Thank you DK ... for sharing. This was a great piece of material. If only I could learn "Humility," - it is hard to die alive, but it sounds like, once done, there will be no more deaths. I think many of us do partial deaths and it's painful, so we may say, will I did it and it did not work or it hurt like hell - the grave. Personally, I think it's hard to die in the world. It's like one must detach from everything and go to woods or a cave, which I think might make it easier. However, Deepak says we can find God in this world, so there must be a better and easier way to detach. I heard yesterday within the Wind, "Let go of everything." Yep, that's going to be hard to do … in this life time :- )

Anyway, thanks again.

Love, Char

Dear DK:

GREAT POST!!!

Humility is the foundation of the Holistic Relativity model that seamlessly integrates science (quantum mechanics, relativity, and Newtonian dynamics) and spirituality, the essence of the wisdom of the spiritual masters.

Humility represents the fundamental property, the Truth, of the universe that governs the behavior of the smallest, small, medium, large, and the largest entities in the universe.

Humility is synonymous with consciousness, love, oneness, eternity, and omnipresence.

Humility is neither a force nor an evolutionary phenomenon but a state of egoless and timeless being. It is not, howsoever often mistaken as, politeness that is an acquired behavior or code of conduct.

Humility is a relativistic and not a quantum phenomenon. Below is an extract from one of my papers describing the one to one correlation between humility and the physical world phenomena that have been modeled in the Holistic Relativity formulations:

“RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HUMILITY AND PHYSICS

Avtar Singh

As defined above, the central moral feature of humility or kenosis is self-emptying and giving up of one’s own wishes on behalf of others. In the thesis presented in this paper, we translate the “self-emptying” property of a person to the “self-induced or spontaneous decay of the mass of material body to energy.” Just as the self-emptying of a person leads to sacrificing his/her ego in the form of wishes or desires, the spontaneous conversion to energy dissolves the well-defined identity of a material body in the form of the constrained boundaries and specific physical properties of its mass (for example its inertia and weight) in space and time.

Furthermore, just as humility, kenosis, or self-emptying is accomplished in the spirit of altruism or helping others, the spontaneous conversion of mass to energy helps fuel the kinetic energy or motion to the remaining unconverted masses in the universe. In the absence of such a kenotic or spontaneous generation of kinetic energy, the remaining masses in the universe would collapse under the pull of gravitational forces (evil). In this sense, the implied self-sacrifice of the decaying mass is what provides life or existence to the universe in form of the so-called dark energy of modern cosmology that fuels the observed acceleration (life) of the universe.”

Love

Avtar

I am the scum of the earth, full of worms and holes.

Water goes right through me, sunlight penetrates not my outer layer.

Maggots make their homes around me, slime oozes over and above me.

In darkness I abide. In privacy, I am sustained.

My release is not forthcoming, I am buried deep under a bog.

.

What want have I to see the sky or need I wish it away?

To stay unknown beneath the throne, the curse He put in play.

A greater silence, more still than still...

My contentment, His love. My peace, His Will.

Low-life scumbag...the bitter pill.

Your duty? You only have time to kill.

Kill some time before it kills you!

.

To clarify, I meant 'time' to kill,

not...time to 'kill'. Say it out loud..."KILL".

"Kill, Kill, Kill!" Sounds funny coming out of your mouth, doesn't it?

If you don't think it's stupid to kill,

keep on saying it over and over until it sounds ridiculous.

"Kill, kill, kill!" See? It's working already.

Now say "HUMBLE"...I dare you. Over and over...

I can't do it. Starts to sound like "humbla".

.

I'm sorry. It's Friday, folks. You know what that means.

Whatever...

This is a very beautiful and inspirational post on humility. Thank you very kindly!

I do not wish to kill.

Any person, killed in mine or my country's name,I HUMBLY ask your forgiveness.

LOL, just switch off your ego and switch on your humility. That simple! If you don't know how to do it just ask our friend Avtar singh! (He will give you a formula for spontaneous decay.) Making planet earth a heaven is only a switch away if only the world will listen to him!!

