Hello,

That is cool. Not sure about the "humor" part....Wouldn't it be cool to be able to find the visuals for all relgions in our quest to co-exist.

joanie

Hello DK,

Thanks for this deeper explanation of the designs on which i can ponder myself for a while :)

Lol Joanie, i designed another one as well which can relate to the Homo Universalis of Leonardo da Vinci and als to the labyrinth.

In a 3D developing program you can design 3D objects and can view them from different angles, just as we are trying to do here: design our views regarding all the different cultures and religions from different angles :).

Now when i let two circles intersect each other; from another point of view (the side), they can be seen as a large cross, which can also be looked upon as a square.
The cross/square is used to start the construction of a labyrinth. A classical labyrinth consists of seven "rounded" paths you can walk but instead of leading you straight to the middle of the square, it leads you first close to the middle, than far away from it and then again much closer, but away from it again to finally reach the middle. To understand what i exactly mean you can visit:
http://www.geomancy.org/sacred-space/labyrinths/about-labyrinths/construction/index.html

When i let a third circle intersect the other two, i arrive at a picture in 2D, seen from the side, of one circle that includes the square in it.

This is how Leonardo designed the square in the circle (in 2D) and put a human being in it. Now when i render those circles as a 3D object, they become a kind of rounded cage.

I was able to make this rounded cage object when i saw a picture on North's blog of a "caged woman"
and this now has brought me back again to Leonardo's Homo Universalis.

It is my guess that if we are open to the several symbols that exist everywhere in the world we come to understand that they all relate to the same underlying truth. To me this is in a way a great adventure of discovery and learning :)

Love,

Mieke, great objects, and great explanation!

Since Intentblog has an Asian genesis, here's a description of the use of six-pointed stars in Eastern religions, from Wikipedia; Mieke may be interested to read their description of its use in the Vajrayogini mandala, which is supposed to be three dimensional:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram#Occurrence_in_Eastern_Religions

"Six pointed stars have also been found in cosmological diagrams in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. The reasons behind this symbol's common appearance in Indic religions and the West are lost in the mists of antiquity. One possibility is that they have a common origin. The other possibility is that artists and religious people from several cultures independently created the Star of David shape, which after all is a relatively simple and obvious geometric design.

Within Indic lore, the shape is generally understood to consist of two triangles--one pointed up and the other down--locked in harmonious embrace. The two components are called 'Om' and the 'Hrim' in Sanskrit, and symbolize man's position between earth and sky. The downward triangle symbolizes Shakti, the sacred embodiment of femininity, and the upward triangle symbolizes Shiva, or Agni Tattva, representing the focused aspects of masculinity. The mystical union of the two triangles represents Creation, occurring through the divine union of male and female. The two locked triangles are also known as 'Shanmukha' - the six-faced, representing the six faces of Shiva & Shakti's progeny Kartikeya. This symbol is also a part of several yantras and has deep significance in Hindu ritual worship and mythology.

In Buddhism, some old versions of the Bardo Thodol, also known as The Tibetan Book of the Dead, contain a hexagram with a Swastika inside. It was made up by the publishers for this particular publication. In Tibetan, it is called the 'origin of phenomenon' (chos-kyi 'byung-gnas). It is especially connected with the cult of Vajrayogini, and forms the center part of Her mandala. In reality, it is in three dimensions, not two, although it may be portrayed either way."

(There are a number of Vajrayogini mandala images on the web -- please click on my name to see an 18th century Tibetan table with a Vajrayogini mandala painted on its surface.)

love, Heath

Dear DK,
I felt that in our discussion so far, we have relied heavily on physics (the four forces) and not given enough consideration to computer science, the science of the 21st century. Computer science gave birth to artificial intelligence, which initiated advanced and serious attempts to understand human intelligence and today's brain science says that many of our thought processes in a brain are indeed programs.
In the computer analogy paradigm, the physical universe which is perceivable by the physical senses is similar to computer hardware. The mental universe consisting of desires, thoughts, emotions, and memories, is more subtle because they cannot be seen, touched, etc. but only imagined. Memories are similar to databases and thought processes similar to programs. So the mental universe is similar to computer software. Then, I would equate consiousness, the one unifying force to the computer operator because the operator is in control of the computer at anytime and has the freedom to change or stop the programs or switch the computer on and off, etc. I drew a little pictorial view of this analogy, still trying to follow the conventions of the current picture of the holistics team. It is as follows: I represented consciousness, the unifying Love as a big heart. Within this heart, the physical universe that is currently being explained by the four forces is a big inverted triangle. Every human being (or perhaps living being) with an individual ego is represented as a small triangle assuming that every individual is aspiring to grow and be one with the all unifying, all pervading consiousness. There are many such small triangles in the inverted triangle of the physical universe. Within each small triangle, I drew a box to represent the thought function and drew a database icon to represent memories following the conventions of computer science.
In my mind, the computer hardware, software, and operator analogy "unifies" (in the sense that they all work together) the physical universe, the spirit, mind, and consciousness.
I will email you this diagram if you wish to take a look.

Dear DK

Of course, the source is the Wiki link in that post, the content was written by others. But being just a baby student of Asian religions, all I can contribute further is research, and the web as a research resource is suspect when one's grounding is weak, as mine is.

Are there other readers who can contribute, who have richer backgrounds and sources of information on the subject?

love, Heath

Dear DK,

Thank you for your constant flow of love and positive energy. I find the mysteries and meanings of the triangles and pyramids quite fascinating. Anytime you view or create art with the intention to deepen spirituality and provoke thought it can only bear good fruit.

Since this blog has evolved it has been fun to see where we go. I think of the circle as the symbol for finding the omega point of love.

With God at the center and with all of us overlapping in circles around and within the center circle, I guess I just see that image as one of true connection.- Love Thomas S

Dear DK
I sent you the jpg file and the narrative.

Wow, Mieke, beautiful diagrams. You are becoming incomparable in depicting Truth...

Perhaps you yourself are the first Homo Universalis of the New Age!

Love, Harb

Dear Syamala, intresting observation!

I myself have had the chance to delve a bit on computer work when my son was making my webbsite and we would make changes in the content by going again to its source and then again 'refreshing' and looking at content and so on.

I thought this is the way there goes what I have written "creative, corresponding dialogue" between our minds and the outer world... perhaps the rest - computer hardware, we ourslves along with our consciousness and the rest of the world act as the indescribable all-inclusive spiritual world/dimension.

Regards, Harb

Wow! You Hindus are really into that 'Kabbalah' stuff; hasn't done that much good for the 500 million impoverished Indians, but thanks to 'our' outsourcing I guess 'it' (or at least capitalistic slavery) has raised some of your standard of living . . .

Have you instituted Noahide Law yet . . . Over there in India

Not eating meat off the bones or anything still I trust . . .

The following are a few quotes from one of the most preeminent philosophers of the 20th century Sir Bertrand Russell.

It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly.

Much that passes as idealism is disguised hatred or disguised love of power.

It seems to be the fate of idealists to obtain what they have struggled for in a form which destroys their ideals.

Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.

I think we ought always to entertain our opinions with some measure of doubt. I shouldn't wish people dogmatically to believe any philosophy, not even mine.

In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted.

Love is something far more than desire for sexual intercourse; it is the principal means of escape from the loneliness which afflicts most men and women throughout the greater part of their lives.

Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.

It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching for evidence which could support this.

I like mathematics because it is not human and has nothing particular to do with this planet or with the whole accidental universe - because, like Spinoza's God, it won't love us in return.

Mathematics takes us into the region of absolute necessity, to which not only the actual word, but every possible word, must conform.

If there were in the world today any large number of people who desired their own happiness more than they desired the unhappiness of others, we could have a paradise in a few years.

Next to enjoying ourselves, the next greatest pleasure consists in preventing others from enjoying themselves, or, more generally, in the acquisition of power.

