Reading these ongoing discussions so stimulates my gratitude and I thank you.

From above ... 2 quotes

"However, in order to engage in a serious and constructive dialogue with the scientific as well as spiritual/religious community, we must develop a sound theory that integrates the science of consciousness of the spiritual masters and mystics."

and

"In the scientific world, especially in the biological sciences, the neurobiological consciousness of the human brain-mind is commonly represented and studied as the only consciousness that exists as reality."

So it seems to me it is time for coordination with neurologists, chiropractors and Montak Chia or others like him.

I saw a movie once called No Such Thing. It was about the devil and how he was just an ugly telepathic guy everybody was talking about and he went and lived in a remote area on the edge of water to cut down on disturbing transmissions. Meanwhile a secondary plot had a lovely, sweet, well-intentioned girl having painful, painful spinal surgery she was required to be conscious for.

The magic of the spine and other nerve bundles functioning like brains can be the testable things that lead to proof that people need to confirm spirit (?) coordination in human functioning. So all brain/mind focus and assumption really may not render solutions.

It will help if people believe in the people who can see things others cannot see. Scientists do this often for they know that in a chemistry experiment, sometimes it is the weight of the residual that determines what happened during the process. They then deduce a conclusion.

So if a mystic worked with a neurologist, a chiropractor, a high-level master, a computer programmer, and a medical device creator ... you would have something more than a CAT scan and that is what may be needed.

Simple is good. Yet when I buy prepared meals I take a moment to picture the people who made that simple removal of a lid, then fork to mouth, and instant fulfillment possible.

The Divine Dream
The universe is dreamed into existence by The void. It is an eternal (ongoing) phenomena. Each of us is a player in The Creation Mystery. Even the most concrete scientific facts are merely momentary creations of the Cosmic Mind. All things conceivable to the mind are merely(patterns for the time being)! Human beings have walked on water, risen from the dead, performed countless so-called miracles such as teleportation, materialization of objects and all manner of events psychic. These events occured in sharp contrast to the (hard evidence) of the then current scientific norm. I have no doubt even more miraculous events shall occur as well as miracles unknown to the public eye. The Cosmic Mind performs these miracles through us all at one time or another. I like to keep the lucid dreamer in mind. When he knows he is dreaming his very thoughts become reality within his or her dream. He is waking up within the dream itself. The interaction of science and true reality is in it's infancy in this age. The greatest scientists will take into account the effect of the observer on the (thing) observed. Ultimately I see the current sciences disintegrating giving way to new sciences that are the materialization of what we are envisioning with this dialogue. The philosopher will become the scientist while the scientist will become the philosopher. The Cosmic Spirit will rule the Earth in all it's glory!
Todd

Dear DK,

Great post, read the first part, I will spend more time absorbing it later tonight.

The other day I was trying to comprehend "planes" in the metaphysical sense better than I do, what exactly are they?

So I was reading Wikipedia on the concept and I came across this.

Planes of existence are sometimes referred to as "eggs". For example, the Sanskrit term Brahmanda translates to "the Egg of God". In this context, Brahmanda is thought to encompass the Anda (astral or subtle) and Pinda (physical or gross) eggs, in a way metaphorically analogous to a set of Russian dolls — the larger containing the next smaller, which contains the next smaller, and so on.

So I am thinking would the outer most object of the Holistic Pyramid actually be an egg / ovoid?

Could the observer be a smaller layered ovoid with an eye?

With the 4 forces and science still being pyramids?

The ovoid is a very iteresting thing actually the Divine ratio is found in it just like the pyramid. In fact I think the 3 constants of divine design are in it.

The other thing about the 5th force. Could it be at the moment considered the "Mysterious Force".

Thoughts anyone?

My thoughts are very much on this lucid dreamer..........

To be more awake in our dreams and dream more when we are awake.

Avtar,

I liked figure one. I agree with most of your points and have also found validitity in similar thought based on reason, logic and experience.

They also still seem to be able to support the stateful nature of the universe, if that proves to be valid.

You did a good job of articulating goals and intention.

This is an interesting story, if it holds to be true for multiple reasons, one being that I face a similar situation. The one thing I would question was that the person referred to the CIA as restriciting access to their research in the past, and it has been my experience that the NSA is the active agent in this area not the CIA. In my case it was information technology related and involves no restrictions on me or the technology and was only a transfer of knowledge regarding the technology.

"Research into paranormal activity supported by the head of the nation's most prominent university has drawn the ire of members of its physics department, who accuse their chief of violating scientific ethics."

www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2007/02/02/2003347323

Or click my name below

Dear Tapestry:

” So if a mystic worked with a neurologist…’

This is already happening wherein neuroscientists are studying the brain and mind functions of meditating monks. What they find is intriguing that mind can change the neurology of the brain via meditation. You can read more at the Mind and Life institute’s website at the following link:

http://www.mindandlife.org

Dear Level7:

Let me provide a perspective on – Void or the so-called nothingness, which is nothing but an absence of matter. However, absence of matter is mistakenly regarded by mainstream scientists as well as common folks as the emptiness or nothingness. This is in direct contradiction of the modern science’s own finding that even the absolute vacuum or empty space is full of energy; so void is full of energy, which is also equivalent of mass according to Einstein’s theory- E=mC2. Hence, this whole concept of the void is outdated and misleading both scientifically and from reality point of view. Pure energy (such as consciousness) is as much a reality that exists as the matter. That is what leads to my statement:

“What exists now always existed in the past and will exist in future. Nothing can come out of nothing (void) without violating the laws of conservation. Nothing (void) never existed, nor will ever exist.”

Dear Richard:

Thanks for your kind and thoughtful comments.
Here are some of my thoughts on – “The planes of existence”. The consciousness of the observer is what determines the nature of the observed. While, the ultimate truth exists eternally and Omni presently un-manifested in space and time, the observed reality is entirely relative to the level of consciousness of the observer. Each different plane of existence in this sense is a reflection of the consciousness of the observer. This also explains the many parallel universes pointed out by quantum mechanics and string theory; these being the reflections of different levels of consciousness as shown in Figure 1 (that you seem to like). Theoretically, there could be infinite numbers of planes of existence (also space-time combinations) each reflecting a certain level of consciousness. For example, the so-called neurobiological or bodily consciousness reflects only the worldly consciousness of material universe that is afflicted with time and evolution. A fully conscious or enlightened mind such as Buddha, Nanak, Jesus, Krishna, will observe or be aware of the one wholesome universe beyond the affliction of the relativity of space and time.
In a nutshell, the planes of existence are nothing but different planes or levels of consciousness of the mind of the observer.

The Fifth Force:

It is not mystery at all; it is the consciousness, anti-gravity, or the expansive force of the vacuum or the zero-point energy that is also causing the observed expansion of the universe as measured via the Hubble Telescope. In my book, I provide a mathematical equation for this, which turns out to be the missing equation or Einstein’s “Hidden Factor”. It is the same phenomena ( I do not like to call it the force since it is not involuntary as the expansive energy represents free will) that allows a photon of light to exist (without any external or involuntary force being applied to it) all over the universe in the (expansive) wave form as has been proven by scientific experiments verifying non-locality of photons.

