DK:

Again!! Another beautiful post!!! HH Kirpal Singh's words are amazing!!

Thanks so much for bringing to us.. can you please recommend any book by him?

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Dear D.K.

Thanks for giving us Master Kirpal's point of view.

It was just in the paper yesterday, we may need to switch around
some of the animals where intelligence is concerned.

All dogs are of one species, containing similar intelligences.
Some are more easily conditioned.

Parrots have been found to be as smart as the Great Apes,
both being smarter than dogs.

Dogs are loyal to their Masters...that's why we like them.

Birds talk back!

Spiritual masters are the 'product' of weak interactions and hence endowed with highest consciousness. Below is quoted a paragraph from Self-Designed Universe which explains how they can effect persons with comparatively low consciousnesses as Master Kirpal says. To wit, it is because of peculiar properties of weak interactions, according to which, all the known particles get 'coupled' to them and thus acquire higher consciousness.

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If you would like to have an exercise for your mind for the present, try to answer the question: Why masters and sages have far greater influence and for far longer periods on the populations than the philosophers and thinkers? Try it seriously in the light of our discussion of interactions above -that mystics are the product of the weak interactions while the philosophers are that of the strong interactions. Hint: all the known particles in the world ‘couple’ to the weak force...which can affect transmutations in the particles...often propelling them to high speeds...their carrier neutrinos having sort of a network throughout the world...

If you wouldn’t laugh, I can give you a hint even in a very simplified language: The sages can influence even the ‘plants’ and ‘animals’ (if ‘minerals’ would be too much for you) among us, while the philosophers can influence only the human beings. And how many do you think are really human beings among us?

Harb

Hello DK and Everyone,

The beauty of it all is that the teacher, who is the SELF, is very concise, very thorough, very compassionate, until we understand or comprehend we repeat the lessons, eventually it dawns and we awaken and are thankful for the thoroughness of it all, no soul is ever lost or left behind, that is simply not the way of the SELF, that is, this love, this compassion.

have a wonder-full day everyone ruth

That means you're a product of strong interactions. Nothing really gets attracted to you and your book. LOL! Avtar will come and show you why there are so strong interactions in you.

Exactly, Ricky Ponting, ever since I wrote my book I am entangled into strong interactions. But thanks to cycles-within cycles I had experienced all interactions including the weak interactions up to my middle age as well. Which is why I now explain most things written in my book and even otherwise rather from the point of view of beyond interactions LOL.

I can see you're Really entangled! No freewill for you now. LOL!

Nothing really gets attracted to you - Ricky Ponting.

Ricky Ponting, dont worry, whosoever is repulsed by me is also attracted by me and you are one of them LOL.

And you are entangled in me, otherwise why would you 'waste' ur time reading and responding to me LOL

Not at all Dear Barbie! I'm attracted to weak interactions, like that of Sant Kirpalji, Buddha or Jesus. Look at their humbleness, who wouldn't get attracted to them, even ants and animals would get attracted to them. It is so true that one gets attracted to such figures, and never to egomaniacs who are filled with strong interactions, to whom ego battles mean much more than the subject. It is not a waste of time at all. Here for the Tao! To show the way, to lay the way, while I myself enjoy the way. Last but not the least, at ib nothing to pay for any book.

Dear Harb,

I just happened to be thinking of you earlier today.

Intuitively, I had had the thought that you and Avtar were
coming to similar conclusions from different directions.

What I admire about you, is that you took the time
to look at your own insights and merge them into
various arenas to see if they fit the picture.

You thought this through, is how we say it.
I'd like to see an evolutionary biologist who minored
in physics get a hold (ha!) of your material.
Were you planning a post on the theme of intelligent design?
Without a designated driver?

How did you resonate with Master Kirpal's ideas on free-will?
Just wondering, Harb...no big deal...ever!

Big Bang/Big Crunch, it's obvious you'll have to grapple with that.

Those are the two biggies for you, right now, imho.

You could wait a long, long time for hard evidence
to prove
what happened in the first itty-bitty moments of Time.
The math falls apart there...everybody's math.
That much we know, for sure.

