Hello Everyone:

Welcome to a new day and a new thread, hopefully, it will be fun!

Heather, thank you!

Global Warming is not as big an issue as the worlds dependancy on oil being a threat to global stability, fueling terrorism and threatening the future of humanity. Perhaps even leading to WWIII.

The fact that eliminating the biggest threat to the world also helps eliminate the global warming threat and or climate chaos, if it exists or not is simply a fringe benefit.

CALLING ALL ENERGY HEALERS!

People who have realized that intention from a place of pure intelligent love transforms the world with more power than anything in the physical dimension, people who are actively manifesting healing through energy work - we need to get together!

It doesn't matter what tradition/school/technique you come from, everyone is needed. There is a place on the net where we can meet to build a harmonized wave of healing - there is now a group called HEAL THE PLANET, you will find it within The Alliance for a New Humanity on:

www.thealliancenetwork.org
You are also very welcome to mail me at healtheplanet@auroracarlson.com

Know that the Alliance is a gathering of conscious people from all over the world, working in their respective domains of talent and interest. I am now calling those among us who are drawn to work in the subtle realm.

We have the tools, we understand the workings, we need to make it happen. It WANTS to happen NOW. Join us and let everyone else know!

Dear Heather,

You are so dependable and I really am glad you're still here.
I just love the way you described OT from a year
ago.

This Merry Martyr occasionally attempts to drum up business.
The sacrifice I make is merely name-dropping.
I continue to encourage newcomers here and there to check us out.
I don't believe I've had much luck. How to make this blog
so exciting and enticing that folks beg to join in...
apparently I don't know. More red and blue colors, perhaps?

Could Mallika pipe in some background music?
Something with which to calm and relax tattered nerves?
Maybe we need to offer a free product.

.

"Enhance and inflate your EGO here-with no money down!"

"We will make your EGO soooo big that people can't help but to step on it!"

"We offer V--gra-like substitutes to harden your shell."

"If your BIG EGO lasts more than four hours, please see a doctor."

Aurora,

I do not believe that anything wants to happen,

Nothing that occurs naturally ever wants to happen. Most of the time you can not even make it happen.

Things throughout the Universe occur simply because they are one possibility in a field of endless potential.

People think that some of the most horrid things in history are some how inevitable and were destined to happen. That is complete nonsense. Even the birth of Jesus, or Mohammad, or Buddha was not necessary. These people are just a possibility that came forth from the field of endless potential.

This field of endless potential is sometimes called God. If you look at God and Look at the events that are occurring around you all of the time. Then you will see that there is not set pattern to it or any deliberateness to any of it. God as the source of creation does not make informed decisions about any single thing. It is just the endless potential of anything.

So for me, Nothing is ever wanting to Happen, In Fact nothing even needs to happen. Things do happen but not always for a reason or for a need. They come about like a wave rolling in off the sea and hitting the shore. Why did the wave crash on the shore?.... because it can.

Love

Simon x x

I heard a great Riddle the other day. See if any of you guys can get it.....

It goes like this

What Do The every day man and woman
Meet every day, Kings and Queens
Seldom Meet and God can Never Meet?

Simon xx

Goodmorning Everyone,

Yesterday President Doofus spoke about Iraq and in his speech he mentioned, Al Qaeda in Iraq, 95 times in 29 minutes, roughly, every 18.32 Seconds. Al Qaeda in Iraq, Al Qaeda in Iraq.

I think I have solved the verbal, communication problem that President Doofus suffers from, it has not been easy to diagnose, but it appears he suffers from what is called the "bird brain" snydrome. Yes, President Doofus has a birds brain..So, when it comes to things like "polly want a cracker" "Al Qaeda in Iraq," like a parrot President Doofus is up for the call, he can chirp like a little birdie! "Polly want a cracker", "Al Qaeda in Iraq" and here we thought he had no brain at all..silly us.

In all seriousness the President coming out yesterday and speaking about Iraq, in this, truly, astonishing way, is very troubling, because you have to wonder about the men and women who are feeding him his lines. The fact that Al Qaeda is in Iraq because of President Doofus and Vice President DingDong apparently doesn't cross their minds, the fact the Al Qaeda is so successful in Iraq because of their political and military strategies, simply, is not cause for their reflection or concern. His mentioning this 95 times in his speech gave everyone, but him and his Administration, pause to think, "Yes, President Doofus, we know.. Al Qaeda is in Iraq, NOW, because you OPENED the G--Dam door, Doofus! Now, please take this package of crackers and share them with DingDong and be quite until January 2009.

have a great day everyone, ruth

Dear Simon,

there is a field of potentiality from where creation happens through choice. You and me are creators, or choicemakers. Conscious- if we know it, unconscious- if we don't. Creativity is the desire of the universe to be born, and the intelligence inherent in this creation is pointing toward increased awareness of itself. When we align ourselves with that desire, we know when something wants to happen, we simply feel the impulse to create :) Not everyone will give birth to the same things, though.

Ruth,

Well done!

Rgds.

Thanks Ron, but I must give credit where credit is due..and that is to President Doofus and Vice President DingDong..they are truly inspiring.

I wanted to add to the above..Now please take these crackers and be quite until January 2009 while we try to clean up all the bird droppings you two have left all over Iraq and the USofA!

have a great day, everyone, ruth

Skep, just like that.

Ron, you're welcome.

Keith, I appreciate your softly edgy presence, always. Your ideas about color changes and things to drum up participation are good -- perhaps, write to Mallika.

cheers & love to all, Heath
(back to the quiet zone, unless a conversation starts about changing IB's interface to increase audience participation.)

Aurora
I play around a lot here, but this is something I do take serious.

I do feel this energy building. I have felt it for a while. There are very subtle energies that are very powerful.
My sensitivity to it came through my artistic process. As I work I go into that createive mode. No time exists, no physical attachment, yet hyper aware. There is an overwhelming sense of everything.
It is not just a mental place I can feel it like oil in the air, but it is electrified.
Also when I touch people who are open to body work this same energy becomes strong to the point that I am drawn to certain areas on thier body. I have had some intense experiences with people.

This energy to me is the essance of the collective experiences and energy of everything, everything that has ever been. Even before our tiny planet came along.
People have tried to lable it for as long as we've had the concept to lable things.
Once experienced, this energy is undeniable.
It is what I use to create art.
I believe it is what we all use to co-create our current conditions.
That mysterious, illusive stuff that noone can put their finger on but that surrounds us all, all of the time.

More people are becoming sensitive to this energy again, even with all the noise of our current life style.

This healing, creative energy is getting stronger. We all contribute to it in one way or another.

Yo, I didn't mean to get so long handed, but regardless of the argueing and disagreements that go on here, and my playing around, this creative energy is one of the few things that I am not irreverant about, and this is a good place to discuss it.

It is through this energy that we are connected and through this energy that we are already creating our future.

peace

derek

Hey, the God Chosen Boy King George II informs us that the same people that flew the planes into the WTC are now fighting us in Iraq.

Look, that means the 19 hijackers are still alive. In other words, it's an absurd statement. The people that flew the planes into the building are dead, but Dumbo needs their ghosts to scare us some more, so he ignores that.

But it also has a more sinister aspect. It means that he must be aware of of the large number of Saudi fighters supporting their Sunni brothers in Iraq and shooting at American soldiers.

Once again, because the Family of Saud is the Family of Bush's partners in oil, we are asked to deny the reality that Saudis are shooting at and killing Americans.

How come no one calls him to the carpet for that?

I see it as similar to Bush's other recent gaff where he unintentionally confirmed his involvement in the 9-11 attacks by saying: "The people who brought you the War in Iraq are the same people who brought you the attacks on September 11th."

Now THAT'S an awfully revealing thing to say...because we know exactly who brought us the war in Iraq, don't we?

As for who brought us the 9-11 attacks, lets see...King George has blocked and stalled that investigation, not to mention most of the evidence was destroyed when WTC7 collapsed for no reason (since it had minor fires and no plane impact, and after Rudy G told everyone they were going to "pull it"), cleared away all the evidence at the scene with no investigation, denied health benefits to the 9-11 workers and volunteers who got lung cancers from working that day, and classified as much remaining evidence as possible, and to this day continues to block, stall, and defuse any action by the families of the 9-11 victims to get social justice.

So I think he's right - the same people brought us all our current miseries. They work in the White House and some of them live there too. That's the people he's really talking about.

Well according to the Mayan Calendar today is “no day”, the 5th day of (5 days of) purification., which is why I probably found myself unexpectedly taken to the Jewel Heart (Google it) yesterday for realignment after hitting a bunch of pot holes in the road of life.

I have had a change of mind and I think the universe is pointing to here, for the Shambhala Sanctuary & School for Advanced Being, mandatory for all future heads of state. We have several possible tenet organizations already present here. Of course I am not orchestrating all this something else is.

That and this appears to be one of the best places to be during the climate chaos, and probably the hub for rebuilding humanity afterwards, we certainly have the manufacturing capability, resources and some really good universities.

Last place you want to be is Texas, California, Florida, or New York or anywhere along the coastline.

