Fabulous idea that Heather Quinn had to get back on track with #77.

Coincidentally, I was compelled to finally review electroencephalographic terminology last night -- page 777!

Prior, I had been reading about Plasma Cosmology. I guess the idea is that electrical activity is omitted from explanations by science regarding space and should not be. A few years ago, I read of a healer who was nicknamed Dynamo Jack. A dynamo arises out of a closed circuit. This man produced a blue energy and could heal but could also set paper on fire.

As above. So below. Microcosm. Macrocosm. Within. Without.

You said: "The behaviour of Maya, the manifestation of energy in matter, an illusion, is fundamentally responsible for giving rise to the uncertainty principle etc at the micro-level."

I find myself wondering if the manifestation of energy in matter is electric (or at least behaves like electricity). That would be transient, not illusion. Transient would be illusory. That would make it seem like an illusion. Then, if it is not an illusion and this is proven, it will no longer give rise to uncertainty principles. More can be predicted based on charge and charge interactions.

I think the dynamics of electricity are very straightforward. Whereas, Einstein's algebriac equations ... well .... I watch these discussions and end up feeling like physists are kittens who play in balls of yarn until I lose interest or they grow up and aren't so cute anymore. ;) I'm kidding. It is just hard to keep up with the terminology because every definition if a nesting box of career language.

I agree with "the sea of calm and infinite light without curvature owing to mass." Rudolph Steiner said color was an interruption of light.

Beyond this I only know I had a lot of reminders of past intuitions about Saturn and kaleidoscopes. I tried to figure out why. I got as far as a kaleidoscope being a 3-mirrored gadget and Saturn having a swirling storm that intrigues astronomers. I wondered if the first kaleidoscope was made with esoteric knowledge of trinity. Angles determine number of points seen through the kaleidoscope. I know I'm sounding "out there" today, vague and somewhat pointless but when I saw your "insect-eye" effect picture, it was all so timely. You never know when great minds with a lab will be inspired to try something new.

Dear DK,

Regarding the holotropic state and the unified force of love:

"Unconditional Love is a dynamic and powerful energy that lifts us through the most difficult times. It is available at any moment by turning our attention to it and using its wonderful potential to free us from our limitations. It requires practice and intent to allow this energy to fully permeate our daily experience. It begins with ourselves, for without self-love, we cannot know what true love can be. In loving ourselves, we allow the feeling to generate within us and then we can share it to everyone and everything around us! That which we send out, returns to us in greater measure. If you have not thought about how you feel towards yourself, physically, mentally, and emotionally, or spiritually, do so now. Begin the journey that changes everything. Begin the journey of unconditional love..."

I have walked my rose labyrinth today with all the mirrored nature images in it and found myself completely immersed again.

This was only computer generated, am already looking forward visiting these holotropic gardens in spring in our country again.

Thank you for all the wonderful threads that truly are able to make you feel so whole :)

With much love, Mieke

Supra universe is a huge human form.

Milky wave is a vein in this human.

Solar system is a molecule in the vein.

Sun is nutron.

Planets are protons.

We are part of proton called earth.

We are moving in the vein of big supra universe who is a living person

Planet Mars is red blood corpuscle.

Other planets are - erythrocytes; - neutrophil; - eosinophil; - lymphocyte.

Rajesh Sharma

I like the milky WAVE, but Where is the electron? Couldn't find it. RBC is bigger than the molecule I thought. So, rbc in the molecule or molecule in the rbc? I'm all feeling like a Jalebi now. :-))

Even DK must have felt like a Jalebi, with a q mark :-)

PS:(DK:abs no intention of offence whatsoever, just for humor. am sure u will take it that way). Thx for the good spirit.

Dear DK,

"What appears to be probabilistic in time and space is not so when time and space are eliminated or tend towards infinity." I could not see what you are implying here. So, what happens to the probability? does it become certaininty when space and time tend to infinity or eliminated? Are you thinking of some formula where you would set them to infinity? Will you please elaborate?
Thanks

Hi DK,

Thanks for reading the message #3, I got this message during a Meditative brain storming session from a super natural waves in my brain.
I am your ardent follower, disciple and student.

Hi Hasela,

What is the difference between an atom and our solar system?

Aren't the structure of both same?