Fear is the main source of superstition, and one of the main sources of cruelty. To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom.

Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.

Religions that teach brotherly love have been used as an excuse for persecution, and our profoundest scientific insight is made into a means of mass destruction.

Science is what you know, philosophy is what you don't know.

The point of philosophy is to start with something so simple as not to seem worth stating, and to end with something so paradoxical that no one will believe it.

Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear.

None but a coward dares to boast that he has never known fear.

One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important.

One should respect public opinion insofar as is necessary to avoid starvation and keep out of prison, but anything that goes beyond this is voluntary submission to an unnecessary tyranny.

The fundamental defect of fathers, in our competitive society, is that they want their children to be a credit to them.

The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way. Persecution is used in theology, not in arithmetic.

The coward wretch whose hand and heart Can bear to torture aught below, Is ever first to quail and start From the slightest pain or equal foe.

So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.

Sin is geographical.

The observer, when he seems to himself to be observing a stone, is really, if physics is to be believed, observing the effects of the stone upon himself.

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

To teach how to live without certainty and yet without being paralysed by hesitation is perhaps the chief thing that philosophy, in our age, can do for those who study it.

The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time.

War does not determine who is right - only who is left.

What is wanted is not the will to believe [dogging out James], but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite.

Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind.

Dear Mieke,

You are very talented. thanks for your note. I went to the website..is this your site. It looked very confusing to me, but this is your talent, so you get it...Meike, what is your profession. Are you a graphic designer?

I like the new title of the blog...thank DK!

Joanie

PS. This is one of these entries that I will have to come back to a few times and re-read to really get the full appreciation of it. Thanks all for your time in creating this. It is very cool. Joanie

Hi Mieke,

When I saw that image I thought future "Space Federation" Logo / Badge.

Beam me up, warp drives, and replicators.

Nations United in Space to represent earth to the rest of the universe and be responsible for the holistic management of the planet.

To explore where no man has gone before. Every kid on the planet will want to earn his Official Galactic Space Federation patch and become a cadet. We fly them to a NASA space program, and an Asian space program, a Russian Space program and a European Space program and Not sure where I am going here or even why I am writing this... but I suppose they would create bonds and help unify the nations, get interested in science and spirtuality.. grow up to become the caretakers of the planet

Dear DK,

I put together an animation. Not sure if it is exactly what we were talking about. There might be more words to add. Just a rough draft, still needs some tweaking, at least it is something to look at for discussion and thoughts.

There is a still image, a short gif, the full long version gif, and a streaming video. The full versions have a little extra pyramid imagery that I think may convey some of the nature of this line of thought. So there are three links, the video is the largest.

Here is the link or click my name

Holistics Pyramid.

www.i----i.org/holistic_pyramid.htm

I should add a soundtrack I suppose.

any input from anyone appreciated

Okay I added sound to the streaming video, doesn't quite match the action.

It is an AUM sound with an embedded binaural beat 7.83 Hz. matching the Schumman Resonance. Of course binaural beat isn't the best with audio compression.

You can also right click and save the still image or GIF files.

Hi North, thanks. And thank you for your input :)

Hi Joanie,

Thank you for having a look at that website. No it is not mine but from a geomancer named Sig Lonegren who already quite some years ago wrote a very understandable book about the labyrinth. He has an excercise with the labyrinth on his website that unites eastern and western philosophies:) Read for instance about chakras and the labyrinth:
http://www.geomancy.org/sacred-space/labyrinths/using-labyrinths/chakras-labyrinths/index.html

By my profession i am a housewife and my hobby is designing and making 3D (game) worlds. I came into contact with someone in my country who teached me how to make a labyrinth 3 years ago. I made one in nature and at the same time made a lot of them in 3D on my computer.

Dear Heather,

Thanks very much for your inpt and the link. Yes i already looked at the Wiki pages. Very interesting. Have been practicing Yoga for already 30 years now and have made a 3D labyrinth with the most beautiful symbols appealing to me from all over the world :)

Hi Harb, yes a Harb(inger) lol. And a playful one you can bet on that :)

I am actually going to create a full length audio with several three special binaural beat frequncies and the AUM sound as well as pink noise later... Actually it may be four freq. if I add the Shuman Resonance.

Hi Richard,

Great perspective :)

I've always been interested in the Universe, did a little thesis at school about the landing on the moon. From that i gained the perspective of an observer from a point in space. For the first time we, as humanity, could see our earth from a space view. To sum it up: I really felt earth was a spaceship and I was a real child of the cosmos (a starchild) :).

Impressive animation!

I am busy with one as an introduction to my 3D Game world (that i'm envisioning and will try to make)according to Harb's book: lol already 450 MB long.
It has a vision on how a new earth is emerging from the strings of the universe, us being the strings that will produce it.

We will have to become a "producing society" instead of a "consuming society" and then in such a way that each person produces that part that he/she is capable of and responsible for.

You're doing a terrific job :)

Dear DK,
Thanks for accepting to take a look at my stuff. I just mailed my diagram and narrative to intelligence.unit@mi2g.com.
I do not have my own hyperlink yet. Well, it is not hard to get one, but I have to get around to it because I can load my other papers also there.

Empyrius,
I see you do not have a great impression of Hindus. Yes, Hindus were ruled by fareigners for many many years and that is how they became poor. Yes, it is their fault not to have been able to chase away the violent and merciless Islamic Moghuls. It is also their fault that they submitted to European imperialists, whose skills to exploit people of other races are extraordinary. But now, fortunately for Hindus, the US has greedy and stingy businessmen who are after cheap labor as well as the spoilt and lazy younger generation, who are awake at night and sleep during the day!

Dear DK,

I have already emailed you about what i have discovered:

I have been looking around for a good picture of the vajrayoginimandala (thanks Heather :)), found one and saw 4 spirals in each corner of the downside pyramid wich of course immediately made me think of the four forces. Went looking for more info on the Merkaba and found the following text from the bible (old testament):

"The word Merkaba is used in Ezekiel (1:4:26) to refer to the throne-chariot of God, the four-wheeled vehicle driven by four chayot, "living creatures", each of which have four wings and four faces (of a man, a lion, an ox and an eagle)."

This reminded me at once of the four fources. In this resppect i can relate to the four forces in the following way:

man is gravitational force
lion is electromagnetic force
ox is strong force
eagle is weak force

Hope this is useful and if you wish i can try to add the four forces as four spirals or in the way described by the bible to the 3D star of David. Or perhaps we have to come up with four other symbols?

Love,

Dear Mieke,
I see Merkaba as a vehicle of inner space. In one of my first OBE's my etheric body separated from my physical body and a set of hands grabbed me by the waist of my energy body and placed me in a seat. The vehicle (craft) went through space and dropped me off at another location on earth. I was pushed from the seat and floated to the ground in my etheric body. For a long time after the experience I wondered if the vehicle and occupants were alien. I now think the entire process was a part of my inner space. It is definitely something worth pondering. Do you have any thoughts Mieke?
Todd

Dear Syamala!
I have read a number of your comments. You have a beautiful spirit!
Todd

Dear Richard,
Unlike many who seem to explore nothing but models that have been created in the past by others you seem to explore your inner space with a vengeance!
Todd

Dear Todd,

No i do not think such an experience is alien. It is inherit to our own being and just like you i see the Merkaba as an inner space vehicle.

Think of it, our earth is floating around in space, we now know this because of our actually setting foot on the moon. But before this could happen it was first "dreamt" up by Jules Verne a few centuries ago. So inner space or intuition.

Lots of science fiction books have been written about man going into space, enough to set our imagination working.

My imagination tells me that when i die my inner vehicle will leave my body and carries "me" into space. What will happen then i do not know, i had only one experience in which i was in the dark space with only a few coloured balls, suddenly a dot appeared and started to burst out in a myriad of colours in a kind of a pulsating curtain. In my view i experienced the Big Bang but at the same time i knew everything, accompanied by an overwhelming love, all encompassing. This experience resulted in the fact that i was actually able to create a much better life for myself.