So Yogi, President Bush is dumb, sinister and a grand conspirator. Wow!

So Yogi who really murdered JFK?

and please tell us more about the secret meeting between Ike and the little green alien people?

Just wondering,

Regards and have a good Seafair my friend :)

Steve

Bush isn't really a bad guy, he does what he thinks is right, it's his circle of influence that misleads him.

derek

I, too, feel this energy change, but right now I am having a difficult time expressing my thoughts on the subject. So am just going into the silence.

Love and Peace to All

bonnie

oh yeah...

if bushman is not a bad guy and hes is misled by those around him, what does that make him?

1...a puppet?

2...a kite?

3...a dumbo?

4...or all of the above!

damn!

Dear Derek,
I've never heard it expressed so beautifully. I am glad that you have taken the time. Thank you.

Dear Aurora

I now understand your laughter and joy more deeply than I did before. Thank you for sharing elsewhere.

love, Heath

I agree with D. the "buck stops here" (ok Diablo which president made that statement and no fair cheating?

You can't blame Bush's inner circle for his actions good or bad. He is not a victim, he made his choices and dicisions. Just like Clinton did when he decided not to pull the trigger to kill Osama when he had him in the cross hairs. Could have been a different history eh?

But Ruthie believes that it will be cleaned up in 2009. Everything will be back to normal. Can't wait for that magic moment, when perhaps Prez Obama will fly over to Iran to embrace perhaps kiss on both cheeks his new best friend Ahmadinejad and discuss the "Israel and US" problem over some almost extinct Baluga cavier. What the hell, you only live once! Right Ruthie?

dude...i think bushman is a real nutcase! the guy is a big embarassment...look he only has three loyal amigos left and maybe they ...too...are just as nutso as he...damn!

amber...i looked it up!

"The sign "The Buck Stops Here" that was on President Truman's desk in his White House office was made in the Federal Reformatory at El Reno, Oklahoma. Fred M. Canfil, then United States Marshal for the Western District of Missouri and a friend of Mr. Truman, saw a similar sign while visiting the Reformatory and asked the Warden if a sign like it could be made for President Truman. The sign was made and mailed to the President on October 2, 1945."

"Could have been a different history eh?" wonders amber...

not necessarily, dude...some other bozo would have replaced him and carry out their missions...dont u think? damn!

Bonnie
This energy resides in the quiet places. Even as I write about it, it becomes more illusive.

Thank you Aurora
Learning to express myself in words has been a challenge for me. I feel that it is important for me though. It is important in light of the power of the internet and this growth in consciousness. I didn't even know how to type before IB.

Also a thicker skin, but more subtle heart.

As I read Ekhart Tolle, it is a reminder to me of what is already available to everyone at any moment. Awareness of being. which in my case creates great compassion. Sometimes overwhelming compassion. I sometimes feel in these moments I can feel everything. Nothing anyone can say can deminish these experiences.

Yo I'm going on again.

From a sometimes impatient observer

peace plant it
peace plan it
peace planet

Yo

derek

Are we there yet?

Hi friends,

I have been having a nagging feeling of despondency engulf me of late. No, no I didn't flunk in any exam or had a showdown with my reporting officer neither did I have a fight with my friend, so what went wrong? Now-a-days whenever I tune in to watch news or flick through the pages of any news paper I come across instances of rash and reckless behavior of young people. Is India's urban youth turning delinquent? If the answer to this is yes, I think all of us are facing a very grim problem. A problem, which needs immediate attention and reaction from all decent and law-abiding people of the society.

The nadir of the reckless of the youth found its manifestation, in the recent incident in Mumbai (thought till recently as a safe place for women), where 10-year-old Asma was grievously injured in a shocking eve-teasing attempt by a bunch of hooligans driving their car. For details please click here. It seems there is something wrong with the way children are brought up in our society. Parents motivate their children to excel in academic and professional lives, but I think little is done to inculcate the seeds of compassion and respect for human life or may be we think that these values will be inculcated automatically. Whatever may be the reason –( westernization, materialistic society, or rank callousness) , it is time for us to wake up from our deep slumber of apathy and start voicing our concerns. At least we should make all the noise we can to condemn this trend.

Friends, if we can unite and make Taj rank number one in the list of -7 wonders, can't we, all unite and use chain emailing as a means of voicing our concern over the current situation. Let's vote meanness out of our society and make compassion and compassionate youth the " in-thing".
So lets get pro-active by saying a silent prayer to God to preserve the sanity and sensitivity of our society and condemning the perpetuators of this henious crime.

Please forward this mail to all right thinking and compassionate people u know and make a difference.

Read my blog:- http://novathoughtsgalore.blogspot.com/

--
"Sow a thought, and you reap an act; Sow an act, and you reap a habit; Sow a habit, and you reap a character; Sow a character, and you reap a destiny"

regards,
Ispita Saha

Thank you again Heather :)

Derek, I wouldn't call it a thicker skin. A subtle heart is a feeling, open heart. You say it yourself- in those moments you feel everything. But as the only part of us who is possible to hurt is the person, if the person melts away there's no need to protect anything anymore.
Peace planet :) A dream of heaven.

Ispita, that is a great post, good luck with your intention!

Am

Ways to Generate Love

I am free,
like an angel,
and take on many forms

I laugh and I listen
I am never far away
I am never gone at all

I am a friend,
a good book,
or a pink and golden sunset

I am a mothers touch
and a fathers
helping hand

You know me
because
I am you

You are me
through
and through

I am unconditional love
and you
are too!
-John T. Goltz

love It!
:><: Look! there kissing

V

Aurora your right. As I let go of the fear of someone attacking me for sharing here, I am more free to expess myself. This has been my challenge in the past, fear of sharing something very personal only to have it picked apart by someone who has never experienced such things.
This site has been an excellent exercise in deepening my understanding of myself.

Thanks again for your perspective Aurora, it is always welcome.

derek

Yo Heather

Just wanted to say Hi.

Ispita
I have the good fortune of working with gifted children for many years.
My pespective on the youth is very positive.
Actually I find even what seem to be the most "troubled" kids are usually the most gifted and most sensitive ones, and the ones in the most pain. They do need to feel some compassion in thier lives.

derek

says tammy...

"love It!
:><: Look! there kissing."

tammy where would u like to be kissed? damn! whoahahahahahahahahahahaaa.......

:P

Derek,

I am glad you were NOT here a year ago.

When I first started, I found myself startled
at how many times I changed what I thought to be
my intentions, or...my , "What AM I doing here?"

Back then, as well as now, this blog of Mallika's
has been and, hopefully will remain to be, a place
where support and encouragement may be found.

I was fortunate in that a few of the regulars here
reached out to me in the way of conversing...

Yeah, we believe the All and Nature to be impersonal, but that gives us all the more REASON
to get up close and personal with friends from
here and there. And we all speak English, thank God!

I'd love to see some of your artwork.
Do you have a myspace or anything?

Tammy is another one of the newcomers who has decided to stick around.
Ed will hopefully hang out, too.

Never be afraid to stick your neck out.
Say HI! to a newbie and make them feel welcome,
if only because they are..........I believe.

Peace bro!

Hi Everyone,
It has been the soggiest JULY - and I have missed out on some lovely sunsets!

Just now, the sun is streaming through my window, and I will be dashing shortly to catch the splashs of color making a pattern in the sky and on the river.

I have missed IB. I'll come back later this evening to chat!

~ Kate

Thank you Kieth
I too question why I am here and the answer as well as myself is ever changing. I have been very effcted by this site.

I have a web site that I started creating that shows some of my photograpy and a few paintings. It works on Safari and on Macs but not on some PCs. I have a webmaster working on it. He will update it new photos of my glass work and more paintings. Maybe even some of my music. For now it is still under construction.

dazaarts.com

My wife has a Mac website that has one small picture of a piece of glass. In the about us section.

http://web.mac.com/dazaarts/iWeb/Site/About%20Us.html

I also have a music site on myspace. A sample of some raw mixes. I just play with music as a hobby.

myspace.com/thepuzzlemaker

Wow I feel like a real cut and paster.

Anyway there you have it.

I'll have real pictures soon.

peace derek

You might have to have the whole address

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/dazaarts/dzw.homepage.html

Keith

You are very good at making 'newbies' feel welcome. Thank you for being you.

I think we have all asked ourselves that question of "why are we here?" at one time or another. IB can be lots of fun and at times can be agonizing when we must face something we thought we understood about ourselves but didn't.
It is good to see how everyone is growing here.

Oh, and, lest I forget to tell everyone. My garden this year is so amazing. The bees returned this past weekend in huge numbers. Honey bees, bumble bees all sorts of bees. It was truly a sight. So the world is not ending! LOL. I have an incredible photo of bees tumbling over themselves. One of these days I will figure out how to post photos on the net.

Love
bonnie

kate?

Yo Derek!

Thanks for the update! Nice pics you have there!
I left a message on your myspace. Whodduh thunk?

You's a pickin' and a grinnin'! And somedays I miss my guitar. Waaah!

Yodelay-hee-who! Yodelay-he...Yodelay...Yode...Yo..

