hellllllllllllllllloooooooooooo Gotham...

long time no see ...

hummm

except maybe ...

in teh screen of eternity ...

oh ...

Shekhar...

the Golden Age ...

ecstasy of the third kind ...

hummm

oh yes ...

did I ever say it ???

like father like son...

the same zeeeeeeeeeeexy looks ...

that makes me go YUPIIIII!!!

WOW ...

look at those lips...

he hee hee

no wonder I get chickened...

but never mind ...

some serious gorwing up going on...

oh says my spirit ...

what that ???

ok ok ok

this quantum physics...

the eternal now ...

no need to go gaga ...

oh yes ...

a seroious request ...

for darling Shekhar ...

hooooooooo

Will he please show up ...

such a pelaaaaasure ...

an O of kinds ...

oh jeez ..

is this me talking ???

well let me go now ...

enough said ...

need to beahvi miself ...

or BANG ...

out you go ....

OK OK OK

no more hanky panky ...

NO NO NO !!!!

If a son is around 28 and his father is around 56 and they do not quarrel among themselves, spirituality or no spirituality, one of them is not being true to himself.

hey...

what happened to all the other posts????

this is weird ...

ai ai ai ...

all te nonsense standing out ...

chikened I go...
can feel my little cells going red ...

oh

no wonder I suddenly wtaste cherry ...

oh ...

no more ...

tata ...

adeus ...

au revoir ...

kix kix ...

sneezy ...
snorty...

oh dear ...

the impact of Gotham's vibration ...
no doubt ...
works every time ...

hummmmmmm

oh yes ...

had this vision ...

for a new movie for Shekhar ...

the lives of children ...

in countries like Africa and India ...

left to defend for themselves ...

used and abused to no end ...

coming through on the other side ...

as heros and heroines of teh third kind...

an awakening to the world ...

inspiring us all ...

to rise up and to deliver ...

yes ...

need to call Shekhar ...

what's the number ???

ai ai ai

this trembling on my legs ...

who cares ???

OH ...

never mind ...

the smell of roses is so much more alive ...

soooooooo...

done deal ...

You're so cute Gotham. I love your fun filled blogs.

oh smoked something ???

all the time ...

getting sober with RUBI ... my baby capuchin ...

sitting on my lap after her early milk ...

thank God she sleeps now through the night ...

almost ...

now suckign her thumb ...

a newbie ...

as never seen it on other capuchins ...

wondering on what she is trying to tell me ...

a need of sorts ...

soooooooo very cute ...

oh

I realized ...

must have learned with me

hee hee hee

specially when I come to chopra land ...

with all these hotties ...

leaving me....

ohhhhhhhhhhhh ...

cannot explain ...

except maybe

sucking my thumbi...

there I have it ...

darling rupi acting out for mi...

hee hee hee

Dear Gautham.. great to see you again, you busy young man!! Quite a full plate of mindful-play you got there.. glad it is yours, and not mine(wink!)

I was EM'ing with Anou of ProjectWHY, and those 48 girls rescued from the nightmare ishram they were raised as animals in..this past December, need comics!!

Could you, would you, should you.. send them some of your Virgin Comics? In their healing, imagine the gift this would be to them, to read their Sacred stories of old.. via "your" delivery, and magnificent graphics!! Lift them UP< and out of thier cage.. even if only in their imagination...

Mallika has Anou's contact info.. google ProjectWHY... see what you can do for 48 abandoned girls.. and you will be my "new" hero, for just about forever...(gentle smiles, and a hopeful smile, and begging plea on behalf of 48 orhpan girls in India.)

Anou does not even know this yet, as she has probably not read this letter.. I place it here.. for "your" benefit... to be kind. to pay it forward...

now,, THAT is a juicy bone to chew on.. yes? Just add it to your plate...

