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DEATHYOGA II-A humble continuation of DEATH YOGA IN THE KALI YUGA

Renee Reeser Zelnick - March 05, 2007

For a donation of $5.00 per word (5 word minimum), Afterlifetelegrams.com claims to deliver telegrams to people who have passed away. Terminally ill volunteers are recruited to memorize telegrams before death, and then deliver said telegrams to the recipient on the other side. Apparently, Afterlifetelegrams.com does not keep any of the fees or their unusual service. The money, depending on the wishes of the sender, is either given to a relative, donated to charity or used to pay medical bills.

I had to think that reincarnation, should it exist, could cause serious customer service problems. What if by the time the telegram is delivered, the addressee was already in a different incarnation back on Earth?

Contemplating the variables of afterlife communication was starting to feel like work. However, comparing classical to quantum worldviews while looking for scientific data to support the argument for life after death is a more arduous task. Perhaps in a simpler Newtonian/Cartesian/Andy Griffith kind of time, it was just easier to “believe” in life after death in an “all good Christians go to heaven” sort of way. No, I’m not being biased and saying only Christians get the sweet afterlife- I just happened to spend my formative years under the tutelage of the Methodist church.
It’s okay.
I went to rehab.

But the world-at-large has changed greatly over the past century. Has our modern worldview changed along with it? Maybe not quite enough. We are no longer isolated by great distances, physically or philosophically. Modern technology has made the planet both larger and smaller. Non-western cultural belief systems have had increasing influence on the western, and to some extent, even the occasional scientific mind. Despite our differences, all spiritual systems seem to recognize a “soul” of sorts. But where does that soul go after Death? Does it disappear? Does the soul reincarnate? Does it move from one place to another? Can modern science support any of these ideas?

Recent reports out of Copenhagen told us Professor Eugene Polzik and his team at the Neils Bohr Institute have successfully teleported two photons. I read that teleportation relies on an aspect of quantum physics known as "entanglement", whereby the properties of two particles are “tied together” even when they are far apart. Einstein called this "spooky action at a distance". Dr. Amit Goswami might call it a version of “the liar’s paradox”. Regardless, it points to the impossible made possible,

In the Yoga Sutras, Patanjali tells us that when conscious thought ceases to fluctuate, only then may we sense the experience of our true nature. I agree. It was just a few months ago, when I was deep in the void during my integrative hybrid yogic movement meets japa meditation. At the suggestion of Dr. Amit Goswami to practice mindful “death yoga”. I began adding a silent, psuedo ajapa-japa approach, using the internalized mantras “aah” and “surrender” during my hatha practice. Staring deeper and deeper into my mirrored reflection during Standing Bow Pulling Pose (Dandayamana-Dhanurasana, pronounciation is mouth yoga.), an inner voice let me know that it was not “I” practicing the asana- the asana was practicing “me”. I no longer saw just myself and my classmates in the mirrored wall. In front of me, a vision formed of many faces and bodies, men, women, young and old, all poised in position balancing on one leg, torsos flung forward, parallel to the ground, one arrow-like arm outstretched forward, shoulders pulling in opposite directions, as the other arm holds the ankle of the other leg kicking into a standing spinal bend. The same inner voice reminded me of the shear numbers of yogis and yoginis, like a line of Arjuna’s warriors on the battlefield of Kurukshetra, practicing their fates throughout time, who have also stood, so posed upon the planet, seeking stillness through movement and breath.

I felt a bit like Albert Brooks disbelievingly watching footage of his multi-gendered, multi-racial previous incarnations of his lives at the Shirley MacLaine-hosted Past Life Pavilion in his film “Defending your Life”. Then, in an instant, my teacher’s dialogue brought my awareness back into the 104 degree yoga room, as I stared intently, focused finely on my forehead’s middle, trying to forget about how much I should release my hip and allow my leg to further defy gravity.

