkness, nothing.

Then at some time over the years I realized that when I was closing my eyes I wasn't seeing darkness anymore. It wasn't dark, it wasn't light and it wasn't grey. It would be more likened to a field of indigo chaos but it did have the features of infinitesimal points of somewhat dim light and dark. But more like something of an indigo nature.

Within moments depending on my state of mind this indigo chaos would pool and create form with color.

Then sometime later would come what would seem an external source of light and warmth which would radiate, and was rather pleasurable. What was different is that this was external and not from my own mind. It felt just like the suns rays.

In normal dream states everything is being created in my mind. Yet this radiant light source was something different.

Dear DK,

#11 Okay

#14 Helpful, as is everyone elses input.

I now have things to attend to I have been neglecting, but look forward to thoughts on what I presented.

You guys are tearing this stuff up! Sheesh!

If anybody cares to read here are some excerpts from a paper I wrote some time back, I think Richard read it once and said he liked it and that it had potential, it is in full in a Word document thirteen pages in length, and if anybody ever has the opportunity to ‘do something’ with it, or likes some of the ideas, be my guest; just click on my name.

Imagine if the playing surface owners (the landed) pocket, and the ‘godss’ pocket owners (gold/diamonds/sugars/spices), who are in fact largely governments, multinational corporations, and private individuals, make the rules of the game as the game is in progress. These people are then, in truth, the players who truly ‘call the shots.’ These people control the rights and even provide, or deny, access to the very natural resources we are all shooting towards just to exist, so obviously they affect our shot before we even get a chance to shoot; right?
. . . .
So, to stay in the game, while you full well know you cannot ever achieve victory over the big players, the landed godss, you do know that you at least want to make sure other up and coming players cannot take away your hard earned position within the money realm of the table. So, the best thing you could do would be to distance yourself as far away from the other new players as possible, and hope to never be sucked back into the money hole (the wrong way), back into the land of incidental contact and empty ricochets. Here, where you and me are. . .

So you use your cue, that you bought and paid for with somebody’s money, and you build a mighty and towering wall around the rest of the balls, thereby making another hole we must shoot for before we can even shoot for the money hole. This hole is called civil government, and the persons that own this pocket are called lawyers, the moneyed lawyers.
. . . .
So the side pockets of hope and life, for each and every one of us, have long ago been cut off from our game of pool, from our so very real game of life, because in order for us to get to either of these two pockets, we must first get through the moneyed lawyers and the landed godss before we can even take a shot at hope and life at all.
. . . .
But, is not that what this game has been about all along, land, gold/diamonds/sugars/spices, money, government, and brass bumpers? Have not the land and the resources ‘pockets’ of life been that which have ever divided humankind from the start? Hence the need for money and laws! Since the money, and all of the laws, seek only to further keep us from ‘our’ pockets, from our pockets of hope, and of life, and of freedom. Hence, the powerful brass bumpers, the armies/police/militias, between us new players and the already established players, men of arms paid for by new and old player alike; the guns of moneyed lawyers and landed godss! A fixed game if there ever was one, ya’think?
. . . .
The pocket from Hell is an oil well!
. . . .
Yet, then again, what exactly was the dream ‘we’ were shooting at to begin with? Was it an “American dream,” and if so, what exactly is that? The fields and the resources have long ago been claimed, and the only shots we have left are not unlike simple ricochets of life, shadows in the field, incidental contact of the intended actions, the intended shots, that have been, and are being taken, by others at this very moment. Our very first shot at life itself is in fact enwrapped by a brass wall of metal-earth clad fellow prisoners, how then could one ever have a ‘free’ shot at life, if in fact we are already in iron chains ere we shoot?

What is a odd blogball to do???

Enter: the fourth dimension!

The funny thing about odd blogballs you see, is that unlike the brass bumpers, the moneyed lawyers, and the landed godss, we are a creation of the 21st century, there have never been ‘odd blogballs’ before in the history of humanity; we are, literally, in the undiscovered territory of life. Glorious is it not? Not! However, our very name can perhaps lead humankind into the awesome future that the cybernetic sphere of communication has provided for us, the people of the world everywhere, all of the time: the ability to instantly communicate. We have achieved the possibility of going four-dimensional!
. . . .
And that chapter is a four-dimensional gateway of communication, an implosion, an inward explosion, of our minds, if you will, can hopefully save us from the chaos of today’s world. Can you imagine? Shangri-La deconstructed! See, look again at the square,

http://[DELINKER[www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/math-nf.html
. . . .
Are you tired of being a brainless ball caught up in the endless ricochets and incidental contacts that are probably induced by the ‘bigger’ players of the game? Are we not tired of being brainless balls of blog who have no more shots left in this grand game of pool: our life!