Please also see my comments on void or Ovoid above.

Love & Regards,
Avtar
avsingh@alum.mit.edu

I enjoyed this post of DK's, as many of the others on God & Science. I really liked the first picture. However, when I saw the light grid above the earth, there was no center point, but the outside straight lines curving in appeared to be similar, but the space was more open from my vantage point. So either I was the center or the earth was. But surely I was only seeing a portion of the earth's light grid and I wonder if the whole picture looks like what DK posted. Nice to see it again. BTW: I also saw exactly what I saw on the www (after I saw it myself), so I know other people have seen the earth’s light grid. It might have even been on the chopra.com website (?), but I do remember it was an artist’s drawing. I know .... it sounds strange and unbelievable.

Love, Char

Avtar,

You know it just clicked in my mind reading your comment that Ovoid contains the word "void".
O void

In geometry, an oval or ovoid (from Latin ovum, 'egg') is any curve resembling an egg or an ellipse. Unlike other curves, the term 'oval' is not well-defined and many distinct curves are commonly called ovals.

Interesting word meaning synchronicity?

Anyway there are some interesting properties of the ovoid related to energy and pyramids and the earth.

This page has been up for over a year I guess not just by coincidence it is part of the "clues" collection for assembly of the puzzle pieces into a complete picture. I think there are some strong clues in this material.

THE UBIQUITOUS OVOID

it covers

The Golden Egg
We are now in a position with this basic knowledge to consider a key shape in earth energies - The Golden Egg. This is a special case of the four arc ovoid model in which the distance around the egg - its perimeter, divided by the sum of the major and minor axes of the ovoid, gives the Golden Ratio, 1.6180339…

part of the conclusion

It has been shown that there is indeed very close linkage between the Golden Egg – the archetypal shape of life and the basic tetrahedral geometry of earth energies, as found for example in Stone and Crop Circles. An interesting mathematical relationship between the numbers of ancient science and the modern theory of Chaos has been uncovered.

It now starts to link even pyramid geometry with the Fractal Geometry of Nature – a rather new concept in mankind`s philosophy of the Cosmos. Although much work remains to be done, at least it is now possible to see that the ancient morphologies of Nature are consistent with the newer chaotic dynamic visions now emerging.

The missing link is that of Mind – the key to our ability to dowse. The connections here await an exposé at a later date.

link or click my name

infiniteplaythemovie.com/The_Golden_Egg.aspx

Dear Avtar,

If anything is relative, it's certainly the subject of beauty.

We have simply beautiful, positively beautiful,
absolutely beautiful, extraordinarily beautiful...

Nature provides a wide variety of flora and fauna,
sky and mountain, cave and gorge, and as such,
exhibits a creative complexity which is in and
of itself plane beautiful.

From the above and beyond models that are under discussion here,
it seems to me, if I were the I Am-God, and humans
were the only responsible party (regarding my existence),
it seems to me that I, being Omnipotent and such...
I should not have all my eggs in One basket, so to speak.
Why, I should have gazillions of Earths...
and mega-gazillions of human beings to go around.
Just in case they all fall asleep at the same time.
Well, not time, bad choice of Word.
The same moment...there, how's That?

Scienciousness? Spell-check doesn't like that Word either.
Conscience we already have, I hope.
Philosciosciousness? Sciereliconsisiveness?
Creatauniversaliousness? ^_^

Avtar,

I disagree and think the 5th force is a mystery that is why we are having this discussion. That is why science and spirtuality are not yet unified. That is why there is not a unified theory.

One may know the intention of the divine plan, but the details and what forms them is mysterious as in how we interact with it.

I think that for this project to be of greatest value it must result in two things other than providing an understanding.

1. A model for personal practical application that produces results.

2. A model that results / leads to practical scientific application.

As for #1 there appears to be one already just manifested by someone I know personally, and it is the type of thing any business, individual, or organization can apply, yet it is totally divine in nature yet not religious.

As for #2 there is an actual energy application a device that can be built for experimentation, now, firstly for proof of concept. How to manage it's functionality and the detail and precision need to be worked out what we are working on could fill those holes.

If it indeed works it would provide a cost effective storage component to the worlds energy infrastructure.

The key here is that no nation gets a monopoly on energy technology. Yes it could work as a weapon, this is why higher consciouness is key, as is the transfer of power and control to the people of the planet that operates in a collective fashion.

With this in place we can get rid of the nuclear arsenal, that all though it created a temporary stale mate is a risk to humanity (and perhaps others you are not aware of) and a waste of energy and expense.

If anyone is getting a grasp of where physics is leading to they would understand that this type of energy release could effect more than is observable to you, think of it as space pollution.

Which may be the reason, that there may of been a form of intervention during the cuban missle crisis, for those in a position to ask around there were events, that could have been lucky coincidence and this is simply fringe thinking, or maybe not.

Avtar: Are you the next avatar? So, there is that missing force the 5th, the four force theory is incompelete. The observations and perceptions are basically determined by the level of consciousness is quite true. We all are photons basically, not aware, that's why the mystics say we all are light.

To the honorable D.K.,

Since we must name this exploration, I like the wording of
Holistic Relativity better than Scienciousness.

The reason being(not me), we have this super old
information about all these supposed levels of Awareness
to attain to, and we plan to get to the bottom of the center.

Who knows someone who has gone up through all of these?
And lived to tell the story even though they would have
preferred to stay in the silence about it?
Is there anyone on Earth at this moment who hangs out
away up there beyond us normal people?
If so, could they explain what each and every level
feels like and what new information is found there?

If we cannot hang the proper carrot dangling from
a stick in front of everyone's nose they will disregard it.

What shall be the goal for the individual who has
lived with their feet on the ground all of their lives?
Does each level bring more peace, joy, love and understanding?
Will it make anybody rich? They'll all want to know that.
What's in it for me? Salvation? Liberation?
Some people will say, "I thought I already had that."

Have a nice day, Keith~

Dear DK,

There is already a Wikipedia post on Holism in Science:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holistic_science

Perhaps it is a good idea to link the articles discussed here to that post?

With love, Mieke

Another interesting development for myself and perhaps for others in this thread was the following:

I googled "earth's light grid" and came on a Dutch site: http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl and could download a free ebook about an effort to combine science and spirituality that goes from way back to the Egyptians, the Bible and the Veda's up to the present. The book is available in English and in Dutch.