As for Harb, he will rather be forced to be humble by the grand evolutionary scheme of things of the universe than be humble HIMSELF, for otherwise, who knows this may feed his ego even more, thus taking him further away from real humility.

Harb - who was actually forced to decay some 18 years ago and who since then does not even know who is it in him who is to be humble.

D.K. and Avtar,

On the one hand, you seem to be saying that one is

born with a certain degree of humility. You imply

that it is a grace born either of God's wishes

or the result of evolutionary forces. But humility is not a force.

So forces create the form substantial, which is

not a force in and of itself.

God induces the non-force of humility into one at birth,

and one can neither increase nor decrease the

degree hereafter of one's own accord with self-will.

Spontaneous decay is not caused by our self-will.

Yet you say on the other hand, that one can 'self-induce'

decay of mass(body) and transform it to energy,

thereby giving free energy to whatever mass is leftover.

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Emptiness or non-existence can also be seen as

lowering one's base vibration or having evolution lower it for you.

If one can reach a certain level by self-inducing

the process, certainly one's own will cannot once

again fill itself up or induce a higher vibration

just because that is what is preferable.

We have traveled far from the root word of humility...humus.

Humility cannot exist on it's own, just as

the clay cannot self-induce the breathe of life.

My little mind only wishes to dissolve so Great Mind

can take over and drive whatever remaining

free-will or mass that I possess.

While in all actuality, there is only One Mind

in HQR and that is the Mind Of God.

Since "I am" God, I can self-induce my Will

therefore "I am" free, although I myself have no free-will.

And I am free to go. Bye! Keith~

Dear DK, Your points in #8's 1 to 4 have said it all.

As for "Humility is a relativistic and not a quantum phenomenon. [AGREED]"

I don't think we can attach any adjectives to Humility.

"Elimination of desires by asking for a merger with the Supra-Universal Consciousness is a path to humility espoused by the Great Spiritual Masters."

Asking for may be good but it may even be better if one simply had patience and faith enough. Supra-Universal Consciousness knows everything, knows what to do and when.

A river (SOT) which began from the mountain top will eventually merge into the sea; and a whirlpool (person with ego)which formed because of surplus of energy at some point in it will eventually merge with the river, irrespective of whether they ask for it or not.

Love and blessings,
Harb

Hello DK! Just wanted to say Hi!

Hello DK and Everyone,

There have been moments in my life when I have experienced true humility. Moments. Really, in those moments I have wanted to fall to my knees in gratitude. The moment passes, and I let it go, confident it will return, again. I do no try to hang on to it and wear it round my neck like a sign, look at me-I know humility.

Acting humble does not make one humble just as reciting wise words cannot give you wisdom.

True humility is utterly beautiful and I wish I had more of it, but I only have my moments.

have a wonder-full day everyone, ruth

Dear D.K.

Thank you for killing some time on my behalf.

The All-in-One is talking to His Self again.

He did a fine job showing Himself patience and mercy.

He made Keith (who thinks he is still Keith)

go to work this morning because another of His selves,

namely, Keith's boss (who still thinks he is Don),

told him there was over-time available.

Both of them are just going through the motions caused by Him.

What if Keith decided he didn't feel like going to work today?

Well, he couldn't do that either. If the AIO wanted Keith

to stay home, He would have made him nauseous this morning.

That's a good one and usually works.

Keith's soul is now witnessing Keith's body performing

finger movements and his eyes are looking up and down.

Now he is waiting for Me to give him the next line.

What shall I tell his little self to say?

I shall make him feel hungry and help him realize

there's beer in the fridge and munchies in the cabinet.

Now I will tell him to say good-bye. Watch this work.

"Good-bye everybody!" Peace, Keith

(See?)

Dear Heath,

Keith had the feeling you were here being quiet.
Glad to see you are following the bliss AIO dangles
in front of your eyes. Two at once, even!

"Hello! Good-bye!", says little keith.

"Keep in tune with your Self," says OIA.

Dear D.K.

If God gives you this thought,

"We should change Keith's designation from Philosophy/Poetry
to Comedy/Color Commentary",

God's Will will then tell keith that that's okay with him and Him.

