DK:

Welcome!!

Dear DK,

Thanks, divine will always prevails... unlike the finite mind with it's limitations, the infinite mind knows no obstacles and is unlimited in it's capability and resources.

More thought later on this post.

Dear D.K.

Thank you for this post!

Only one question today, anyone may help if they know.
I believe that someone with the name of Whitehouse
has their own college.
I think they specialized in evolutionary theory
and were very close to the Intelligent Design schools.
Is this the same guy? Same family?

Mary Baker Eddy's "Keys to the Scripture" I read when I was around 21 yrs. old.
If was the very first time I had looked at The Bible
from a perspective other than 'literal interpretation'.
What an eye-opener it was for me. And a new beginning...

TRANSCENDENT: That word never fit in for me.

It seems to imply that God sits outside His creation, as in Deism.
It was and is a word that's used a lot when discussing
Eastern philosophies in the English language.

"Be in the world, but not of the world" seems to support this idea.
Heaven and/or(or not) Hell was supposed to be someplace 'out there'.

Talking about levels or planes of existence also
then falsely puts barriers 'in place' that separates
and divides those who inhabit these various island utopias.

It looks like to me (since I said one question only)
that we are talking about expanding our awareness
or consciousness without leaving anyone or anything behind except memories.

W. Blake says that true Art cannot be made from past thinking.
It's about what we know right now and how we feel right now.

I feel like a re-birth this weekend. I guess that means
we All feel "...just like like starting oh-over",
as J. Lennon sings it.

Can we? Really? "Lord help us, again...really!"

Hoppin' and ready to go! Nothing new in that. Peace!

Dear DK.

Welcome back.

The concept of Oneness is not possible if there is one creator separate from one creation, because then it leads to the duality (not Oneness) of the creator and the creation.

In summary, the Oneness means that the creator and creation are merged into One Wholesome Existence, the eternal and omnipresent Consciousness or the zero-point energy of the HQR.

Love
Avtar

I never posted much on the original HQR series because I didn't have much "time" And also, I sometimes have a difficult time in expressing exactly what I want to say. So, someone else expressed exactly what I seem to know and want to say regarding creation and I will just quote it:

Existence without form isn't imaginable, yet at the same time it's the ultimate reality--this includes both yin and yang; the unmanifest and the manifest; the formed and the formless; the seen and the unseen; the temporal and the timeless. Thus the real world is simultaneously the REAL world, for that which is All Possibility must include within it all that is.

Creation is, therefore, continuous, or there could be no creation at all. To look for the "beginning" of creation is to proceed from an artificial notion of time---the "start" of something that's outside of time cannot, therefore, be located in time. The "big bang" can only occur in the mind of an observer.
David R. Hawkins,MD,Phd

Avtar
I haven't a clue what zero point energy means, but I have always thought that one should
always try to maintain positive energy(Wholesome Energy)(Life enhancing energy)and avoid that which is not positive(UnWholesome energy)(Life weakening energy)

I think I did no participate in the original discussion because I read one poster actually say something to the effect of "May the "weak" force be with you." Don't remember who that was, but I said to myself then that this whole thing is just wrong.

I am sincerely hoping HQR can proceed again in a most positive fashion.

Welcome back DK.

Love Bonnie

As far as integrity of principles go, I sincerely hope that your guiding principle will be to stay in the "field" of positive energy, and avoid the "field" of dark energy.

Thank you for listening.

Bonnie,

Physicist Syksy Rasanen of CERN in Geneva has just written an article on how Dark Energy may be an illusion. The premise is logical. If it is reality is yet to be proven, of course so is dark energy. Oh and dark does not mean bad. Light results in the creation (data transfer) representing form. Form is separation then again I suppose it is the mind that the separation occurs.

CLICK MY NAME AND READ THE ARTICLE

I would also note for all of you I have noticed the increased use of the word "ILLUSION" by Physicists over the last year and a half.

I like the word "Appearances" myself. You know those virtual photons making an "appearance" which creates one.

I wonder if there is a virtual being that also makes an appearance as human which also creates an appearance with it's fictions and story telling in it's mind and others.

That above should be Syksy Rasanen put forth a premise, someone else wrote the article.

But science can certainly give us an idea of ONENESS can they not ? They sure can !

Well at least it appears that way, reality? Time will tell. We tell time and it tells us.

I think a good visual can help many to understand.

Bose-Einstein condensation is such a thing.

If you CLICK MY NAME there is a little interactive visual where you can control the temperature and watch the results of many becoming One.

There is a simple to understand dialog there on that page which will impart some awareness regarding this whole area. Where...