Thank
With lots of love
Rajesh

It is the egoism ties the spirit and matter together,so that spirit seems to partake of the nature of matter and matter seems to partake of the nature of spirit.The individualized self ,being manifest through a particular mode of the mind characterized by 'I ness''and furthure identified with mind or body ,as the case may be ,appear as ego .So to say ego is self identified with not self ,neither of which undergoes actual change due to wrong identification .
The ego varies with the varying condiions of the body and mind and the external situation ,it is the real man in disguise the change of the guise does not mean the change of the inner man, To say the reflactive image may seem to be bright or dim but .all movements ,all changes ,all development or degeneration ,pertain to apparent man,the real man the self shines with constant effulgence.
The ego and the self,the one is the apparent man the other the real man the witness self are ever united with the supreme self the brahman

Hi prams,
Do you see ego as essential to spiritual growth, or a hinderance?

~ Kate

Hi Mieke,
I love roses, so I can imagine how nice your labrinth is.

Hi Heather,
I like the expression'passsionate clarity'. I felt that this evening when I was in the presence of a gifted artist, and the music was played so purely. It was joyful, soulful, and really fun stuff. Piano with symphony orchestra - priceless :)
~ Kate

Hi Hasela
#5
Thanks for correcting the error / s and feeling like a jalebi.

Jalebi is soooooooooo sweeeeeeeeeeet.
Saliva has started drooling from my mouth on hearing about jalebi.

With Love
Rajesh Sharma

Dear Dk,

"The ideal statement -- if spoken truthfully -- then becomes, "He [The Lord] helped me do this... and He [The Lord] helped me do that."

Perhaps even better: "S/He [The Lord] helped me do this... and S/He [The Lord] helped me do that :)

Hi Kate,

"piano with symphony orchestra" indeed! :) The symphony of nature!

Thanks mr, Matai
.
Hello Kate .As mr matai said ,it is through mind that we perceive the supreme self ,theirs no other way to reach their ,it is the apparent man, the ego ,that performs righteous and unrighteous deeds and experience their fruits, sweet and bitter, while the real man, the transcendental self ,the witness of all changing conditions of ego, ever shines in blissful glory and neither enjoy nor suffers .The luminous self reflected in the mind and apparently limited to it, is the ego, the luminous self associated with the mind as the onlooker, is the witness ,which transcends the changing state of mind .
The never changeable conscious self ,finds the expression as ‘I’ invariable in the midst of variable, the ‘I ’maintains the identity of an individual despite all changeful experiences

The analogy of stock movement and its volatility for the expression of energy on maya and its increase and decrease with the state of mind giving rise to uncertainity, was well said

Dear DK,
Thanks for #13. That is simply great. You really explained spiritual material in the language of mathematics. I would call that unification of science and spirituality. Did you write your other concepts (for example, such as those in #77 of the previous blog) in papers or in a book explaining them in detail like here in #13?

Sorry, #77 is right here. Hope I did not confuse you.

D.K. and friends,

As I was saying on the other thread about East vs. West,
for me it is also about unification of religion,
or seeing the ties between various faiths and traditions.

I would like to quote St. Paul for I believe he
equates "the man of the flesh" with our definition of Ego.

In that regard and for the reasons stated above here is
Romans 11:32-36
(God = Lord)

.

32. For God has bound all men over to disobedience
so that He may have mercy on them all.
33. Oh, the depth of the riches and the wisdom
and the knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out.
34. "Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?" (Isaiah 40:13)
35. "Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay him?" (Job 41:11)
36. For from him and through him and to him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

.

Hope you find this agreeable.

.

Princess Kate,

It's great when you join us here!
I believe I speak for all of us when I say,
we wish you could stop in more often.
This is the busy season for you and we wish you success!

Piano concerto's? Glad you like them, too.
I had been listening to the man who brought
a rocker into the wonders of classical music,
Rachmaninov, No.2, Opus 18 and 3, Opus 30.

Come back soon, now...ya hear? Keith~~

huh Rajesh? You surprised me! So, you went and checked the book, the structure of atom. Relationship and hierarchy of atom molecule rbc vein and maybe milky wave too. :-) Anyway, am glad you understood the relationship.

I realized though when I read it, it must be out of the Superwaves of the brain!! Can't be from the normal waves of the brain.