What say you odd blogballers and you brass bumpers of today?!?!? Have we real balls or only phantom blogs, caught up in the shadows of lies and secrets the ‘big’ players shot into position before we ever had a chance to blog.
. . . .
This is how our four-dimensional house of mirrors, our house of glass, has only begun to open our world’s society in ways we have not even started to explore. . .

No longer can hidden secrets and dirty lies enshroud our minds within the darkness of two-dimensional gloom; the mountains of scales hath fallen from our collectivized eye!
. . . .
Consider the cases of the prisoner abuse scandals in the American ‘occupying forces’ detention and interrogation ‘centers.’ If we are truly an open society, we the people, being apart of the very government of the world, should be able to freely and without fear inspect the conditions of any, and of all, prisons in the world at this very moment. At the click of a mouse! Impossible you say; with faith nothing is impossible, sayeth the man. . .

Same is true of ‘our’ political elections; why cannot we all count the votes, why cannot we all monitor/verify our electoral process and maybe even ‘change-up’ our elections, perhaps even throw in a ‘little’ lottery, and why is money even involved. . . in a ‘free’ election. . .
. . . .
As the eight ball gently drops into the side pocket of hope, leaving only the pocket of life to yet find, the sixth hole on the table, or, in other words, the 5th dimension of our hope, our hope and of our minds. . ., and most importantly of all, our faith. . ., here’s the chalk. . .

1. Were the Egyptians on to something? and
2. Were the Mayans tuned into the same understanding?

Maybe and not just them. This question is addressed very well in Heaven's Mirror by Graham Hancock. It included Mexico, Egypt, Cambodia, the Pacific, Peru and Bolivia and the amazing similarities in geometry, placement, and tones.

However, even as I look at your diagram of a pyramid I object to science pointing down and spirituality being narrow. I, therefore think the Tree of Life or the Cosmic Tree is a non-warden's design. Prisons aren't designed by nature. They are designed by humans.

I'm liking the plasma cosmology theories so much more. I have often drawn what I found in a picture by Rens van der Sluijs to be The Vortical Tree. He said, "The mystery is that ancient cultures unanimously and insistently described the axis as a visible object, a stupendous pillar of light dominating the ancient sky."

A book by David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill describes plasma as a conductor of electricity. They say plasma tends to form and charged particles produce rings around the form.

Rens van der Sluijs goes on to say, "The tree of life is a well-known concept in the ancient cultures. An increasing number of scholars now concede that the mythical tree was essentially a symbol of the cosmic axis, the column that links the rotational poles of the earth to the poles of heaven as they appear from any place on earth."
When Emoto began the water crystal testing I realized how much like magnetic tape (tape recordings) the water molecule was. So this, along with realizing plasma cosmology could be the breakthrough science needs for realizing the damnation of storage in disease creation. It would be so incredible to find the tones associated with the rings around a pinched plasma form.

Don't you wonder if Emoto's "I love you" water crystal rings, sings, chimes, whistles, or hums at some untested frequency? I do.

I don't care for the pyramid other than the historical intrigue, respect for Egypt and architecture. I think it was a prison system that taught afterlife prison theories. But that is just a hunch.


I cannot stop thinking about this...


(I will come back later with something else)

Humm ... Okay, I went back and re-read the top part of this posts by DK, after reading Todd's post, which got me to thinking about the how the pyramid might work, as I don't remember much about the experiment my father had me do at 12. I had not really thought about the 4 elemental forces working together with the 5th (spirit), until I read Todd's post about waves (would love to read his paper as well).

My father pretty much built the pyramid for me and made it out of wood to scale, as it was probably only one foot high. He glued the four sides and then hinged it on a board so it could be opened. In side we glued a small matchbox facing a certain direction with a razor blade on top on the matchbox. And on top of the matchbox, we put a freshly dead gold fish on it and closed the pyramid. Then we put the pyramid on the floor facing a certain direction and within a few weeks, the fish was perfectly mummified, retaining its beautiful color and shape. My father said there would be no smell either and he was right.