Me2...Me1&1/2...Me1...Me1/2...Me All together, NOW! Muchos buenos!

Humility comes when you choose to empty yourself and ask the Holy Spirit to fill you, to permeate every cell and to surrender to God.

Surrender is a process that requires faith and trust in an awesome God that is all wisdom, love and joy. In letting go we find and in faith we act to become more like God by being less like ourselves. May God bless all of you Intent bloggers!

Dear Keith,

When one will understand this "I did it or AIO did it through me thing" perfectly, one will be like a little child, who simply does her thing without thinking who did it.

Or, one will work as naturally as taking breath. One does not think whether he takes breath or breath is taken by AIO through him, though both of these would be true, of course, with later more true.

Harb

Dear DK, #13.

You are right, but just in case you want to have an other spin:

Relativity may explain Supra-Universal Consciousness for those who surrender, who 'see' it 'out there'.

While quantum theory may explain it for those who inquire, who 'see' it 'in here.'

For example, for Nanak who said "dharti hor pareh hor hor" the first may suffice; for Ramana Naharshi who said "where is the world except in your mind" the latter may suffice.

Forget if it doesn't make sense though...

Thanks all of you and apology to all!!!

Lots of Love
and Humbleness

Rajesh Sharma

The Egoless Attitude is the picture of the egoless personality appears to us to be but a zero-personality, with no self-assertion, no ambition, no dynamic living at all. It may only be a life of impotent sleep walking and a generation of such individuals would certainly upset all plans for the so called growth, progress and happy living. This will be the impression that will strike us at the very outset, when we try to grasp and conceive the attitude of the egoless person in the community.

Ego is the sense of “doership” in all actions springing forth from us. This “I-do mentality” asserts our individual responsibility and its people. Unnecessarily, thereafter, the ego comes to carry a heavy load of empty responsibilities!

A river moves on, by its own nature it is moving on. But it you were to sit on a rock and paddle your feet in its water, it is for the sheer joy of it. But to feel and then to assert that your paddling is the cause for the entire river movement is the play of the ego, and the exhaustions, anxiety, strains, etc. to maintain the river are the hollow rewards of your false attitude.

One sitting in a train need not push the train and cry “I am the one who is making the train move”.

The body is the capital city – where the ego has its palace - is fortressed by the physical body, with nine gateways for transactions with the world outside. The mouth, two nostrils, two eyes, two ears, one anus, one genital opening – together nine openings are there in every physical body. They are guarded well, and at night, in sleep, all are closed.

We all owe our today’s so called progress and civilization, science and culture, law and order, inventions and discoveries to this egoless attitude for inspiration with a touch of creativity.

Your all out participation in your studies and sincere discussions with the learned is necessary in order to gather clarity of understanding of egoless state.

The egoless or self realized neither rejoices while meeting what is pleasant nor grieves while meeting what is unpleasant. This state of “no reaction” may appear as a mental life, with neither joy nor sorrow! This state is not a state of dull emptiness, but is a state of “undecaying happiness”.

Lots of Love
Rajesh Sharma

Rajesh,

My impression at the outset (many years ago) was what you just expressed.

We read about these Masters who have ab-(para)normal abilities.

To some of us the impression we take away from it is,

"They just sit there, back straight, eyes half-shut,
seemingly in a trance, doing nothing quietly."

"He who would save his own soul shall surely lose it."

Does that then mean, He who would save his own soul MUST lose it?

Or does it mean that once the Truth is obtained within oneself,
one should kill no more time in self betterment?

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To show no emotion whatsoever is murdering a valuable asset
set forth and given birth by the natural forces of evolution.

For those who are deaf, facial expressions are indeed necessary.

In a funeral home or at a wake one should act appropriately.

To share in a families grief is to help them carry their cross.

Cold-hearted, unsympathetic and uncaring attitudes
have no place in such a setting. It could easily hurt
someone's feelings. Someone, that is, who is still afraid of death.
And that would be the majority of the people's attitude.

Same goes for rejoicing in celebration with those
who have attained to their heart's desire.

It would be a bit inhuman to be stand-off-ish
and set oneself apart, acting in a 'who cares?' manner.