That is why they picked him Diablo, and you all thought you elected the president?

she is only teasing u dude...she ain't interested in eenis...she can find that anywhere...
whoahahahahahahahahahahaha.........

hey there, Diablo
it seems - I have come too late into the thread, it's 3 a.m. and I was out for a late nite stroll - and it was so refreshing! I've just sliced some watermelon, and it's juicy good mmmm

Just to venture into the fray about Bush & company ... Frankly, this administration's policies - are a disaster. Not to mention the lack of respect other countries have now developed towards Americans, viewing us with disdain.

We should never have invaded Iraq, and I believe Bush & cohorts should be impeached. He should be accountable for taking the information provided by intelligence and skewering it to imply WMD. We owe a HUGE apology to the world for the mess we have created for an unjustifible invasion and the subsequent years we continue to kill and destroy countless men, women, children and a way of life and culture.

That said,
lately I have been sketching in my garden, and trying to capture the majestic look of the Monarch butterfly. What loveliness!

so, Big D - are you having a fantastic night? IT's hot and clear and full of moonglow, and it's perfect for some dancing - Yeah!

love from
~ Kate

The American pull-out of Iraq

The day will inevitably dawn when America will have to pull out of Iraq.

This has been a costly war, far more so than most had ever imagined, a Vietnam all over again. For what purpose more than 3, 000 Americans have to die, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis? Mid-Eastern terrorists (primarily Saudis) murdered 2,900 people on September 11th.

This Administration’s decision to invade Iraq has resulted in the senseless loss of more lives than the terrorists took on that fateful day, while world peace drifts closer to a dangerous precipice.

It was a colossal mistake to invade and even bigger one to remain. Blood is on the hands of this Administration while the Nut remains obsessed with Al Qaeda operating inside Iraq.

Notice, he no longer rants about those dreaded weapons of mass destruction nor does he mention the name of Osama bin Laden? Now that it is clear that those weapons are a phantom, isn’t about time to get the hell out of there? After all, the invasion was not about democracy or whatever made-up reason?

But withdrawal will bring with it a whole set of questions. For example:

1. Who will pay for the massive devastation of Iraq and reconstruction?

2. Who will tend to the vast number of crippled in that country, the orphans, the displaced, the homeless caused by this war, the traumatized et al?

3. What about the soldiers coming home with missing limbs, psychological scars, broken dreams etc?

4. How long will it take to pay off the massive debt incurred?

It is often said that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it! Mankind must learn to live in peace and appreciate the precious gift of life! War must only be waged when all other options have failed!

Peace.

Goodmorning Everyone,

Hello Steve,

Steve, actually, no, I do not think the "bird droppings" left all over Iraq and the USofA will be magically cleaned up in 2009, but the "birds" responsible, Doofus and DingDong, will be sent packing and that should solve the first and dirtiest hurdle this Nation has to jump, the rest will be as it was back in September of 2001, just as big a problem, actually made bigger, just as complicated a problem, actually made more complicated, by the decisions and strategies of the Doofus and DingDong Admin, while having billions of dollars less with which to work with.

Your mentioning Clinton not shooting bin Laden, and Obama kissing the big bad Iranian, tells me that the propaganda perpetuated by this Administration still has one eager feeder and it seems your digestive machine works very well, taking it in and pumping it back out. There are not too many of you left in the group, anymore, most have opened their eyes to the stark nakedness of the Iraq War's huge failures in making the World safer from the terrorists, yes, it is clear it has increased terrorism ten-fold while causing needless suffering to millions of innocent Iraqis, at least, that is what the majority of Americans are facing, today, and hearing, today, when President Doofus speaks the words given him by his script writers, and that is why it is so sad that a man, a President, no less, stoops to making a speech, that parrots "Al Qaeda in Iraq." every 18.32 seconds, 95 times in 29 minutes while trying to "sell" to his fellow citizens a fear, that it seems, all but twenty something percent, KNOW, is a fear his Administration made manifest by their political and miliary strategy.

President Doofus and Vice President Ding Dong need to be quite for the rest or their time in office, they at least owe us that, since the majority of Americans have alread stopped listening, and turn the channel whenever he mentions, "Al Qaeda in Iraq," muttering to themselves, "yea, thanks to you Doofus!"

Steve and everyone, have a great day, ruth

Hello Everyone,

Hi Steve, I just wanted to add one more very important sobering little tidbit that the MAJORITY of the American people are realizing, today, and that is "Al Qaeda is in Iraq," just as President Doofus says they are, but, more importantly, and this little tidbit is the "meat of the matter" and that being that "Al Qaeda is NOW, problably..or, has more of a chance, now, then ever, in recent history, of actually "controlling Iraq." So, not only is Al Qaeda booming in Afganistan and Pakistan but, now, Iraq, is there home away from home..most Americans..have faced this..you might want to, too.

So, no, there will be no magic involved in attempting to straighten out this convoluted mess, just hard work, intelligent minds, and a non-partisan government understanding the importance of mission, but what is for sure, at this point in time, is that...that mission cannot begin until President Doofus and Vice Presdent Ding Dong leave the White HOuse.

have a grea day ruth

Hi there dear Kate,

The Monarch butterfly, ain't it a beauty?

When i was in a butterfly garden not so long ago, saw many of them. There were also many orchids there of different colour, within or near each of them a butterfly that matched. Then i discovered that orchids are butterflies in disguise too :), both so full of symmetry.

Anyway, took many pictures and they inspired me to make calendar out of them.

Great you got inspired too :)

Much love from the heart phone, Mieke

Weather has been quite strange here in northern ontario. Rain, most of June and July; we've had 4 days straight NO rain; but, now it is brutal humid!!

I'll be 51 in two weeks--I am NOT, in life where I'd pictured myself 10 years ago. Sometimes it is difficult to use the ol:"things are as they should be" view... alas, time is neither friend, nor foe; just a passing of experiences.

Mieke's butterfly/flower pics are in a slide-show on myspace.. great photographer Mieke, I loved working with your photo's!!

Steve--keeping your Mom in my daily prayers!!

Hi Ruth and Everyone,

Here's an interesting look at Bush's most recent speech:
www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?t=24815

We need Steve around here. He's a smart guy, and he has his beliefs and he has the guts to stay with the unpopular viewpoint around here and discuss it out with us. I think that's a good thing. He may be kind of a loner on this page, but in fact, there are still a significant number of people who are still buying the "Terrorism as Bogey-man" propaganda, even if they have come to realize that the President is not doing a good job.

I'm almost tired of talking politics, but it seems to be being pushed in everyone's face these days, sooo... to address Steve's reply to me yesterday:

1. I don't know who killed Kennedy, but I'm willing to bet it wasn't a single lone assassin. Kennedy had just pissed off too many powerful people, some of whom were known mobsters. So the jury is out for me.

2. More importantly, who killed Kennedy is off-topic. We're talking about Bush and his war here, 40 years later.

3. My belief about Bush is that he is not smart enough to be the grand conspirator (Cheney and his special legal counsel, David Addington probably hold that post), but he is smart enough to be involved in the conspiracy. Bush is a front man- his job is to stand in front of the door while his buddies clean out the house. He isn't the mastermind - but he has just enough intelligence to play along and he's willing to be the public face.

4. The conspiracy is no big secret. It's called the Project for a New American Century. It is a vision for the USA in which we dominate the world through a combination of economic power based on controlling the world's major oil resources, and military power to quell uprisings against us.

5. The other part of the conspiracy is the Neocons' goal of a permanent majority in Congress and permanent control over who occupies the White House. The plan was to so dominate Congress as to completely disempower any political opposition. That sort of fell apart, but the they were close to realizing it during Bush's first term.

6. The project for a new American Century (PNAC), written in the early 90s, states within it that a new "Pearl Harbor" would provide a good pretext for instituting the kind of executive political power that the Neocons envisoned for the President and VP.

7. There is a lot of evidence that the collapse of the WTC buildings was not due solely to the planes impacts. Richard and I have repeatedly posted up links to the documentaries that explore this issue. You should watch them. It's very enlightening to hear what the world's leading expert's in building demolition have to say after analyzing the films of the building's collapses. Skyscapers don't just collapse. There's one in France that was very similar to WTC7 that suffered a major blaze, fare bigger than the fires the planes caused on 9-11. It burned for six days, and it did not collapse. Regular fires or even gasoline fueled fires are not hot enough to melt the steel frames of a skyscraper. There was another skyscraper whose foundations did break. It kind of lurched over sideways and burned for awhile. It didn't collapse due to fire, and if it had, an uncontrolled collapse would have flopped the building over sideways, not straight down into its own footprint. In fact, there has NEVER been any documentation of a building collapsing into its own footprint for any other reason than a planned demolition. It simply doesn't happen. An unplanned collapse is a very disorderly affair. The collapse of the towers, by contrast, was a nearly perfect implosion. This is all in those links we posted. please entertain yourself with them.

Then there's the Oklahoma city bombing. If any building should have collapsed because of a terrorist attack, it should have been the Oklahoma City building. But it too stayed standing in spite of an explosion, that compared to the size of the building, was far more devastating than the plane impacts in the towers.