Thanks for letting me glimpse your inner reality Mieke!
Todd

Hi Everyone,
When I was in grade school, the musical instrument I liked most was the triangle. Has anyone mastered the art of triangle playing?

I would hold this piece of bent metal - not fused together - and with the wand, I would strike it - and listen for the sound, and the way it made my hand feel.

Now, I see it's magical, mystical properties :)

Thank you Mieke, Heather, Richard, Harb, Joanie, Syamala, level7 and DK - this is a great discussion.

Dear Craig,
If all the knowledge of the wisdom of sages, gurus, mystics and philosophers, could make the world a paradise - do you believe this is possible. Do you believe religion or science is necessary to bring this about?

I contend, it is to the individual that Truth is revealed, and by its Light - one lives moves and has their Being.

Paradise then becomes what it has always been - within one's self.

With love,
~ Kate

Dear Todd,
Thanks for your kind words. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I read your spiritual experience too which is wonderful. I did not comment on it because when it comes to spiritual experiences, only the one who had them knows their meaning. Others, if they try to interpret them may end up misinterpreting.

Kate,
Thanks for your kind words for me and for all your comments on this blog.

Dear DK,

I will send you that later today.

Cheers,

Richard

That Sir Bertrand Russell certainly had a grasp on things.

Dear Todd, all I do is share my direct experience, observation, and the thought that comes to mind when I query it with a question. I think as our consciousness expands new models come available to us. Perhaps it is our acquired matrix of knowledge and experience that produces certain thought and insight. A matrix built as a result of our directing our attention combined with our intention.

Gotta run for now...

I do agree with syamala in that we have not given computer science enough attention, because in it lies a key. Which I suppose is fitting, for it may mirror what we are looking for in many ways especially it's dependency on operators and programmers. In this case we have predefined machine level functions, written in the most basic assembler. Then we have a programmer using these base functions to creating higher level functions and objects.

In one sense Meike in her creation of 3D worlds using a computer is mirroring something we find in reality. The "intelligent cause".

now I gotta go, one thought leads to another...

Mieke,

Ox, who labors at the physical belongs to gravitational force;

Lion, creature of ferocious love, hate and movement belongs to electromagnetic force;

Man, confined into his head belongs to strong force;

Eagle soaring beyond belongs to weak force.

Harb

Thanks Harb for filling this in for me correctly :). I saw this mandala with those four spiral spheres in it and it immediately struck me as the four forces. I feel strongly that this four-wheeled vehicle from the bible must have a connection to the vajrayoginimandala.

Will meditate about it :)

Love, Mieke

Hi All!

Below is how and why Man - basically a creature of strong interactions - began to develop ego, language, intellect, tools of communication in his (Unified Force's) journey towards oneness. The story begins when Unified Force in the form of species Man will enter strong interactions.

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Now I would begin organizing my world from that vantage point in my head. Having ‘punctured the equilibrium’ of my previous world in sort of a quantum jump to use Stephen Jay Gould’s words, I would now begin to create my new world; begin to create, organize, stabilize my new world from the prospect of my entanglement into strong forces.

The strong forces at my deepest would effectively cut me off from my surroundings and ultimately from the whole wide world, through a hierarchy of successive boundaries - boundary of my family for now I would marry and settle down with one of the opposite sex of my electromagnetic or youth days, boundary of the settlement or village or city or state and so on for in settling down I would tag myself successively to them considering the greater level, and ultimately the boundary of our whole universe itself - created basically thanks to the strong forces induced nucleic prison around ‘me’ at my very base now somewhere inside my head as already explained. So that now I would feel away from my lost oneness to the maximum extent possible.

While previously I had the good fortune to glimpse that oneness in the opposite sex even though in a flash, now I would be left on my own, as if forsaken by the whole wide world. No doubt I would be having the opposite sex as my wife, but in branding her my 'wife' I would be immediately collapsing her wave function to say it in scientific jargon which previously gave me the flash of basic oneness in the form of love in my electromagnetic days. In fact, all ownerships and names do the same for us. No sooner we own a thing than we lose its charm because we condition it in the above said way. Same is the case with naming things: Almost simultaneously our consciousness ‘particle-ises’ the named thing, and that means separates it from us.

Anyway, that would be the time for me to lament with Jacques Monod:

Man must at last finally awake...to his total solitude, to his fundamental isolation. Now does he at last realize that, like a gypsy, he lives on the boundary of an alien world...

Naturally my maximum attention now would be expended on how to have a flicker of that lost oneness somewhere, how to lessen the load of my unbearable separation, in short, how to come out of the stranglehold of the strong forces at my base.

What would I not do to get out of this mental, this virtual prison? So as to have a feel of freedom from the resultant actual ‘prisons’ or boundaries outside as detailed above?

Here, it would be far more interesting and rewarding to understand this on the scale of beginning of species man as a whole.

And to understand it in this way, let us just go back to the times when man would not have developed even his language as yet.

Now what would man of those times do to get out of the above said mental prison? To counter, to make up for the lost oneness?

First of all he would become conscious of his prison-like existence, his separateness and that would mean would become self-conscious, would develop ego or ‘I’ thought. Then he would sort of do what a man lost in a jungle - a man who has not yet developed his language - would usually do under the circumstances. He would try to make known the fact of his lostness, his loneliness, his isolation to others, to the whole outside world.

This would necessitate his developing a language. And thenceforth all the other tools of communication. An endeavor which the species man even to this day is after. (Internet is the latest example of this. Isn’t he trying to be one with the whole world through this thing called Internet?)

Anyway, aAlongside, he would develop further thoughts on his basic ‘I’ thought to know, to understand his plight. With long passage of time, and to again cut the long story short, some of them would become what would be called scientists, who would try to ‘find’ that lost basic oneness outside, by going deeper and deeper into things outside, into matter outside, into ‘heart’ of the matter outside, into oneness underlying the matter (in the form of Unified Force) ‘outside,’ an endeavor which would ultimately lead them to the doors of a Grandunification theory, which is only an other name for oneness theory.

Others would become so-called philosophers who would try to find that same oneness inside, solely through their mental efforts, through mental permutations and combinations.

But naturally all would fail, for the original oneness would only be identical with they themselves, with the 'core' of each one of them, inside each one of them, while they would be searching it outside or as separate from them.

Here as scientists - and even as rationalist philosophers - they would be in exactly the same situation earlier described by Plato vis-a-vis scientists.

According to Plato, "the scientists are like prisoners chained in a cave with their backs to the opening. They see no light but only shadows moving on the opposite wall. And their knowledge is nothing but the study of the shadows and so far as those shadows can throw hints as to the movement of the bodies of which they are the shadows. This way, according to him, the knowledge acquired by the scientists would still be infinitely distant from that to be gained by a freed prisoner when he comes out into the open, into the light itself. "

Only Plato did not know about the four fundamental forces of Nature and that one of them - the strong force - actually creates a ‘cave’ around their ‘I’s. And moreover, that at due time a quantum jump would take them out of that cave or prison of strong forces into the light, into the ‘openness’ of the weak forces.

Enjoy our march through forces....Harb

If your intent is to create a bridge between spirituality and science than I believe your representation should incorporate the building blocks of matter represented as they are invisioned as spheres...the four forces (gravity, strong & weak nuclear and electromagnetism ) 0r (spirit, mind, logic and nature) should be represented as spheres with science in the middle as a pyramid...or inverted as Spirit, mind, logic and nature as pyramids with science as a sphere (i.e. spheres of influence)

Dear DK,

I do understand the "weapon" in the mandala in a sense that one will have to "fight" many fears inside before one arrives at the unifying force.