Love,

Dear Avtar,
It is clear the void isn't emptiness or nothingness. In fact it is the complete polar opposite. It is infinite pure potential. Words cannot accurately describe it. Contemplating the laws of conservation of energy. Many seekers speak of masters who have lived there life and passed on. The laws of conservation dictate that people with similar levels of cosmic consciousness must exist today. Cosmic consciousness didn't die out with Jesus, Buddha or any other embodiment of itself. There is a trend toward infatuation with the (outer) world of forms and phenomena. A cosmic master lives within each person if he or she has the motivation to look for it. In fact, evolution dictates we are at a higher level of consciousness than a hundred or a thousand years ago. The enlightened master makes appearances in many places, ages and ways that are least expected.
Todd

You know a lot of this intellectual stuff goes way way over my head.
I get the overall jist of it, but I wish there was a master to expain it in terms that everyone could understand.

I'm not an intellect, I did not fit in very well with the school system, but I have enough snap to know how important this unification is.

Is there a way for the common person to at least get a basic understanding?

Do I just need to wait for my next life to understand?

Dear Doodleman,
Buy Deepak's
The Spontaneous Fulfillment of Desire
That book will take you where you need to go.

Richard,
I agree with your goals 1 and 2 in post #12. Goals such these make the whole dialogue more meaningful. I saw recently a DVD by Deepak, in which he explains how cosmic energy flows through the human body and strengths all parts and functions of the body. He also talks about a technique of meditation which increases this flow of cosmic energy, and even cures parts that are damaged and in pain. That seems to me like a step in towards goal #1.

Avtar,
I like your acronym GNM which stands for both Gravity Nullification Model and Guru Nanak Model!

Thanks level7 for the book refrence.

Dear DK & Friends:

Let me try to address some key comments and questions raised since yesterday by doodleman, syamala, and Richard:
1. Simple Explanation of Seemingly Complex Holistic Relativity Model GNM:

In plain simplest words, the model concludes – “It is all one” (Ek Onkar, Advaita). That is the ending sentence in my book – The Hidden Factor. There can be no simpler meaning than this oneness.

I can realize the difficulty a person unfamiliar with Einstein’s theory can have in understanding relativity theory and its vast implications to the universe and life. When I integrated with the simple message of oneness, it does wonders to explain the universe and its purpose. This miraculous wonder one can experience or realize only if one has time and energy to learn science and its details. I had almost no knowledge of the depth of the relativity theory six years ago, perhaps less than many of the folks on intentblog. But, the extended time and energy I spent in these past years was well worth it to realize and experience the real meaning of Ek Onkar and how it permeates every atom or life in this universe, and how accurately it represents the holistic relativity.

I also like the proposed name – “Holistic Relativity” rather than Scienciousness as I proposed in my book, as GNM is truly a Holistic integration of the general relativity theory.

2. Practicality

The most simple practical implication of GNM is –
“Dissolve the ego or mind to merge into the Oneness, so as to transcend time (birth/death) and space (desires) to achieve genuine contentment, which is the ultimate purpose of life.”

As you can see that these simple and practical messages representing the essence of the wisdom of the spiritual masters are not new. But the complexity and impracticality arises as the ego that represents the schizophrenia of the neurobiological mind, interprets these simple messages in terms of evolving complexity, chaos, and uncertainty of the bodily reality of evolution. And, hence, the scriptures are written by religions to try to answer thousands of questions and misinterpretations of the schizophrenic mind.

Bottom line – the root cause of the apparent loss of simplicity and practicality is not in the message but in the ego or mind afflicted with the evolutionary complexity, chaos, uncertainty, and increasing entropy.

Again, from practical point of view, some may achieve this realization of the ego enemy within by meditation or other means. The purpose of the Holistic Relativity model is to clarify and explain the fundamental truth and not prescribe means such as yoga, meditation, chanting, dancing etc as to how a person achieves it.

The Mystery of Fifth Force:

We must understand the concept of Force, which I think is the root cause of this misunderstanding. In science, the force represents a transfer of energy or momentum from one separated entity to another. Force can exist only on separated bodies, hence force by its very definition represents separation not unification. All forces must disappear in unification since there is no more separation in oneness.

Hence, a force of unification is by definition an oxymoron that is internally and scientifically inconsistent concept. What unifies cannot be a force, but an anti-force or energy. That is why even the new physics of particles is called the high energy physics and not the Four Forces physics. However, in metaphysics the word force is loosely or metaphorically used to represent the mysterious or unknown (God etc.).

Love & Regards,
Avtar
avsingh@alum.mit.edu

Avtar,
I am trying to understand how your scientific definition of "level of consciousness" as the ratio of the speed of a mass particle to the speed of light relates to what we mean by being conscious in ordinary English.
Here are some questions:
For example, inside an atom, are paticles which move with speeds close to the speed of light
at high levels of consciousness and free will (although not at the full level of consciousness of
the zero point energy)?
When they lose some mass and emit energy at finite frequencies and therefore finite wavelengths, is the converted mass, rather energy, fully conscious and has complete free will but not fully aware?
Does the light we see have free will and is it fully conscious but not fully aware?

To formulate different Physics definitions of consciousness and awareness, what is the difference in the meanings of the English words consciousness and awareness, did you use?

How do you define ego in the plot above?

This definition is in your paper not here:
“Consciousness is the kinetic energy of the extreme kind, wherein all matter in the universe exists in the complimentary state of the transformed eternal and non-local energy in fully dilated space and time continuum.” Since there is both matter and energy always in the universe, or at least as long as we know, does this extreme state coexist with every other state of the universe? Isn't there a contradiction there?

Dear DK,

"create a Wikipedia post on Holistic Relativity " ~DK

Perhaps, I looked at holistic science per Mieke and it was comprehensive and similar.

The intention -"Holistic Relativity seeks to integrate Spirituality and Science and also the four forces with the unifying fifth force..."- is unique and slightly different from but could be inclusive to Holistic Science.

What I wonder about is the context of the use of the word "Relativity".

It is my understanding that relativity and quantum physics don't work together. Also that the math of relativity fails inside a black hole, relativity explains a lot, and provides valid functions and understanding. It is if I am not mistaken mostly focused on gravity.

Of course this incongruity between relativity and quantum physics is a result of the missing link or element that would result in everything making sense when we discovered or comprehended it. it could also demonstrate that some erroneous assumptions have been made some where.

If relativity is somehow in relationship to the role of the observer in the converting potentiality to actuality then it could make sense.

So we spoke of the intention of Holistic Relativity but what is the definition?

With loving intention

Richard

Dear D.K.,

Thanks for the reply! You are fortunate to have been in the company of a Master. I have read a lot about
advanced spiritualists, mystics, adepts, etc.

If it is really, really true, that they can do what
no one else does, I'm dying to meet one...or a few.

I was looking for a statement from you that might be
perceived as a slogan, or a marketing idea.
The peoples interest must be caught and maintained
in order for any progress to be made, regarding our subject.
There is no product here to dispense so I hope
you can stay a not-for-profit research group.

There can be no monetary charges for the therapy
or the information that may be provided.

It is not only prudent but also wise, for us to
remember that this is being done for the good of humanity,
and not for any particular individual's gain.
Yes, one individual can make a difference but the
focus should be set on how we act and behave as a unit.
As in, the journey is as important as the destination
in the view of the public and examples we shall be.

"Love one another", basically sums up what needs to be seen.