Okay, I just did some reading on Egypt’s Pyramids and here’s a great site that talks about the experiment that my father and I did .
http://www.sacredsites.com/africa/egypt/great_pyramid.html

Anyway, one thought is, it sounds like the four forces (earth, wind, water & fire) might combined via the four directions (north, east, south, & west) as one at the apex (center), where unseen light travels to the pyramid from a point that touches the ground precisely below the earth’s light (energy & information) grid, i.e., the energy above transforms matter to preserve it. And if the center of the pyramid does not coincide with one of the earth’s light grid points, then maybe the Egyptians followed a pattern from the grid above and mapped it out on the earth at night when they could see the grid better, as the link above did say that openings of the pyramid lined up with certain stars, etc.. And maybe the light entities that tend to the grid helped the Egyptians as well, such as how to lift the stones. Well, that’s one of my ideas since DK asked us about pyramids. BTW: I cannot relate to all that other stuff in picture of the pyramid, but the upside pyramid inside the upright pyramid was interesting and I will ponder upon it, since I am not sure how the energy combines within the pyramid, much less without, as we would have to see it or mathematically explain it.

Love, Char

The TREE is happy with with #23, Tapestry!

Plasma pays off the impurities and delegates them
to the outer surfaces...at the blood bank, that is.

D.K. Thanks for expressing yourself!

"The Sound Of Music" is likely to be my

all-time favorite, and Julie Andrews? First crush!

I don't hear what you mean by the lower keys

being harder. I think sharps and flats are tough.

And I thought 5 represented a human being, no biggie.

Peace, gotta go bowling! Keith~

Rumi, translated by Coleman Barks:

The Visions of Daquqi (2)

.

What are those candles that no one seems to see?
In the presence of such lights
people were looking for lamps to buy.

Then the seven became one,
in the middle of the sky's rim.
Then that fanned out to seven again.

There were connections between the candles
that cannot be said. I saw, but I cannot say.
They became seven men and then seven trees,
so dense with leaves and fruit no limbs were visible.

Flashes of light
spurted from each fruit like juice.

And most marvelous of all was that hundreds
of thousands of people were passing beside the trees,
risking their lives, sacrificing everything,
to find some scrap of shade. No one saw
the trees with their tremendous shade.


Kieth,

This says it all:

And most marvelous of all was that hundreds
of thousands of people were passing beside the trees,
risking their lives, sacrificing everything,
to find some scrap of shade. No one saw
the trees with their tremendous shade.


Beautiful!

There is a riddle.

What is it "the One thing" that cannot be looked upon?

You have heard stories and fables where there was something that could not be looked upon, that something often called "God".

Self-Conscious Awareness cannot be looked upon because it is doing the looking. It can know it's self but it cannot look upon itself.

Yet it can see a reflection of itself, and it sees infinity. Just like a camera and a mirror.

When it looks at other beings it's looks upon an image of itself, but not it's actual self, for they are a projection from within, perceived without - in body.

and it did not know that what it was seeking was doing the looking, until it knows itself

then the seeking stops and the play begins

The Infinite Play

That means scientists can’t look upon Self-Conscious Awareness.

If it is an integral part of the universe it means it is one part of the universe they cannot observe. A hidden part. So it might be hard to understand it's effect.

Dear Char,

Regarding your last comment #25, i wonder if you have seen this "solution" on:

http://www.kubrick2001.com/

Dear DK,

I have made several 3D objects of the inverted pyramids you describe hereabove in my 3D program.
In fact i have been trying out some different pyramids. I read on the Internet about the "Merkaba", the inner space vehicle represented by two inverted pyramids and a yogi in the middle of it.
First i tried to reproduce it with two 3 sided pyramids and it looked great,seen from one angle it looked like a smoothly designed spaceship, seen from another angle it looked like a six pointed star. When resized and looked from another angle it looked like a flying saucer.
I made another object with two 4 sided pyramids and as i have also the possibility to make those building blocks into "a room", i now have a flying saucer with an "inside" too and a view
to outer space, if i want to.

I managed to make the picture of Leonardo's Homo Universalis into a spaceship too. And it looks exactly the same as the cage with the woman within where North has made designs of.

All of those buildings blocks will be used in my 3D Game world according to Harb's book. But i am not here to promote this game. I am going to make this just out of my curiosity and inner drive. Just like suggested at the end of Kubrick's explanation.

I will also start from the One to the many (as Harb has described), so from my inner vision to the outer and at the end arrive back at the inner one.

When it is ready i am not going to sell it for money but going to donate it, together with Harb's book to a representative institute. What that will be has to be seen in 3 years.