So if you talk about: "a range of interlocking issues such as sensations, emotions" then the sword reminds me of the words of Jesus in the Bible: "I did not come to bring you peace, i did come to bring you a sword". But what he really meant with that in my view is that there comes a time when we have to symbolically "cut the umbilical cord" with our mother and also with our father, to go and find our own way in life.

My son once said to me: "I have inherited all the negative things of you both, you and dad". Lol that struck me into my heart. But i have said to him, that this was even more reason for him to find out how to deal with it in his own way to grow above this and find his own union. And now at a later stage in his life he is already becoming much more convinced of himself and i must say he has a wife who is a very strong and encouraging person to him :)

Dear DK and all here,
There is something miraculous happening here! The coming together of all of these great minds and spirits within this ongoing discussion is producing a collective consciousness that has the potential for something new and spectacular. It is clear to me that we are communicating with each other within the unifying presence of the cosmic mind. We resonate we each other as a chorus of (string) instuments might producing a great symphony. We each have something unique to offer and it seems as if we are creating a magnificent collaberation. Thanks to DK and his organization for putting this together.
Todd

What I see in the 6-pointed star, appears to be a part of the earth’s light grid, which is perfectly geometric as straight lines cross each other; and where the lines touch the earth, they just might enter one point of the earth and come out on the other side of the earth. Maybe the circles represent the earth or the forces in unity.

Anyway, the first picture was interesting as well with all the triangles. I once had an image of the outside of that picture somehow burned on my computer for years as a blue back-drop and no one in IS could get it off my PC. When my computer crashed a year ago, it disappeared with everything else. I suppose it represents four gateways, so I have read. Since someone mentioned a cigar, I once had a nightmare in my pre-teens of a brown cigar looking object floating over my bed and I screamed, as the whole house mocked my screams. I was the only one that saw it, but everyone felt it and it was pretty unnerving and we shall never forget.

Love, Char

PS: However, when one sees the light grid above from the earth, it forms a circle around the earth, even though the lines are straight and geometric. And maybe all the curves in the first picture are energy waves??? ... just thinking some more.

Love, Char

Aaahhh ... I so love God, because God so loves the world and all that is created. :-)

Love, Char

You all are fantastic with visuals to boot!

I knew, somehow, when I first arrived here last spring,

that Mallika's site was beginning to blossom.

Where is she, anyhow? Hey! Mallika, whataya think?

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The New Age Crew has been called the Crystal Children.

Not because of meth, of course, but because of the invisible

force that creates the structures with magnificence!

C. Jung thought the same force could create and re-create

the same form/s over and over again as if by memory.

His knowledge of mandala's was immense, mine is not.

But I tend to see my soul as designed like unto a diagram.

To appease the West, I believe an incorporation of

our soul/essence/uniqueness is justifiable.

May be, just to please me?

Keep up the good work, folks! Peace, Keith~

In the vast ocean of love,
I meet myself many times.
I see all my parts dancing upon the water,
As each wave echoes to another.
Every time I tried to separate,
Another tenderly grabs my empty hand.
When I am still in the endless sea,
I watch the ripples dance upon my heart.
Once again, as I look within her midst,
I am reminded of the rainbow
Who reflects the ocean's brillant color.
In the crystal palace, I see you.

Love, Char

"Symbols Of Transformation", Carl Jung
1956, Vol. 5 of The Collected Edition

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On behalf of Me2 (the soul part)
and the Oversoul (the not Me part),
I present another appropriate translation
by Coleman Barks: Rumi's "The Mystery of Presence"

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The mystery of presence
will not arrive through the mind,
but do some physical work, and it comes clear.

An intellectual gets bound and wrapped
in complicated nets of connectedness.
Whereas the Friend rides the intelligence
that is creating genius at the center.

The mind is husk, and the appetites love coverings.
They look for them everywhere.
That which loves the kernel and the oil
inside the nut has no interest in shells.

Mind carries reams of reasons into court,
but universal awareness does not move a step
without some definite intuition.
One covers volumes of pages.
The other fills the horizon with light and color.

The value of script resides in gold
stored somewhere else. The value of a body
stems from the soul. The value of soul
derives from presence. Soul cannot live
without a connection there.

Helly everyone,

Wow we are producing together a whole new Universe :)

These are my thoughts this morning (at least western european time :)):

What we have experienced through the birth channel physically, we do experience spiritually again (this so-called second birth). And that can also be described in many ways as we have already discovered here. But everyone experiences it that slightly different and that's why every person is so unique and that's why we ALL have a piece of the puzzle.

I have found another interesting site on the Internet in which you can read yet another part of the underlying truth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_of_Life

Love, Mieke

Dear DK

In the ancient symbol examples, oppositional elements are in balance with each other. In the symbols under development, they aren't. The older symbols project a sense of openness, potentiality, and integration (despite the opposing forces they represent), that the newer symbols don't project as yet.

love, Heath

Dear Heather,

Yes i agree. The Sri Yanta is more or less the same symbol as the flower of life.

The Merkaba (or star of David) needs the square and the circle visualized in it. When you look at it in a certain way, you see a square emerge in the middle of the two triangles. So with the four spiral spheres on those four points of the square, it would alrady look more fluid. Then of course a circle has to be added around it.

Will see what i can produce in my 3D program.

Love, Mieke

Meike: Speaking of our first birth...

As of today, my outer spaceship Earth
has spun out 49 revolutions around
the Sun. So I took the day off,
and turned some light on. Lo
and behold, that which was
hidden from me by sleep
now appears right in
front of Me2 eyes.
Seven angels to
greet my face
floated by
carrying
seven
candles
with which
to light my
fire and blow
some space into
my crowded cellular
structures as they will
tend to be pressured into
shrinking due to the forces
that make the world go round.
Dizzy with delight and spinning
like a top they then lifted me up
to soaring heights of jubilation and
transfiguration as I seemed to melt by
the flame of love and gratitude now flows
from my heart for every single turn I make.

Thank you for informing me about these sources of positive energy. I have a special interest in the Tibetan Book of the Dead and I plan to examine it more closely in light of your posting.

Best wishes!

"I do not hesitate to read all good books in translations. What is really best in any book is translatable -- any real insight or broad human sentiment.” -Ralp Waldow Emerson

Dear Mieke,
You did the unified force holistic pyramid that is moving??? That is incredible. If that were a put into form, it could be a museum piece. It is so cool...I want one!!!

Joanie

Dear DK,
I don't know if you are still interested in one-page summary. Nor in fact I have been able to make one. I tried but could not make it less than a few pages. Since I have made an effort at it, I thought I will post it here. If you or anybody else can make a summary of it presentable to CERN chief and to others at your center, I will be thankful, otherwise we may just continue to discuss it here. With the hope that if the time of new theory has come it will find its way out anyway. Thanks for whatever you are doing for it though, I am yet not spiritual enough not to enjoy myself being mentioned as a philosopher lol and being tagged along with Hegel. Here is my SUMMARY LOL.

Executive summary

Unification of forces of physics + spiritual experience of masters = evolution

While discussing spiritual experiences of masters under Maulana Rumi’s thread on Intentblog, I was intrigued to read his poem “I died as a mineral.” The poem depicted Rumi saying in effect that the same one Force is permeating all evolution from minerals, to plants to animals to man and so on and eventually goes back to its source. I myself had had the like insight in the past and had written a book Self-Designed Universe on it. So I felt drawn to present my own ‘theory’ of evolution in terms of four basic forces there. Dear DK liked it and asked me to write a one-page summary of it. So here it goes:
[Note: Since the All-encompassing One is the balanced home of all – scientists, philosophers and spiritual masters - I have tried to keep balance in my descriptions as well, that is, I have not used words belonging overly to any one realm. Nor I have mentioned the universe as illusory, for one, it is both real and unreal, secondly, it does not make sense to try to write something about it to scientists of all and yet say it is illusory. Also I have refrained from using Sanskrit words such as sachkhand etc. I hope you will understand.]