--------

Dear Anou, from Canada to India with loving kindness--- this is my joy to the world day!! This is long, please forgive my long-winded joy to the world day!!
on tomorrow, I will mail to you, fifty dollars towards the 48 girls care-needs!! If I could, I would buy four vans for them, and a warehouse of girl-supply needs and clothes, shoes!!~~ Enclosed, is 2 healing stones for you.... use them for now.. but-- please give one to Utpal, when he graduates grade-school and embarks onto high school-- it is embedded, with the word "HOPE"... and the other stone, is for one day, when he graduates high school, and embarks onto college.. it is embedded, with the word, "BELIEVE"!
The reason, I want YOU to use them for now Anou is; so you can charge the stones with your loving, compasssionate energy, all the next many years!! Everytime, he is sick, or angry, or you need to help him more... hold the stones, and charge them with hope and believing, that people of love and kindness, and generosity, still exist in this bleak new world..... the stone is the root of the earth---when they come into his hands one day.. you will give him this energy for courage, strength, and confidence! "our" gift to him.. from this famous man....
There will be an envelope addressed to you and the organization--for the girls donation organization with the fifty dollar cashiers checque in it, made out to the organization!~ there will be an second envelope tied with care, to a tin-box package, wrapped in gold tissue paper addressed TO: Anou! on the other side of the same tied box, is a tinier envelope, marked TO: Utpal. In there, will you find five dollars, to please buy Utpal a sweet treat, or a small toy, or need he wanted, for so long... from me and Lee, please? and put the card, in his scrapbook? open the package, and Utpals stones are one each, in a bronze gift-bag, tied with ribbon; in one of the bags Anou, is a surprise for YOU.. I will keep that "gift" a secret surprise though....just to tease you playfully for now, but if you can't stand the wait.. I will relent, and tell you(giggles.) I tore one of the beautiful cloth bags, stuffing it with the stone, can you mend it Anou? My glaucoma eyes, cannot see enough to sew! Should you and Utpal part ways one day... as time seems play with life and people... it will be to your discretion to give him the stones and hope his mother saves them for him.. or keep them, if she remains careless.. as I care deeply for you both(wink.)
I was paid one thousand american dollars, for my design, I created! I was never in my life, had this kind of money for my own use! I am still shaking, Anou!! I felt, a millionaire... Out of this money, I will have to relinquish fifty percent, to my disability program.. I begrudge this somewhat.... because it took me approximately forty hours of PC work, for this money(which I did not expect in the first place)... which I have "never" had before, and I wanted to give most of it to people I love, and 48 girls, abandoned of hiegenic care needs, such as mere soap and napkins!! I cannot imagine living without them.. and I am considered poor, in my position.. isn't that strange, how poverty, even has drastic levels as much as wealth does??
Of the remainder, I bought my Mother, six pink roses; chinese dinner delivered to us at her home, and fifty dollars. I had to insist, she let me do this!! I sent each of my two sisters, fifty dollars(they do not know, it is coming!!) I will deposit tomorrow, two hundred dollars, for my son, Lee( he does not know either)! I paid monthly my taxi bill early, of thirteen dollars, and gave the driver a two dollar tip! I will spend approximately forty dollars on medicines like vitamins, and minerals, as my stomach is atrophic, and it might induce some energy, and for lots of yoghurt and fruits!! I will even STILL have a little left, for under-clothes for myself! : )
And so, from the fruits of my labour, and from the generous kindness, of a famous man; I have been given the "gift" to give.. which I have not been able to do, in about seven years!! I am crying with joy.... how do I thank him profusely, without fan-drooling, or blubbering like an silly woman--for giving me this opportunity, to do this?
Some will call me crazy for giving it all away... but, you know Anou.... I still feel like a millionaire!! my treasure-trove.. is within my heart, where God resides... and I merely reflect, it is my hope.. God's eternal and internal reflection!! This famous man, believing I could create a captivating image, to represent his business.. gave me the true gift of wealth though.. and that is--self-confidence!! I offer to you, Utpal, the girls and ProjectWHY.. merely a thread of hope.. may it refresh the generous nature--in all wealthy hearts.. to lift these children, from their abandonement.. and to start them onto a road of healing from their nightmares....
It seems to me, it no longer takes a village to raise a child--it takes the "whole world!"
I am so happy, I am shaking terribly strong, and tears sting, and burn my diseased happy eyes.. and my heart, feels it will explode! I hope, that you, my sisters and son, my Mom; the girls and Uptal.. and this generous man; will feel at least, a minute fraction of the joy of giving, recieving, and paying it forward as I am, this very moment!
I disclose the thrifty spending of this gifted- windfall not for heroic praise.. but to plea to the world, to be generous too.... "from" their hearts.. of Godness!
with loving kindness,
North

I mailed that letter to Anou.. about 2.3 hours ago.. I wonder if she read it yet?