Way more people are going to have a psychological 'problem'
with no sense of free-will whatsoever...
not even for God, OMG! I'm not kidding, my parents would fall dead.
I think I'll be alright, don't worry.

Just an attempt to lighten your day, 'dear'.
Let's not tussle over that easy word....sir.

Hang tight! Keith~

To All who hath spoken through men and angels
and allowed them to 'put it down' with words in books:

Dear Lord,

I know you don't need me to remind you of this...
so I will not.

Btw...thank You for all this and all that!
You know how much I appreciate it.

You know I want what's best for all involved,
especially my loved ones. Thanks for enlarging the list.

In case anyone else is listening in on this...I find
it amazing, Lord...a treasure hunt, at times!

One never knows when one's work is worthy of immortality.

Much less, longevity.

If Paul Brunton possesses an earthly body today,
and he doesn't yet remember who he is...
may he magically feel the thrill that I feel and felt
when I turned to the back of his book (written in 1935).
(It was sent from the University of Nebraska.)

For some reason, I always look to see when it was last 'checked out'.
Maybe it was before it's time was due, but no one has read this
since Jan. 4, 1940.

Sometimes, things get kept in the dark awhile to ferment.
Makes for 'good stuff'.

Thanks Lord. A + men = Women

Ricky, thanks to egomaniac in me that you have at least come to know that you are being attracted to WEAK INTERACTIONS!

And as for selling my book, a few people here asked me from where they could buy my book and my answer to them and in fact to many others who asked me was "don't". That I wouldn't recommend reading it. It will be too boring and tough. I just wrote it to present an idea - or rather the idea possessed me and got it written through me as I have always felt - to the world and it is now up to the idea and the world what to make of it, that is all for me. I am out.

And Ricky, continuing...even at amazon.co.uk where as an author I was asked to say a few appreciating words recommending my book I had written in effect the same. just read:

From the Author
Asking an author to comment on his own book is like asking a mother to comment on her own baby. Normally both would be expected to praise their 'products' to the skies. But even at the cost of sales I must admit that I cannot do it in the case of my book. While writing this book I was intensely aware of two facts about it. First, that it contains a really path-breaking discovery which must be presented to the world. And the second, that I do not have the required academic background to present it in a really systematic and coherent way even though nor I have any choice of avoiding it. Add to that the further fact that the experience of oneness I had, as mentioned in the book, and from where I had my insight about the evolution of the universe in terms of four basic forces, takes one so 'far away' from this world that it becomes very difficult even after years to keep the reader in mind while writing.

So all I can request the reader is to please concentrate and ponder over the main theme of this book - that of the possibility of explaining the whole universal panorama of evolution solely in terms of four basic forces or interactions - and bear with me as to the rest of the content. For, I am sure that some day the main theme of this book will prove as path-breaking in evolutionary thinking as Darwin's once had been in the ninteenth century.

well, I have a copy of Harbs book, "Self Designed Universe" and even my little brain of sorts can understand the logic; the rest goes through too, though filtered through my understanding levels(blush.)

All in all, I feel it's a book worth purchasing!! I love my copy, Harb is brilliant, and very handsome too(I saw his pic last year!!)

women in Canada Harb.. would "meowwww and purrrr" on seeing you.

I was surfing blogs, and found an al-jazzera blog!! aren't they the "bad guys"??

with loving kindness,
North

Keith, I see absolutely no difference between what I say and what Master Kirpal says.

And you are right but partially in saying = Intuitively, I had had the thought that you and Avtar were coming to similar conclusions from different directions.

While I am coming to the same conclusion from BOTH directions, Avtar is coming to that conclusion from one direction only - that of Relativity theory.

While I say that BOTH relativity theory and quantum theory can explain everything - as eventually both began and end in One, called Consciousness by Avtar but Mosc by me - and so will contain each other when fully completed, Avtar only sticks to the Relativity theory and avoids Quantum theory. And because of this I think his relativity theory is not yet fully complete and he is premature in declaring it so. When it will be complete I think it will speak for itself so loud that it will not need the support of any spiritual masters... Rather scientists themselves will make him the spiritual master...