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The universal evolution comprises three overlapping yet interacting realms i.e., actual, virtual and spiritual. Which is, in fact, why we have three basic disciplines of knowledge i.e., science, philosophy and spirituality.

The spiritual realm, called soul, spirit, love, God etc by spiritual people, substance, thing-in-itself by philosophers and supersymmetry by scientists, is essentially indescribable fully. Universal evolution begins from it and eventually ends in it. It triggers the Unified Force of the big bang when actual and virtual realms of the previous cycle of the universal evolution again meet in its presence at the end. So it also acts/is known as the Unified Force.

The virtual realm is the realm in which the universe gets wound up into four basic forces in the order of weak, strong, electromagnetic and gravitational forces. Everything in it is connected non-locally. In it the Unified Force makes discrete jumps basic-force by basic-force.

The actual realm is one in which the universe gets unwound from four basic forces in the opposite way i.e., in the order of gravitational, electromagnetic, strong and weak. Triggered by the Unified Force of big bang and corresponding to the quantum jumps in the virtual realm, this realm manifests four basic interactions, which cause phase changes/mutations in it at all hierarchical levels. These phase changes eventually give each system in it four basic phases at any point in their lives as well as in the whole life. Things in it cannot move beyond the speed of light. It presents continuity to the discrete movement of evolution through forces underneath or in the virtual realm, just as picture on screen presents continuity to ‘cut’ different scenes in its blue print.

Einstein’s equation E = +/- m (+/- c) 2 also contains all the above three realms provided we take into account the negative value of c in it as well, as also, that a human consciousness is involved in its writing.

Following is how four forces will develop from one Unified Force in a molecule. Then the like process will happen at couple of molecules level which may be called a system, couple of systems level which may be called some bigger system and so on finally taking the whole universe into its embrace.

When the Unified Force will strike the molecule it will encounter its inertial mass and so, will fall into gravitational interactions. Alongside it will split the molecule into atoms.

Then it will act through the atoms. The goal is to regain itself as One, Unified Force. So this will make different atoms attract each other. But in the process their ‘bodies’ will come in the way, or repel each other. This way there will develop between them the second of the basic forces, i.e., the electromagnetic force, the force of attractions and repulsions.

Where there will be attraction there will be the possibility of movement. Thus this force will also become the force of movement.

Next, the same Force will go further deeper into the atom, to the level of its nucleus and will act from there. Here it will get imprisoned by the strongly bonded nucleons (particles residing in the nucleus, also called hadrons)and in the process will fall into the realm of strong interactions.

Since the goal is still the same, its Unification, so the Unifed Force will make various permutations and combinations of virtual nucleons to feel one with them, and through them finally with the whole wide world outside. These permutations and combinations will eventually become species Man’s rational thoughts, philosophy, science. In fact, here is the whole genesis of development of later species of Man, with all his special traits of development of ego, language, thoughts, reason, intellect, communication skills etc. For example, since the goal is to become one again, the Unified Force/Man will try to share its/his confinement with other atoms/people. It will force/prompt him to develop language and all other communication skills right up to the internet.

Also, Homo in Homo sapiens basically denotes the nucleic home in which Unified Force/Man finds imprisoned and, sapiens denotes intellectual knowledge which it/he develops in order to get out of this prison, towards the realization of oneness again, towards grandunification again.

Lastly the Unified Force will go beyond even the nucleus but will encounter still subtler form of matter in ‘deeper-level’ leptons such as neutrino. Here it will enter the era of weak interactions. Since neutrinos can go through all matter and travel almost infinite distances, here the Unified Force/Man will experience oneness with the whole world again.

Eventually Unified Force or the spiritual realm will go beyond all matter and will be left to itself again. In fact here, like the anti and physical worlds meeting and producing electromagnetic energy, virtual and actual worlds will be meeting to produce Unified Force again to begin the universal evolution anew.

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Though outwardly not very apparent, a discerning eye can see the effect of each system’s going through four basic interactions by just noting the special characteristics each basic interaction will force upon it and then relating them to the four phases of each system’s life as follows:

1. Force of Gravity (sourced at molecule level and above)
Special characteristics:

-System goes/grows ‘up,’ against gravity, in the process takes birth, distinguishes/ separates itself from its ground, background, parentage

-Interacts with the world through senses (The basic point of interaction with the world is to re-alize oneness with it. Just imagine a simple mass of matter rising from its like background, in the process of going through gravitational interactions. How best it can still reassure itself of its oneness with its like background? Obviously by touch (by re-alizing its previous non-local connection with it by touch), by sight, by smell in short, by senses, which are though different because each interaction further goes through four basic interactions and so these different senses are actually products of different interactions but within the overall gravitational interactions.)

=Gave: =Clay to Minerals at species level (minerals distinguish themselves from their ground of clay - have varied but beautiful forms because of repeatedly going through four basic interactions further within basic gravitational interactions.)
=Cave Man at Man’s level (just rising above/distinguishing from real ground as well as background of its previous species i.e., apes.)
=Dark to Middle ages at AD era cultural cycle level (Age of ‘Fathers And Schoolmen’ going by Betrand Russel’s book A History of Western Philosophy in the West and ‘Sutras And Scholastic Period’ going by Radhakrishanan’s Indian Philosophy in the East; just rising/distinguishing from the background of previous BC era cultural cycle; even the Ages ‘Father and Schoomen” and ‘Sutra and Scholastic Period’ show that culture is in its childhood and that means in its first or gravitational phase)
=Science of Inertia (Galileo, 1564-1642) to Science of Gravity (Newton, 1643-1727) at Science-as-a-system level (Science just taking birth or distinguishing itself from religion)
=Birth to Childhood at individual life level (Obvious)
=Stem to Bone cells at Cells’ level (Provide body with physical structure)

2. Electromagnetic Force (sourced at atomic level) Special Characteristics: -Attractions, repulsions, loves, wars, hates, travels, movement
-Interaction with the world through emotions and feelings (having come far from the original one, i.e., spiritual realm, also having become separated into many, also into male and female, also because with this interaction the Unified Force has begun to act at the atom level, systems experience the same oneness now through usual worldly love while hate comes into the picture because their bodies come between this -in the full realization of this oneness. These bodies become full-blown egos as the things go to human levels, which is why egos and love do not go together. (sex is just an effort to go beyond bodies...and in the process experience the lost oneness.)

=Gave =Plants to Animals (Attractions/repulsions, emotions/feelings and sex began with algae in plants and fully developed in animals; just as beginning from our early youth it fully develops in us by later youth)
=Nomadic Man (Driven by love and hate Nomadic man had always been on the run – movement - fighting)
=Age of Romanticism in the West, of Bhagti Movement in the East (Romance is Bhagti of the opposite sex, Bhagti is romance with God; both involve attraction/emotional feelings); also the Age of great loves, wars and travels (Chengis Khan and Morcopolo belonged to this era)
=Science of Electromagnetism (Of Faraday 1791-1867 and Maxwell 1831-1879); it proves what J.Bronowski said regarding “ideas discovering man rather than the other way around;” time had come for this science to be discovered) = Youth, at our individual life level (obviously involved in loves, wars, hates, travels)
=Blood to Muscle cells (blood and muscle cells in human body do the same job – from cleaning and conveying air, to facilitating movement as plants and animals do at species level.)