Ok, on a serious note: I think you're a good bloke. Dk is a wonderful man really. Ib should be extremely thankful for someone like him. He always replies humbly "Main tho guruji ke pavitra charno ki dhool hoon". But he really knows a lot, done a great deal of work and is very very loving to everyone. He reminds me of Deepak actually. Same combo of heart&mind. Be in his company, interact with him. Good choice. This is serious ok.

Love and more later.

PS:I was still wondering why I couldn't find the electron in your model!:-)

Hi Hasela,

I made you write serious note. Great.
Good, so you also like being serious sometimes.

Thanks for giving great recommendation.

I love you a lot.
Rajesh Sharma

Hello DK,

I'm glad I could make you laugh. I saw the glossary and also just reviewed it. I liked it and found it easy to comprehend. I meant physics definitions because so many theories (not just words) are embedded in definitions.

Best wishes.

Whoopsy, ego alert. I said, "I'm glad I could make you laugh."

Better: I'm glad God working through me and God working through you could do humor together. ;)

Dear DK - "Our minds are Quantum Computers, hence the volatilites in our thoughts." Wow!Love Haseli

D.K. and friends,

Pertaining to the topic at hand, the unification
of ideas and innovation from the East to the West,
I would like to relate a bit of history from India.
If someone could confirm this information I'd appreciate it.

The book was written in 1935 so I'd like to hear
the up-to-date outcome of the experiment at Dayalbagh.

The author was privileged to meet His Holiness Sahabji Maharaj,
Master at this time of the Radha Soamis. He was
attempting to bring the best of the East and West
together in a community. How is it going there, now?

It sounds like he was ahead of his time for this type of venture,
and his admirable qualities reminds me of a couple guys here.

"For he is at once an inspired dreamer,
a serenely-minded Yogi, a practical man
of the world and a polished gentleman!"

From "A Search In Secret India", by Paul Brunton

Has anyone started their own utopian community lately?
Baghdad needs a model before all hope is lost!

Peace, Keith~

There is a time to grow
There is a time to love
There is a time to know
There is a time to be

This is ordained by the scheme of things
Which displayed itself through four basic forces

Prior and later to this is the most pregnant silence of the most pregnant What Is.

Harb

Yeah, Rt on DK! Good man you're!

Dear Rajesh :-) yes atlast I wrote something serious to you. It takes a while on the net Rajesh to know who is who what is what. I realized after a while that you're a hearty bloke, who just writes in his unique style. IB is a tough place though, not for softies or weak hearted. Well, that's how it is. Like the world we live in. got to learn to live with the pluses and minuses.

DK is goind a great service really, by bringing people together, the like minded ones who are inclined to spirituality. Lot of wonderful spiritually absorbed people I see on his thread. Do interact freely with like minded people. there's no computer though which can match the human brain in its myriad functions to control and regulate Life.

Now, I will go back into my humor mode.

God bless.

I wonder how the d and g got transposed in #34? Is it the effect of talking with you Rajesh? LOL!

Thank you D.K. for you lightning fast response.

It's a cool coincidence and good to know from where you came!

The modest initiate has learned a thing or two.

I'm glad to see the chain remains unbroken from

the Sound Yoga of yesterday to the Sound of Music today.

Thank you for taking the time to share!

Being a good listener is important after all,

just like my Momma said years ago.

Next question may be, what happened to Meher Baba,

the self-proclaimed messiah? Did he ever speak again?

Peace to you, Keith~

Dearest Hasela,

Thanks for taking me seriously.
Hasela, i really really really need a good master who can realm (harness) my wayward thinking into spreading goodness, non-violence, peace in universe and supra universe.

I really really need a master who can convert my goodness for the goodness, for the welfare of the humanity, taking into account my weaknesses and my negatives. I can assure you that my positives are more powerful than my negetives and positives have over powered the negetives.

I still don't understand the difference between a solar system and an atom (LOL)

Thanks a lot and Lots of love to all
Rajesh Sharma

Rajesh: "Realm (harness) my wayward thinking"?? I've known realm only in the noun form, not in the verb form, and that too this kind of verb form.?

I visited your website. It is going in all directions. I think your brain needs to be Stabilized first! Your mind is running like a wild horse. why? Do you eat too much of channa?