Later, between asanas, in Dead Body pose (of course) an instructor read some passages by author Louise Hay, regarding how some people adopt the body morph of a parent or other influence. It then hit me! I flashed back to the time surrounding my mother’s death. She’d been ill and hospitalized for some time. Her cancer had spread from the colon to the liver and bone. She was on every drug the doctor could provide and prescribe but nothing was slowing the disease. According to the prognosis, she should have passed already. She kept hanging on, well beyond the medical staff’s prediction (ah, the ever-present optimism of the western medical establishment-but I digress). Mom kept moving in and out of consciousness. I’d catch her talking to the “the other side”. I’d asked her who she was talking to, and she would always reply “They said I can’t tell you”. I’d asked several times who “they“ were, but her responses were evasive and secretive. One day the conversation turned to the subject of “They said I can leave the hospital!” and “They said I could go home”. It became clear she did not want to be in the hospital and intended to die at home. Mom began to seem very angry with us and insisted we take action. We quickly made arrangements with Hospice and got her home.

I’d heard stories about a sound the dying make, called the “death rattle”. No sooner did we get her home, she began making the sounds. After a few hours of listening to her dying, it became too much for my young mind to bear. I became so distraught that I called a friend and escaped the house for a few hours. My father was very upset that I left. She was still alive when I returned and then she passed a few hours later. I realize now how inconsiderate that was for his process. For years.I’ve been swallowing this guilt for leaving my father alone in the situation.

As I stared at my posture, my profile eerily morphed into my mother’s. Mom’s abdominal region was so swollen when she died. While staring at her thin neck and curved belly, I realized I was feeding my own hungry ghost!

Looking back I realized how unprepared I was for the finality of her passing. In the Western world, we have no common rites to prepare for such a thing. Talk about the bardo blues.

Bluer yet is the reductionism that the classical materialist worldview would like sell us. Simple break down and categorized everything in nature and the physical world into atoms and elementary particles like protons, neutrons and electrons. But when scientists explored past the particle, they found even more subdivisions. And even more mystery, especially with the photon. The classical worldview is collapsing under the new wave of quantum physics. Strike one up for the observer effect. Exploring more of the quantum worldview in conjunction with the wisdom of yoga and the contemplation of meditation has been both eye opening and mind-bending thus far. Using reason and experience based on my own experiential empirical evidence as opposed to faith alone, I’m forced confront widely-held scientific and philosophical belief systems and challenge them. Looking at the world, Whether it is macroscopic, microscopic or even submicroscopic, I now see a world where probability is exchanged for possibility in an ocean of quantum waves. Perhaps like the sterograms discussed in my last post, we cannot see the forest for the trees. Hidden variables are revealed when trees falls in the forest. If you relax your vision. And crack open the Tibetan Book of the Dead once in a while!

Reincarnation and soul survival are possible and even probable by quantum physics standards. The classical science materialist view, with it’s thought of causation moving upward from the particles is no longer vogue. It is so-o-o- last century-

Material realism worldview of classical physics leaves problems with interaction. How could a soul substance interact with a material substance? Maybe the question is moot as two subjects are in quantum reality, are in essence, the same object. Perhaps it is not the just the scientists we must look to for answers about reincarnation. We should also consult is the mystic. Oh, if you decide to send an afterlife telegram, tell mom I said “Hi’.

“What we observe as material bodies and forces are nothing but shapes and variations in the structure of space. Particles are just schaumkommen (appearances). The world is given to me only once, not one existing and one perceived. Subject and object are only one. The barrier between them cannot be said to have broken down as a result of recent experience in the physical sciences, for this barrier does not exist.

- Erwin Schrödinger

"Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of nature and, therefore, part of mystery that we are trying to solve."

-Max Planck

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Posted by Renee Reeser Zelnick at March 5, 2007 11:53 PM

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Hi Renee,

Once when i used to go for learning swimming, i was taken into deep water by my swimming instructor.

He asked me to practice in deep. It was my second or third day in swimming learning.

The swimming instructor started teaching a little child how to swim and forgot that i was practicing in the deep water in swimming pool.