3. Strong Force (sourced at sub-atomic or nuclear or hadrons level) Special Characteristics: -System experiences confinement (internal and as a consequence develops various external) -Tends to settle down, consequently develops confinements of homes, cities, states, countries
-Develops self-consciousness (I-thought, ego)
-Tends to counter the effects of confinement through development of various means such as language, reason, reason-based knowledge or intellect, judgment, communication skills/tools
-interacts with the world through language, reason/intellect (as already explained)

=Gave =Primates to Man (Man always feels himself confined to his head/mind)
=Settled Man (manifested internal confinement by developed external confinement in the form of settlements; developed still further confinements as settlements will now need to be further confined to any state, country, and so on.)
=The Age of Reason, of Anxiety (basically anxiety because there seems to be no way out of the internal confinement)
=Nuclear Science (Max Planck [1858-1947], Niels Bohr[1885-1962], Albert Einstein[1879-1955]
=Middle age at individual life level
=Nerve cells (cells of communication)

4. Weak Force (Sourced at sub-nuclear, ‘deeper-leptons’ level such as neutrinos) Special Characteristics: -Experience of being beyond any confinements/boundaries, of freedom, of oneness with the whole world, which is also interpreted as spiritual awakening
-Intelligent, intuitive, direct understanding of and interaction with things (thanks to all-penetrating neutrinos)
-Tendency ‘to be’ rather than ‘to know’ and ‘to do’
-Tendency to live and let live

=Gave =polymath geniuses, world-bound sages (Plato, Buddha, LaoTze belonged to the identical era but of the previous or BC cultural cycle which ended with the beginning of AD cycle), will give expected Superman on species scale
=Will give Free Man, as extension to Cave Man, Nomadic Man, Settled Man
=The Age of Intelligence, Intuition, Wisdom, ultimately the Golden Age, Satya Yuga
=Science of consciousness, unified science
=Give old age
=Super cells

5. Back to Unified Force or Liberating Forces Special Characteristics:
-Total freedom
-Undefinable state
-Silence
-Free-flowing, non-judgeable, non-judging spontaneous action
-Triumph of spirit over all forms of entrapment i.e., physical, emotional, intellectual, intuitive/intelligent
-Sourced at each being’s deepest, non-material, non-dual core within -Feeling of whole universe springing forth from oneself to back to oneself.

=Give =Rare, mostly unknown, almost other-worldly men, masters, sages

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Dear DK, in my experience, the Sahasrara kamal - or opening of thousands petalled lotus - denotes our quantum jump from strong interactions realm to weak intractios realm, or our breaking free from the nucleons' produced prison at our very base to the openness of what I call 'deeper-leptons' such as neutrinos. ( Neutrinos, as compared to others such as electrons and photons, which are also leptons but operate at the level of electromagnetic interactions, and so at the level of worldly love, operate at weak interactins and so at the level of mystics' Love.)

Note: Also, forgot to add in 4 above, under Weak Force, the words "of Love, Compassion with the whole world" after the words "of oneness with the whole world"

Hi Keith, beautiful, beautiful, the stars are at our command indeed :)

Dear Joanie, no, the credit for this moving holistic pyramid goes to Richard who did a great job on this. Look for yourself at the link hereunder where you are also able to safe the file on your harddisk:

http://www.i----i.org/holistic_pyramid.htm

Love, Mieke

Dear Harb,

Those four forces "drive" your whole vehicle, just as described in Ezekiel (1:4:26): the Merkaba with the four wheels :)

Your paper inspired me to make my own holistic mandala: i placed the Merkaba within the encircled cagevehicle of Leonardo and placed four spiralled spheres on the inverted pyramids so that it really looks like a four-wheeled vehicle.

In the beginning the encompassing circle is closely around you, but slowly but surely it is widening and widening. At the end you "fly"in your vehicle through the whole universe :)
That's worth to make another animation of!

Thanks!

Dear DK,

Your One-Thousand-Petal Sahasrara Lotus reminds me of the Flower of Life, a geometric "flower" or mantra, developed by Drunvalo Melchisedek.

Your Sri Yantra picture reminds me of a four quadrant labyrinth in the form of a rose i made for myself 2 years ago, after visiting a beautiful garden of life in our country where the human life story was told in 25 gardens, from the garden of birth up to and including the garden of death. In the middle of it i was able to visualize my own vision and the whole creation was also a very uplifting one.

To me at my age now (61) the Merkaba has become an inner vehicle in which you are protected in all directions, north, south, east, west, up and down. It gives you the feeling you can fly, fly in your creative expression of life.:).

Thanks so much for this beautiful thread.

With gratitude and love

Dear DK,
Being that my computer modeling skills are limited I will try to paint a picture of my multi-dimensional pyramid with word. I feel that it has great significance due to the fact that it formed during my NDE in a higher plane as opposed to in my waking imagination. The pyramid itself is our multi-dimensional being in recorded form much like a living transcript of our eternal being. Each brick (square wave) within the pyramid represents one lifetime or lifeform. As the square wave transcripts (bricks) connect around each layer (level) of the pyramid lifetimes are pieced together. So in other words the bottom layer (level) of the pyramid represents our most primitive incarnations (physical dimension). That level or layer is at the base of the pyramid. When the first level is completed a more advanced level is started which sits atop the first. Each succesive level exists at a higher vibration than the preceding one. If you wish to simplify this even further you could say the bottom layer of the pyramid is the physical dimension, the second is the astral dimension, the third is the mental dimension, fourth is the causal dimension and the top few levels of the pyramid are the highest spiritual dimensions. Keep in mind as each brick of the pyramid connects to the proceeding one it is a lifetime that exists at a slightly higher vibrational rate. The omniscient eye of the witness exists as the capstone of the pyramid. I hope someone that is visually and mentally creative can envision what I have just described.
Sincerely,
Todd

Richard help!
Todd

Hi there Keith,
May the force of fun, joy and celebration be with you today. Happy 49th!
with love,
~ Kate

from the center, looking outward, in every direction,
I see the most amazing creations
no beginning and
no end,
no lines or limitations,
to contain
my
Imagination
what is real ...
Here I
AM
:)
~ Kate

Dear Harb!
It will be interesting to see what appears in The Large Hadron Collider. Apparently gravity is what we have in common with the other existent dimensions. That would then be the preferred method of travel from a quasi-physical being from such a dimension. Being that they would be composed of other (forces) interaction with us would be challenging.
Todd

The crown chakra (sahasrara) explosion.
16 years ago.
After meditating a few hours at the ARE Association of Research and Enlightenment
prayer-meditation room
Rays of multi-colored light exploded from my body. Suddenly an opening in the top of my head released the energy and I seemed to be having a full blown OBE while awake. My consciousness rose above my head and I witnessed what appeared to be the big bang itself. After maybe one half hour the stream or blast of non-physical energy (consciousness) that was suspended above my head started to lower and return to my body. The event seemed like a volcanic explosion to me but I can see the resemblance to a flower blooming as well! Gravity seemed to have lost it's hold on my physical body and for about a month it was like I was moonwalking. I could see rotating vibrational particles in everything including so-called inanimate matter like the sidewalk. The particles in my body were vibrating at an increased rate. My belief system was completely destroyed by the experience and I realized all of creation was an ocean of conscious light. For 3 days after the experience I went into my bathroom in the middle of the night and watched what appeared to a rotating (siren-like) light circling on the dark wall around my body. I know now my non-physical energy system broke through the sahasrara and made a momentary appearance. After the event subsided and I returned to a normal state the void was left as my consciousness. And I knew the void was living truth.
Todd

Thanks, Mieke! Like a twirly-bird ah hum.

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Hey, Princess! There you are, indeed!
Ah Thank You, Kate! The TREE was worth the seed!
You crack me up!! Tastes so good...agreed.
Chocolate cake, anyone? Mmmm...e2!

This is fabulous. It just grows and grows.

I wanted to say hello to Liara. This morning I woke to a man's voice, soft, gentle, saying what I thought was Leeara. I thought "what an odd way to pronounce Laura." And here you are.

DK I wish I knew more about computer modeling but I don't. I am just a mystic. My models are in my consciousness. I want to help though! Sorry.
Todd

Dear DK

The fully magnified version of the Sahasrara Kamal illustration, without explanations and labels, can be read as a 2-d visual metaphor for the 3-dimensional chakras structures of the human body.