On a related note, I have also seen a video of Bin Laden's response to seeing the towers collapse. He was surprised they collapsed. He may have known of the plot to plow the planes into the buildings, but their actual collapse was a total surprise to him. He had no prior idea that the buildings would collapse like that.

8. There's historical precedent for that kind of activity, namely, Hitler's plot to set the Reichstag on fire after he was elected in Germany. He successfully blamed it on the big "Bogey Man" of his time ("Communists") and parlayed it into a major rallying of patriotic fervor in his support, which in turn enabled him to get draconian laws passed that helped him to suppress political enemies at will, within the law.

9. It's quite possible that the Neocons, and in particular, Cheney and Addington, have studied Hitler in depth. Preston Bush was a business partner to Hitler during the rise to Germany, and Hitler actually accomplished many of the same goals of the PNAC, in terms of consolidating political power and manipulating the public with propaganda. To this day, Hitler's propaganda machine is the gold standard. Anyone wishing to use propaganda to achieve power studies Hitler because he pulled it off. There's still a lot of people out there that think that Hitler had it right, but that he just got batty and made some dumb mistakes that caught up with him. I suspect the Cheney/Addington team is among those people. In fact a similar argument could be made against the Neocons - they almost pulled it off but made stupid mistakes along the way that are now coming back to bite them.

This is all to say that I think terrorism is a problem. But put it in perspective. less Americans are killed due to terrorism than are killed by lightning or shark attacks.

And the Bush administration is not actually doing what would be effective to fight terrorism. Instead they are seizing upon the fear it can generate in the public as a propaganda tool to manipulate the public into allowing the White house to achieve supreme unitary control over the government and disable the Constitutional checks and balances.

The one piece that they seem to have not botched is control of the press. Even after their war backfires on them, even after the public is weary and suspicious of them, even after repeated violations of the constitution, of international law, and of just plain criminal law, the press is still tightly controlled by them and bleats out their propaganda, and refuses to follow up on any investigations, other than to present us with hired propagandists to defend them in the media.

damn...

the big guns are firing on all cylinders...

hi kate...

sorry for the late response...it was a busy nite at the Ranch of Love and a late nite too...D..

How do I apply for a job? with the ANH

Love

V

Dearest North,

Just wait till you read my poem to your upcoming birthday, but am not revealing a thing lol

Thanks for mentioning my pictures here, am happy they gave you inspiration too. Perhaps Kate can make a digital picture of her butterfly art and send it to you :)

Much love from the heart phone, Mieke

Hmmmmm "The love ranch", WOW WEE sounds like YOUR having the REAL fun there big D! salutations to the rodeo fans...

V

Hello Everyone,

Yogi-One just checked out the site. That was incredible...maybe it is some kind of code to operatives somewhere "out in the field." Kind of like in WWII when the resistence received messages from radio programs..otherwise..for someone, anyone, to have written such a blatant piece of hog-wash for this President to parrot is just plain mind boggling, it is like they really do not care what they say or how they say it becuase they know that no-one is really listening..just those "operatives" apparently.Haha

btw...you say there is plenty of evidence that the WTC buildings could not have come down by the impact of the planes alone, well, there is also plenty of evidence that they could and apparently did. Although, for those of you convinced of the conspiracy I am sure not much could alter your perspective.

have a great evening, ruth

Tnx Mieke, I'd love to see Kates butterfly graphics!! : ) And looking forward to reading your birthday poem to me(big smile!)

Well, had to let folks know/see your photos Mieke; they look soOo professional, moreso without my digital magic... : )

Luv,
North

Butterflies and ladies, flowers and gentlemen...

Nice pics, comma lady, and a Wowser of a site, North!

The insects are nice and all,

but I'd rather see in totality

Princess Kate's majestic garden!

Thanks Keith; creating this site, has lifted my spirits from depths of "who am I" despair; I see ME< in every piece of artwork I've created!!

Looking for an awesome pic of Deepak; so I can create a fanart of him too.... oOoh gooogle.... lol

Wishing you happiness always, all ways, Keith!(hugs)

Steve.. still got you and your Mom in my daily prayers... may you all sense the feeling of warmth and hope I send via them...

Luv,
North

says ruth...to yogi...

"btw...you say there is plenty of evidence that the WTC buildings could not have come down by the impact of the planes alone,

well, there is also plenty of evidence that they could and apparently did...."

well ruth...may i ask u .to produce the evidence...am with the yogi on this one! damn!

north?

HONG KONG (Reuters) - An Indonesian maid has been jailed for six days in Hong Kong for serving her boss a cup of water containing urine, a newspaper reported yesterday.

whoahahahahahahahahahahahaahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!.......

Hi all,

I'm checking to see if finally I can post comments on my home laptop, let's see shall we?

Thanks so much North for your kind prayers, my Mom has to wait for another week or so before they perform the appropriate biopsy, it's not easy and it's frustrating but she is in good spirits and loves the doctors and Cedar Sinai in general, Good ol'American health care :)

Ruth, you are a good, decent and patriotic person, more comments later, Yogi, the interesting thing about conspiracies is that you can never get to the bottom of them, kind of like a hobby, good luck. Now I will press the post button and see what happens

“Americans must be clear that Iraq, and the region around it, could be even bloodier and more chaotic after Americans leave. There could be reprisals against those who worked with American forces, further ethnic cleansing, even genocide. Potentially destabilizing refugee flows could hit Jordan and Syria. Iran and Turkey could be tempted to make power grabs.”

-New York Times July 8th editorial

Perhaps something people just don't want to think about, because it just doesn't feel good and heck it gets in the way of hating Bush, that's what counts right? The real smart folks will clean up the mess when Bush leaves. I hope and pray Bush never lets up on al qaeda. That's how I feel and I don't care if I'm the lone wolf, but keep throwing it at me, it's fun :)

Cheers,

Steve

Steve

Diablo?

Glad to hear it Steve!!

I'm pretty bummed out right now; just went to my site, and in 30 minutes, someone has deleted 23 friends from my list...

I can see someone deleteing themselves. but 23 in less than 30 minutes? : (

Hacker strikes again... : (

I hate hackers with a passion.. they should be shot and pissed on, for the harm they do!!

amber says...

"Perhaps something people just don't want to think about, because it just doesn't feel good and heck it gets in the way of hating Bush, that's what counts right? The real smart folks will clean up the mess when Bush leaves. I hope and pray Bush never lets up on al qaeda. That's how I feel and I don't care if I'm the lone wolf, but keep throwing it at me, it's fun :)"

dude but al qaeda was not in iraq before the invasion...they were in afghanistan... that's where bushman should have finished them off...

damn...just when i was giving credit for smarts...u let out a brain fart...damn!

Ok, I was harsh-speaking; but 23 in about 20 minutes is just too bleepin' bizarre for mere reasoning(wink)... to NOT be hackerpricked.. Got shut down, had to shop-it to fix-it my PC just a few weeks ago... this isn't nice to happen again and again.. geezzzz! There, had my cussin' for one day! : )

Crazy thing is,
I can see it happening if I were making big money,

or something dreamy like that there;

but, I'm just an mere shadow of creativeness

among my peer-extensions(all->ya'll giggle)

and

how can hurt not become obtained;
when one's harmony becomes stained...
like being hacked by an extension of myself?

eeeek! Thinking hurts...
when one is dispursed,
to hurt.

(just made the poem up--colour it creative re-balancing--of serenity NOW!)

Goodmorning Everyone,

Hey Diablo, PBS did a great piece of work on the WTC towers and why they fell, and I am sure there are a number of great articles on the web. All ya gots to do is look for them the same way ya look for the conspiracy stuff. The information is available..go for it

wohahahahah, have a good'ay ruth

D, I'll follow ruth on this. the PBS stuff is excellent.

I personally believe the towers were constructed so if they fell they'd fall into themselves. there was heavy citizen resistance to the towers being built. there were many many fears. they were the tallest buildings in the world, built on landfill, though their pilings went down into Manhattan bedrock. there was the thought that they would not withstand the winds of NY Harbor, hurricanes, the water of the harbor and rivers (actually estuaries) surrounding them. they were designed to flex many feet in any direction on their top stories, to respond to the forces of the winds. the construction materials cut corners. the construction methods were relatively new and unproven. at the time, the public never thought of bombs or terrorism, but I'll bet the architects did. unless you saw these buildings over the years, saw them go up, had them in your life every day, you are missing a deep sense of how they were built and what they could withstand, and how vulnerable they were. in other words, your understanding is shallow. as for heavy centralized conspiracies, over and over in the past, those kinds of conspiracies have been proven false. generally speaking, life is so chaotic and destructive, heavy conspiracies don't make much headway. simple craziness is more effective and efficient. crazy dudes flying fueled-up planes into the towers. the jet fuel pouring down the stairwells, burning all the way. insulation knocked off the flexible buildings' internal support structures. the uninsulated steel softening, then bending. the floor braces slipping and breaking off inside. the towers were designed to flex and come back to their centers. in other words, they were designed to re-concentrate lateral forces towards the center of the buildings. their design would have encouraged a straight-down collapse.

in the PBS stuff, just check the issue of insulation on steel beams in the towers, as compared with the insulation of beams in the older structures near the towers, that did not go down, though they too had fires (though not fed by pours of jet fuel).