I thought you understood the errors there in that post of yours. At the ultimate level, there is no difference Rajesh. It's a unified field. your body is made up of atoms, so is mine, so is sun, so is your rbc(mars that is in your model).
Annd pinde bramhanda! Man was made in God's image. what is in the atom is in the universe!

What we were talking though was about the relationship. If sun is neutron, and earth proton. How can mars be rbc? It has to be at the level of proton or electron as you called sun a neutron. btw Where is the electron? you never told me about the whereabouts of electron in your unique model:-)

Thanks Hasela,

For the guidance.

I will learn about atom as much as possible from the angle science, spirituality and holistically.

Again i would like to ask you one more things,
with 5 seconds i can start feeling that whole supra universe is within me. But this becomes very unnatural. I can keep this supra universe within me for hours and hours, but i have a family for whom i work, so come back to my own body and work with my body and brains to keep myself in touch with my family.

OFCOURSE THIS WHOLE SUPRA UNIVERSE IS WITHIN ME / IS MY FAMILY!!!!!!

Please forgive me for errors and omissions.

With love
Rajesh Sharma

Hi DK, Keith,

I live near Beas, Punjab. Here perhaps Baba Sawan Singh was followed by Baba Gurcharan Singh, who in turn is followed by someone, perhaps his son, whose name I have forgotten (Gurinderjit Singh?).

People in lacs throng to Beas every Sunday...They have developed deras now in almost all other cities of Punjab as well. But we see their followers mostly illiterate people interspersed with rich NRIs. General public follows Nanak or the main religion of Guru Nanak...

Harb

Hello DK,

It would be lovely to have enlightenment, sentient being, and relativity in the glossary, if you find it appropriate. Thank you.

Dear Keith,
post # 23
I really do miss not being able to write more at IB. Thank you so much for remembering me :)

I marvel how this dialogue began with Rumi, and we are going at lightning speed - into the core of our being, and extending out into the galaxies - and still, there is so much more to discover and share.

What a ride!
Thanks for sharing it with me,
~ Kate

~Kate,

You are literally as welcome as is possible!

Keith~

This post also answers questions and comments from the previous post on the subject matter.

Dear DK & Syamala:

As I returned from the weekend, I see a huge progress made in reaching a common understanding on HQR. This would allow us to move forward in a more efficient and focused manner to unify science & spirituality.

You and Syamala have done a great job in providing a proper and holistic technical perspective on relativity vs. quantum mechanics. I have been trying to do that for last several weeks. I am glad to see that an overall awakening is happening to realize the potential of the Holistic Relativity to make great progress on this noble cause.

Just a small elaboration on the relativity & love. The true love is beyond the bodily or relational love such as the mother’s love which is also biased toward only her own child. A mother could be full of jealousy towards the other mother’s child. The true love is the only love that merges the lover and loved into one with no relativity or relationship left. “Jab main tu nahin” (when I am you are not).

And some perspective on Tachyons: The God particle I calculate in my book has a wavelength equal to the age of the universe or 14 billion light years. It basically simulates a particle with infinite speed because it is everywhere. You can call it the mother Tachyon or the mother of all future particles to be invented – the Love-trons, jealousy-trons, anger-trons, etc. So you can see the beauty of the Holistic Relativity- it is all inclusive of every particle one can ever imagine. The power of HR is that it since its formulations are founded on the most fundamental quantities mass/energy/space/time, it encompasses the behavior of all possible particles that can be imagined to exist.

Love

Avtar

Dear Heath:

Thanks for supporting my earlier point – Holistic Relativity encompasses HQR, hence no need for Quantum.

Love

Avtar

Dear Rajesh:

SUPPOSE A TOTALLY "ENLIGHTENED" MAN IS ON THE 40TH FLOOR OF A 50 FLOOR BUILDING.
AN AEROPLANE STRIKES THAT BUILDING, AND THE BUILDING STARTS TO CRUMBLE DOWN.
THE "TOTALLY ENLIGHTENED MAN" WOULD RUN TO SAVE HIS LIFE.
QUESTION IS "why does an enlightened man also have to run for his life, if he is all and all are him"

The enlightened man must run because his biological life is not all and one with the other biological lives. The teachings of the spiritual masters are not to commit the bodily suicide, but dissolve the ego or the mind. As Nanak says:

Eh Janam manukha tan milya, guru kirpa da parsad samajh
This human body is a gift of grace of the guru (god)

Bekadri naa kar swasa di, uth jag jeevan da raaj samajh
Do not pay disrespect to your breathing, get awakened to secret (The Hidden Factor) of life, the truth.

