Interesting thoughts Rayman.

Peace

Certain people worry about a one-state world,
thinking this shall be presided over by an evil individual,
not realizing the Antichrist already rules,
his effigy is displayed in the names money, globalization,

and ‘free’-trade.

The mark of the beast is in your hand,
his evil is already in your head;
“without money how can the world go on,”
is the capitalists, and its economists servants,

battle-cry.

Do you think Satan would physically appear?
Do you think he would say, “look I am here!”
The people most certain they know G-d’s plan
are the ones who sign-off to the most brutal of terror.

Israel and America are the ones with the most bombs,
and perpetually at war.

Actions speak far louder than words!

Miming the words ‘freedom’ and ‘democracy,’
and yet it takes ownership, land, and money,
and being ‘right-wing’ or ‘left-wing’ to be on a ballot;
who truly knows the difference between mob-rule,

and an ‘elected’ representative government.

In this world money talks, even religion
bespeaks of a ‘gospel of prosperity,’
in truth denying the words and deeds of
Jesus Christ.

The only freedom we have is defined negatively!

So when a politician proclaims that we must fight for
‘freedom’ and ‘democracy’
one must wonder what is up their sleeve;
so many of them it seems in war have a vested interest . . .

One must wonder how many are invested in
war-making industries.

It would be a shame if all of us ‘average’ Americans

were simply being played: ‘noble lies’ indeed!

Peace

It's late and I'm tired and had a little brew...

But the thought that strikes me as I read your post is:

Wouldn't it be great if we could just stop thinking in terms of war all the time? Who says we have to have a war against this or against that? A war against women or men, a war against Christmas, a war against (fill in the blank)....

Why don't we ever get tired of being at war? Why is the call the war the one thing that ALWAYS works to manipulate a whole population?

No matter how many times in history we repeat the mistake, we don't get it.

The "war to end all wars" will never exist. As soon as we regroup from the last blowout, the clarion call comes again, all ye patriots!

What we call "peace" is not peace at all. It is simply refueling ourselves for another explosion of violence.

Violence, as you so rightly point out, that exists first and foremost in the minds of humans.

Hello Rayman and Everyone,

Good points and I couldn't agree with you more.

have a great day, ruth

Dear Rayman,

Good to see you again, hello!

This was a jihad from the beginning.
It always is, all through history,
the same damn thing, over and over.

We'd rather think it's about oil
or bringing freedom to the oppressed...
but we all know better and pretend not to.

Having been born with no sense of tolerance
for another family's freedom of religion,
and even though it's in the Constitution...
our forefather's should have known, and may have,
that people are born with a propensity to selfishness.

It would take another holistic project to undertake
the arguments of whether we are inherently
good, bad, or other.
A B C..
multiple choice, and we didn't create the choices.

We're stuck seeking solutions only,
never to get to the root of the problem.
We won't chase our own tails so we chase
the ones who dangerously wag theirs too close
for comfort, so close we end up only smelling their...
rubbing noses? You've got to be kidding!

If no one is brave...if no one is courageous enough
to stand in the middle of the road during rush hour...
just who is going to negotiate the deal between the opposites?

If enough of us were to take to the middle of the road,
there would be no room to drive both ways at once.

Hey everyone,

I found this while surfing the web and was fascinated by it. It's basically clips from the life of a young musician whose society has been deteriorating since the War in Iraq began.

It really brings home the plight of the middle class Iraqis who didn't start this war, don't have sides in it, and have watched as the very idea of living anything like a normal life in Iraq has been destroyed due to forces beyond their control.

It's called "Hometown Baghdad". Enjoy (if that's the right word). Put this url in your browser or click my name at the end of this comment.

http://hometownbaghdad.com

Another interesting thought, Oprah is the most popular show over there in Iraq. They are able to get it through satellite. Think about it you’re a soldier going into a house and they are watching Oprah. Are we really that different? We have a few people living fictions on both sides, and these few have too much influence. The majority just want Peace, food, shelter, travel and good entertainment.

A few people have created fictions, others live and react based on fictions in their mind.

The many need to create a single powerful voice embedded with the truths to dissolve the fictions.

All the people on the planet should be talking about the hexagons on Saturn and being filled with wonder not stress and conflict.

Apparently watching the news especially the local news is bad for your health. It produces high levels of cortisol which can damage your heart, weaken your immune system, cause depression, and also cause weight gain.

I wonder if there is a reciprocal relationship between the pharmaceutical industry and the media. The more stress the media produces, the more drugs are sold, which means more money available for advertising. In other words the media is compensated by the pharmaceutical industry, intentional or not for maintaining a state of fear and stress.

I have also written here before how I think anti-depressants and other mind altering drugs produced by the industry (which are more dangerous then the natural ones) are stifling our evolution and growth as a society. Feelings are the natural indicators of truth and motivators for action bringing change. If we deaden our feelings and emotions then we fail to respond in a way that will eliminate our stresses or transform ourselves to overcome our issues. We lose the ability for our inner indicators to flag fictions.