"What it really means" is probably a question Einstein should have asked, but did not. He did not realize how weird a material would be with all the atoms in one level like this. It means that all the atoms are absolutely identical. There is no possible measurement that can tell them apart. {What does that sound like?}

You know Bose had trouble getting people to believe him and to publish his ideas in the scientific magazines of the day, so he sent them to Einstein. Einstein liked them, and he was a very important scientist at that time, so he used his influence to get them published.

I can relate to Bose, I just wonder if there are any Einstein’s on the planet or people of such infleunce?

Now as we see Science has given credence to Spirituality and Oneness. Or am I wrong in this presumption? Your thoughts?

If one only could get people live the truth rather than the fictions most were taught.

You know if you know how the divine moves and nature works, one does not need to be psychic to predict the future. Then again there is an art to creating it as well.

So for investors would it not be a great thing to know the workings of that all pervasive intelligence and nature?

If such investors were of this state of mind would they not direct the energy (wealth) where it would do great and beneficial things?

So would those that learned of what One speaks not be rewarded and help to implement the solutions and be purveyors of the truth to eradicate the worlds fictions? Would they not have access to an intelligence beyond measure to help in there daily affairs and decisions?

just some speculative thought...

For some Heaven is a destination, for others earth is a school, but for One Heaven on Earth is the desired effect.

To live as One and separate in every moment.

You know in the Bible it speaks of the Lion and Lamb laying down together.

I tell you the Lion is the Ego and the Lamb is the Spirit and they can live in harmony though wisdom.

You see in the spirit one cannot climb a mountain or experience the raw power of a tempest but to be Spirit in the World… there is a divine experience

and the key holders will have the keys
~Infinite Play the Movie

As for darkness and light, I love them both, for in the darkness I hide, and in the light I am found oh what game it is... I recall a game called tag and the exclamation “You are it!" and the chase begins... and we exclaim to them “You are it!" we speak the truth in this game.

When someone responds to you as a result of a fiction we should forget it, for to remember it is to give it a validity it does not have. Those that respond to it with their own fiction have embraced the other’s fiction and denied their own self, have they not?

Unless it is a fun game of pretend and serious not, for with fictions we can play, yet play war is not.

Richard #8 [If such investors were of this state of mind would they not direct the energy (wealth) where it would do great and beneficial things?]

Such investors see the perfection in the scheme of things of the One or Oneness and see that the energy is already directed where it does great and beneficial things. (It may not seem to be so to us individuals as individuals or as individual mankind - as compared to the whole scheme of things of the universe - but 'such investor' will see it as such by rising above these individualities.)

When "I" died as a mineral, or as a man, a normal person would see it as death, as energy having been directed wrongly for this to happen, but not the person who KNOWS. He, like Rumi sees it as his enhancement and would say like Rumi, "when I was less by dying?" He will feel that no energy is directed except as desired or directed by the One or one's One Grand Scheme of Things (further explanable through four basic forces or interactions.)

Happy Easter to you too, DK!!

with loving kindness,
North

What if living in balance and harmony didn't mean years of meditation?
What if it did not depend on having high morals?
With if living in peace didn't require the absence of violence or anger?
What if this new consciousness had nothing to do with science or religion or even spirituality?

We are more conscious now than 10,000 years ago, but we are no more spiritual, maybe less. We have more technology but we still can't answer the most basic questions.

We have become so smart, yet we are not aware of the subtle energies that even my dog is keenly aware of. We have to meditate for years to experience what my dog just wakes up to every morning.

I'll say it again, the more you try to explain our mysterious universe the further you get from the answers.

Science and spirituality are cool to play with but they are limited in proving anything beyond themselves.

I experience the oneness the spiritual masters speak of. I can see how everything that ever has been, has created everything that is. I know that my very sneeze ripples throughout the universe. There have been times I have been out of my body and in this whiteness with out asking for it. I could no longer feel my body even though I was standing at the time. I have been visited by a monk in another moment I did not ask for. He was plesent, he just smiled at me and was on his way.

I say all this because I don't subscribe to anyones belief systems, I don't practice meditation and I'm quite irreverent about it.
Yet I have had some of the same experiences that I have heard deeply spiritual people talk about.

I believe that this new level of consciousness is nothing special and at the same time so exciting. The common man will understand and be aware of things our greatest scientists and spiritual masters can not even grasp right now. By letting go of spirituality and science long enough to hit the reset button.

Yo

peace comes from peace

everything is everything

derek

We need a chat room, So we can chat like all the kids in Myspace
V

Intentblog Administrator or Mallika Chopra can easily create a Chat Box and provide a link in the homepage for the convenience of bloggers.

It's worth a trail (It's free):

http://www.chatcreator.com/chatbox/

Similarily DK Matai can create a Chat Box for HQR* participants and provide a permanent link in HQR* Posts.