I started to go down in water.

I started struggling to come out of the water, but went down and down.

Water started going into my chest and stomach, and i was sure that i was going to die.

That time i had an unusual experience,

How real it is i don't understand?

I came out of the body and started moving with the wind and i was floating with the wind.

It was not my body but me that is my soul.

My body was still in water struggling to be alive and come out of water.

Due to some unknown force, my finger touched the leg of swimming instructor.

Swimming instructor took me out. Water had gone in my stomach and may be chest, I was conscious.

This was a kind of after life experience, where i saw me (my soul) coming out of my body and moving up along with the wind, while my body was struggling to remain alive.

From the top i could see the swimming pool and the Hotel where i was learning swimming.

Lots of Love
Rajesh

1. Posted by Rajesh Sharma on March 6, 2007 01:17 AM

Hello Renee and Everyone,

I was reading a book written by a Nurse Midwife in Amish Country about her experiences while attending different births and while attending the delivery of a couple's first child, who happened to be stillborn she wrote this(the pregnancy was fine, no complications at all, but on the day of delivery she realized the child had no hearbeat,)

.."The force that took this baby was impossibly, imponderably vast.

..For a moment, I felt an exquisite freedom; light with relief. Death does not consult us. We have nothing to say. It was not our responsibilty. And if this was true, pehaps we were not consulted on other things either.

..I knew I was a humble player in some mighty business that was so awesome and so powerful that I had abandoned all pretense of understanding it, let alone running it. The serene baby guided me.

..I had believed that I was alone, that I created all my weakness and all my failure; I believed that I had created all my successes. I thought I had to be invulnerable, that I would have to survive in the universe on the strength of my personality and my will. I advertised myself and I made myself tough-hoping, I think that the Universe would admit that for the first time in its history, some Penny had come along who could outsmart it."

I had copied this down years ago and just came acrossed it recently but I think it is really enlightening, very touching.

I cannot remember the title or author..

have a great day, ruth.

2. Posted by ruth on March 6, 2007 06:04 AM

Afterlifetelegrams has found an effective way to fool people into donating some money. As for where exactly all the money goes only an audit of their books will reveal. Even if the money goes for a good cause it is sad that people are suckers for this nonsense. The author does not understand Quantum physics like everybody else.

Rajesh Sharma, you are narrating an experience that has been explained by science and it has nothing to do with an out of body experience as you say. You need to educate yourself and read some real scientific studies instead of just mumbo jumbo on this forum.

3. Posted by Verugold on March 6, 2007 06:48 AM

Dear Verugold,

My humble thanks to you, for your suggestion.

Lots of Love
Rajesh Sharma

4. Posted by Rajesh Sharma on March 6, 2007 07:07 AM

thank you dear friends for your commentary-

and I am from amish country, ruth- what nice synchronicity!

hey ! do not judge rajesh!
read below to see what the godfathers of modern science say regarding the "understanding of quantum physics":

Quantum mechanics is magic.
- Daniel Greenberger.

Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.
-Niels Bohr.

Those who are not shocked when they first come across quantum theory cannot possibly have understood it.
-Niels Bohr.

If you are not completely confused by quantum mechanics, you do not understand it.
-John Wheeler.

It is safe to say that nobody understands quantum mechanics.
-Richard Feynman.

If [quantum theory] is correct, it signifies the end of physics as a science.
-Albert Einstein.

I do not like [quantum mechanics], and I am sorry I ever had anything to do with it.
-Erwin Schrödinger.

Quantum mechanics makes absolutely no sense.
-Roger Penrose.

5. Posted by ReneeRZ on March 6, 2007 09:01 PM

Thanks Renee,
#5

Lots of Love
Rajesh Sharma

6. Posted by Rajesh Sharma on March 6, 2007 09:12 PM

Hi Renee, Hi All!

Some 17 years ago I was on what I call my journey inwards towards my 'core' and then reached a stage or state where I found myself asking, "well then I will not be free even after my death?". Implying that I was in fact in a state of afterlife but found myself not fully dissolving into indistinguishable ground of All There Is.