Goodmorning Everyone,

Hi Steve, you write,"Perhaps something people just don't want to think about, because it just doesn't feel good and heck it gets in the way of hating Bush, that's what counts right? The real smart folks will clean up the mess when Bush leaves. I hope and pray Bush never lets up on al qaeda. That's how I feel and I don't care if I'm the lone wolf, but keep throwing it at me, it's fun :)"

Hating Bush is a simple stress reliever in response to hearing night after night, day after day, the news reports of more and more bombings, more and more Al Qaeda buildup in Iraq and Afganistan and Pakistan. Actually, it seems that the majority of the American poeple have already written him and his Administraton off as not having the remotest idea as to how to deal with Iraq, Al Qaeda, future terror threats to the USA, or Homeland Securtiy..We do not so much as hate Bush as realize that he is simply an impotent leader, politically and militarily. So, frankly, your attachment to this man, in the face of his performance in Iraq, is mind-boggling, it is like you believe he is your saviour when, in fact, he has only made things more difficult, more complicated, more painful, more costly, than was ever necessary.

You say you hope Bush never lets up on Al Qaeda, even though Bush's political and military strategy, up to this point, have increased Al Qaeda strongholds and powerbase since September 2001.

Steve, I wouldn't worry, if I were you, there are strong, intelligent, capable minds available to make the decisions needed to find our way out of Iraq, and those same minds will also deal with Al Qaeda's, now, evergrowing influence in Iraq.

Really, it is okay to let go of your "bankie" Mr. Bush, he hasn't saved you, me, or Iraq, but he has given us a lot to discuss for a few years. In January 2009 a new leader will be sitting in the White House and that leader will have their hands full of bird droppings from the last eigth years, and this new leader knows that, they will be prepared, they will deal and we will go on.

have a great day Steve, and I hope your Mom is doing bette every day...ruth

ruth, granny, u r beating around the bush!

u still haven't produced the evidence!

until u do, u r just gushing a whole lot of hot air~! damn!

D, forgive me, I'm tired, but you sound like someone ordering his maid to scrub the floor. why not do your own research on the web? it's very easy to do. you don't want to convince yourself you're wrong, so you leave the task to others, hoping they won't bother. do I read you right?

Hello Everyone,

Hi Heather, I think you are reading mr. D (sonny boy) correctly.

Hi, mr. D(sonny boy) I am not going to bite. I think Heather's comment is pretty accurate, also the information is availble at your finger tips is you are interested in checking it out. It is not a debate I wish to enter into nor do I wish to persuade anyone to or fro. I buy the plane impact, cause and effect, as to the reason the buildings collasped as they did. I see no conspiracy, at all, as to what happenend on Sept. 11, 2001 to the WTC.

gotta get busy today, have a good one, ruth

are u little old girls construction engineers? u pretend to be! and, btw, dont believe everything u read, u hear me? damn!

Dear D

I have a little lay knowledge of structural engineering and architecture; I used to hang with my father, from the age of 4 to 14; he was an engineer and inventor. I worked two streets from the towers when they were being built, and saw them go from holes in the ground to finished. I actually saw them six days out of every seven for a long time, because St. Paul's, the church across from the towers that didn't get destroyed because of an old sycamore tree, is my church. what I read confirms what I saw, know and intuit based on my understanding of engineering and the physics of structures and forces. don't you go believing everything you read, okey-dokey? when you know as much about engineering as me, let's talk about this one again.

love, H

p.s., pls forgive my very crabby mood, trying to break it, but am bahut bahut (very very) tired.

This won’t cheer up anybody but the truth sometimes doesn’t.

Faith means belief without evidence. If the synaptic connections in one’s brain allow believing without evidence everything is indeed possible. Reality then permits astrology, spiritualism, telepathy, telekinesis (the ability to bend and move objects with ones mind), clairvoyance and ESP etc. in short miracles are possible.

When some I S O A A has that kind of faith, and happens to be the commander in chief of the strongest army in the world, all he needs is faith and he will eventually win the war, whatever that means. All he needs to do is stay the course and believe. No plan necessary.

If at the same time your mind is outside your brain then even bigger miracles are possible.

Atheists are capable of doing bad things but they are never done in the name of God. "Good people do good things and bad people do bad things, but to make good people do bad things, it takes religion."

How far away from reason must we get before we realise, we are on our way to self-destruct!

Immobile-sun
Sit in front the black screen
Looking theory-life how it should be, how it is

Myself
In front the streets of thoughts-multi-shapes
As comfortable as champagne bubbles

Four wait-feet in different heights
The chair-button of my life
In-mobile chemical-synapses, out-mobile chained-roads

Looking and looking
As if I was not good enough
Excluded...

A good movie to discover this summer:

Man, Woman and Child
Starring: Martin Sheen, Blythe Danner Director: Dick Richards

hey...heather...

if u r that tired...

listen up...

get off the computer, now, walk over there... see? see that bed?

go lay down on it and close ur eyes...u'll feel a whole lot better when u wake!

good nite!

I forgot to mention:

The movie came out in 1983... 25 years ago. I still cannot understand why after all that time, the world cannot mature a bit more.

The knowledge is already there. But who used it? Psychologist? Humans experimentations for enterprises and governments power? Could be the most simple powerful and important knowledge not freely accessible?

We have to be barbaric or we are out? Click your finger and for you the illusion is gone. Don't be shame of who you are. People like to hear real painful human-stories, when they are real-experiences. They like it because when you talk about it simply and truly, you open the chained-superficial-gates of others.

They want to join you and finally-scream-out the pain. One layer at the time, from superficial to deep human experiences, look and hear what is to be human today. Listen carefully and gently shut up.

There are so many ways to be humans...

Finally, I recommend a good relaxing music CD:

Marc Antoine
Universal Language

dear D, no bed at work, don't work on a ranch. thx for g'nite, will save for later.

dear J-F, thx for sharing compassion in 4 flavors.

love, H

********SKYWATCHER ALERT FOR JULY 28*******

The Delta Aquarid meteor shower will peak before dawn July 28th. All but the brightest meteors will be washed out by the almost-full moon...but if you are out and about the hour or two before dawn look up!

diablo if it is another late night at the ranch you might see them---LOL

bonnie

oops instead of LOL should have said damn!

bonnie...u can keep on laughing! but make sure when u do that others dont laugh at you!

whoahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZt3Zg2y8ks&NR

enjoy!

Cheers.

gosh diablo, I was just kidding with you.

bonnie

It would be indeed great to know that “somebody” got passed where we are now.

Time for the soccer game. :-)

Alien anions of the negative order in a non-dual universe:

http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/2007/pr200718.html

I rather prefer the E.T version..."phone home".

Hey Bonnie!

I will be camping the night of August 12th! Just for this:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/11jul_greatperseids.htm

Thanks Keith!

I have marked my calander...sounds like a perfect time to sleep out under the stars. Actually anytime is, but a light show makes it that much better.

bonnie

and kate will be there to light the bonfire!

Dear Steve,
I find myself wondering
how is it that you do still stand by Bush & Co.

But, it doesn't matter
I connect with you, like many others who
love you at IB.

I wish for your Mom to be well.

Love and Blessings,
~ Kate

and to the Diablo
and to Keith
I am dying to meet you
both!
Whoa,,,
and
more

~ Kate

dear North & Mieke,
I am still working on my sketches,
but your artwork
and words
stand beyond compare!

love to you both,
~ Kate

Dear Kate,

You are sweet, thank you.

It's not so much that I stand behind Bush at this point, I don't stand behind him in many things, it's just that when it comes to what I see as a major threat to most of the people on the planet, to me it's not global warming, it's not Bush, it's Islamists. And Bush is the only one trying to do something about it, making big mistakes, I admit. Many at IB don't seeit that way, and I understand that. I just try to bring a different perspective, that's all and people can see it as the lone hold out, or just ignore it.

Thanks for the sentiment Kate, and my Mom is much appreciative for all of your prayers.

Love,

Steve

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty. "

Maybe Kate I'm more of a JFK liberal.

Boy times have changed!

Cheers,

Steve

Looking forward to seeing your art-sketch Kate!

amber responding to kate...

"...it's just that when it comes to what I see as a major threat to most of the people on the planet, to me it's not global warming, it's not Bush, it's Islamists."

dude...u just messed up the bed again...the problem is not Islamists...it's Islamist suicide bombers...and how can the world defend against crazy natics who think they are doing god's will by blowing themselves and innocent people up?

that absurd comment is like someone from that religion calling all christians or all jews a threat to world peace...no? damn...u let out another big brain fart...dude ....check urself...
and btw where is that other loyal amigo? dude!

hi kate!

Dearest Diablo,

I hate to rain on your "dumb again" parade but an Islamist is one who promotes terror in the name of Allah, through jihadist tactics. That's what they call themselves Islamists. I know the differnce buddy boy. It's a specific term and I agree how can you defend someone who straps a bomb and prays that they blow up women and children, the more the better.