Melancholy man, severely depressed, have you forgotten
the idea of living life MORE abundantly?

We almost saying here, that it's okay to obtain more joy,
more peace, more compassion and mercy, more contentment...
but don't you dare show it or express yourself.

I have a major problem with this type of thinking.

Then again, I've never met an egoless person in any state
or Capitol city who has 'undecaying happiness',
who nobody even notices or if they did,
they would hardly care less.

Have you? Anyway, it's good to see you back. Keith~

Dear Keith

So many questions very few answers. Thanks for your explanation. Some times I don't know what I think is what is real. Both in reality and in dreams. I wish I knew answers for everything. Atleast for one question; do I know the answer for This question? I don't know the answer. Your comment is you and I see you talking directly to me. It is so surreal. thank you Keith and thank you Intent blog, DK Sir and Mallika Madam. You are the best mong best among best.

Lots of Love
and Humbleness

Rajesh Sharma

Rajesh,

See what we do? We say, drop the little self wherever you find it.

Find that in you which is impersonal...supra-impersonal.

No pride whatsoever may enter here.
Glory be to God and to Him alone!
All praise belongs to the Lord in the Highest!

Yet consciously or unconsciously we build up each other's egos
with praise and thank you's and, "Oh, my God...good job!"

I can truthfully say I'm not over and above criticism or praise.

I'm all for "Everybody wins!" type of solutions.
No losers whatsover! By the act of giving myself away,
I, too, obtain relief from past transgressions
and un-righteous ways.
If karma cannot be fixed, well...maybe it can be re-versed.

That's my job, the way I see it today.

Humblah, humblah, yada, yada, ho! Yours truly, Me

Meister Harb,

What about the old story versus the newer?

Not a quote...something about, "When I was a child
I thought, looked and acted as a child. Now that I've
become a man, I must put away those childish things."

And we have, "To get through the gates of Heaven,
one must be like unto a little child."

It's like Moses versus Rumi here, don't you think?

I've been around to see many children go through
the 'terrible twos'
and I don't think we imply acting like unto toddlers.

So when we say 'little child', just how little are we talking about?

Oh, yes...When the Knights of The Round Table went
of in search of He who would save the Throne they
were led to a certain house. Perhaps, as the story goes,
they were wrong in choosing the future betrayer, Lancelot.

Why? Because also in the house, lying in a manger,
was a babe named Percival, who would later in life
chase The Holy Grail instead of finding it within
himself, thereby claiming the throne via the Temple.

Anyways Harb, that story came to mind but I may have told it wrongly.
Please excuse all omissions and errors.(well?)

Just attempting to make a point and get some clarification.

Hoping you catch my drift, Me

Dear Keith

"All praise belongs to the Lord in the Highest!"

I agree with that which is almost impossible to practice.

'Thank You' for sharing your thoughts.

Lots of Love
Rajesh Sharma

Dear DK and all,

Back from holiday my first contribution to the Socratic Dialogue on HQR has been to update all the articles posted here as from 11th march up till now, including the Glossary V0.5 on the Alliance for a New Humanity Global Wiki Project:

http://wiki.anhglobal.org/wiki/Holistic_Quantum_Relativity

For everyone´s convenience, you can read all the respective articles one after another with a link to each next article at the bottom of the page and in each article is a link to the glossary. It is also possible to obtain a printer friendly format so that you can print out that what is of interest to you. The link to a printable version of the articles is available at the left of the page.

With love, Mieke

In a Dutch newspaper of yesterday i have read a very interesting article on the calculation of 200 billion parameters, the fomula of the most complicated symmetrical object E8, the mathematical Everest.

I found this very to the point of our HQR dialogue as it is closely connected to the relativity theory, the quantum mechanics, the particle physics and the string theory.

What struck me was the picture of the E8 Root System that is almost a total copy of the One-Thousand-Petal Sahasrara Lotus.