The common man and woman cannot be left behind
in this endeavor. As has been pointed out, not
everyone will be concerned with the details or proofs.

The magic involved in investigation is the same
passion stirred by treasure hunting. We all know
something is missing. We just don't know who has it,
or where it resides...or do we?

Best wishes, Keith~

Dear DK and all here,
Here are a few statements from Deepak's latest book.
Whatever you are afraid to lose is unreal.
It is the soul which is real.
The essence will always remain.
Therefore you should celebrate loss.
# These statements I believe are from Ramana to Savitri. To contemplate these words of wisdom help to lessen the grip of illusion on your mind. They help to set you free from the trappings of existence.
Todd

Dear Richard,

You ask: 'what is the definition of Holistic Relativity?".

Could it be: "only Backwards Knowing what we all are going through" ?

In other words: we are gently pushed forward by this fifth force (Love), that might perhaps also be called Evolution.

Then: What is Evolution?

Evolution=Energy=Ether vibrations=Love

So L=(E)3 ?

Just some fantasy from my mind or a divine inspiration? I am vulnerable, but let it be :)

Loving intentions to you.

It takes the entire universe to manifest a single action. This powerful statement from Deepak is a great equalizer. Putting the so-called enlightened master and the seemingly ordinary person on equal terms. It unifies everything into a holistic whole!
Todd

Contemplating (It takes the entire universe to manifest a single action) dictates that even past, present and future events have an effect on each and every action. In other words the Cosmic Spirit pervades and acts through everything. In fact, (The Infinite) is manifesting everything!
Todd

Dear Richard,
When I read something that someone has written I try to let the words resonate with my spirit and (let the spirit) deliver a message. Of the many volumes of your writing I have seen the thing that stands out the most to me is-
The Full Immersion 3D Cosmic Movie
# Do you have any insights into these words?
Todd

Yes everything is everything, it's so simple. I don't understand it, but I know it, I can see it visually. Simple enough for even the common man or woman to see.

I see a convergence happening.

All the ingredients coming together, being stirred.

Once up to speed, like a gyroscope it will balance out and run smooth. Faster, smoother, balanced.

We just need to pull the string. With love.

peace comes from peace

derek

Dear DK & Friends:
Thanks for asking beautiful, thoughtful, and tough questions. This is what makes this Socratic Dialogue meaningful and enlightening. Please do not form or make any conclusions or judgments on what is being proposed or said here without searching for answers or true understanding of the very deep scientific and philosophical insights being discussed here.
Let me try to address some key comments and questions raised since yesterday by syamala, and Richard:

Richard has raised the questions regarding the incompatibility between relativity theory and quantum mechanics, and related unresolved singularities and paradoxes – black hole, dark matter/energy etc. These very issues have been resolved by the spirituality-based consciousness-integrated general relativity theory (GNM) in my book.
It is apparent (and I do not expect) that everyone has not had a chance to read and understood my book in its entirety. So, let me try to explain in simple words as much as I can.
What is miraculous and beautiful that the simple spiritual message of the spiritual masters – “Dissolve your Ego and merge into the One” translates into a mathematical equation (equation 3-2) missing from the Einstein’s general relativity theory. Integrating this equation completes the general relativity as the Holistic Relativity theory making it a theory of everything. It then resolves all paradoxes of relativity and quantum mechanics as described in Chapter 2 of my book below:

“In spite of the great milestones achieved by science during the past few centuries, unresolved questions and unexplained paradoxes remain that threaten to pull the rug from under the picture of reality painted by the combined knowledge of science. GNM resolves the open questions and paradoxes listed below:

1. Action at a Distance:

Theory of relativity [1] poses a limit on the speed at which a signal can be transmitted from one point to another in the universe. This limit is the speed of light, denoted by the constant C. Quantum mechanics, however, stipulates a connectivity or capability of instantaneous communication in the universe. Such connectivity has been further confirmed theoretically by the famous Bell’s Theorem [2] and experimentally demonstrated to be true by experiments such as those carried out by Aspect [2] in the past decade. This creates a big question –

‘Is there a limit on the maximum speed at which an event can influence another event happening at a different location in the universe?’

2. Nature of Reality [3]:

The human observer observes large objects such as stars, planets and small objects such as rocks, trees and particles. Some of these appear stationary and some are in motion. The classical mechanics theory describes laws of motion of ordinary small and large objects at relatively lower speeds than the speed of light. Theory of relativity describes the laws of motion at higher speeds close to the speed of light. Quantum mechanics describes the probabilistic behavior of small quantum particles based on Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle [1] and wave/particle complementarity principal.

According to the Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, both the location and velocity of a particle can not be specified at any given time without an irreducible uncertainty that exists in nature. So a complete space-time description of a moving particle can not be absolutely specified in terms of deterministic parameters. This raises the following questions-

‘If a deterministic space-time description of small quantum particles is not possible, how is it possible for a human observer to observe objects that are made of small moving particles, with well defined spatial location and boundaries in real life?’

‘If the fundamental description of motion of small particles can only be probabilistic, then what makes the laws of classical mechanics so deterministic?

‘Does God play dice with the universe?’

3. Gravity:

Gravity provides the glue that holds the objects in the universe such as galaxies, stars, and planets together via attractive forces between masses of all sizes. While quantum models of all other forces existing in nature are possible, gravity has defied any quantum description in terms of any fundamental particles. This raises the following question-
‘What is the fundamental nature and mechanism of gravity?’
‘Does gravity exist as a fundamental force even if there were no mass in the universe? What leads to the force of gravity in the universe?’

4. Missing or Dark Matter in the Universe:

The observed universe is flat requiring that there is sufficient amount of mass in the universe to maintain its density close to the constant value of the critical density in spite of its observed run-away expansion. But the observed amount of mass is significantly insufficient to predict the flat and expanding universe. Predictions from credible theories show that more than ninety percent of the required mass is missing or undetectable through direct observation of the universe. The questions that arise then are-

‘Where and in what form is the missing or dark matter [4] in the universe?’

‘What are the constituents of the dark matter?’

5. The Big Bang:

Based on the observed Hubble expansion, it is now believed that the universe started with a Big Bang [4] at the beginning of time. This leads to a discontinuity or singularity in the universe model and several questions listed below:

‘What caused the Big Bang?’

‘What was there before the Big Bang? What were the initial and boundary conditions of the Big Bang?’

‘Will the universe collapse again and lead to another Big Bang?’

6. The observed Order, Simplicity and Comprehensibility in the Universe:

To the human observer the universe seems to be extremely orderly and following simple comprehensible laws that are fine-tuned for existence. This leads to the following questions-

‘What causes the universe to be so orderly and fine tuned?’

‘Why do we happen to be here at this time to comprehend the simple yet a wonderful and elegant universe? (Anthropic Principle [5])

‘Why is the universe so comprehensible to human mind?’