Love
Avtar

Dear Ricky Ponting:

Thanks for your understanding and kind comments. The clarity is in your mind to be able to grasp the subtle message, I am just reiterating a common message from spiritual masters and Einstein.

Love

Avtar

Dear Harb and Keith:

Thanks for your kind comments and recognizing the versatility of Holistic Relativity along with others.

As DK has mentioned, it is not going to be easy slam dunk getting buy in by the mainstream physics community who practically eats, drinks, and breaths on the existing mainstream theories. There are serious and real conflicts of interest, politics, and territorial issues for which the mainstream science would fight hard asking hard data and measurements, which is their ultimate weapon. A professional physicist who might be sympathetic to spirituality/consciousness stuff has to be ready to stand against his/her own kind and even risk a professional exclusion for supporting such a wild idea that may undercut the current mainstream theories and threaten professional careers of hundreds or thousands of physicists making a living on those. Just imagine, how many billions of dollars are being asked and funded on the upcoming planned particle physics and space test facilities and experiments. There is no incentive on anybody’s part to undercut all that just to be truthful and spiritual.

However, being aware of these realities, as Keith points out working with a western institution, we must try to find some theoretical relativity experts (which are rare these days) seriously inclined towards spirituality to review and work hand-in-hand with us with a will and commitment to succeed in unifying science and spirituality. We all know this is not going to be a slam dunk.

Love
Avtar

Hey Keith
Its bound to happen, that we will find each other again!
I happen to enjoy
sparks
and
it's nice to feel the glow
that warms us
both.
To Rumi, and to
music, poetry,
nature,
to this IB dialogue
and words to bring us together,
(only to give way
to silence,
but not just yet :)
I give thanks,
and sharing this
with you.
Love
~ Kate

Dear Avtar

If as you say, "The teachings of the spiritual masters are not to commit the bodily suicide, but dissolve the ego or the mind." one could speculate that the primary work we are to do in in our body, our life, is to cultivate our consciousness and spirituality. Not as an oh-by-the-way thing, or as an expression of an encounter with revelation, but rather as a sacred task laid in front of our spirit before we entered this life, one that that requires the body and its life as a vessel for the task.

love, Heath

Dear Avtar,
Re # 44. Thanks for giving me a lot of credit for all the little comments I make.
Regarding your God-particle, I agree it is non-local and probably it is the mother of love-trons (not Love-tron), jealousy-trons, anger-trons, etc. I cannot say yes or no at this point but I believe you are right most of the time. However, I maintain that infinite speed, or infinite wavelength does not mean that the God-particle is God. Tachyons are non-local and their level of consciousness is greater than 1 according to your definition but I maintain that they are not conscious and that they do not have free will and the unbiased love you mentioned cannot be made up of tachyons. Unbiased love is Love and same as Free Will and is not subject to causality.

Thanks Avtar #44

I really really needed it.
It flowed from you to me.

Sometimes i get the feeling the everything, specially all human beings are connected to each each with some kind of thread may be in the form of wave or something. (Hasela this is for you LOL)

Lots of Love
Rajesh Sharma

We're connected by the Milky wave!;-)

Dear Syamala:

Clarifying the God Particle:

You are mostly right too and I have to be careful in my terminology so as not to send a wrong message.

I use the terminology God particle only as a satire to the book – “The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?” by Leon Lederman. The point I make in my book is that the Holistic Relativity can explain the physical properties and behavior of the so-called “God Particle” described in the Lederman book and other particles including Tachyons in relativistic terms without the need for particle physics formulations.

I fully agree with you in that neither God nor particle is in my dictionary of consciousness, love, spirituality, enlightenment, contentment, nirvana, Samadhi, etc etc. The whole point is to provide a better alternative to the fragmentary particle physics to explain spirituality and love. Again, love-trons (not Love-tron), jealousy-trons, anger-trons, etc. are satires to make the same point. I, same as you, do not subscribe to their direct correlation with consciousness and love.

Love

Avtar

Well, I am behind on my reading of DK's papers and I really liked this one, even though I scanned it briefly and the part on a inverted pyramid caught my attention, as I still don't understand it and DK papers were the first place I have heard of such a thing. Plus the part on LOVE caught my attention as well and caused me to respond. Thanks DK!