Found this picture also on the Internet at:

http://aimath.org/E8/mcmullen.html

When you scroll down the page it is there in all its glory :)

The presentation of the enormous calculations can be found at:

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2007/e8.html

At the end of the Dutch article a few sentences caught my attention which i would like to translate here:

"And who knows, so was speculated during the presentation, maybe some day it may appear that E8, the group of the largest symmetrical structure of all, forms the basis of a complete description of our Universe".

Welcome back, Mieke!

I do hope you had a great vacation!
All rested up and rarin' to go, I see.

You are such a good worker and marvelous contributor.

I wonder how many pages it would now take to print it all out.

100? 200? Just Curious Me, still hangin'.

Dear Mieke,

That moving picture of E8 is maybe the coolest mandala
I have ever seen! Wowser! I'd love to have a print!

Someone will be flooded with requests asking for permission
to re-publish this glorious, global conglomeration.
I would wish we could borrow it for HQR's presentation.

.

While I was voluntarily transfixed on this sight,
allowing my eyes to receive the light in gratitude,
the colors began to blend, float and trade places.
All except for the eye which stubbornly sustained it's projection.

Red and green were predominate whilst
blue and yellow easily disappeared from vision.
Flashing my eyelids, the flowery figure
danced and I obtained a top-down viewpoint.

Then it would spin like a ballroom gown
and the Queen's head would stay perfectly in place.
Sometimes the center would warp into a vertical eye
and would seem to be sideways from my perspective.

Very, very much worth saving! Thank you!

Hi Keith,

Thank you, had a great holiday with two totally different weather types lol, first week abundant sunshine and 16°C, second week 15 cm snow and 0°C. Both extremes for this time of the year in our surroundings. Both had their charms though and i fully enjoyed them!

Found a new level of living during this holiday: background music.

When i walked in the woods with my little cairn terrier, there was this lovely background music of the birds, wonderful people exchanging views about dogs, holiday cottages, the weather etc.
And watching those crows making their nests despite the snow and all those lovely finches and titmouses in the top of the trees, still able to find food and enjoying the sun :)

Am glad you liked that picture of E8 so much! I fully envision your description :)

Hi Mieke

It is nice you enjoyed your holiday. But I wonder what it has got to do with the discussion in this thread. Wouldn't it be nice if we keep private conversations private. Of course I ain't following that either. Or may be the Open Thread? Well, anyway don't be so humble as to give a second thought to my humble comment. At any regard you contributed many a woman hour for the project in Wikipedia pages. Please carry on exchanging your pleasantries. I don't want to be a spoil sport either. LOL

Lots of Love
and Humbleness

Rajesh Sharma

Dear Mieke,
It sounds like a wonderful holiday, and resplendent with nature to keep you company each day :)

Dear Dk quotes Master Kirpal:
"We are, as it were, in a cage of self-centeredness, and until this prison is opened by the key of humility, the swan bird of the Soul is not free and cannot swim to the regions of radiance and joy."

Radiance and joy is what comes through in your post Mieke. Thank you so much for sharing.

"Each one of us is unique in his own way. There is a divine purpose behind the life of everyone who comes into the world; no one has been created for nothing. We have something to learn from everyone. This is the mystery..."

with love
~ Kate

Rock on Sister Kate!

Bound by attachment and ego, some days it does not pay to gnaw through the ropes.

You just end up in another knot.

peace....
Renee

mr matai.

I’ve been reading your posts since a year. They are not only enlightening but have been helpful in clearing plenty of puzzles and my dilemmas. It’s beautiful to read the thoughts shared by the fraternity at the smae time
its just fantastic---

"Dear Friends

Thank you for your input. His Holiness Master Kirpal once said:

"Be very much on guard, you see: Guard your eyes, guard your ears, guard your tongue. The remedy for these things is usually: Kind words imbued with humility. That doesn't cost anything. Kind words imbued with humility. Sometimes we become bosses; we use any language we like. But even a very frivolous thought carries its effect. Karma is very exorbitant, you see: as you think, so you become..."

With love

DK"

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I agree DK and this I will remember, as I choose to create Love or friction, with Love being the most perfect - my ultimate desire, so I will work on remembering "Humility." Lots of work before me :-) Thanks and again, good luck! Love, Char

DK Matai