7. Number of Universes:

Quantum mechanics’ interpretations of the observed universe lead to the possibility of multiple parallel universes [2]. This model of multiple universes explains many of the observed quantum weirdness that can not be explained by a single universe model. But it leads to several questions-

‘Are there parallel universes?’

‘If yes, how many and how are they connected?

‘Do the same laws of nature exist in all universes?’

‘How are the events in one universe related or connected to the events in the other universes?’

‘Did all the universes start with the same one Big Bang or individual Big Bangs?’

8. Time:

More recent theories of time [6,7] point to the possibility that there is no real or absolute time in the universe. Theory of relativity states that time is a relative entity that depends upon the velocity of the observer. For an observer moving at the speed of light the clock stops and time completely dilates to zero. The questions that can be asked are-

‘Is time a real entity or only a perception of the human mind?’

‘If the age of the universe is about fourteen billion years, what is the frame of reference?’

‘What happens to time and how it is related in parallel universes?’

‘Did time start with the Big Bang? What was the time before the Big Bang? How much time remains until the next Big Bang? What happens to time in a Big Crunch?’

9. The Observer and the Scientific Method:

Science relies on the measurements made by either an instrument or the direct observations made by a human observer to arrive at a scientific conclusion. It is believed that the consciousness of the human observer [2] is what collapses the wave function in quantum mechanics into an observed classical reality. It is also assumed that a human observer is an independent entity unaffected by what is being observed. This leads to the following questions.

‘What is the physics behind the phenomena of the collapse of a quantum wave-function?’

‘If quantum mechanics stipulates connectivity of the universe, how an observer is independent and unaffected by the observed?’

‘Are the observed scientific parameters by classical measuring devices sufficient and adequate for describing the true nature of reality that is?’

‘Is the subjective (un-manifested or dark matter) part of reality more dominant than the so-called objective (manifested or material) reality? How do they relate to each other and to the universal reality as a whole?’

‘Is the reality observed by science converging or diverging or evolutionary with time?’

With so many of the important questions regarding the fundamental reality in the universe still remaining to be answered, it is premature to declare victory and the end of science [10]. The serious question is whether the classical scientific method, while successful in describing the material part of the universe, has any fundamental weakness that could make it incapable of revealing the true reality of the universe.

The motivation for this work is to accomplish the following:

1. Answer the above questions by reexamining the fundamental assumptions of the scientific method and widely accepted theories of science today.

2. Find the missing physics, which Einstein alluded to as “the Hidden Factor” in the existing theories. This missing link hopefully will close the apparent gaps between the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics, which are two of the most successful theories in their own rights. ‘The Hidden Factor’ may also provide answers to many of the open questions listed above.

3. Provide a physical and mechanistic basis to explain an apparent weirdness of quantum mechanics phenomena.

4. Extract some simple comprehensible insights that can benefit a common man to understand reality and to rejuvenate his confidence in science. Science has become too complex, as it requires understanding of complex concepts of uncertainty and probabilities that are too far removed from the grasp of a common man. Science has become a field for the super experts creating a wider gap with the common man. Simplicity and elegance of science needs to be restored to enhance its credibility, comprehensibility and acceptance.

5. Close the gap between science and religion. The ongoing debate between science and religion for the past centuries has been caused by the basic differences in the methods of science and religion to observe and perceive reality. Science observes reality by separating the observer and dividing the observed reality into particles of matter. Religion on the other hand has ignored scientific observations and relies on faith to propagate the concept of a creator- the God. Science has ignored the inherent spontaneity or consciousness in nature, while religion has ignored the actual observations of the universe. An integrated scientific model that includes spontaneity or consciousness will go a long way to answer the fruitless and endless debate between science and religion. The belief is that there is one common reality, which both science and religion attempt to describe in their own frames of references. This work is an attempt to build a bridge of consciousness between the two apparently different islands of science and religion.”

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Proposed Definition of Holistic Relativity:

I propose the following definition of Holistic Relativity:

“Holistic Relativity consists of the Einstein’s general relativity theory in its original unaltered form but enhanced by the mathematical formulation of the well-established phenomenon of spontaneity or consciousness in nature as evidenced in the observed spontaneous expansion of the universe, spontaneous conversion of mass-energy in the wave-particle duality, and spontaneity or consciousness of the human mind. Since the original formulation of general relativity remains unaltered, the Holistic Relativity retains all the validity and predictability of a vast array of scientific experiments and universe observations. However, the enhancement or augmentation of general relativity by addition of an addition equation representing spontaneity or consciousness in nature not only resolves its known deficiencies and singularities, but also resolves all inconsistencies with quantum mechanics. The Holistic Relativity provides a mathematical framework that explains the inner workings of quantum mechanics and resolves its own unexplained paradoxes such as the Quantum Measurement or the Observer’s Paradox, parallel universe, Heisenberg’s uncertainty, non-locality (infinite speed of light) etc. Further still, the Holistic Relativity resolves the well known paradoxes of cosmology such as the Big Bang singularity, superluminous inflation, dark energy, dark matter, the paradox of time and evolution, and future of the universe etc. And most importantly, it builds a seamless bridge between science, spirituality, and religion resolving their log-standing conflicts related to creator, creation, purpose, meaning, and genuine happiness.”

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Now, answers to syamala’s important questions:

In simple words, ego is equivalent of mass. Just as mass is nothing but energy compressed or confined in fixed space and time, ego represents the consciousness energy confined into the fixed convictions, beliefs, and emotions of the mind. Just as the boundaries of mass give it a worldly identity as a particle or thing, the boundaries of the ego (mind) give a human being a biological or worldly identity of “I”.
Consciousness is motion. According to the physics laws of motion, no motion can exist in the universe without consciousness or free will. Inanimate matter cannot move itself. Whatever moves cannot move without a motion or force being initiated or induced by a free willed entity. A car cannot move without a conscious being. Hence, consciousness is motion and the level of consciousness is the level of motion reflected in the speed. Since, the maximum speed cannot exceed the speed of light, the ultimate or highest level of motion or consciousness is represented by C, the speed of light, which also represents the full enlightenment.

Awareness is the actual being or knowing in space and time as represented by the extent of a wave signified by its wavelength. According to the GNM equation 3-2 that has been added to general relativity, when a particles decays its mass to completely to become radiative energy at the speed of light its mass goes to zero and wavelength becomes infinite signifying total or wholesome awareness of the entire universe.