Thank You

Well why not also create a MySpace for the HQR dialog. We can also get one of the world famous singers or groups to write a song called Holistic Quantum Relativity.

Maybe Pink Floyd will do something sounds like their lyrics. There was anothr group silent lucidity was a song? Even a Google map mashup would compliment the project. We can put all the mystical places and scientific places and sacred places, and attach video to each location. We could map all the spiritual teachers and physicists, scientists, philosophers on a map even those in the past and have a video associated with each one.

The Holistic Quantum Relativity Tour it will complete The Magical Mystery Tour that began in the sixties.

I AM the walrus. Then there is the Egg man. And if you click my name you can see the E8 Lattice Egg and Easter the resurrection of a truth lost

The more places it is written the better.

Here is a new thought that popped into mind.

I am not anti anything I am pro wisdom.

Now it is a meme.

"You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one"

an old meme not forgotten, and from it the Prince of Peace begotten.

Richard

I will give you my thoughts(perspective/point of view). It "appears" to me the overriding theme in all these conversations is Energy. Einstein was about energy, Spirituality is about energy and promoting the theme of Everlasting Life as taught by Jesus and staying in that positive energy. Global Warming is about energy, Peak Oil is about Energy. We are about energy and how we dance with it.

When I speak of "dark energy" I do not mean black holes or dark energy as spoken of by science,(although it could be the same thing), I mean the debilitating negativity that kills spirit(life)and can spread like the flu virus.
We all get "sucked" into it, our entire world civilization gets sucked into it to the point where it becomes almost impossible to have any energy left at all. That seems to me to be what is happening on a large scale. It is our job to get over it. I too like the play of dark and light,but semantics plays tricks.

But it also seems to me, there is a new energy, already there,just waiting to be found. I can feel it, I cannot describe it.

This is getting too long winded. Will talk more later.

Bonnie

the above post went through before I read your #16.

See there is some of the new energy, and how to dance with it.

Ref. 13, and 16.

Very creative!

Peace

If we are all One, or are shards of the One, then G-d is evil; the downfall of participating in physicality apparently. Evil as far as humanity currently defines evil that is, you know, murder, stealing, adultery, lusting, being Iranian (har har har), etc.. Mayhap we are progressing along with G-d in achieving some sort of end; maybe G-d is not omnipotent.

Or perhaps as in Judaism G-d is wholly other, setting down a dogma unto which people must infallibly adhere to to approach the greatness of G-d. An unbridgeable gulf most definitely, and perhaps some have had the fortitude, and the material accoutrements, that have made this approach possible, alas, obviously, there has been little moral progression in this world as far as I can see; excepting that the governments have far greater physical ability to enforce whatever their legislated, adjudicated, or executively declared form of law is . . .

Apparently we must all wait until we see the face of G-d.

Or, perhaps only the ‘privileged’ get some sort of mystical knowledge of G-d in some personal revelation, you know, like George Bush, Joseph Smith, or Jim Jones; but then again, maybe perpetual war, 14 wives, and some tasty Kool-Aid is the answer!

But I disagree with Hobbes that we need an all-powerful state to keep people civilized.

Moral intuition you say? The Holy Spirit that dwells within all of us, and yet only our carnality is what tempts us unto making the wrong choices, and if we can just have the strength to overcome these bodily wants we may progress unto being more G-d-like; innately knowing the good, just needing to do the good being the dilemma . . .

Hmmmm . . .

No! These are just societally manufactured norms that work to keep the masses under thumb. Hence ‘citizens’ cannot murder but the state can, people cannot steal but the state can ‘appropriate’ lands and the mega-corporations can have the state safeguard economic conquests, thou shalt not lie but the rich and powerful rulers can if it is ‘for the better’ of the unaware people, thou shalt not commit adultery but hey ‘boys will be boys,’ and as long as you are not screwing around with another man tis all good, or if you are rich and powerful enough you can be declared ‘healed’ by the Protestant church . . .

Yeah . . .

We are all physically One there is no denying that, forsooth, we are made of star-stuff. But let us dispense with the ghost in the machine nonsense and read Feuerbach!

Peace

Craig,

I humbly request you join with us for you speak
a language understood by the many.

WE can do this, my friend! And it will make a difference.

It has to if we are it.

.

Derek,

The highly intellectual crowd (not my Job)
cannot be denied their say.

When it's all said and done and it all gets figured out,
I'm betting it will be so reasonable and logical
that even an ignorant soul like me will understand.

You and Craig are here to help us 'keep it real'.
You're both here, with us now, for good reason!