In other words if we did not have the nation drugged up, we might actually have movements that would focus the energy for change producing positive results eliminating the real sources of stress and conflict.

Apparently magic mushrooms work for depression is without side effects, and the positive results last for months if not years.

Also as I have written in the past.

There is no battle between good and evil in the universe. It is a battle between the truth and fictions in our own minds. We live in a society that depends on fictions, we have systems dependant on ignorance. To live the truth in a world of fictions is difficult because those that support the fictions are rewarded and accepted those that would live the truth are shunned and even persecuted.

It is Fear that causes all the detrimental behavior and conflict. If we seek to eliminate the fear in the minds of all we will have Peace, all fears are irrational born of fiction unlike rational caution where we seek to avoid undesirable situations and make a conscious effort to have control over the situation and energy is focused on solutions that allow us to control our reality.

Richard
What you are saying is so true, but so old. There have always been the few who rule over the many. Even in nature. There are fewer large preditors who feed on the many smaller animals.

As far back as we can remember the "people" have wanted peace and equality and the "elite" have said no. The people accept this and go back to grumbling. Until the frustration builds up and the cycle repeats. Over and over.

The question is can we grow as a people and no longer accept the "no" of the elite? Fear is what keeps us from not accepting freedom and peace.

Right now it is still an idividual choice. I sense that it will soon become a global one as well.

derek

Rayman is right we are fighting the wrong war. We should not be fighting at all.
We should be growing.
There is still something missing.
Why can't the majority rule?
Is there something fundementally impossible about it?
I understand how it works in my individual life, but how does that translate to global life?

We spend so much energy on this dysfunctional system of government, but it is all we have right now.

I know we will somehow find our way past this level of consciouseness, but it is still too abstract for most people to get thier brains around.

We're still fighting over peace.

derek

Derek,

In the past this may have been the only practical model the idea of wisdom being our leader. Everything has been as it should, and every change that comes to happen, should.

Technology has changed everything. There is no longer a reason for anyone to be ignorant and the collective intentions can be measured and dictate policy and action.

Each individual can have a vote, the decisions based on collective intent rather than the intent of a small number that can be corrupted or influenced by special individual interests.

The worlds governments are designed based on 200 year old technological capability.

Well said, Rayman.

Here are some statistics from research on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
As of 1995, the studied population of survivors' average age was 66. In 1990 about 54% were alive, and as of 1995 about 50% were alive. About 90% of those under 20 at the time of exposure were still living.
The phrase, "studied population" is important. In a 1950 census of about 280,000 Hiroshima and Nagasaki residents, about 90,000 survivors were selected in order to monitor mortality and cancer due to radiation exposure.

Words and phrases that come up as you delve into studies: Mortality, cancer, leukemia, chromosome aberrations, blood proteins, children, born to one or two radiation exposed parents, genetic damage, and congenital birth defects.
The number of cancer deaths among the 36,500 Life Span Study survivors who were exposed beyond 2.5 km is 3,177, including 73 leukemia deaths and 3,104 deaths from cancers other than leukemia (such as stomach, lung, breast, colorectal and liver cancers).

How casual. Mere words, right? Stomach cancer. How about a realistic, gritty Quentin Tarantino quickie of stomach cancer? Scenes: Loss of energy. Hair falling out. Horrific breath. Firey pain. Crying. Family in anguish. Pharmaceuticals. Side effects. Funeral. Funeral expenses. Children crying. Men and women wearing black.

Stomach cancer. Mere words.

Suspend disbelief. Imagine for a moment each and every person who benefitted from that war's forceful end had the responsibility to adopt a survivor and their offspring in sponsorship akin to the kinds of "sponsor a child" drives that charities promote ... i.e. you pay monthly and get updates about the child.

What would we have?

We would have a direct and personal understanding that when you kill a family's breadwinner, you set the family back. We would have direct knowledge that when you radiate a human body, the drive for procreation does not cease, even if the lab scientist cared nothing about the genetic legacy of his well-paid bomb design. We would know from our adopted pen pal's letters how he or she is getting through leukemia therapy and so forth.

Okay. Once we have that, would we do it again?

Who would sign the check for the crackerjack scientist in the lab driving around in a Ferrari on the weekends?

Fighting the wrong war?

Maybe. Most of the time I feel like I am living on the wrong planet, sharing space with too many killers and too many who look the other way. I call for focus on healing, health, medicine, life-giving and shared joys and I think healing, health, and medicine are the answer.

Megalomania is a psychiatric, thus medical, thus physiologic disorder. Killing Kurds with gas, thus, should have been punishable by an immediate and swift nice long hospital stay a couple of decades ago.

Let healing be the answer and let us learn our lesson from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Luckily, at least the effort was made to track the effect, the karma, and the gravity. If the world cannot learn from that then they are too dazed and dumbed down by entertainment escapism, debating for fun and profit, and a multitude of other pettiness.

We have karma and we have grace.