I know a lot of Families spiritual as well as not spiritual where there are no internal quarrels WHATSOEVER. Wonderful harmony, plenty of respect for the elders as well as the young ones. Quite rare, but they exist. Especially in the spiritual families, it really is beautiful in their homes. The energy in their homes is so much of peace and harmony and joy. Two of my maternal uncles have such families. Someday again, the world may have lot of such families.

Amen!

Dear Gotham.. related links to the 48 ghiazabd orphans whom "need" comics.. if but, to escape their dark worlds.. through pictures, for the yet.. and hope to be one day.. uneducated ones... it is comic books Gautham.. which created the designer in me.. who knows, what kind of minds you might self-empower..with a mere few hundred laying around in a warehouse somewhere... inspirational giving.. comics?

Plate full yet? YOU have the power, to inspire, the desire..

could you?
would you?
should you?

http://projectwhy.blogspot.com/2007/03/lost-in-translation.html

I totally agree with North. Instead of selling comics to the rich kids and making millions out of it to live a life in suv's and mansions, better hand out some of the comics to the poor orphans as north suggested. you will be doing some good spiritual work that way at least. we all are one after all in spirit.

6) Anand Jon - whoa brother. What the #$@$ is going on?

*** Shocking and sad! I remember this guy was once on the People mag's list of 50 most beautiful people.

8) For three years I was a member of a gym and managed to put on 15lbs. For 4 weeks I've been ona diet and started riding a bike and lost half of it. Confused.

*** yup ! weight loss/gain works in miraculous ways. I think all this fluctuation has something to do with Karma ...

17) I'm sticking by Jetblue.

*** Thank you for the info :)

Dear Amanda..thankyou for supporting the 48 girls.. and how I merely intend at this nocturnal night for me, to lift up tired Anou.. and bargain with the generosity of the universe, to aspire, to inspire...

Comics, believe me.. was my gateway to internal freedom,in many profound ways. It inspired a world, impoverished abjectively.. into a world of colour, imaginative fragranced chinese pink blossoms... OR< the smell of the sea, which I have never smelled even yet.. or the crystal beaches, that sparkle like diamonds!

IN my dark world of then.. comics took me to places beyond the confines of circumstance.. and into a world of possibility and hope..

it became my talent "now." (blink blink!!)

for the girls.. for the men too... as consciousness is human-related, and absolutely, non-gender specific.. (isn't it?wink! or blink if you are alive)

BlueBeard-Commentary by Clarissa Pinkola Est
QUOTE: Clarissa's Commentary On The Story Of Bluebeard

[…] "That is why the women lie as skeletons and cadavers in Bluebeard’s cellar. They learnt of the trap, but too late. Consciousness is the way out of the box, the way out of the torture. It is the path away from the dark man. And women are entitled to fight tooth and nail to have it and keep it.

In the Bluebeard story we see how a woman who falls under the spell of the predator rouses herself and escapes him, wiser for the next time. The story is about the transformation of four shadowy introjects which are in particular contention for women: have no vision, have no insight, have no voice, have no action.

In order to banish the predator, we must do the opposite. We must unlock or pry things open to see what is inside. We must use our insight and our ability to stand what we see. We must speak our truth in a clear voice. And we must be able to use our wits to do what needs be about what we see.

When a woman is strong in her instinctual nature, she intuitively recognizes the innate predator by scent, sight, and hearing . . . anticipates its presence, hears it approaching, and takes steps to turn it away.

In the instinct-injured woman, the predator is upon her before she registers its presence, for her listening, her knowing, and her apprehension are impaired - mainly by introjects which exhort her to be nice, to behave, and especially to be blind to being misused.

Psychically, it is difficult at first glance to tell the difference between the uninitiated, who are as yet young and therefore naive, and women who are injured in instinct. Neither knows much about the dark predator, and both are therefore still credulous. But fortunately for us, when the predatory element of a woman’s psyche is on the move, it leaves behind unmistakable tracks in her dreams. These tracks eventually lead to its discovery, capture, and containment.

The cure for both the naive woman and the instinct-injured woman is the same:

Practice listening to your intuition, your inner voice; ask questions; be curious; see what you see; hear what you hear; and then act upon what you know to be true. These intuitive powers were given to your soul at birth. They have been covered over, Perhaps by years and years of ashes and excrement.