Don't you believe that? Peace is not a lunatic.
That is my job. Keith~

My dog woke me up with his subtle energy to go outside, so thought I would post what I must have been dreaming:

I have used the term "What that really means" many times and to me, it means

Life itself will go on with us or without us, and
I am One with Mother Nature, her Divine will correct imbalances in Life Itself, even if it takes her a billion years. She is Patience itself. We little specks of life can become either, like fossil fuel was for us, an energy source waiting to be found by a future life form, or we can embrace Life and not slay the spirit by letting the ego run amuck.

Is this predicting a future of chaos and die off or creating a future of Love, Joy, Compassion, and Peace. Could be both. Creation happens.

Going back to Peaceful sleep now and wait for a Lovely morning.

Keith,

Even though I rarely respond to your posts, and I have been reading them, it is just b/c, well . . .

I don't know really, you say some really good stuff!

I read almost all posts that are posted, and you more often than not leave me thinking.

I don't know if this is good or bad, but I think if one is compelled to think this is a good thing, like the saying goes, 'it is what it is . . .'.

I appreciate your kind words.

Nice Bonnie!

Peace

Final Destination

I had the most vivid dream a couple of nights ago, and it was just like those ‘Final Destination’ movies. I have not seen any of those movies in well over a year, and I do not recall consciously thinking about them lately either; so why I would have such a vivid, I mean quite real, dream just like them is beyond, or within actually, me.

It was strange! Me and a group of people whom I did not know were at some house, and one by one we were being killed, or ‘just dying,’ in freaky ways. And I remember that I was sitting with my back against the wall in a chair telling the other people to be careful and I am looking all around for whatever might possibly kill me.

And then I woke up.

A room full of strangers, each of us struggling against our impending doom, all so alone in the struggle, yet willing to help each other, but unable to alter the other persons’ fate. Or are we? I don’t know . . .

This last weekend I saw an old friend, Doug, went over to his new house, this massive 450 thousand dollar house (in Spokane I think that firmly places him and his wife in the ‘middle-class’ category) out in one of those suburbia neighborhoods, his brand new Lexus, his wife driving a shiny Hummer, and they are both insurance salespeople. They are also Mormons, both having Mormon parents . . .

All of the houses in this neighborhood to me look like the mansions you see in movies, even though I know they are not, and even this neighborhood pales in comparison to the outlying communities behind those electric gates, or the ones with security patrolling their communities, or the ones up upon the mountain bluffs looking down on the whole city, or especially the ones 20-30 miles out of town . . .

And you know by the time I was 20 years old I had effectively ruined my life, having been in juvenile most of my teens, and already having copped adult thievery felonies, and the last 20 years since I have certainly done myself no favors . . .

And I know there are kids far worse off today than I ever was, I know b/c one of them is my son, and several of them are half-brothers and sisters I have not seen in over a decade; and this says nothing of the black ten-year olds that would sell me crack in the nineties for their parents or older brothers and sisters; and I know there are kids even worse off than this in this world.

Life is what you make of it to an extent, but also the family one is born into can play a large role too, one can be the son of Irving Kristol, Rupert Murdock, Dianne Feinstein, or the local successful doctor/lawyer/land-owner/banker, or one can be born with AIDS in Africa, a Chinese or Indian peasant, or into the local meth-head family.

‘Don’t worry about the other people just save yourself,’ v. ‘I can only save myself by trying to save the other people;’ and here I have not the spiritual ability to do the former b/c I have not the material ability to do the latter, or is it, I have not the material ability to do the latter b/c I have not the spiritual ability to do the former . . .

Yeah . . .

derek #12, every word you have said is true. I wrote in a similar state "Man is capable of having the last laugh! Beyond good and evil, beyond divine/undivine, materialism/spiritualism lies his fulfillment. A master is one who is neither an atheist nor yet a theist but he himself....

No doubt this is the final Truth, but then we cannot talk much about it nor yet we can keep silent. Moreover, what we are really doing here is trying to understand how the things work WITH and IN that Truth and how our own working/evolution fits into it. I would say just as sex is natural to follow love, similarly, understanding logically how the things work and then telling it to the world is natural to follow after our experience of oneness.

Dear DK,

You are welcome. Everyone might also want to read this about Satyendra Nath Bose.

www.calcuttaweb.com/people/snbose.shtml
or click my name.

This part stands out.

Once the great scientist, Niels Bohr, was delivering a lecture. Bose presided. At one stage the lecturer had some difficulty in explaining a point. He had been writing on the blackboard; he stopped and, turning to Bose, said, "Can Professor Bose help me?" All the while Satyendranath had been sitting with his eyes shut. The audience could not help smiling at Professor Bohr's words. But to their great surprise, Bose opened his eyes; in an instant he solved the lecturer's difficulty. Then he sat down and once again closed his eyes!

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Perhaps if our minds are in such a state as that of Bose, we will find what we are looking for with HQR. Perhaps we will better understand the clues provided. But note his solution came from the inward not the outward. Isn't it the inward that produces the outward?