Your book can be thrown in the Trashbin!! Are you aware of that Possibility as a scientist? Or just Obstinate, that this is the bible! You're not even aware of how obsolete is Big crunch. Get this straight, we don't need to know weak interactions strong interactions all that physics to God realization. I experience it in my being!!! Nothing more truer than that.

I'm almost sure, seeing it the way Avtar has shown how ignorant you're, your book will go into the trashbin!

Harb, keep on the right track... anything else is a diversion...

LOL, North, don't worry, these things are the test of one's spirituality!

Ricky #18: I'm almost sure, seeing it the way Avtar has shown how ignorant you're, your book will go into the trashbin!

So you are not FULLY SURE of my book going into the trashbin! Beware, some of its truth has taken you in! You are entangled in it from a very deep level and some day will have to buy and read it to get disentangled LOL.

Remember why I had said Piggish Ego? You don't have the brains of a scientist. It is clear. The concept of possibilities cannot get into your head. Avtar is so dead right about you. Don't be Delusional, learn some good science, if you do not be humble in accepting that. You're into the last word game, typical of ego preservation. Go ahead.

Bye now!!

Ricky, you take the support of Avtar, Avtar takes the support of spiritual masters, none of you is sure of yourself, you are existing in the world of possibilities/probabilities, I have had the glimpse of the world of certainty and speak from its point of view...

Ok chapter closed from me. I dont want to spoil DK,s project. Yet I want to repeat again that I have never objected to his incorporating anything of Avtar into his project, I will not even mind if Avtar writes the whole Definition of HQR Socratic Dialogue anew. All I had asked was to keep an open mind especially as much of the scientific world is grappling with the love-like charm of the quantum theory...After all this dialogue is not to promote the idea of any single person. Nor it is for hard science alone.

Ramana Maharshi once said:" Where science ends philosophy begins." I completed it in my own way as: "Where science ends philosophy begins where philosophy ends spirituality begins where spirituality ends THE WAY begins, which embraces all, yet is beyond all. I wish HQR Socratic Dialogue belongs to THE WAY, and not to any particular discipline may that be of science, philosophy or even spirituality.

Bye Ricky Ponting, sorry this will be my last comment to you, you can now test whether you can provoke me LOL.

mmm certainty and possibilities..big crunch certainty. ic

Spirituality is the Infinite field of possibilities~ Deepak Chopra

Dear Keith, Big Bang, Big Crunch and the controversy surrounding them is no big deal for me.

We go through our own big bang and big crunch daily when we begin from deep sleep and eventually 'end' into it (actually also each life).

In deep sleep, we (our basic consciousness)are one with the One, what ever you call it. Now this One is always there in the background even when we are awake now and living our normal life.

Now those who say there is no big bang or big crunch are right in the sense that we cannot pin point any particular point in our deep sleep state from where we begin our day or into which we end it. Here we or our basic consciousness is like a wave which theoretically never seems to merge into the sea of One. We pass through this sea/state as if 'lost'. This is also why One is called void. This is also the reason why universe is thought to be expanding for ever.

Yet those who say there is big bang and big crunch are also right (besides the point that Einstein's theory describes an expanding universe and so we can assume it began from some extremely condensed point sometime in the past) in the same way we will be right when we say that we began our day from some point and will end at some point.

The state of One or Oneness existing in the background is the spiritual dimension which we are trying to establish through our Socratic Dialogue. The 24 hour Day Part will be described by the Relativity theory when it wil be fully complete. 24 hour Night Part will be described by the quantum theory when it will be fully complete. HQR seeks to describe both simultaneously as they actually are. For, from within the 24 hour Day Part begins the Night Part when Day Part goes virtual into it or into the background, and from within the 24 hour Night Part begins the Day Part when Night Part goes virtual into it or into the background.

Avtar singh seeks to avoid the Night Part altogether by assuming that it is all Day Part from deep sleep to deep sleep state or from spiritual dimension to spiritual dimension, that Night Part either does not exist or cannot be understood. While this part contains almost the whole story of the next Day Part besides the energy to carry that on.