Hope this will add to the discussion here.

With love,

Yes, ved...and I've heard, I believe, a few spins
off of this story, and I remember Saint John's Revelations.

.

Last night...
The first thing I see, which I seem to neglect,
is that the bowling pins are in the shape of a triangle.
To take them all down with one shot requires
an angle coming from off-center. I get it!

.

The Visions of Daquqi (3)

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The caravans had no food, yet food was dropping
all about them. If someone had said,
"Look, over here", they would have thought him insane.

How can this happen. Am I dreaming?
I walk up to the trees. I eat the fruit.
I may as well believe.

Then the seven trees become one and then seven again.
At every second they are both one and seven.
Then they are seven men seated in meditation
for the sake of one reality.

I come closer and wave. They call,
O Daquqi, the glory and the crown.

How do they know my name?
They have never seen me until now.
Immediately they know my thought
and smile at each other.

Honored one, is this still hidden from you?
How can anything be hidden from one so dissolved in God?
I think inwardly, If this is the spirit-reality
how is it we are speaking words and saying names?

"For us who are inquisitive, therefore, about that which is beyond all, yet the support of everything, which is most inconceivable and wondrous in nature, direct perception, inference and so on are not suitable means. For this purpose we accept only the Vedas, whose words are transcendental, which is the source of all mundane and transcendental knowledge, and which have been passed down in humanity through unbroken chains of succession since time immemorial." - Tattva Sandharba, Section 10.
Srila Vyasadev, in Vedanta Sutra 2.1.11, disqualifies reason as a valid method for this inquiry:
"11. Also in consequence of the ill-foundedness of reasoning."
(Ramanuja's commentary:) "The theory, resting on Scripture, of Brahman being the universal cause must be accepted, and the theory of the Pradhâna [undifferientiated nature] must be abandoned, because all (mere) reasoning is ill-founded. This latter point is proved by the fact that the arguments set forth by Buddha, Kanâda, Akshapâda, Gina, Kapila and Patañgali respectively are all mutually contradictory."
In othere words, reason can never prove anything beyond sense perception, and is therefore in invalid method for making any conclusion in spiritual matters.
Ramanuja further comments on the next verse, "A theory which rests exclusively on arguments derived from human reason may, at some other time or place, be disestablished by arguments devised by people more skilful than you in reasoning; and thus there is no getting over the objection founded on the invalidity of all mere argumentation. The conclusion from all this is that, with regard to supersensuous matters, Scripture alone is authoritative, and that reasoning is to be applied only to the support of Scripture."
Quite simply, DK Matai is cheating folks by presenting himself as some sort of an spiritual solicitor or a Holistic harmoniser on a subject for which he not only has no conclusive knowledge, but not even a sound idea of how to get that knowledge. Pandu

Dear friends,
DK and some others have asked me to elaborate further on a near-death experience I had 20 years ago (post#16) which describes a pyramid energy matrix that formed during the experience. I'll try to emit some personal details of the experience and focus on the aspects that pertain to this discussion. When I feel down the stairs and landed below I was unable to breathe. The next thing I remember is the loud roar like a chainsaw and my consciousness expanding and leaving my body. For a moment I watched the scene from above and could see my body and people gathering around it. At that point I lost awareness of the physical surroundings and experienced energy waveforms (square waves) entering my zone of awareness form both the left and right side. They merged at a central focal point and began to form what seemed to me was an endless pyramid. The square waves connected to each other and formed what I would describe as a number of walls in the pyramid matrix. As each level of the pyramid was completed the square waves (which represented incarnations or lifeforms) became of a finer, more advanced vibration. Si in other words the pyramid matrix was my multidimensional self being displayed or unraveled in front of me. Finally I lost awareness of the experience and regained awareness of the emergency room and the Asian doctor working on my body. I then woke up fully conscious in a regular hospital bed with strange, stigmata like wounds on my fractured feet as well as red marks covering my hands and fingers that came and went for about a month. The nurse seemed amazed at what she was seeing and while she listened to my description of the Asian doctor in the ER. I've had 20 years to think about this experience and a number of factors come to mind. The first would be the pyramid matrix itself. Was this my DNA unraveling due to oxygen deprivation. Even Dr. Chopra speaks about the rishi's saying at death our past lifetimes unravel like a spool of thread for us to see. That statement is extraordinary considering my experience. The next question is what about the pyramid itself. Has this pyramid energy matrix been encoded into us all via DNA! If that is the case then we would be something of a life experimentation project on this planet considering the symbol of the pyramid within differing ancient societies. In any event, I hope I have given everyone some fuel for thought. I will be quite interested and will listen carefully to your thoughts and opinions!
your friend,
Todd

A NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE( Level 8) -- A surreal poem


Something explodes in his head
and then he's peaceful, though
fireworks in silence slowly
flow in his blood opening up
an unexpected spring when in
his heart the poison-arrows sting.