Dear Bonnie:
#5: "I haven't a clue what zero point energy means, but I have always thought that one should always try to maintain positive energy(Wholesome Energy)(Life enhancing energy)and avoid that which is not positive(UnWholesome energy)(Life weakening energy)"
#17: "It "appears" to me the overriding theme in all these conversations is Energy. Einstein was about energy, Spirituality is about energy and promoting the theme of Everlasting Life as taught by Jesus and staying in that positive energy. Global Warming is about energy, Peak Oil is about Energy. We are about energy and how we dance with it."

The zero-point energy signifies that state of the universe wherein all mass or matter has transformed to and exists as pure energy. The zero here refers to zero mass but all energy. Such a state of the universe is timeless (clock stopped) with no birth, death, or evolution, representing pure eternity and omnipresence (fully dilated space and time). This state is pure consciousness or the kinetic energy of the extreme kind, similar to the Godly state but without a personality given by religion.

You are very correct in that it is all about energy when we need to understand the ultimate reality or the universal truth, both in science and spirituality.

The very unfortunate thing is that "Dark Energy" is a term or definition misused by the materialistic science in calling what cannot be measured by the materialistic scientific instruments as "Dark". Hence, Dark Energy does not mean Evil or bad energy but mysterious (to materialistic science) or immeasurable.

Love
Avtar

Dear Avtar

Thank you! My misunderstanding is, then, one of the intellect and merely semantics. I think we are on the same page though.

Is 0 same as 0.0 ?

Love
Bonnie

I respect all the efforts from everyone working on this project.
I know everyone has thier way of working things out.
Maybe I am just too impatient.
I just think this is leading us back to the place we were before we started trying to figure everything out.
The answers and unification you seek are already there, they have been given to everybody in every language for as long as we can remember.
It is only my opinion and judgement that trying to understand and explain and unifiy that which is already there takes us further away from it.
In my opinion, if you want the world to know about oneness you just be it. When you try to explain it you start losing the peoples attention. It's too complex or too difficult to obtain. This keeps a dysfuntional self serving cycle going.
The poeple lose intrest the explainers work harder to find more explanations.
People have to find thier own explanations to the mysteries of the universe, we can share our experiences and let them make thier own judgements.

I think of Jesus and how frustrated he was with the religious elite. He said they stood in the doorway so that the people could not get in.

I love science and I find great beauty in all religious faiths and spirituality is a blessed mystery. But they are only mist of reality.
We are only a breath of the universe.

derek

Dark energy might perhaps be a source of "undirected" energy? When energy is undirected, it acts with abandoned desperation...until it is "grounded."

The universe is so crammed with global noise. Every noise, every sigh uttered on earth, is stored in space for all eternity! We are surrounded by so much unused energy, that we become in essence; victim, to it's misdirected course, and source of universal, eternal power.

How do a few billion people; fight, or attempt to merge; with such stacked-against-us... odds?

........they are only the mist of reality.

derek

Energy moves. Possibility it moves in circles. Maybe we are supposed to go back to where we started.

There's also relevance to one, in what one has discarded as irrelevant.

Peace

Dear DK and fellow commentators,

Firstly I apologise if I am about to pose questions previously considered, I admit to jumping in without having read and digested all the archives, so I ask for your tolerance.

I have a number of "what if" questions to ask:

1) We tend to assume that time is a vector quantity, having both size and direction. What if it is only scalar, having only size, and no direction? "Speed" is a scalar quantity having only size (e.g. mph), velocity is a vector quantity representing speed in a certain direction.

2) What if time is non-linear but actually cyclic? It loops back on itself so that the end is joined back to the beginning?

3) What if Creation started because the Consciousness that is God observed the Quantum Wave Function of the Quantum Event known as Big Bang, thus collapsing it, and making it real?

4) What if in doing so, that Consciousness became so entwined with the new reality that it became part of that reality, spread through out it in each and every part. (that would make the reality a holographic representation of that Consciousness)

5) What if the Will of that Consciousness was to become One again, and imbued that in everything of which it was a part? i.e. the whole of the Universe?

6) What if as time progressed species of existence arose that were governed not only by the Physical laws of Nature, but also more directly by the Will of that Consciousness to exhibit Love, Compassion and Tolerance to themselves and thereby the Whole, and thus facilitate its return to Oneness?

7) What if at the End of Time, that Oneness was achieved, and being Whole again, that Consciousness was able to look at the Start of Time (which is One with End Of time), and thus observe itself? And thus remove the question "From whence did It come?"

The fact that there are seven questions, was not planned by me. But it makes me smile.

The questions have arisen from me trying to understand Quantum Theory, and specifically to answer the question "Who/what observed Big Bang to make it real?"