This is a peaceful, beautiful, meditative thread. Aapka bahut bahut dhanyawad.

love, Heath

Dear Mieke

I was including your Star of David in the ancient symbols category -- its openness, balance and integration of duality / opposites are striking to me.

love, Heath

Dear Keith,
I love chocolate cake!
thanks for sharing :)
Love to you,
~ Kate

Hi Harb,
in your post #58,
when you speak of
Freedom in # 5,
my experience
of this 'state' is
present moment living.

All my accumulated knowledge does not compare
to the vast beauty, joy and love
of
What Is
in this very moment, Now.

It seems easy in the world of form, and thought
to get lost.
It happens all the 'time'.

When a moment of extraordinary perception and awareness
or a series of experiences happen
which reveals Truth,
the challenge is to use communication, words to describe it
and make sense to others.

Thank you so much for your book and your contribution
to this dialogue
and description of
a universe that is
Self-designed.

With love,
~ Kate

Dear DK,
Thank you for being a wonderful 'conduit' :)
love,
~Kate

Dear Todd,

Your experience is so true, and indeed after such experience we seem to be floating in the air....I enjoy reading your every word...

Also, as the same 'going through four basic interactions' describes the bodies of every being in the entire universe, we in fact have all the forces in common with all beings anywhere. I have sketchily described how the bodies of beings on other planets will be like in terms of their going through four basic interactions in my book. What really happens is that as evolution progresses hold of forces on bodies gets lost one after the other and accordingly body's shape's change. Here is a couple of paragraphs describing how bodies will change as evolution progresses:

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In plants the force of gravity is the main force. The shape of plants is thus determined mainly by that force.

It is the electromagnetic force in the case of animals. It acts at the center of electromagnetic interactions in the species animals which is somewhere in their heart region. The shape of animals is thus determined by the reduced effect of gravity and the increased effect of electromagnetic forces.

This practically means that as the things go from plants to animals, the structures which counter gravity in the former i.e., the stems of plants, would go on diminishing resulting into comparatively weaker legs in the later. While the structures which counter electromagnetic forces go on gaining prominence in comparison. Resulting into comparatively prominent heart regions in the case of the animals.

As the things progress further, the relative strength of the electromagnetic forces would begin to diminish and that of strong forces would begin to gain proportionately. It would slowly cause the development of head in animals, which would subsequently become the most important structure in the species man as he is the creature of thorough strong interactions at the base.

Finally, weak interactions again operate in the region of the heart so that expected superman would again begin having prominent heart region with the head region diminishing accordingly

Perhaps plants at higher regions would simply cease to exist - for they are basically the species which came into existence because of Mosc’s(unified force's) need to go against gravity, and when gravity would be only of marginal value plants existence would also have only marginal possibility.

Animals perhaps would be like as they are now shown in some Hindu mythological texts - simply flying into air, obviously mainly because of the attractions and repulsions of the now prominent electromagnetic forces.

Men, to cut the long story short, at still some higher regions where even the electromagnetic forces would cease to dominate and give the place of prominence to strong interactions, simply because strong interactions mainly operate in the virtual realm, would develop the powers to go virtual here only to appear there, at some other place, again just as they are now shown in the same above-mentioned mythologies in the form of semi-gods or angels.

As to the bodies, animals may be having no legs only the middle bodies with comparatively larger heads than now. Men, besides having no legs may have only comparatively smaller middle bodies and may develop proportionately larger head regions (is that why some angels in Hindu mythologies are shown with more heads than one?).

Supermen, at those or at still some higher regions, where the weak forces would be the dominating forces, simply because they would operate again at the heart region would have comparatively smaller heads and larger middle/heart portions.

Progressing thus they would ultimately become like some far-off stars. We have in our own way called them the lumps of pure light or intelligence. And have explained the relevancy between these two in some previous chapter.

Mosc acquired the various bodies because of its entanglement into four basic forces, and as it would go on disentangling from them so it would go on shedding bodies. It is reasonable to assume that ultimately shorn of all bodies, in something similar to what the scientists call the gravitational collapse of a star, it would merge again into itself.

Though only to explode again and begin the universal evolution anew...

Love, Harb

Kate, thank you, yes living in the present and freedom go side by side.

Love, Harb

Todd!

I think there is a correlation there #63 with the image you presented. Would have to think about it. The all seeing eye of the witness should fit in there some how. That might be a good symbol for the "witness".

Dear DK, thank you.

I just happened to read a bit about "At hand in the universe." But one can immediately see that no explanation can go deeper in explaining evolution than that of 'going through four basic interactions. It is like seeing the thing from other side than the scientists see.

And it will have several interesting implications which we will discuss by and by.

To give just one example:

People in the west say that Darwinism explains how evolution happens. But according to my theory, evolution happens because of a system's going through four basic interactions and Darwin's theory only explains how to adapt to it...Even how to prevent it from happening in a way...

As Richard Dawkin, the author of "The Selfish Gene" says as quoted in my book "Evolution is something that happens, willy-nilly, inspite of the efforts of the replicators (and nowadays of the genes) to prevent it happening."

We can easily replace replicators and genes with us as well. We want to remain children but, thanks to our going through four basic interactions, are catapulted to youth, we want to remain youth but are catpulted into middle age, we want to remain middle agers but are catapulted into od age...and death...Isn't it?

Love, Harb

Dear Todd,

What you have described in words (pyramid) is easily understandable and correct. And in fact it says the same thing as Rumi's poem "I died as a mineral."

Love, Harb

Joanie, it was actually all the thought posted here that produced those images and the collective intent. Glad you like that, I am sure sure with additional thought it to change and grow. We could have the pyramid do something like travel through other symbols that we import or something, or perhaps they could come out of the pyramid...

Mieke and others mentioned spheres, perhaps spheres should also play a role not sure where.

For the attention of DK,

Pl refer last paragraph of my post #81

Dear DK, you see our being almost unwillingly catapulted to different phases from birth to death because of four basic interactions almost clinches the issue of the truth of our theory. But....

The Darwinians/hard-evolutionists generally say to counteract this (I know because I have read their one-sided arguments)that we are confusing evolution with growth. According to them, evolution talks of the change which goes from generation to generation, from species to species and not which takes place in one life time.

Now,if we can show that the same type of 'growth' and that means according to four basic interactions takes place at all levels from individual life, to the level of species and those inbetween, then I think the matter should really stand clinched. And I think we have done this to a great extent in my post 58 and in our posts at related previous threads.

What do you say?

In fact, what in Eastern philosophies is called "Rab Da Bhana" - is basically explaining this very inevitable scheme of things going through four basic interactions by other means. Again as in fact many other natural happenings were explained by previous generations.

Love, Harb

Hi DK,

Reading my above post someone may like to ask if our free will/consciousness has no say in this Rab Da Bhana...In this connection I am copying a paragraph I wrote at an other thread.

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Evolution happens at two levels. On a deeper level there runs a deterministic four basic interactions based explanation. But since in going through them we as spirits, as consciousness, as the representatives of the unified force, go on realizing our proportionate freedom, we can and do make surface difference on this deterministic course.

AS Indian Sage Ramana summed up to the effect: "(evolution is)like a train which is taking us to a predetermined destination, our efforts are like running in one of its compartments, with some of us thinking that perhaps by doing so we can reach our destination sooner, while others thinking that perhaps it is OUR EFFORTS which are taking us somewhere and there is no train underneath.

Harb

Dear DK,

I just write from my heart and i had no idea lol
Do agree with you :)

Dear Richard,

Perhaps those spheres could get a place in the four courners of the inverted pyramid in your model. When you look at the Star of David in a certain way you see a square in it too.