The reason later I found was that while going downwards I had unknowingly taken along with 'me' some this-worldly baggage in the form of the knowledge of some latest developments in physics and especially of four fundamental forces of nature. It was this knowledge which entangled into my basic consciousness was hindering my dissolution.

It further implied that until I got rid of it I will not go where I thought to be our final destination, of fully and finally merging with One or God or whatever.

Some time later, rightly, I had an insight regarding evolution happening in terms of four basic forces on which I later wrote my book Self-Designed Universe. As I see it now, writing this book was my attempt to get rid of that knowledge so that now when I will die my consciousness will be pure enough so that I will then be left with no individuality and hence no possible after life except as one with indestructible and immutable ground of All That Is also called God by people.

Till such a state is reached, we die with baggage of this world in one way or the other in some deepest corners of our minds. I think we carry this baggage in the form of what science calls Bose-Einstein Condensate, which as per my knowledge does not disintegrate even if we put it in the center of the sun. Here are a few relevant paragraphs from my book:

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All these lessons I learn daily, modify, and carry-over to the next day, further modify and carry-over throughout my life. Similarly, all these lessons I learn each life, modify, and carry-over to the next life, modify and carry over to the next life and so on: that is, till I have learnt all of my lessons.

Now, so far I can understand it, the final arrangement or polarization of the virtual particles around one’s ‘I’, one’s Mosc for each life, the arrangement at the time one dies - the final resultant of the lessons so to say (would the scientists call that the Bose-Einstein condensate of virtual bosons?) - does not disintegrate and is carried over intact beyond death. Having shed its actual body (body mainly belonging to or taking part in gravitational and electromagnetic interactions), it is now in the purely virtual realm, with a virtual body with the ‘account’ of the lessons. And that, in other words is to say, is to be in Hell.

Here I may quote from C.G.Jung’s ‘death’ experience to support our above view. Writes he in Memories, Dreams, Reflections:

"As I approached the steps leading up to the entrance…a strange thing happened. I had the feeling that everything was being sloughed away..the whole phantasmagoria of earthly existence fell away or was stripped from me…Nevertheless something remained; it was as if I now carried along with me everything I had ever experienced or done, everything that had happened around me. I might also say: it was with me, and I was it. "

Now, so long as this arrangement of virtual particles around one’s ‘I,’ one’s Mosc is there, one may be supposed to have an individual soul. These individual souls thus moving in the virtual world may, in other words, be described as the souls which have yet not learnt all their lessons.

After a suitable time all such individual souls - souls burdened by certain arrangement of virtual particles - would re-emerge into their new space-times automatically chosen by them in such a way that they would begin learning their lessons from where they left them in their previous births/lives. Of course, when they would reach the identical ages through cyclical development in their next lives.

The drunkard in his next birth would automatically shun drink. A Socrates in his next birth would see virtue in silence. A governor in his next birth would find situations automatically favoring his elevation to the presidentship of a state. A president who would like to be a fakir would automatically find his environment now pushing him towards that direction, and so on.
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Thanks, Harb

7. Posted by Harb on March 6, 2007 09:50 PM

Dear Rajesh,

I would be denying if I say I'm not affected by what has been said about you. It seems to be true, as you've never said anything about it. I'm saddened by your deeds because your posts are so full of life and fun, and all that Innocence, which I had once upon a time. Your posts remind me of that Innocence I had as a child.

It's Great to have Renee here. She is so loving, unconditional and supportive to you. I feel the love for you, but I cannot support anything of the sort of charges which have been levelled against you.

Wonderful points about QM Renee. You're an Amish beauty.

Love,
I.V

8. Posted by Innocentvictim on March 6, 2007 09:51 PM

Thanks Innocentvictim,

For your reply and suggestion.
I am humbled by it.

Lots of Love
Rajesh Sharma

9. Posted by Rajesh Sharma on March 6, 2007 10:23 PM

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