But I am aware that the suggested answers seem to resonate with a number of major belief systems, such as Christianity, Buddhism, Kabbalah, Jainism, etc once you remove the symbols and the rituals from those "religions".

Dear DK,
Welcome back. I cannot believe I missed this post for one whole day. Looks like HQR is not only resurrected but resurrected with new vigor. This IS great news.

Dear DK and friends
Happy Easter to all.

Dear DK, and fellow Intentbloggers!

Reading Anthony Whitehouse’s above article I honestly wonder what it will be that still needs to be added to my “Mosc* theory of evolution through four basic forces or interactions” as contained in my book Self-Designed Universe, to make it the Unified theory of his dreams. To me, this theory stands true to every parameter set up by him.

Below I am juxtaposing what he expects of the Unified theory and what Mosc theory says in this connection. To make the presentation a bit further intelligible I will also give comments wherever I felt like.

Anthony Whitehouse: The way to begin to understand unifying theory is to realise there has to be but one creation and one creator.

Mosc Theory: Mosc Theory actually begins from, explains everything in terms of, and ends with Mosc (see below). So it obviously stands true to the above realization of one creator Mosc and one creation obviously again all-encompassing though ever-changing Mosc.

A.W: Within the framework of the spirit and consciousness of this One creator all must be in harmony; all must be in accord with the integrity of the concepts the One creator has propounded. Like a great musical symphony, creation flows, expands and expresses itself along one continuing line of harmony, sheer majesty, beauty and exquisite unfoldment.Nothing can be outside this conceptual framework, nothing can be unlike it. All must be bound by its laws and tenets. The One creator must define all things and nothing can really find definition outside this Oneness.

Mosc Theory: Absolutely true in case of Mosc Theory as well. Everything begins from Mosc,, conforms to its laws while flowing, expanding and expressing itself and ultimately vanishes into it. Nothing can be outside of it. Just read its following five point main explanation.

1.That at some deepest, at some ground level of All There Is , there is an all-inclusive, self-sufficient and ultimately indescribable in all its subtleties, state or situation of Oneness in the form of what we would call Matter of spiritual category or simply Mosc . (The religious people may even call that a state or situation of omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscience.)

2.That this state or situation of Oneness is broken when Mosc produces from itself to what we would call Matter of virtual category or simply Movc , and gets in the process progressively entangled or wound up into a topsy-turvy – obviously also virtual - network of four basic forces, that is to say in the order of entanglement, into a virtual network of weak, strong, electromagnetic and finally gravitational forces .

3.That the whole edifice of evolution, the whole flow of evolution as it were, then comprises the efforts on the part of Mosc to regain that original state of Oneness. But which is now possible only if this primeval, irrepressible, immensely potent force of Mosc disentangles itself - or gets itself unwound - from those four forces completely.

4.That, this in turn is now possible in the ‘outwards’ or ‘actualwards’ direction only so as to say: that this in turn is now possible only if Mosc actualizes its virtual entanglement into those four forces by converting the virtual entanglement into the actual and experiencing it: that this in turn is now possible only if, like we create or rather throw our dream world ‘out into the open’ to experience our virtual (latent) desires so as finally to get rid of them, Mosc creates or rather throws our ordinary world ‘out into the open,’ step-by-step or force-by-force or species-by-species to experience its virtual entanglement into those four forces so as finally to get rid of them.

5.That, this would naturally require that a continuous, creative and corresponding dialogue goes on between that topsy-turvy, virtual world and our ordinary ‘straight’ world during the process, such that when finally complete correspondence between them is reached, both the worlds annihilate themselves – supersymmetrize themselves to death, to borrow the words from Paul Davies - and Mosc is once again set free; Mosc in ‘seeing’ through everything, through both the worlds, see only itself and thus regains its original state of Oneness, of infinite, supersymmetric attributes.

Comment: Topsy-turvy network is the world of One Mind Anthony Whitehouse talks about a little later. Our physical universe is its One Body and Mosc is its what we may call One Soul here.

A.W: However, at this point humankind and physical scientists step in to observe, quite rightly, that to human sense this utopian ideal is apparently not pervasive. That is to say there are vast areas of experience and phenomena where there is apparent chaos and unconformity. There is no discernable logic or omnipotence at work.

Mosc Theory: Even why it is so is explained by the Mosc theory, for, a Unified theory must explain everything. It is so because humankind is now in the phase of strong forces or interactions, the interactions of confinement and intellect, which confines its cutting-edge thinkers to narrow boxes of individual specialisations at the cost of seeing the wholesome picture, which thanks to the coming weak interactions phase of openness will be obvious to most.