This is not the end of the world, for these always wash off. With some chipping and scraping and practice, your perceptive powers can be brought back to their pristine state again. By retrieving these powers from the shadows of our psyches, we shall not be simple victims of internal or external circumstances.

No matter how culture, personality, psyche, or other might demand women be dressed and behaved, no matter how they may all wish to keep all females in a gaggle with ten dozing dueñas, chaperones, nearby, no matter what pressures attempt to compress a woman’s soulful life, they cannot change the fact that a woman is what she is and that this is dictated by the wild unconscious, and that it is good.

It is crucial for us to remember that when we have dark man dreams there is always an opposing power poised and waiting to help us. When we initiate wildish energy in order to balance the predator, guess who immediately shows up?

Wild Woman comes diving over whatever fences, walls, or obstructions the predator has erected. She is not an icon, to be hung on the wall like a retablo, religious painting. She is a living being who comes to us anywhere, under any conditions. She and the predator have known each other a long, long time. She tracks him through dreams, through stories, through tales, and through women's entire lives. Wherever he is, she is, for she is the one who balances his predations.

Wild Woman teaches women when not to act "nice" about protecting their soulful lives. The wildish nature knows that being "sweet" in these instances only makes the predator smile.

When the soulful life is being threatened, it is not only acceptable to draw the line and mean it, it is required. When a woman does this, her life cannot be interfered with for long, for she knows immediately what is wrong and can push the predator back where it belongs. She is no longer naive. She is no longer a mark or a target.
And this is the medicine that causes the key, finally, to cease its bleeding."

The dark man in this story is what?

Fear or ignorance, or are they the same?

North

Oh.. however Amanda.. I do not support your view, that Gautham hoardes wealth, and does not have the right to it.. I merely am "asking" him to donate laying around comics for these girls..

Nothing wrong with being wealthy.. and you would be dearly surprised to learn how generous all the Chorpa family here.. actually are(wink)to charities in India.. yup, I think everyone would be.. I am not proclaiming I "know" but, I know through whispers in the wind... they pick and choose their "causes" to rally around..

as indeed. right now.. I have chosen more than a year and a half ago..to stand beside Anou and ProjectWHY....

but, I am so very glad, you agree, if they are laying around.. hey.. then why not? they are made there, aren't they??

you and people like anou are doing a great service and I believe there is no hypocrisy in people like you. Whatever you preach you practice. It is one of my points north.

You're right in saying nothing wrong with wealthy. I never said it is wrong. What I say is if you preach equality and spirituality like Dr.Chopra where they say all are one, one is all and all are equal. Is there equality in this world? You tell me north! why? I will tell you. It is because of these wealthy capitalists who capitalize on the masses to sell anything from comics, spirituality and what not. If you do that, it is fine, nothing wrong. Then you go onto say we are all equal, we have to eradicate poverty and what not, and their assets don't amount to a few millions, but hundreds of millions. If you think, that much is needed to live a good life, and then preach the world about spirituality. I don't have anything to say.

Jasleen, Please don't get this "What the F#$@$" stuff again here on gotham's thread.

thx.

Amanda.. the only hpyocrisy of wealth I can construe. is when it is not shared with others with none.. the world is a united family, at least this is what we all proclaim to desire for our childrens future...of how many left.... tomorrow's "for them"?

I also believe, there is nothing wrong with spiritual practicioners to reap the rewards of their gifts of intelligence and wisdom; and I cannot rightfully call this kind of "gift" profiting in a malicious way.. for said above reasons already stated.

I have not one shred of guilt, accepting the design fee.. I do not expect Gautham, to feel guilt, for accepting "his working" fee?

WE do not have that right, to compromise their integrity.. based on gifted wealth and talent... and reaping merely, from their own labour; not unlike ourselves?

So, I am hoping Amanda, that you too.. will contribute to the girls, in any way "possible" for you, as well?

with loving kindnes....
North

If there is A LOT OF something it cannot be QUITE RARE.