I have been reading in "The Celestin Prophecy" about love and it's been interesting how James Redfield describes it in this adventure book - great book BTW. I've been told, "You don't understand Love. It's not what you think." So I have been trying to understand what love means to the Universe.

However, I have been pondering for weeks and months what "V" might mean, as I have been trying get an understanding. What is the V that one might see between the eyes of another, which is not visible to the normal eye? Could that be the inverted pyramid and maybe one cannot see the line above the "V" or maybe it's open and there is no line? I've heard that God is the Macro and we are the Micro, if I remember correctly – or was it the other way around???

Anyway, I really like the analogy of the pyramid as it relates to the 3 becoming one, even though I still don't understand exactly who the three are and their parts and what the whole is. Maybe it's two that unites and becomes one??? I don't know. But then 3 could just as well be 2 or 4 as it really is only 1. Well ... just pondering out loud. However, I have noticed everything seems to be very orderly and geometric (i.e., possibly all explained mathematically, even though one might have to see it first to perceive it - or something like that).

BTW: Within the light, there is pattern and it appears to be the Star of Daivd, as the rainbow embraces the Star.

Love, Char

Dear Avtar,
Thanks for the explanation. I am happy that we are on the same wavelength.

Dear all,
I found this passage on the link http://www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/science/david_bohm.htm#HOLOMOVEMENT

SCIENCE AND SPIRIT
Thomas Kuhn has eloquently shown that scientists' preference for one paradigm over another is determined by a host of nonscientific, nonempirical factors. As noted earlier, Bohm also points out that there is no scientific evidence that argues for the dominant fragmented scientific world view over Bohm's hypothesis of undivided wholeness. However, while scientific evidence offers no help in this regard, other forms of evidence may, indeed, shed some light on the matter. Mystical and spiritual teachings down through the ages have spoken about the fundamental interconnectedness of all things and that the microcosm somehow contains the macrocosm. A beautiful and legendary image of this is the "jeweled net of Indra" in the Avatamsaka Sutra, in which the universe is represented as an infinite network of pearls, each of which reflects all the others. Fa-Tsang, the founder of Hua-yen Buddhism in the seventh century, represented the relation of the "One to the many" by placing a candle in the center of a room full of mirrors, and he represented the relation of the "many to the One" by placing a polished crystal next to the candle. While these and other images do not constitute experimental evidence of the kind that science considers admissible, they do represent a consistent body of "experiential evidence" from a long line of deeply perceptive traditions down through the ages. So if we broaden the permissible epistemology beyond the bounds of science, we find ample precedent for a unitive holographic understanding of reality. From this perspective, there is, indeed, evidence for preferring Bohm's holomovement over other views of reality that dominate science today.
The above link also explains Bohm's philosophy of QM very well.

Syamala: [From this perspective, there is, indeed, evidence for preferring Bohm's holomovement over other views of reality that dominate science today.]

And Bohm's holomovement states that look at the quantum theory from Super Quantum Potential (Mosc)and from there, understand the working of hidden variables and presto! you will find that it too says that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle for once will give place to certainty, that God, for once will not play dice. Here are a few relevnt paragraphs from my book:

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In other words, he (David Bohm) is after the sub-quantum level phenomena, after the hidden variables as they are called in scientific circles, which ultimately control the reins of the whimsical electrons and photons.

I am sure Einstein himself had intuited what lay beyond the quantum level when he said his famous words ‘God does not play dice with the world,’ though he could not live long enough to give his intuition a concrete shape.

Though Mosc can be said to be the ultimate ‘observer’ to create reality it will be the determined creation, from where God for once will not be playing dice, from where Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle for once will give way to the only one way certainty, that of irreversible creation, as I have already said while discussing the relationship between the quantum vacuum and true vacuum in a previous chapter.
unquote

So perhaps Avtar should not treat Quantum Theory as an illegitimate child of science lol. Rather now it is its time.

A very good conversation of Harb and Jasjit about Bohm's holomovement can be read here:

http://www.isitaboutsexblog.com/archives/i_spy_with_my_eyepart_one.php

Thank you Mieke, it was really a great spontaneous conversation between Jasjit and myself. It needed to be shown/read here.

Love, Harb