They come to him momentarily flying
in iridescence before his eyes,
smelling of spice and sex they dance
in inspiration, revealing divine revelations.

And he has visions of green trees
and heavenly beautiful women's knees
and hears poems such as these
in beautiful transfigurations.

It feels as if they are far,
very far but they're very near,
close to his bed in the iridescence light,
shining over his head as if in eternity.

His soul splits into two each with
its own true individuality ,and the half
souls speak to each other in clear irrationality
of centuries of old things, of landscapes,
of rooms full of whores waiting for clients.

Their slender bodies, fat bodies white skin,
black skin, brown skin, yellow skin,
in skin and colors of all nationalities!
No such a parallel sight anywhere in beauty!

The souls tell stories that contradict as to
the electronic road maps, bugs and viruses and personal
impersonal sexual snoopy multifunctional histories
and many other mind boggling soulful stories.

What are all these bizarre but so fascinating happenings?, he asks himself.
Then suddenly dark humongous clouds rise in the west and move to the east
passing over schools, universities, churches, temples, court houses,
farms, fields, ranches, horses, dogs, cats, cows and whore houses.

It looks like the dreamscapes of the valiant fighting
battles in dreamless nights, connected with each other
with wires of miles-long connections as if to eternity, and in
between coffee pots with brewing aroma of Colombian coffee.

And not to forget the beautiful ladies in silky dresses,
some showing legs, some their behinds, some their fronts,
some with small avocado like breasts, some with huge, like melons,
mostly beautiful, not wrinkled, not foul smelling with rotten teeth.

He loves all what he sees, hears, smells, touches and feels,
especially the fireworks in rooms full of dead things like a
piano in the corner and shadows of things on windows --
perhaps angels, messengers, souls or ghosts in disguise.

There too he sees pigeons carrying letters in beaks
to the loved ones left behind, telling them what to do
with lonely cats and dogs searching for them day and night
and mourning, not getting their love and pats on their backs.

He does not die. His time had not arrived. He opens his eyes
and starts conversing with everyone standing beside his bedside,
all in silence to know how wonderful was the other side --
the peaceful heaven of God where he with his son resides.

Everyone listens to him, silently, patiently and everyone
has his or her reaction to his story. His lady friend
from the south says what a beautiful lyrical poetry.
His new yorker friend jumps in the air hearing his story.

And many other people celebrate his rebirth in joyous glory.
But his dear guru friend says that proves there's life after death,
writes another book and advises all to get training in awareness
willingness, intention, discrimination and acceptance in next life.

Dear Todd,

Thank you very much for sharing this story with us. I can relate to it in a very positive way :).

Dear Phoenician,

:) :) :) lol

We will have a long way to go, but the ride in itself is the most beautiful way there is!

Perhaps if we were to arrange the triangles concentrically, one within another within another, and within the innermost, the outline of a human eye, looking back at the viewer?
Another thought: earth, wind and what-not might be represented in the phenomenal realm, lying in a field surrounding the above, but why not instead of these, our intentions...such as peace, prosperity, climate moderation, communal culture, and so on?

Sir Todd of level7,

It's great to hear you made it back to tell this story.
Is that what qualifies you for the lucky 7th plane?
Are you there full time or do you deem it necessary
to plant your feet on the ground once in awhile?
Just wondering...and...if you haven't heard of
The Alan Parson's Project...and you have yet
to hear his "PYRAMID" album, I believe you
would really enjoy it. Wow! Great group!
Better enjoyed with entheogenics...
I know...you're already supra-
experienced, and probably
have seen more than I.
Inquisitiveness is
a character who
goes out on
a skinny
branch.
Peace,
Love,
Me2

I feel compelled to finish the series
featuring the number 7, by Rumi.

.

The Visions of Daquqi (4)

.

One of the seven answers, Names, sometimes
the names slip away,
but it is not forgetfulness.
It is our being so absorbed.

Then they all say to me,
Would you lead us in prayer?

Yes. But wait awhile.
I am still in some temporal confusion
that will be solved by companionship with you.