Moreover, exceptions prove the rule.

re: scifi references -
Ray Bradbury: classic, prolific, reader-friendly.
Issac Assimov: mo contemporary, mo scientific.
Samuel Delany: my fave, has sexual kink, some works are mo swords and dragons than scifi. "Dhalgren" is classic, but a long read, beautifully written.
John Norman: hardcore str8 bdsm, lotsa swords, litta bit scifi mixed together, Planet Gor classics. Babes in chains on the love furs.
You're in a hurry so I'd suggest the vanilla Bradbury and Asimov stuff. Delany is bi/gay, but arguably one of the mo artistic writers. You're str8 so Norman's series on Gor may be more personally rewarding, but warning: he's extremely chauvinistic to women and very brutal to men. Actually it might make you nauseous if you're real sensitive.
This is a VERY big genre, hope you get mo feedback than just mine, which is obviously limited.

Oops, left out one of the very, very best of all:
Ursula K. LeGuin. See particularly "The Left Hand of Darkness".

I grew up and out of the confines of my abject poverty as a child.. with comics of superman, the fantastic four, the archies, richie rich, and the pussycats-a girl-band that wore leapard costumes, and jughead...also a romance comic, of which I forget the title.. I did not resonate with such false perceptions of love and perfection of love.. lol

yup.. and I was always called a daydreamer... as it all inspired me to draw, to write, to jot down.. my own inner markings through time..thank god.. it was my only "escape" to my inner beingness... and look at me now!

as for the archies influence--I am a Betty, not a Veronica!

As for the superman influence--I am a defender of those, whom need defending, when I have the strength to defend..

as for the fan-4 influence--I am a team-player, and not a hero-seeking iconic egoist.. I became a source of oneness, not THE force of one... lol

as for the richie rich--his and his family's humbleness and sharing of wealth, inspire my generosity

as for the girl-band, pussycats--it inspired further, the mutual respect in a group of friends

as for jughead--I loved his hat; crocheted one by accident at 16, trying to make a doily(giggles) covered it with buttons as he did, wore it to high school, and instantly created a new fad--days later, most girls also had one... lol it was so far-out!! lol so my sis and I did this.. created "fads" at our high school..

all, from comic books which at the time; were deemed as time-wasting... it may have taken me 40 years, to create a design, for one thousand dollars... from when I sold a poem to a teacher for ten dollars at age: ten... but, I did it.. didn't I?

point... 16 love?

for those unfamiliar with tennis terms, if memory serves me correct.. 16-love means a tie-breaker??

Gautham.. did I just break the tie for you? lol

Spoke like a dud Barbie! LOL! By saying Lot of families I meant, say about 40-50 in my whole life, of what harmony I described. When I went onto say quite rare, it was in the context of today's life, the present era because people like you don't have a clue that they still do exist it is just that the % has tremendously declined to the earlier yrs. I wish like Avtar you had good brains to analyse and update. No one else understood you better than him. I've been saying all along big crunch! LOL!

Hello Gotham and Everyone,

Good to see you back Gotham.

If you are interested in this..

Just watched a documentary last night," The Heart of the Game"(recently out on DVD) about a girls basetball team from Washington State. The documentary follows the team for seven seasons and it is exciting, interesting and inspiring from start to finish...five stars..

have a great day everyone, ruth

There is a possibility Sheikh Mohammed cut a deal to admit to all of them so there will be no reason to look for the real perpetrators. The question is who could he have cut a deal with while secured in Guantanamo? On the other hand perhaps he is protecting his own brethren.

70% of those polled had the intuition that he was not responsible for all of them.

The timing of these confessions and inquests, with upcoming US elections; truly must make us stand up, and recognise the continuous manipulation, to obscure the truth about 9/11!!

My first instinctive reaction, when 9/11 was that of it being US related.. call it awareness, call it intuition, call it pyschic. just do not call it absurd.. because truth cannot be absurd, to those; willing to digest the discomforts of truth... while discarding the sediment of its possible bitterness..we become liberated from the lie...

Mo musing on the futuristic visions of scifi - how open to interpretation does one want to be? A bleak portrayal of the future can be interpreted either as an advocacy of it, or as a warning that something should be done about this or that. Its not always easy for people to make a distinction, because often produced material incorporates elements of both advocacy and warning in the same work. Explicit disclaimers could be useful to clarify to one's audience what the intent is.
(Assimov's short "The Ghost in the Machine", btw, speaks specifically to the issue of whether people are merely matter or something more.)