A.W: As I see it there is only one way to get over these paradoxes and rediscover the thread which does in fact bind the whole of creation together, and that is to never step outside the conceptual framework of having just one creator, one creation and one mind.

Mosc Theory: Considering the definition of Mosc as given in the form of a footnote below, Mosc Theory just cannot nor allow anybody to step outside the conceptual framework of itself (Oneness). All we need is its proper understanding. In fact, according to it, our apparent separation too is only a phenomenon within it and hence a misunderstanding born out of confining strong forces or intellect/mind/ego. A whirlpool in a flowing river is really not separate from it though it may appear to be so. According to Nobel physicist Prigogine’s theory of dissipative structures we are really like such whirlpools in the great flow of the universe’s evolutionary scheme of things.

A.W: It is clear that the moment we do, we have to cope with a sense of feeling “lost”. We have to cope with an apparent need to try and understand things rather than remaining at the standpoint of understanding which is inherent in “Oneness”. When we realise that the word “lost” involves a sense of separation we begin to understand that the so called “ Big Bang “ must have occurred at the moment that a mythical proposition of estrangement was offered to thought; the myth that there was room for a conceptual standpoint outside oneness and wholeness. In reality this standpoint cannot really exist. It can only exist as a purely conjectural hypothesis but it can never be more than this. What can exist outside oneness and wholeness? So for the “unifying theory” to be discernable it is clear that we have to experience the oneness and integrity of all things. This involves never allowing for the existence of more than One mind, one creation and an all pervading sense of present perfection. It involves never allowing conscious thought to accept we have existence outside of this all embracing majesty. Unfortunately it is all too easy to fall into the trap of thinking we have a private mind, which we don’t. It takes a huge amount of discipline and humility to remain in the orbit on “Oneness.”

Mosc Theory: Separating and uniting are the two main pillars of the cosmic game of life on which it manifests its flow eternally. If it were not so, if there was no separation before, even we will not be here to realize it. So all is in the game. Like love or sex you cannot enjoy it if you were not first separate. Nor you can remain one after these acts. The same story at greater levels plays itself again and again. The knowing principle and the extended principle must unite and annihilate, annihilate and split, split and unite forever for the cosmic game to go on eternally. Yes, when the time has come to re-enter the phase of oneness, surrender is one of the options. The other is to enquire “Who am I?” But sheer discipline and humility would not do if the time has yet not come.

A.W: Physical scientists will find fault with this approach in that it will not tie up all their loose ends at once. It will not allow them to immediately understand, for example, the mechanism which generates hydrogen fusion to a point where they will be able to harness it for domestic electricity production. Nonetheless what does happen by remaining in the conceptual framework of oneness I have described is that “Oneness” both defines itself and its creation. And this is the way it should be. The sense of feeling lost would creep in if discovery and definition was a function of our own capacities rather than something that naturally occurs because one remains with the “awareness” that there is only one mind. This “one” must always be present to reveal and define itself and its creation. It should be a great relief to any scientist to know he does not have to define a particular phenomenon or mechanism. It has to define itself.

Mosc Theory: I am sure my Mosc theory will help physical scientists eventually tie up many of their loose ends. It will at least provide them with a philosophical/conceptual framework with the help of which they can remain aware of the underlying oneness, one scheme of things and the harmony of flow of things.

A.W: It is important we understand this notion that the “One” creation must define itself. The reason we have to accept this rationale is quite simply the one creation is in fact infinite. No amount of effort by humanity to contain creation in a static framework will ever be possible. Irrespective of what we perceive to be a particular state of affairs, the infinite nature of creation means that a completely new outcome is available as an option at any point in time. This of course will drive physical scientists wild but it is something that they have already seen. Newtonian physics has had to give way to Einstein’s theory of Relativity for example.

Mosc Theory: There is method in nature’s apparent madness. Beginning from One, everything flows/displays itself according to four basic forces or interactions, and finally merges again into One. For a particular cycle of science, things began from inertia with Galileo Galilee, entered gravitational interactions phase with Newton’s physics, electromagnetic interactions phase with Faraday and Maxwell’s, strong interactions phase with Max Plank, N. Bohr and Einstein, and are now going even beyond them. Via weak interaction, in which science sort of will merge into spirituality, things will once again merge into One, at least so for as science as a system is concerned.

A.W: In the end, the unifying theory can be defined as follows: “Creation is the product of One Creator who defines both Himself and His creation”. We don’t have to define this creation and neither do we have the capacity to do so. Our job is to never step foot outside the Eden of Oneness otherwise we will be like characters in novel with no author. There will be no one overall guiding principle to give us meaning and reason.