The Muslim world is starting to get pretty sick of these bastards, and that's what's happening in Iraq, their is less and less support for bomb strapping evil assed dudes.

So please Diablo, before you begin your day looking for ways to lay into me and my buddy Norm, maybe you can ease up and give someone the benefit of the doubt.

Whoa!

Amber

The following Islamists groups also believe we should pull out of Iraq as soon as possible and also needless to say, doesn't support Bush, you can thank Diablo for this post. I'm just reporting information, not promoting hate and fear:

Al-Qaeda
Al-Qaeda is a worldwide pan-Islamic terrorist network headed by Osama bin Laden and is most famous for orchestrating the September 11, 2001 attacks against the United States. It now operates in more than 60 countries. Its stated aim is the use of jihad to defend Islam against Zionism, Christianity, the secular West, and Muslim governments such as Saudi Arabia, which it sees as insufficiently Islamic and too closely tied to America.

Formed in the aftermath of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the late 1980s by bin Laden and Muhammad Atef, Al Qaeda called for the use of violence against civilians and military of the United States and any countries that are allied with it.[11] Since its formation Al Qaeda has committed a number of terrorist acts in Africa, the Middle East, Europe, and Asia. Although once supported by the Taliban organization in Afghanistan, the U.S. and British governments never considered the Taliban to have been a terrorist organization.

Fatah al-Islam
Main article: Fatah al-Islam
Fatah al-Islam is an Islamist group operating out of the Nahr al-Bared refugee camp in northern Lebanon. It was formed in November 2006 by fighters who broke off from the pro-Syrian Fatah al-Intifada, itself a splinter group of Fatah, and is led by a Palestinian fugitive militant named Shaker al-Abssi.[14] The group's members have been described as militant jihadists,[15] and the group itself has been described as a terrorist movement that draws inspiration from al-Qaeda.[14][15][16] Its stated goal is to reform the Palestinian refugee camps under Islamic sharia law,[17] and its primary targets are Israel and the United States.[14] Lebanese authorities have accused the organization of being involved in the February 13, 2007 bombing of two minibuses that killed three people, and injured more than 20 others, in Ain Alaq, Lebanon,[16] and identified four of its members as having confessed to the bombing.

Hamas
Hamas, ("zeal" in Arabic and an acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya), began support for attacks on military and civilian targets in Israel at the beginning of the Intifada in 1987. As the Muslim Brotherhood organization for Palestine its leadership was made up of "intellectuals from the devout middle class,... respectable religious clerics, doctors, chemists, engineers, and teachers.[18]

The 1988 charter of Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel, although its public spokespeople do not, and its "military wing" has claimed responsibility for numerous attacks in Israel. Hamas has also been accused of sabotaging the Israeli-Palestine peace process by launching attacks on civilians during Israeli elections to anger Israeli voters and facilitate the election of harder-line Israeli candidates. For example, "a series of spectacular suicide attacks by Palestinians that killed 63 Israelis and led directly to the election victory of Benjamin Netanyahu and his Likud party on May 29, 1996.

Hamas justifies these attacks as necessary in fighting the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory, and as responses to Israeli attacks on Palestinian targets. The wider movement also serves as a charity organization and provides services to Palestinians.

Hamas has been designated as a terrorist group by the European Union, Canada, the United States, Israel, the United Nations Commission on Human Rights and Human Rights Watch. Opponents of this view claim that Israel is not a legitimate state because of the conditions of its establishment after World War II.

Hezbollah
Main article: Hezbollah
Hezbollah is a Shi'a political party in Lebanon, comprising a militia and extensive programs for social development. There is a wide disagreement about how Hezbollah's violent acts, and thus the organization as a whole, should be characterized. Throughout most of the Arab and Muslim worlds Hezbollah is regarded as a legitimate resistance movement.[22] The Lebanese government also recognized it as a legitimate resistance against occupation of Lebanese land by Israel.

Some countries regard Hezbollah's violent acts to be terrorist attacks, and thus they consider Hezbollah a "terrorist" organization. The United States, Canada, Israel and the Netherlands regard Hezbollah as a "terrorist" organization, while the United Kingdom and Australia consider only Hezbollah's external security organization to be a terrorist organization.

Islamic Jihad

Islamic Jihad is an Islamist group based in the Syrian capital, Damascus. A Shiite terrorist organisation with strong ties to Iran, Islamic Jihad aims to create a fundamentalist Islamic state in Lebanon. In the Western world, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad is the organization usually meant by the term "Islamic Jihad", due to the widespread media coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This organization is led by Sheikh Abdullah Ramadan.

Lashkar-e-Toiba
Pakistan based Lashkar-e-Toiba is a militant group that seeks the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir's accession to Pakistan. It has committed mass militant actions against Indian troops and civilian Hindus.[24] The Lashkar leadership describes Indian and Israeli regimes as the main enemies of Islam, claiming India and Israel to be the main enemies of Pakistan.[25] Lashkar-e-Toiba, along with Jaish-e-Mohammed, another militant group active in Kashmir are on the United States’ foreign terrorist organizations list. They are also designated as terrorist groups by the United Kingdom, India, Australia and Pakistan.[

well smart ass..

listen up...

u dont need to be a Rhode scholar to know that Islamist is a derivative of Islam...

just as christian is a derivative id chriatianity...

if u think my interpretation dumb...then include me in the majority...

there has got to be something fundamentally wrong with fools who continue to support the puppet in washington..in light of all the things we now know about his socall war on terror...give ur niggin a big shake amigo...damn!

Hello Everyone,

Steve, with all due respect, sharing all the above is trying to promote your perspective and the Administrations perspective that the American peoples desire to leave Iraq and not support the Bush policy anymore is one in the same..."The following Islamists groups also believe we should pull out of Iraq as soon as possible and also needless to say, doesn't support Bush." ...

What and Who these groups support or do not support should have absolutely no effect as to how one should deal or handle the situation..of course they think as they do, who would expect them to think differently?

The American people gave support for this war a war that was presented to them as a necessity, a necessity that was presented under false premises. The American people have given President Doofus and Vice President Ding Dong the benefit of their doubt as long as they could reasonably afford to, and, now, they have run out of benefits...their call for change, their call for withdrawal is completley and totally different from what the "groups" above desire.

Please do not insult the American people's intelligence by trying to present the "Islamists groups" support for withdrawal or dislike of Bush policies as being one in the same...it is not...they have no bearing on one another...

and really, your presenting the information in this way IS trying to unite the two perspectives as supporting one another and they do not, at all.

have a great day Steve, ruth

Ruth, I didn't realize that you speak on behalf of the American people. It's a free country.

Diablo, I'm honored to be called a smart ass by you, thanks!

Both of you have a great rest of the weekend, I believe that's what the American people would like :)

Steve

I wish a great rest, beautiful weather to all of you.

Relax
And take it easy.
For sure you deserve it...

It never ceases to amaze me, Jean-Francois.

We used to think that we all get what we deserve eventually.

Comeuppance. First-rate instant karma deferred for a rainy day.

It's raining cats and dogs, so who's fault is it?

If I throw a boomerang into a tornado...

Frankie knows how to relax!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgEdFXJ-huw

You will want to dance!

why is the TREE whining about the rain? damn! it must be good for ur roots after all that lopey juice someone poured on ur roots last week! damn!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rCs3ded_Y

Loopy juice and fantasies, Lil' Sapling. Whoahahahah!

I was thinking of someone else,
but this was the only way to get the song.

It's PG13, btw.

"The war made possible for us the solution of a whole series of problems that could never have been solved in normal times. It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion" Joseph Goebbels 'Nazi Propaganda Minister' 1941.

"The great masses of the people... will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. The efficiency of the truly national leader consists primarily in preventing the division of the attention of a people, and always in concentrating it on a single enemy. What luck for the rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler Nazi 1942.

"We look forward to analyzing and working with legislation that will make- it would hope- put a free press's mind at ease that you're not being denied information you shouldn't see" George W. Bush April 14, 2005.

"The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies" Adolph Hitler Nazi 1943

"As you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say" George W. Bush Oct 28, 2003.

"The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it" Dr. Joseph Mengele Nazi 1943

"See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develope weapons of mass destruction" George W. Bush Oct 3, 2003.

"They misunderestimated me". George W. Bush Nov. 6, 2000.

"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prision without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgement of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government, whether Nazi or Communist". Sir Winston Churchill 1943

"The most common characteristic of all police states is intimidation by surveillance. Citizens know they are being watched and overheard. Their mail is being examined. Their homes can be invaded". Vance Packard.