These Critics like thanga alex skeptisch were damn right, now I see it. Lot of these charlatans have entered and screwing up science like hell. Pseudoscience. Twist science to their convenience. Damn!

To my favorite friend, (put your name here):

How does anything ever come into being?

"Everything that is was first imagined." W. Blake

What finished product came before the idea? Or without intent?

We've been through this discussion before.

Many of our most famous scientists have awoken from their slumber
with a clue to solving their stickiest problem.

We all know what 'theory' means. Why leave it at that?

Why not go on trudging straight through the heart of the problem?

Beating around the bush may be effective, at times.
Blow the horns loud enough and the walls will tremble then crumble. Jericho had an idea.

.

Avtar's reply to me pertaining to saving the world
from self-destruction is troublesome.

When the question pertains to social responsibility
I do not wish to leave it all up to the politicians...do I? Do You?

Do we have to completely understand a subject to teach it, nowadays?
Or is teaching it a great to way come to an understanding?

"...like unto little children."

"No Child Left Behind", see how well it works?

.

Reference to #13, from "The Secret Path".
Guru speaking gently to chela:

"My son, it is not well. Hast thou forgotten compassion?
Shalt thou go forth to add to thy store of knowledge
while others starve for the crumbs of wisdom?
Wilt thou commune with the Divine Ones when there are those
who look for God but perceive only the impassable barrier
of the sky: when there are those who throw their prayers
to a void which returns no answer? Stay thy feet if needs be
but forget not thy fellows in distress. Leave not for
the lands of waving palms until thou hast well regarded
these words. May peace be ever with us."

G'day, folks! Keith~

Dear D.K.

Re #27: Glossary v0.4...Avtar's reply.

This is almost a version of 'synchronicity'.

Please reconsider adding it to the glossary.

Richard mentioned it in v0.3 and I have Jung's
definition of it, since he is the man who coined it,
I thought he might enjoy being included in our dialogue.

Keep up the good and righteous work, D.K.!!!

Promote peace when all else fails! Darn it, Keith~

This a duplicate post under the two main posts from DK: HQR: Sir Karl Popper: Paradox of Science & Truth, and HQR Project: Glossary v0.4

Dear DK and Friends:

I would like to continue participating in the HQR project if there is a clear path forward. I have posted earlier my recommendations for the path forward for this project to make an impact on science and to benefit common people.

Until then, I apologize and respectfully beg to say that this is my last post on this project. I need to keep moving on my original mission that I began six years ago and that is to dissolve all boundaries and conflicts between science and spirituality. And, continued demands from my professional commitments allow me only a limited time to spare.

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts, asking brilliant questions from which I learned a lot, and hope that some of you may have found a new perspective from my shared insights. I appreciate fully that many of the insights I am presenting are out-of-the-box and challenge the existing paradigm of the mainstream science, which remains almost entirely detached from spirituality or consciousness.

You have my contact information, in case you consider it worthwhile for me to contribute in future path forward. I intend to continue to contribute occasionally at IB via main-entry posts and would welcome all those interested to share their ideas and insights. Also, please feel free to contact me via e-mail at avsingh@alum.mit.edu.

I began my participation in IB at the invitation of Dr. Deepak Chopra, with a hope to form a coalition of leadership at IB and worldwide to lead the noble mission to bridge science and spirituality. I continue to hope that would happen some day.

I continue to share Dr. Chopra’s concern about the prevailing pseudoscience and metaphorism at IB. When, I joined IB about three months ago, I noticed an exotic exuberance built upon pseudo-scientific and metaphoric approaches defying not only science but the very spiritual teachings of the masters. I apologize if I have derailed the prevailing optimism and exuberance built upon pseudoscientific as well as pseudo-spiritual foundations. In any case, they can easily be restored back by ignoring whatever disruption my inputs may have caused. Hopefully, the natural forces of evolution would lead to the ultimate destination desired for this project.

Love
Avtar
avsingh@alum.mit.edu

DK: Thank you for introducing me to Master Kirpal Singh. I have introduced him lot of my friends as well through your posts and writings.

You have the humility of a student and mastery of a teacher. Looking forward to reading you here for a long time.