Dear Anou.. I have been attempting to get into my hotmail account for well over an hour now, and it will not go to hotmail, whatsoever!! And so, here I AM, letting you know; I am true to my word of action.. and have mailed the gifts, and donation for the 48 Ghiazabad girls, Utpal.. and the surprse for you! Unsure of arrival of 3-7 weeks... as exress was more than the donation.. had to go lesser cost of mailing.. sigggh.

I could not believe the work it took, to get this mailed.. being such a small town, even major banks, were unsure how to send international money orders for as far as India!!.. the post said, had to "apply" to Ottawa, they approve the funds, etc.. weird.. so I opted for $50 dollar US currency money order, which is made out to the charity organization... I am hoping, with the currency exchange rate difference, the group will make money, and not lose money on that exchange.. lol

I hope I can get into my hotmail later.. it is bizarre to say the least, as i can surf the net, but only not hotmail?? hmmm

with loving kindness, I have been burning the candles at both ends, since end january when the logo design project began... as well as other things on my plate..

Gautham.. today, I know how you feel in respects to full plates... and prioritizing ones thoughts and actions.... whew!

Love, North

Alrighty then, not one to run from a mountain like not getting into an EM.. was finally resolved with a dingaling on the horn, to the ISP!!

After being "guided" to four different phases of their auto-service, tell-messaging; I finally got to the end of the long run, and learned that they are experiencing tech difficulties, beyond their control in regards to MSN??

Big brother in the "sky" perhaps.. mingling where big brothers, don't belong... when big brother is actually a tyrant, not a positive leader-ship?

Ooops, did I "say" that out loud? I plead temporary insanity; due to the fact, I cannot pee, poo, eat, sleep, have sex, though a proud celibate since 99, so I am (disqualified) shop, walk, nor think out loud, bathe, shave, etcetera, etcetera.. without some perversion of being constantly "watched."

The Watcher, is not watching; but interfering in our freedom to do the said above in the dignity of our personal rights, of privacy!!

Flussshh.. enjoy the journey from there big brothers...as I resonate with Gautham's #1 on his plate... again, I plead the 5th; as I feel this invasion of my privacy in regards to moral decency of body and practice of body care.. to their subjective perversions of technical power..

IS--tyranical.. and in their "action" of said weilded self-serving power... I am alas.. powerless, to remain quiet...herewith insanity is a valid reason to protest??!

sigggh

I should rephrase the last line to:

"the insanity of that kind of power, is reason to protest."

Hey Struggling blogger,

You're so random that you missed the t in stuff. What you write is so random really, almost incoherent stuff. We will greet you with hey @#$#ing comic Dude. Just kidding.

Do donate some comics though to the orphans, rather than profiting all the time.

Reddy

Good to see you being sensitive dude. The whole point is rather making huge profits out of it, got to do plenty of service, or at least have that right attitude towards humanity. After all, your father teaches that. It is but natural that a huge responsibility falls upon you when you're children of the world famous spiritual teacher Dr.Chopra. You have to learn to live upto his name. It can turn out to be a curse or blessing. I hope you stand upto that reputation of being his son.

May God bless you my son!

Reddy

Hi Gautham, thanks so much for reading my rant-round-a'bout!! Gosh, I thought the comics were "mde in India" thus, my plea.. lol

One thought did rise to mind though... do you sell them there?? IF so, then have family/friends..pick them up and deliver them(the appropriate ones.)

IF not, perhaps an IB fundraiser, would help raise funds to buy reading materials for the orpanage girls.. to buy in India(no mailing costs); and fam/friends can deliver them(no transportation costs?

OR< we can produce the addressess's of the 4 orphanges the girls were split up into.. and have global donations mailed to the orphanges.. the cost to mail one or two comics, would not be much for one person...

IF not... we have a brick wall I guess; but, I do thankyou profusely, for responding; to the possibilities, comics could give them... in their deprived worlds.. as it certainly gave me a mind, outside circumstance.. as a child.

with loving kindness,
North

India Authentic comics would be most appropriate, Gautham!! Time has no time.. we only think "we" do.. so thanks for adding this to your full plate, Hero!

whew-boy.. here we go again. with typekey, and IB.. I am logged IN< I am typing in the I am logged in... window.. right? Then, I post.. and it goes to "not logged in" window.. like yikes!

Here is an update on the girls Gautham.. which was just on NDTV News!!

http://ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?id=102285