Is light fully conscious or aware? Depends upon the frequency and wavelength, which again depends upon the actual mass of the particular photon ( note that so long a photon has a finite energy it has a finite mass, and hence a finite wavelength. The following is an excerpt (without equations since I am unable to paste them on the intentblog) from Chapter 6 of my book describing a God particle:

“Frequencies and wavelengths of a self-decaying photon with a rest mass of M0, can be calculated using equations (4-7) and (4-8) for varying values of velocity. Figure 4-12 shows photon wavelengths predicted by equations (4-8) for two different photon masses of 1x10-45 kilogram and 1x10-35 kilogram respectively. At zero velocity, the wavelength predicted by GNM equation (4-8) is zero and as V increases to C the wavelength increases to infinity. Since the wavelength is inversely proportional to the rest mass, the wavelength for the lighter rest mass is proportionally longer than the heavier one. In order to demonstrate the non-locality of a very light mass particle due to its dramatically large wavelength, we will calculate the ratio of the wavelength of a self-decaying mass given by equation (4-8) to the radius or size of the universe predicted by GNM Equation (5-21) describing the Relativistic Hubble Model (RHM):
(4-8)
(5-21)

Dividing the above two equations and simplifying gives the following,
(6-26)
For small velocity V<<C, the above equation simplifies to the following,
(6-27)
We can now calculate the rest mass of a particle, defined here as the God-particle for which the wavelength is equal to the Hubble radius of the universe as follows,
(6-28)
For a Hubble Constant of 2.27E-18 sec.-1, the rest mass of a God-particle is calculated to be 1.66x10-68 kilograms. Figure 6-8 shows the ratios of wavelengths to the Hubble radius calculated by equation (6-26) for a Planck’s mass, proton, electron and the God-particle. As is apparent, the ratios of wavelength to Hubble radius for a Planck’s mass, proton and electron are several orders of magnitude smaller (< 10-38) than the ratio of 1 for the God-particle. Hence, the God-particle has equal and 100% probability to be at all points in the universe, satisfying an ideal non-locality, as compared to the protons or electrons, which will be located or confined to much smaller regions of their wavelengths. Also, the God-particle will appear to be in perfect coherence and entanglement all over the universe because of its wavelength encompassing the entire universe.

In summary, GNM provides a mathematical and physical understanding of the observed Quantum Entanglement or Quantum Non-locality.”

Now, symala, answer to your beautiful question:
“Since there is both matter and energy always in the universe, or at least as long as we know, does this extreme state coexist with every other state of the universe? Isn't there a contradiction there?”

GNM establishes the mass-energy equivalence of general relativity, which states that all states of the mass-energy continuum of the universe are complimentary and equivalent, meaning that they all potentially exist. It is the observer’s consciousness (speed of the measuring device), that forces that state to manifest as the observed reality which matches the speed (consciousness) of the observer – this is to satisfy the continuity or conservation of momentum principle. Hence, the observer’s speed or consciousness selects or chooses a material reality to manifest in the matching chosen state out of all the infinite other possible states that exist as a continuum of the mass-energy-space-time continuum.

In a nutshell, the observer’s consciousness determines the observed reality, which is only a small or specific chosen subset of the wholesome ensemble of all possible realities representing the ultimate truth or consciousness.

Love & Regards,
Avtar
avsingh@alum.mit.edu

Once Again In case you missed it:

Proposed Definition of Holistic Relativity:

I propose the following definition of Holistic Relativity:

“Holistic Relativity consists of the Einstein’s general relativity theory in its original unaltered form but enhanced by the mathematical formulation of the well-established phenomenon of spontaneity or consciousness in nature as evidenced in the observed spontaneous expansion of the universe, spontaneous conversion of mass-energy in the wave-particle duality, and spontaneity or consciousness of the human mind. Since the original formulation of general relativity remains unaltered, the Holistic Relativity retains all the validity and predictability of a vast array of scientific experiments and universe observations. However, the enhancement or augmentation of general relativity by addition of an addition equation representing spontaneity or consciousness in nature not only resolves its known deficiencies and singularities, but also resolves all inconsistencies with quantum mechanics. The Holistic Relativity provides a mathematical framework that explains the inner workings of quantum mechanics and resolves its own unexplained paradoxes such as the Quantum Measurement or the Observer’s Paradox, parallel universe, Heisenberg’s uncertainty, non-locality (infinite speed of light) etc. Further still, the Holistic Relativity resolves the well known paradoxes of cosmology such as the Big Bang singularity, superluminous inflation, dark energy, dark matter, the paradox of time and evolution, and future of the universe etc. And most importantly, it builds a seamless bridge between science, spirituality, and religion resolving their log-standing conflicts related to creator, creation, purpose, meaning, and genuine happiness.”

Love & Regards,

Avtar Singh

In case you missed it above:

Proposed Definition of Holistic Relativity:

I propose the following definition of Holistic Relativity:

“Holistic Relativity consists of the Einstein’s general relativity theory in its original unaltered form but enhanced by the mathematical formulation of the well-established phenomenon of spontaneity or consciousness in nature as evidenced in the observed spontaneous expansion of the universe, spontaneous conversion of mass-energy in the wave-particle duality, and spontaneity or consciousness of the human mind. Since the original formulation of general relativity remains unaltered, the Holistic Relativity retains all the validity and predictability of a vast array of scientific experiments and universe observations. However, the enhancement or augmentation of general relativity by addition of an addition equation representing spontaneity or consciousness in nature not only resolves its known deficiencies and singularities, but also resolves all inconsistencies with quantum mechanics. The Holistic Relativity provides a mathematical framework that explains the inner workings of quantum mechanics and resolves its own unexplained paradoxes such as the Quantum Measurement or the Observer’s Paradox, parallel universe, Heisenberg’s uncertainty, non-locality (infinite speed of light) etc. Further still, the Holistic Relativity resolves the well known paradoxes of cosmology such as the Big Bang singularity, superluminous inflation, dark energy, dark matter, the paradox of time and evolution, and future of the universe etc. And most importantly, it builds a seamless bridge between science, spirituality, and religion resolving their log-standing conflicts related to creator, creation, purpose, meaning, and genuine happiness.”

Love & Regards,

Avtar

Avtar,
Thanks for the answers.
So, the answer to the question "Does the light we see have free will and is it fully conscious but not fully aware?" is yes. No doubt, it is conscious and has free will according to your physics definitions of level of consciousness, free will, and awareness. But is it conscious as what conscious means in English? Does it really have free will as what free will means in English? What about all those laws of physics that describe light phenomena? Don't they imply that light's behavior is predictable? Light strictly obeys those laws whenever it is presented with the situations specified in those laws. It has no ability to violate them. That is NOT free will. I remember in one of Amit Goswami's books, he described a phenomena where light changed its path from the source as though it knew that there was going to be a mirror at a particular point in its path and therefore behaved as though it knew the future! One such phenomenon that optics is unable to explain so far does not mean that light has free will. It may be just that there is something else to still to be learnt.
I agree ego is equivalent of mass, ie., metaphorically but may not be the same as mass. Similarly, consciousness is equivalent to energy metaphorically but NOT the same as energy. Energy which is created from mass (the dumbest thing in the world) according to a known formula E=Mc2 is obedient to that law. It has no ability to violate that law. How can you say it has free will? Similarly, your God-particle (I have no problem with that name, I love it) allowed you to calculate its rest mass using all sorts af rules; so it obeys those rules, it has no free will. I agree it is non-local but it need not be conscious. Consciousness is non-local but who says everything that is non-local is conscious? Isn't consciousness beyond speech and beyond thought ("vakya manateeta")? If you can define something by means of a language (which is nothing but a set of rules of grammer) or describe its behavior by means of a law or formula or theory, it is NOT consciousness because it is subject to those laws and hence has no free will.
Again, consciousness is equivalent to motion metaphorically but need not actually be motion. It is "nishchala" is it not? For example, that a car needs a conscious being to move it, is no longer true; nowadays, a robot can drive a car. Actually, in these days of Artificial Intelligence, one should ask the question "is there any thing at all that a machine cannot do and which a human being can do?"
Asking this question did give me some answers which I presented in some papers before the internet age. I posted some of it on http://primordality.com/consciousness.htm#living and on http://mindmatter.125mb.com.