I altered the Star of David in this way by placing two on top of the inverted pyramid and two under the other one, so that it really becomes a vehicle that can travel (metaphorically) spoken into every direction: North, South, East, West, Up and Down :)

Dear Harb,

Speaking of free will and being underway to reach a destination or just trying to: this is all in the Game of Life, just like "being". But by doing it all we grow, cause that's what evolution is about.

So why not play around with those four forces and really design for instance a new Earth in the form of a game environment.

We already have let a "baby" been born by playing around with words and images to get our imagination running.

I think the four forces are great building blocks to figure out the best environment for our "baby" to grow.

Now as you have written in your book: the forces come in a certain order: first the weak, then the strong, then the electromagnetic and then the gravitational one. But they wind themselves up in the opposite direction, so: gravitational, electromagnetic, strong and weak.

What would be the building blocks for the first force (gravity) to really let our "baby" develop its full potentional.

Can we make this visible into a 3D picture or world like you mentioned? Gravitown?

Love, Mieke

Mieke, you are right. We must try our best, more so as it is only near the end that we really come to know that things happen on their own. It is just like sex, first you do things and then beyond a certain point you just cant stop them even if you try looooooooool. And lastly, even then later you can begin planning for the next round.

Harb, in a playful mood...

PS: The gravitown will be built with molecules/clay//minerals/crystals, populated with cave men/ men of middle ages, children, and so on, just read my thread 58 you may find some inspiration...

Thanks Harb :)

North has already made a few backgrounds suitable for it. I got the idea to put in as many playful toys for children with large playing grounds as i can that might be appropriate.

Anyone else have other ideas?

Thank God for Harb and Richard!
I am glad you have the good sight to see what I have written! I have carried these experiences with me in isolation for years. Thanks for the great gift you have given me!
Todd

Dear Harb and Richard,
My email is mti2012@yahoo.com-If you have anything you would like to discuss of the path I would enjoy exchanging ideas!

Dear Harb,
Imagine trying to interact with a being that is composed of completely different forces than we are in this localized universe. To have any contact at all imagine we have one of (our) fundamental forces in common such as gravity. That would make interaction with these other dimensional beings quite unusual. I believe I am on to something here. I wonder if anyone else can envision this.
Todd

Dear Todd, you really seem on to something here. But as of now it escapes me. As I have quoted in my book "Spirits come but when and where, no one before hand can declare.." Seems now they have come to you. So you let your imaginations flow. We all will be benefitted. If something strikes me I will write here.

Yes, talking of your experience, you cannot talk about it to many people. None will understand you except the one who has himself/herself gone through it. You feel one with the whole world. In fact you don't sort of enter your body for a long time....Perhaps you have read about mine which I have posted here in the past under "my first experience of oneness"? If not I will post it here again. You will find many similarities.

You lovely heart shines through your words.

Love, Harb

For the attention of Dear DK (just in case you are further interested)

Some thoughts/quotes in support of four forces based theory of evolution.

Here is Paul Davies, author of many books and winner of Templeton Prize, in his book "Superforce".

"Careful study has shown that all of nature's activity can be reduced to the operation of just four fundamental forces. These forces are ultimately responsible for all the activity of the world; they are the source of all change. Each force has its similarities to and differences from the other forces. Understanding the properties of these four forces is a major task for the physicist and constitutes an essential preliminary on the road to the superforce (Unified Force)."

Comment: Indeed, we have understood the properties of these forces in our unified theory, though may be, not in the strict sense of the physicists. But then, the physicists too some day will have to explain their strict understanding if at all in the common language of the common people.
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2. Akin to my dividing the universal evolution into virtual and actual realms, physicists have divided the whole particle world into bosons and fermions.

Unified Force gets entangled into forces in the virtual world and manifests this entanglement in the actual world. I.e.,

Unified Force > virtual world > actual world

It means virtual world is associated with unified force on the one end and then acts as a messenger between it and the actual world.

Now read what Paul Davies have to say about bosons and fermions in the same book:

" All the messenger particles are bosons, where as quarks and leptons are all fermions. This means bosons tend to be associated with *force* whereas fermions are associated with *matter*(actual world)."

I have also equated elsewhere virtual world/world of bosons with mind and actual world/world of fermions with body. And here are a few words of Paul Davies also underlining this fact:

"The distinction of bosons and fermions is big one in physics. The fermions are possessed of a sort of xenophobia, and do not permit their siblings to come too close...

In contrast with the isolationist behavior of fermions bosons positively love to get together. "

Comment: just imagine all our thoughts (arrangements of virtual bosons in various permutations and combinations) sort of sitting together around our basic core, our "I" while all our world outside (arrangement of actual fermions in various permutations and combinations) is extended.

No wonder physicists are finding it difficult to unify the strong force, the force relating to bosons, to thoughts, to mind, with all the others which belong to the body or the physical world.

Love, Harb

More on Unification in terms of pyramids:

1. Two inverted pyramids represent the physical world and the anti-world.

Upward pointing pyramid: E = + m (+c)2
Downward pointing pyramid: E = - m (+c)2

It is like a tree and it roots.

Now in tree's third, strong interactions phase, the whole tree goes virtual in its seed, where everything of it finally gets connected non-locally (it has begun to get entangled into forces for its next round simultaneously as it is getting disentangled from them in its present round).

Then the seed falls on the ground. Were we seeing the tree from within we will find the seed/tree now falling into some black hole.

Lastly, the body of the seed begins to fall apart, and the 'tree' comes out of the prison of strong interactions to the openness of weak interactions, wherein it gets connected to the whole world all at once. The last two phases are represented by

E = + m (-c)2

Now, just as it is at the point of finishing its previous evolutionary journey here, and in the process opens up or falls apart fully, simultaneously in comes through the developed free space what here may be called the free energy of the earth but which in the case of the universe will be the unified force.

It will again begin to gather up the 'tree' in the virtul form in sort of a spiraling motion. Let us denote it by point A.

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Now coming back to the inverted pyramid, which is like the roots of the tree, it is represented by

E = - m (+c)2

The part which links it to the point A, from where the story of tree's roots really begins is represented by

E = - m (- c)2

The free energy of the earth plus earth itself and finally the unified force plus the whole what may be called steady state Universe (as opposed to the evolving universe), represents to what at human levels we call consciousness.which is same as spiritual realm.

Hi All, have I a point here?

Love, Harb

You certainly have a point here Harb and in my opinion there are two spiralling balls missing in the above version of the Vajrayogini mandala, in the lower and upper apex of the pyramids. Perhaps the ball in the lower apex may act as a motor to catapult one to the upper one?

This is what comes up in my mind at the moment. I am out for the day, will let it rest for a while and come back to you later.

Love, Mieke

Just to add, tree and its roots are like our body and brain.

The rest on both sides is what comes out to be known as our mind. It represents our disentanglement from our present karma(residue of forces) even as through it we are getting entangled into our next karma.

Harb

Harb check post #19 under Syamala's pyramid.
Todd

Thanks for quoting my translation to Aser Eder's book.
I'd like to know more about hexagrams in Tibetan culture (like in your following excerpt):
"In Buddhism, some old versions of the Bardo Thodol, also known as The Tibetan Book of the Dead, contain a hexagram with a Swastika inside".
If you have interesting hexagram photos please let me know.

Thanks for quoting my translation to Asher Eder's book.
I'd like to know more about hexagrams in Tibetan culture (like in your following excerpt):
"In Buddhism, some old versions of the Bardo Thodol, also known as The Tibetan Book of the Dead, contain a hexagram with a Swastika inside".
If you have interesting hexagram photos please let me know.

Dr Matai please email me I saw you in front of Sadhu Ram Ji in Timber Cove.

Masters love,

James

Dr. Matai we met in Timber Cove at Sadhu Ram Ji feet. Please email me.

Mastersun

Dr.Matai,

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Blessings in his love.

James