"If civilization is to survive, we must cultivate the science of human relationships-- the ability of all peoples, of all kinds, to live together, in the same world at peace" Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The structure of world peace cannot be the work of one man, or one party, or one nation... it must be a peace which rests on the cooperative effort" Franklin D. Roosevelt March 15, 1941

"True Islam taught me that it takes all of the religious, political, economic, psychological, and racial ingredients, or characteristics, to make the Human Family and the Human Society complete" Malcom X 1965

"Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to mankind" John F. Kennedy- Sept 25, 1961

"The great thing about America is everybody should vote" George W. Bush- Dec 8, 2000

"When we got into office, the thing that surprised me the most was that things were as bad as we'd been saying they were" -John F. Kennedy 1961

Goodmorning Everyone,

Yawn.Yawn.Yawn..lots of fog here in the northeast, the air is HEAVY, but, still, the windows are open, the birds are chirpin, and my coffee ready..strectching...

okey dokey...Steve...yes, you may not remember, but way back in 2000 when the Supreme Court put President Doofus in the White House...i was made spokesperson for all americana and her peoples..that is right...I am the voice of the people..those seventy percent who want to get out of Iraq and who want to get out of President Doofus and Vice President Ding Dongs clutches..hahahahaha.

Well, I have looked around IB and there is really not much to write home about, today, so I guess mum is the word for Sunday.

maybe, it is a good day for meditation..ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

have a wonder full day everyone, ruth

so u aren't feeling funky today, ruthy? damn! where is our resident spammer? is he getting lucky? dude has probably found his dream applepie in Krakow ! good for him! now he can start makin' babies! whoa, hey?

Goodmorning Everyone,

Well, I just checked out Tim Russett's show..what's it called? on NBC..and he was having the BIG roundtable discussion with lots of reporters giving their TAKE on the Clinton-Obama race and how it is going...well, the big thing I heard was Tim saying and at least Obama can say he voted AGAINST the war while Clinton voted FOR it. Gee,,,really, what is it with these folks? and why are they still harping on her vote for the war...the MAJORITY of the American people voted FOR the war...yep, they did, and do these folks think that the MAJORITY like being constantly reminded of that fact and the fact that OBAMA and a handful of others didn't..We are all WELL AWARE that OBAMA was not in the political ring at that time...he had nothing whatsoever to lose in voting AGAINST the war...listen, up, OBAMA will be flip-floppin just like all the other fish in the political arena have to when they are trying to keep there heads above water..OBAMA is new and clean and pretty...looks impressive, but give him a few trips around the political race track and he will start getting mud splotches all over that record.

Boy, Hillary Clinton has her work cut out for her, really, you can feel the excitement in the BIG roundtable of reporters,,it is like, "did you see OBAMA! wasn't he wonderful! and he sounded so SMART! and well that Foreign Policy thinging was no big deal...he'll jump that hurdle! yes, he is really giving Hillary the goods!...

I would say to these reporters you cannot jump a hurdle that is 20 feet over your head without lot of practice, know-how, skill and experience...Foreign policy KNOW-HOW will be as foreign to OBAMA in November 2008 as it was yesterday and is today.

The American people have already experienced a President with absolutely no experience in Foreign Policy Relations and look at where we are...in an abyss.

ruth

"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –Bill Clinton, during his 1998 grand jury testimony on the Monica Lewinsky affair

"It depends on how you define alone…" –Bill Clinton, in his grand jury testimony

"I'm someone who had a deep emotional attachment to 'Starsky and Hutch.'" –Bill Clinton

I never realized how much power a president had until the Bush thing came along.
But when a big wind comes in and destroys what we know and love, it gives us oportunity to rebuild and learn from the mistakes made by this administration.

We will have to endure a year of political BS from the people who are supposed to be working on fixing things. Instead they will be wandeing around giving speaches tailored to the crowd and the media. Thier going to say whatever they have to say to get elected, right? Campain promises? Yo!
How many times are we going to suspend our common sense and pretend to believe what they are saying during a campain?
To know if someone will be a good leader look a thier past, not what they say thier going to do. How many times do they do what they say?

Instead they are going to spend billions of dollars on a he said she said campain. It will narrow down to two choices based on how much money they can raise. One democrat and one republican. Not based on how good of a job they can do but how well they can raise money and bull...t the people.
I'm tired of this system. It makes no sense to me.

I am not a savvy political anylist, and niether is the majority of voters. Most people are so busy treading water that any slick talking politicain can easily smile and say, "I'll make it all better trust me", shake their hand then off to the next photo op while the person is still treading water, and is still treading water.

I think we need to spend less energy on this campain circus and more on finding a simple way to show the people the track records of these candidates. Let us see plainly see what these people have done, not what they say they're going to do.

It is easy to dis people and find stupid things they have said and done.

I know this goes against every political instinct, but what if the campain was about the candidates talking about each others accomplishments.

Why is it just accepted, by the voters, that our future leaders should be so talented at tearing down thier opponents. Is this talent what makes them a good leader?

If it is the way of our natural being to have leaders that tear down rather than build up, so be it and my words will fade with time. But somewhere down inside of me I can see a world where the opposite is true. A world not based in fear and treading water.

I ask again, if we can not control this president, how will we control the next president. Is control now out of the people's hands? Has it alway been out of the control of the people?

Should I just be at peace and let what happens happen and stay at peace no matter who is elected and no matter what they do?

yo, this is the kind of stuff I usually write and then delete before I post. Thought I'd post this one.

derek

Political party's is no different than the mafia-familia!! Just watch the Godfather trilogy; and one can see the emmulation...

sounds like a certain amigo has been deeply scarred by bill clinton's use of the English language...and by extention...his sexual indiscretions...

but he's inspired by a certain bushman fighting those al qaeda monsters in iraq...yes those same cavemen who were once in afghanistan...cornered and on the run when he strangely let them off the hook to go after another monster who did not pose a threat to america...wow!

says doodooman..

"I am not a savvy political anylist, and niether is the majority of voters."

u can also include the 3 loyal amigos and bushman on that list...yeah!

What a great open thread. It's great we discuss all this stuff, with all our different viewpoints. That's the America I know and love, and you guys are exemplifying it here!

Cheers,

Yogi

Apparently young D. your history stops before 9/11. Billy Bob Clinton had Osama in his cross hairs and couldn't give the order to shoot because he didn't have 100% confirmation. Now that's leadership, so my man he was even closer.

You can look it up.

Cheers,

Steve

so amber.. ur brain is natuarlly hard-wired to think bush-skewed as u do...but i wont hold that against u dude, u got too other amigos in the country who think just like u! damn!

like i said before... what would bin ladens death have solved?
... squat! 'cause some other bozo would have replaced him and carried out their evil missions...as if nothing had happened..but am afraid dude, are too .... to figure that out! no? giv it a skake dude! damn!

Here is God talking to you in the 21st century?

Imagine the climate of gullibility 2,000 yrs. ago or even 14 hunderd yrs. back!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2007/07/28/zarrella.divorcing.jesus.cnn

Cheers!

Lovely...

V

Hi Derek,

#132 comes closest to what politics in a democracy has been reduced to, as I see it now. Without having enormous reserves of money, is it possible for someone who may have everything else, a system expects from its leaders, to be in government?

Is this what the democratic way of life has reduced governance to? Have money will govern, else get on to your soap-box and holler all you want - who cares. You want something from me? Show me the colour of your money first.

Have been reading about all the money raising functions and dos and the enormous sums of money being collected and promised to the favourites by caucuses, supporters and stage managers. I wonder how many of these sponsors are simply biding their time to reap far more than what they have had to dole out. In business and politics, you are stupid if heart rules head. So how long after the election before all the sponsors come calling at your door? How long before its pay back time? And when that happens, as it surely does, a little bit of democracy, honesty and decncy also fall by the wayside.

Blaise Pascal first explained his wager on the existence of God in Pensées (1669): "Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is."

-what a gullible fool Pascal , eh Ron?

Cheers,

Steve

“Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction” - Blaise Pascal

Ignorance has to be replaced with knowledge. If you then still have an appetite for the supernatural, follow the pretenders, any of them, even an ISOAA, because your brain is not wired for fact but faith and fiction.

Does this apply to someone here?

Unbelievable!

BAGHDAD - Tens of thousands of Iraqis from the Shiite south to the Kurdish-dominated north poured into the usually treacherous streets Sunday to celebrate a rare moment of joy and unity when the national team won Asia's most prestigious soccer tournament.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070730/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

Allah's intervention on the soccer field...
totally unbelievable, therefore supernatural.
Who's side is HE on today?

Read the writing on-------->the side of the missile.

Goodmorning Everyone,

a little bone to chew..

What we become once the light of God is allowed to penetrate us is determined by a combination of the Divine and the personal. Without God, the personal aspects of an individual can do only one thing: suck. They want to survive and can only survive when fed by external sources. So they prey on manifest reality, manipulaitng it with gravitational forces that are psychologically neurotic and self-preserving. In this way, these personal aspects capture food in their little mouths and swallow it, digesting it into the black hole of themselves. Then with hardly a pause, they insatiably turn to plunder the outer world for more.

When "what is" is realized internally, however the Glory of the Divine radiates from the heart. Shining outward, pure and undifferentiated, it reaches these same personal traits and aspects and is refracted in a unique way. The personal refractoin of the light of God from within the manifest expression of God and God's love in human form.