You being a distinguished physicist, I do not doubt for a minute that your zero-point energy definition and approach are able to explain many paradoxes of physics and phenomena in nature that physics has not been able to explain so far. I have no problem if you call the zero-point energy as consciousness and free will but they would be consciousness and free will as defined in physics. I am not sure that it is the same consciousness and unifying love experienced by our spiritual Masters.

Dear Avtar and Syamala,
I am not a physicist. However one thing I am sure of is that through the penetration of the kundalini energy (consciousness) through the crown chakra a dissolution of the illusion of separation occurs. The effect of gravity is also lifted or subsides with this alteration within the human bio-energy system. I know this through direct experience and I feel others who have had a similar experience can validate what I am saying. In regards to the lessening of gravity within the body-mind energy system it stands to reason that the effect of gravity and the awareness of oneness are interrelated. Perhaps there is even another form of gravity that we in this discussion are not taking into account (spiritual gravity). Is it plausible that the spiritual energy within the body-mind system is subject to a spiritual gravity emanating from the spirit within us or perhaps even the spiritual universe. Clearly, a scientific philosophy or system that only accounts for material forces is incomplete. Is it possible we are all experiencing a tug of war between two universes (material and spiritual) and as we ascend to higher levels there is a higher unification of the two.
Todd

If Dr Avtar Singh's presentation resolves all inconsistancies as enumerated in points 1 to 5, and in addition is in concise MATHEMATICAL FORM, I fail to understand why DK should not take it to the scientific community at CERN or elsewhere and help him even win the Nobel Prize. No summary could be better than a mathematical equation. And mathematical equation will be as obvious and clear as 2x2 = 4 to any scientist.

Harb

yo, level7, I have had such experiences, absolutly real and mysterious. I do not hold to any belief system, scientific, religious, spiritual or anything else. So it's not connected to any rituals or education or meditation. Just very powerful.

I have understanding and awareness that is not typical of people I have known in my past. I somehow understand and follow what I read here. I have no formal education or religious study, and yet I have somehow been connected to something mysterious all my life. I believe even the common people of our time are becoming more aware.

This leads me to believe that what we are looking for is right in front of our eyes, literally, and that we spend so much energy trying to find it that we cannot see it. We have to change our focus and we will see it.

We are all connected and when the right set of circumstances converge it sparks a change. It's been happening for ever.

Everything that has ever happened has made everything that is here. Everything is everything.

All the debates, the scientific arguments, spiritual rituals, all are beautiful and provoking, but I believe, and this only my opinion, that they shift our focus from the simple truth that we are here and growing and changing and we can not know what we will become because the whole universe is growing and changing.

There is an unlimited number of solutions
There is unlimited potential in everyone
The only limits are set by ourselves

We are riding on the momentum of the creative force, like a surfer.

We already understand more of lifes mysteries than our ancestors, it stands to reason that we will continue to learn more. That we are about to learn more very soon, but there will always be more.

Can we somehow just be comfortable knowing how lucky we are to just be here, concious?

I know when I am trying to find a name for a pet I either already have one in mind, or when I don't I struggle with lots of names until I give up and then when I'm not thinking about it, the perfect name comes to along.

We cannot look to the future with the eyes of the past, that only continues the old dysfunctional cycles, nature does not do this or we would still have molten planet. The Earth, the solar system, the galaxy and the universe are all on a one way jouney,

Forward........unpredictable and unstoppable.

To me it is so important to appreciate this moment, there will never be another like it because we, I, move forward and change.

peace comes from peace

derek

DK: Avatar is definitely a good candidate to be a contributor here at IB. His contibution is far far better than most contributors here. If you can pass on this word to the host, if you take your work seriously that is, it maybe useful in seeing holistic relativity move fwd at least here. If not Amit goswami, at least we can have someone like him.

Todd,
You are very fortunate to have spiritual experiences. Kundalini and chakras may all be quite real. But I do not know whether any biologist has ever tried to see these chakras in the physical body. I think biologists probably cannot find them there because they are not physical. I may be wrong. Ramana Maharshi used to talk about a heart which he said is the seat of Self in the body. He also said that this heart is not the biological heart that biologists and heart specialists know. A war is most likely to occur when a biologist tries to find this spiritual heart and says either that such a heart is impossible or that he has found it! because in both cases, he has to prove it.
Derek and Todd,
No wars are taking place here on our blog. The arguments are because of the inherent difficulty in understanding spirituality by means of intellectual reasoning.

Dear DK and Avtar

Sometimes the material raises questions for me. One question is: Why is subconsciousness placed as the outermost layer in the GNM model of mind? My understanding of mind is body, then proto-consciousness, then consciousness. I conceive of subconsciousness as an expression of a complex, non-linear neural-level interface between proto-consciousness and consciousness. I also believe in the potential for development of super-consciousness, which for me is the result of a multi-directional expansion the interface between proto-consciousness and consciousness, to such a degree that full integration is achieved, i.e., the interface disappears as integration proceeds. The GNM diagram force lines seem to support my conception of the positions of body, consciousness and subconsciousness relative to each other. Another question is: If ego and mind are not synonyms, why does Figure 1 show them as interchangeable?

Can you define your use of terms such as ego, mind, consciousness, subconsciousness, awareness, etc., for readers? All these words' meanings are open to some interpretation.

love, Heath

Dear Harb:

Welcome and thanks for your comments. The challenge for the mainstream scientific community will be to find a reviewer that is not biased with particle physics alone but thoroughly familiar with theoretical general relativity.

Dear Syamala:

I am not a professional physicist and certainly not a distinguished one. Just a seeker, like everyone else curious to chase the mysterious.

I am impressed with the depth of your questions since I myself went thru the same questioning path a few years ago. The answers may be surprising and sometimes counter to the mainstream beliefs and convictions. So, please stay with me as I try to explain in the simplest and best possible way. It might take a few iterations to grasp fully some entirely new insights about the nature of reality, so we have to be patient as we dive deeper into it. What I have realized that many a times, the questions themselves dissolve as soon as the reality is revealed, without any need for an answer.

Now, symala, answer to your beautiful question:
“Light strictly obeys those laws whenever it is presented with the situations specified in those laws. It has no ability to violate them. That is NOT free will.”

I think you are implying that if a phenomenon strictly follows and predictable by the deterministic laws then it is not free will. Let me first surprise you with the counterintuitive answer below and then explain the basis for the answer.