Blessings not just for those who pray ... luckily. (U2 - How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb)

I totally agree Richard.
We are trying to play with old out dated rules. Like in the article above we have a new challenge. We as a whole are not as supersticious in our spirituality. We are not as easily swayed with empty political promises. We are starting to put two and two together.

The internet has allowed me to speak my mind in a real time way. This has never existed before.
There are some new rules in favor of the people. One is technology another is the undenieable growth in awareness and consciousness.

There is a convergence in many fields right now.
Something is happening.

I think time and patience on my part is the answer for me.
I have had a sense of this possiblity for many years. I have observed many coincidences leading to a new consciousness.
I have given much energy over the years to the persuit of peace.

Patience is peace

derek

Who would promote the fictions that lead to a disproportionate allocation of wealth? The answer is those that would benefit by getting the larger portion. Therefore we should turn our attention away from these sources for information, so that we might not entertain their fictions that create such disparity.

We should look to independent subscriber based networks for intelligence, or those with at most anonymous advertisers where there is no direct communication and influence on the content by the advertisers. Should we look to those that profit from disease for knowledge regarding health? What incentive is there for them to end disease and provide the information to do so.

Why is it that livestock are pumped with vitamins yet humans are are told not to do so? Could it be it is relative to where the profit lies?

I must say everybody posting on this thread has indeed raised the bar of excellence.

Nice everybody!

Peace

I agree Craig----nice work everybody. Richard you have done some excellent thinking about new systems and lots of other things as well.
Doodleman, regarding the level of collective consciousness, I read a book some time back by David R. Hawkins, MD,PhD(He received a Nobel prize for another research project) and how he used kinesiology to test the level of consciousness during historical periods.. part of his theory was that if it were not for advanced beings and people of higher consciousness offsetting the negative influences of other people humankind would have self destructed by now. He also said there was a general rise in collective consciousness around 1980, and there would be another around 2010. I am wondering if you and other sensitive people(lots here at IB) are not feeling this. You seem to understand and act accordingly.

Again, good work everybody

Bonnie

Ref. 5, 7 & 11: wow nice!

Peace

Dear Rayman

Your post is insightful and honest (courageous, too). Thank you for sharing with us here.

If there had been a bigger mass of voices and minds like yours at work on this problem five years ago -- and your voices and minds were paid heed to by western policymakers -- it's unlikely the US would ever have entered Iraq.

As you say, something can be salvaged from the current disasters, if intelligence is applied to the problems.

Again as you say, the general problem of Islam currently fostering violence, as Chrisitanity did in centuries past, is an important one that can only be solved from within a real western understanding of Islam, and Islam's impact on the cultures that embrace it.

love, Heath

Bonnie
Interesting that you speak of the 80's.
I have talked about my experience in the 80's in previous posts.
My view of the possible future changed from one of Armegedon or nuclear destruction to the possibility of a peaceful reveloution.

I have known from a very young age that we were all connected by the atoms and molecules that make up the dust of the universe.

I did not fit in with anyone I knew. I would try to explain to my family and friends that the very breath you breath out has pieces of you that I then breath in. At twelve years old my words seemed crazy to my family. I became that special kid.

I also discovered that I could step between people who were fighting and they would just stop.

I have lived a very intersting life over the years. I can see and feel the oneness of everything all the time. Whether I want to or not. I always have. I am just now starting to come to terms with what I have experienced over the years.

I have been experiencing a build up of energy and convergences and coincidences happening. Everywhere I turn I see confirmations.
I'm not the kind of person to follow trends fads or even traditional anything. Just an impatient observer.

I see everything that is happening right now as the things that have to happen to create what needs to happen. Yo.

I do not claim to be a spiritual or intelectual person. Just some one who is sensitive to the subtle energy of everything.

I know something amazing is about to happen. It has nothing to do with science, religion, morals, democrat or republican. Nothing to do with me or you or any individual, but everything to do with you and me and the collective.

namaste

peace comes from peace

derek

Hi doodleman
I just noticed your post. I feel it too. I wish I could just be and observer(impatient or otherwise) but I keep getting into the strangest conversations lately. I know it is for some good reason.
Example: I went to a business lunch last week and after lunch some people were "discussing" the new minimum wage bill passed by Congress, blah blah blah, you can Probably imagine the conversation. Now, I normally don't talk very much or get involved in conversations like that, but out of the blue I popped up and said, "Well if employers and employees would just realized what is good for you is good for me, then employers would pay employees a living wage and employees would do their best to make sure the employer could and we wouldn't need governments to make any laws in the first place." The conversation stopped and everyone looked at me and seemed to just say OH! Then everyone got a little more pleasant.
Now I don't know if any of them will think any more about what I said, but they might and it could be a little spark that could light a big fire of a different way of thinking.

This has gotten too long winded. But didn't want you to think I had missed your post.

Thanks Bonnie, you are so thoughtful and kind.
Something is happening.
I hope to be on top of a Mayan Pyrimid on Dec. 21 2012 just in case.
I truly feel the energy building up.

peace

derek