Through companionship with the ground
a grapevine grows. It opens
into the earth's darkness and flies.

It becomes selfless in the presence
of it's origin and learns what it really is.

They nod, as though to say, Whenever you are ready.
That nodding was a flame in my heart.
I was freed from hourly time,
from sequence and relation.

Dear Todd

Thanks for sharing your experience.

With love


DK

DK Matai
The Philanthropia, ATCA, mi2g.net

Dear Mieke

Is there any way you can share your pyramid models with IntentBlog? You can email them to us and we can post them in your name if they can be jpgs or gifs.

Best wishes


DK

DK Matai
The Philanthropia, ATCA, mi2g.net

Dear Richard

Of all the postings you have done in this thread, there are some queries which form the nub of the situation. My answers are interlaced in BOLD.

-- We talk of these "forces" which we could call instruments for creating patterns. Form being a type of pattern. However a pattern needs to be recognized. A pattern does not (cannot?) exist without the awareness /consciousness / observer to recognize it? Otherwise the field of chaos would stay exactly that. Isn’t it the functions that create the form out of chaos?

IE, PERCEPTION CREATES THE REALITY...

Do the functions exist in the observer / awareness / creator?

AS THE GREAT SPIRITUAL MASTERS HAVE SUGGESTED, WE MAY NEED TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN:

1. THE TRUE-UNIVERSAL CREATOR/CONSCIOUSNESS

2. THE ILLUSORY-UNIVERSAL CREATOR/CONSCIOUSNESS

3. THE INDIVIDUAL CREATOR/CONSCIOUSNESS:

A. AS A SUB-SET OF THE TRUE-UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS MANIFEST AT THE OBSERVER VIA THE SPIRIT

B. AS A SUB-SET OF THE ILLUSORY-UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS, MANIFEST VIA THE MIND AS JUDGEMENT AND THOUGHTS.

As to consciousness is this awareness with thought?

BOTH, BUT DIVIDED INTO A. AND B.

What is thought? It certainly is an intangible product of?

THE MIND.

This awareness observer creature has no form, or at least the "function" has no form. Unlike say the universe of "object / form / pattern".

THE SPIRIT.

Aren't these force we are speaking of really functions? Isn't what Harb is trying to illustrate functionality?

YES, BUT NOT OUR FUNCTIONS. FUNCTIONS OF THE ILLUSORY UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS.

What is we are really trying to establish?

THE UNIFICATION OF THE FOUR DISPARATE FORCES INTO A SINGLE UNIVERSAL FORCE.

If you can see the sense in some of this, as understood from The Great Spiritual Masters, we can take it up from there.

With love


DK

DK Matai
The Philanthropia, ATCA, mi2g.net

Dear DK,

I have jpg pictures of all of them and i will send them to the email address of Intentblog to your attention.

You do not have to mention my name perse, i love to share them with you, they are inspired objects from Harb's book and North's creations. I want to donate them to Intentblog. I will mention the 3D Game development program with which they are made.

Love, Mieke

Dear Mieke

You can do that and also you can email them to intelligence.unit@mi2g.com because then they can form part of the Socratic Dialogue on The Unified Pyramid. I am keen to mention your name for the simple reason that this is a joint effort by all at IntentBlog, who are connecting with love.

With love


DK

DK Matai
The Philanthropia, ATCA, mi2g.net

Dear DK,

I just did send them, both to Intentblog administration and to your email adress.

Hope it will add to the Socratic dialogue in an inspirational way.

I wish you all a nice weekend.

Dear DK,

I tried to mail to your above email address twice and received it back twice from Internet Mail Delivery with the message that it could not be delivered. So i forwarded my message to you through your official site. I could not send the file with pictures though. They still can be obtained through the administration at Intentblog.

Love, Mieke

Just to say that I have enjoyed reading up on all these new postings on pyramids, as I have been away for 3 days. Thanks for sharing more details Todd. Maybe that's how the pyramids work and function in Egypt? Sure gives one food for thought. Over the weekend, I was thinking about the experiment that I did as a young girl, which would only explain the mummification process somewhat and not really the true transformation the Egyptian pyramids might have done, i.e., like a transporter to another world. ... just a thought. Anyway, I'm looking forward to reading the new post by DK on pyramids.

Love, Char

PS: Yes, I know that I have a pretty big imagination! :-) Love, Char

PS: Yes, I know that I have a pretty big imagination! :-) Love, Char

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