Mosc Theory :If we can talk of Oneness, it means some of us must have realized it. If some of us must have realized it, it means some of us must have had a glimpse of the understanding of creation at least to the extent to which we can talk about it. It is true that beyond it we cannot go in defining creation. But at the same time nor can we then be said to have the capacity to step outside the Eden of Oneness even if we try. We are right on the right course and are always so. Whatever we are doing now is necessary to go wherever we are supposed to go by the One or One’s Scheme of Things. We must see perfection all around if we really understand the perfect game of life of the perfect One.
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* Explained as “Matter of supersymmetric category for scientists, Matter of spiritual category for spiritualists, and Matter of substantial category for philosophers”, cumulatively only another name for Oneness.

Thanks, Harb

Dear Harb,

You write:
"Mosc Theory :If we can talk of Oneness, it means some of us must have realized it. If some of us must have realized it, it means some of us must have had a glimpse of the understanding of creation at least to the extent to which we can talk about it."

So true and here my latest insight in my experience of oneness and the paradox of entanglement and disentanglement and how to rise above:

There is an inner place, where this trinity resides in perfect order, at the time when the soul is at unified level, i.e. in a steady state. I experienced this with a group of women, after weeks of intense communication with each other, where we finally found the answers at the very core of our being.
But such a steady state will always be disturbed in one way or another because, i believe this is the nature of all things.
As per my inner vision, the way i experienced it, floating above the duality i noticed some coloured balls, interacting with each other, uniting in some sort of way and then suddenly a small dot bursting out in a myriad of colours (Big Bang), a coloured curtain surrounded by an all encompassing love or compassion.
Reading about the visica pisces and the Flower of Life i can now see it as Big Bang entangling itself into that flower, blossoming, struggling, and in the end, disentangling again towards the unified level.
It much resembles your theory. It can be found in nature with it's four seasons entangled in sunshine, wind, rain, ice, disentangling when one season flows over in another and then get entangled again.
This to me is the same in the life of a human being. The flower of life is the eternal struggle and blossoming of the two worlds (male and female, divine masculin and divine feminine). The disorder and order constantly vary, like the alternating current, or waves and particles, the unifying principle being G.O.D., which to me means: Gives Order Dynamically.
It is the inner struggle (entanglement) of a human being and, when understood, can give the wisdom of disentanglement as a state of floating above this duality.
The experience of the encompassing compassion principle (love) has always helped me to overcome every kind of challenge in my life. And as this is my innermost experience i cannot but know that it exists.
Of course, in my case, practicing Hatha Yoga for already more than 30 years has only taken care of the fact that this one experience has always stayed in the background of all my experiences as a comforting and nourishing force.
To me it is the inner freedom Krishnamurti has been talking about in one of his books. In fact it is the only book i have read from him that said it all.

With love, Mieke

Dear Mieke and friends,

I agree, that inner strength to overcome the obstacles
we face, or the drama we find ourselves 'caught up in',
is the practical application that spirituality has to offer the masses.

Building your home on a firm foundation is wise.
We might say one should construct their inner residences
upon (the)solid rock as opposed to the shifting sands of time.

Each time we find ourselves relying on this inner strength
and achieving the intention so desired, we strengthen our faith.

I remember the first time I ever tried to steer a canoe with another person.
The current on the picturesque Niobrara River is
roughly 5 m.p.h.
excepting for a few places that produce mild rapids.
30 seconds into the trip we were already facing and floating backwards.

It was quite hilarious! Nonetheless, it is a little lesson
about the effort and practice required to do this,

"Go with flow while retaining a sense of control."

The fact that the water droplets in the river
have no problem whatsoever with control issues,
brings to light another fact...

Once you dump your boat you find that(thank God)
the river is only 3 feet deep and you never really
had anything to worry about in the first place.

Dear Keith,

Thanks for sharing that experience :)

You said it all.

I guess that is what Derek means, we can only share our experiences and everyone is able to find his/her own truth for oneself and then comes to that one conclusion:

Peace comes from peace :)

And as Harb says: "Live and let live" :)

Thanks Derek

Dear Mr Anthony Whitehouse,

I see with interest your latest endevour into the ministry and you distinguished career. I would like your comments on your dealings with Isdale Holdings BV and the Nash family in South Africa and London,In view of current legislation in South Africa on money laundering I look forward to your comments. Neville Perrins

Dear Mr Anthony Whitehouse,

I see with interest your latest endevour into the ministry and you distinguished career. I would like your comments on your dealings with Isdale Holdings BV and the Nash family in South Africa and London,In view of current legislation in South Africa on money laundering I look forward to your comments. Neville Perrins

Dear Mr Anthony Whitehouse,

I see with interest your latest endevour into the ministry and you distinguished career. I would like your comments on your dealings with Isdale Holdings BV and the Nash family in South Africa and London,In view of current legislation in South Africa on money laundering I look forward to your comments. Neville Perrins