Answer:

The free will cannot exist without the coexisting deterministic laws. If there were no deterministic laws, there would be no free will. Every entity and phenomenon in the universe, including the consciousness or free will is governed by the deterministic laws of the universe. It is only the laws that exist at their own will and nothing else. Hence, the universal consciousness is the laws. That is why the spiritual masters like Nanak call it the “Hukum” or the order of the universe.
“Hukume Andar Sab Koi, Bahar Hukum Na koi” meaning – “Everything in the universe is governed by the laws or order and not outside it”.

Explanation:

Imagine a free-willed person wanting to walk up straight. If there were no deterministic laws of gravity, this wouldn’t be possible. Imagine if gravity acted randomly and uncertainly, the person would never be able to exercise his/her will to walk up straight and keep falling as gravity changes randomly. Below is an article I wrote earlier explaining this in more detail:

A New Perspective on the Free-will Dilemma:

The reductionist approach of science is often tied to the determinism of the natural laws. The determinism, as seen by Einstein, is interpreted to explain away free-will, and indeterminism or uncertainty, defended by Neils Bohr, is seen as the idea that freedom actually exists. I would argue that a different or possibly opposite conclusion can in fact be supported by a deeper interpretation of the deterministic natural laws.

The natural laws simply determine the outcome of an input, and not a priori result, which is independent of the input. In other words, the laws only determine the process that applies to the input information, but the actual result or outcome is dependent upon the input itself. The free-will resides in the selection or choice of the input by the human scientist; as an input is changed at the free-will of the scientist the results changes according to the deterministic law. The ultimate result is in the hands or at the choice of the free-will of the human scientist. For example, the law of gravity is deterministic, but it does not determine whether a person would fall to the floor or walk straight up without falling. Any one of these outcomes are under the control of the free-will of the person or some external environmental factors completely unrelated to the determinism of the law of gravity. Hence, reductionism is a chosen (free-willed) interpretation or approach of a reductionist and completely unrelated to the determinism of the natural laws.

Similarly, uncertainty or indeterminism of the motion of a particle, such as an electron, has no relation to the determinism or indeterminism of the laws of nature but to the choice of the human observer or the frame of reference of the observation. Heisenberg chose to observe the location and velocity of a particle, which is moving close to the speed of light and under the influence of relativistic motion, in a fixed or Newtonian frame of reference of the classical science. As is well-known, space and time under relativistic motion dilate and are not the same as the Newtonian fixed frame of space and time. This very free-willed choice of the selection of the frame of reference by Heisenberg led him to the incorrect conclusion that the uncertainty is inherent in nature. The truth is that the uncertainty is an artifact of the choice of Heisenberg to select the Newtonian or fixed space and time, since almost all real-life experiments of science are severely limited by this practical limitation. Had he chosen a frame of reference or experiment wherein the observer moves at the same speed as the electron with equivalent relativistic effects, no uncertainty would be observed or seen in defining the exact description of the motion of the electron. On the other hand, an observer moving at exactly the speed of light would see all classical objects completely disappear due to the dilation of space and time. Hence, indeterminism or uncertainty is not the basis for free will, but an artifact of the choice or free-will of the observer.

Further discussion and details of these arguments can be found in my book: The Hidden Factor: An Approach for Resolving Paradoxes of Science, Cosmology and Universal Reality, AuthorHouse, 2003.”

In a nutshell, counter to the mainstream or common belief that what follows the deterministic laws is unconscious or dumb; the determinacy of the universal laws is a necessary condition for the free will to exist.

Also you are saying that there exist two (duality or non-Advaita) separate realities – physics and spiritual? Are you implying that Nanak’s “Hukum” is a separate set of laws than the universal laws? Then why did Nanak also say – “Jo brahmande Soi Pinde.” (Whatever happens in the universe also happens in body/mind”. Again, what is the basis of your thinking that the two are different? You may not know, but if you say that the two are different, you are asserting not only violation of the spiritual laws of Advaita or Ek Onkar, but also the very laws of conservation of science. If your statement is true, it would be havoc both for science and spirituality.

GNM demonstrates that Holistic Relativity and Spirituality are one and same Non-dual (Advaita) truth (Ek Onkar Sat Naam) and supports Einstein as well as Nanak.

Dear Heath:

See my response yesterday to syamala wherein I define consciousness, awareness etc. The subconsciousness is shown at the outer circle since it is more hidden or implicit than the conscious mind. Ego and mind are same to me.

Love & Regards,
Avtar
avsingh@alum.mit.edu

Dear DK,

Yes, I have one.

David Deutsch in Oxford. He is one of the worlds leading theoretical physicists and distinguished fellow of the British Computer Society that also wonders "why do many smart scientists ignore the larger implications of quantum mechanics?" I think he might be inclined play a role in this endeavor and give it additional insight and credibility. He is a champion of the "many worlds" interpretation of quantum physics.

I know he made the following statements.

"Despite the unrivalled empirical success of quantum theory the very suggestion that it may be literally true is still greeted with cynicism."

he also said

"Even after someone dies they other copies of him might remain alive somewhere in the multiverse"

end of his thought

It is my thought that all the commonly held beliefs and assumptions about reality, even the oldest will be shattered when we come to terms with reality and refute the illusion we accept as reality.

Dear DK & Friends:
Let us discuss a plan and approach to get ready to submit our proposal to the mainstream scientific community. I have been dealing with them during the last four years even partnering and coauthoring several papers with a distinguished Professor of nuclear physics at Johns Hopkins University. We have struggled to get a serious attention from the mainstream physicists because of – “what is in it for me?” syndrome and why should one take risks with their careers mingling with the spiritual stuff. It is going to take a major initiative to penetrate the mindset on particle physics and almost fading interest in theoretical relativity today by the mainstream physics. My experience is that the particle physics scientists are hard core quantum mechanists or string theorists who dislike theoretical general relativity, which is no more a career progression path for them.

I propose that before we call on the mainstream scientists, we need to get together our own leaders in the scientific-spiritual community such as Deepak Chopra, Amit Goswami, Dalai Lama, Shekhar Kapur who is an astrophysicist, and others recommended people by these leaders. We should hold a one or two day seminar – a kind of internal review to sort out any obvious weaknesses in our arguments that need to be strengthened. We may also get new ideas to enhance the proposed approach. Only after such an internal review and addressing their recommendations and with their solid support, we will be ready to proceed forward to take on the hard core mainstream science.

What do you think? I am open to any ideas or suggestions.

Dear DK:
Could ATCA arrange such a seminar with proper attendance and representation by our community spiritual-scientist leaders?

Regards,
Avtar

Just don't forget the people, when it can be simple enough for the masses, you will have great support which can completely change the dynamics.

Very Imp point from Doodleman! This is where Deepak has been a big hit. Whoever simplifies quantum physics and presents it to the mass public in the most lucid language which they could understand based on their knowledge and their level of awareness would not only be a hit, but doing great service. Hope DK and Avtar make some co