Atman and Robin
Renee Reeser Zelnick - March 25, 2007
Ken Wilber’s in my yoga class again. He appears shiny headed, stocky and strong.
But I think I can take him. I am 6 feet tall in my stocking feet and I’ve been working out. My takedown fantasy includes spandex, a Mexican wrestling mask and really good boots.
Not on me silly…. That’s what he’s wearing!!
Okay. The guy in my yoga class is not really Ken Wilber. He’s a dead ringer for him however. I’ve fantasized about sparring with Mr. Ken Wilber since taking Dr. Christian de Quincey’s “MIND IN THE COSMOS” course at the University of Philosophical Research. De Quincey and Wilber had their share of polite philosophical barbs to one another, mostly over differing opinions of Integralism. I’ve also run into Wilberosophy in my “Physics of the Soul “ course w/ Dr. Amit Goswami, and as a fan of Sri Aurobindo, I often google and cross- reference these boys all the time.
The Atman, or impersonal absolute to Wilber is the realisation of Godhead in the transcendence of embodied existence in the final cycle of involution/evolution.
If I interpret my studies correctly, Sri Aurobindo supports a state of enlightenment/liberation as an end state, however the Divine absolute is in the involution/evolution process itself, and at ALL levels.
Where then, is the Supermind in all of this?
Probably wearing spandex as well. With a cape and a giant “S” on his chest. And really good boots.
As I find this east-meets-west forum to be a fountain of philosophical fun, I’m hoping some of you can share your criticisms and Wilberisms to sharpen my mind, wit and well-being.
By the way, I make a kickass, ass-kicking sidekick. But I am too tall and too old to be Atman’s Robin.
Any takers?
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Posted by Renee Reeser Zelnick at March 25, 2007 01:01 PM
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Vielen Danke fur alles DK-
yes- i have surfed the waters of HQRsd and am amazed at what your brain churns and channels...
it is time to dive deeper-
i feel i have much to soak up from your dialogue and viewpoints, as well as from those who regularly comment
blessings and peace upon you & all!
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March 25, 2007 07:12 PM
Hi Renee,
You may not know this but Ken has been pretty sick lately, I'm sure he can use your healing energy.
Cheers,
Steve
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March 26, 2007 02:10 PM
Ambasteve-
thanks for the heads up-
He's in my thoughts and prayers-
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March 26, 2007 06:49 PM
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Hi Renee,
You may not know this but Ken
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Vielen Danke fur alles DK-
yes- i have
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DK Matai commented on Atman and Robin
Liebe Renee
Ich hoffe dass alles gut ge
Liebe Renee
Ich hoffe dass alles gut geht...! Deine denkung ist interessant fuer unser Holistic Quantum Relativity projekt!
One of Ken Wilber's main interests is in integrating traditional mysticism with cosmic evolution.
Wilber rejects the anti-evolutionary view of history as a regression from past ages. Instead, he embraces the notion of the great chain of being. This great chain is ever-present while "relatively" unfolding throughout this material manifestation.
Mahayana Buddhists believe that reality is ultimately a non-dual union of emptiness and form, with form being innately subject to development over time.
Wilber's views are attempts to describe how form undergoes change, and how sentient beings in the world of form participate in this change until they finally realise their true identity as emptiness, the sky or the fifth element.
A key idea in Wilber's philosophical approach is the holon.
In considering what might be the basic building blocks of existence, he observes that every entity and concept shares a dual nature: as a whole in itself, and as a part of some other whole. For example, although one is made of parts (nervous system, skeletal system etc), one is also a part of society, and of the nation-state. A letter is a self-existing entity and simultaneously an integral part of a word.
Everything from quarks to matter to energy to ideas can be looked at in this way —- everything in creation except perhaps creation itself is a holon.
In his book Sex, Ecology, Spirituality: The Spirit of Evolution, Wilber outlines approximately twenty tenets that characterize all holons. These tenets form the basis of Wilber's model of manifest reality.
Beyond this, Wilber's view is that the totality of manifest reality itself is just a wave on the ocean of the unmanifest, of Emptiness or The Fifth Element itself, which is not a holon.
The Holistic Quantum Relativity Socratic Dialogue on IntentBlog goes much deeper in many areas and may be richer. Are you following the HQR dialogue?
Mit liebe und alles schoen!
DK
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