We are not to do away with the personal, the individual, in spiritual work. We are simply presented with the Work of radiating God outwardly through what is personal so that we become an expression of the Divine instead of stealing "what is" for our personal bottomless hole, which can do nothing but greedily devour God's creaton in perpetuation of itself...

from Perfection of Nothing...Rick Lewis

goodmorning everone,

Well the US Ambassador to the UN accused the Saudis of be an unstablizing force in Iraq while our President gave them the gift that keeps on killing...a 20 billion dollar arms package.hmmmm.

Israel is happy too, they got 30 billion.

Weapons up! everyone...and FIRE.

scratching my head...hmmmm. is it me or is the world moving toward a complexity that will be beyond it's own ability to comprehend and control in the not too far future?

ponderings, ruth

How many times has a parent said to a child, "you're too smart for your own good." well, I think the world has reached that point, it is too smart for it's own good, and that is a very, very, bad thing, for us.

well, let us not spoil a beautiful day, it is sunny and not too warm in the northeast,..a beautiful monday morning!

have a great day pondering it all, ruth

Yes . . .

Something strange this way comes when the U.S., the "number one" promoter of "freedom" and "democracy" in the world, arms the Israelis, the Arabs, Indians, Pakistanis, UAE, Chad, Indonesia, Philippines, Kurds, Shiite, Sunni, and a lengthy list of assorted South American, Pacific Island, and Eastern European nations with as much and ever more weapons as they can possibly use.

Throughout the last fifty-hundred years more people have been murdered by U.S. made weapons, and U.S. backed dictators or violent insurgent coups than, well, I don't know, I would hazard a guess of easily 200 million plus, perhaps far more . . .

Guns and war do not make peace; but it is good for corporate interests and the war industry!

Peace

Hunger, disease spread in Iraq: Oxfam report

Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:54AM EDT

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Hunger and disease are spreading in Iraq as violence masks a deepening humanitarian crisis, British charity Oxfam said in a report on Monday.

The charity said 28 percent of Iraqi children are malnourished, 15 percent of Iraqis regularly cannot afford enough to eat and 70 percent lack clean drinking water, all sharp increases since 2003.

"The terrible violence in Iraq has masked the ongoing humanitarian crisis. Malnutrition amongst children has dramatically increased and basic services, ruined by years of war and sanctions, cannot meet the needs of the Iraqi people," Oxfam director Jeremy Hobbs said.

"The fighting and weak Iraqi institutions mean there are severe limits on what humanitarian work can be carried out. Nevertheless more can and should be done to help the Iraqi people," he said.
Two million Iraqis have been forced to flee the country since 2003, and at least as many have been displaced within Iraq.

War as business is of course nothing new.

Every round that goes off racks up a profit for some manufacturing company. They mange to keep their activities on the down-low, so that even if they are well-known companies, their weapons-making divisions, which generate great profits, are kept out of the public view.

One of America's dirty secrets.

But of course, while we are the biggestb manufacturers of weapons, we aren't the only ones, and there's plenty of eager companies that would fill the void if we stopped.

War is lucrative for manufacturers, contractors, mercenaries, infrastructure companies, and especially big banks.

War is America's other nasty addiction, along with oil.

In the Middle East, the two addictions come together.

I don't remember which person said it, but it bears repeating:
Would we be in Iraq if their biggest export product was carrots?

Interestingly enough; there is a special coming on TV, about the missing billions of dollars stolen from Iraq!! Who stole it? Where did it go? Does anyone care?

Also, just to make a mention: Tony Blair, is the first Prime Minister of the UK--who is being "investigated" for shady dealings...

Atheism shows strength of mind, but only to a certain degree.
-Blaise Pascal

Belief is a wise wager. Granted that faith cannot be proved, what harm will come to you if you gamble on its truth and it proves false? If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation, that He exists.
-Blaise Pascal

Your atheism can only take you so far, as we have seen in past 20th. century regimes, in collapse and ruins.

Hey Yogi,

How much oil to we get from South Korea or Taiwan in the past 50 years, even before electronics? Ginseng?

How much oil to we get from Israel?

Just curious?

Hey Yogi,

How much oil to we get from South Korea or Taiwan in the past 50 years, even before electronics? Ginseng?

How much oil to we get from Israel?

Just curious?

sounds like one of the amigos is bored and antsy and is looking to pick a fight with someone...damn!

whoahahahahahahaahahahaahahahaah!!!!!!!!....

I hate it when liberals talk about improvements in Iraq, didn't they get the lock step memo?

Monday, July 30, 2007

'Al Qaida in Iraq is on the run', U.S. claims

BAGHDAD — The U.S. military is mopping up Al Qaida networks during its continuing offensive in Iraq.
"Al Qaida in Iraq is on the run, and placing less qualified operatives into leadership positions to make up for vacancies left when coalition forces cripple their network," Maj. Marc Young, a U.S. military spokesman, said.

Writing in today's N.Y. Times, two former war critics at the Brookings Institute said U.S. prospects have improved. ["A War We Just Might Win"] The military detained 36 Al Qaida operatives on Thursday in raids that targeted the network in central and northern Iraq. One of the detainees was identified as an Al Qaida cell leader.

Our leaders have described the recent atrocity with the customary cliche: mindless cowardice. "Mindless" may be a suitable word for the vandalising of a telephone box. It is not helpful for understanding what hit New York on September 11. Those people were not mindless and they were certainly not cowards. On the contrary, they had sufficiently effective minds braced with an insane courage, and it would pay us mightily to understand where that courage came from.
It came from religion....
-- Richard Dawkins, "Religion's Misguided Missiles" (September 15, 2001

Yes, not your religion, but can’t you see, that IS the problem?

Diablo, one of our amigos is now a full-fledged “enemigo” of reason! Not interested in the truth, just in case!

dear Yogi-one, (#151)
and I do like carrots
:-)
~ Kate

dude...i think it's kinda weird to see the three remaining loyal amigos trying to act smart especially when they try to prop up their whacko maestro in DC...damn!

whoahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha!!!!!!!!!.......

"Would we be in Iraq if their biggest export product was carrots?" asks yogi

or nukes as in NK? damn!

It came from religion....

Why doesn't Dawkins admit that the religion in question is Islam? I have no problems with that comment.

amber...dude...were christians saintly during the crusades? damn! u always seem to present half-baked stories! no? damn!

it's time to jump off...it's like seeking refuge on a sinking ship! dude!

: ----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: Alyeska Woman
Date: Jul 30, 2007 11:50 AM

DAMN MEDIA
Body: How could we
know?

Did you know that 47 countries' have reestablished their embassies in Iraq?

Did you know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?

Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated,

364 schools are under rehabilitation,

263 new schools are now under construction

and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq?

Did you know that Iraq's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities,

46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers,

all currently operating?

Did you know that 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in January 2005

for the reestablished Fulbright program?

Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational?

They have 5 - 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment.

Did you know that Iraq's Air Force consists of three operational squadrons,

which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft

(under Iraqi operational control)

which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?

Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?

Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000

fully trained and equipped police officers?

Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq

that produce over 3500 new officers each 8 weeks?

Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq?

They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations,

22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.

Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5

have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?

Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October?

Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq

and phone use has gone up 158%?

Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations,

180 newspapers and 10 television stations?

Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?

Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a televised debate recently?

OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW!

WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW?

OUR MEDIA WOULDN'T TELL US!

Instead of reflecting our love for our country,

we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu Ghraib

and people throwing snowballs at the presidential motorcades.

Tragically, the lack of accentuating the positive in Iraq serves two purposes:

It is intended to undermine the world's perception of the United States

thus minimizing consequent support,

and it is intended to discourage American citizens.

-Above facts are verifiable on the Department of Defense web site
http://www(dot)defenselink.mil/

north?

Hello Dara
Yo, to get to level of politrics that the presidential candidates are at, I would think that they have accumulated many strange bedfellows who they will have to pay back in some way or another.

How would we know if someone has what it takes to be a leader?
We are overwhelmed with everything except whether a candidate has the ability to govern. A lot of smoke and mirrors bought with a lot of money.

I still would like to see a candidates track record, not thier fund raising skills. This may be naive but I would rather base my choice of who will lead us on something other than money and spin.

I'm sure if I spent more time away from my work I could research all the candidates and find out what they have done, but my computer don't float and I have to use my arms to swim(survive).

I can hardly stomach watching the news networks and the coming storm of campain trash talk commecials. So my choice will have to be made on my intuition. Then it is up to the accuracy of our flawed voting system. You would think that such an important decision on who will be our next leader that we could at least depend on the voting proccess, but we learned from the last pesidential vote that it is not to be trusted.
We did not get the candidate that we voted for.

So again we will suspend our common sense for the duration of the campain and vote for one of two choices, the ones who have raised the most money.

I would love to see this proccess change but I think the politicians get a kick out of it.
But this is the proccess we get and I'll have to work within it and vote and hope.

This is either a stupid question or irrelevant but noone has bothered to answer it. I'll jus keep askin'.

If We can not control this president how will we control the next one?

If we accept that we did not get the candidate we voted for in the last election what makes us believe we will stand up if this happens again?
We still sit by and do nothing while the current pesident widdles away at our rigths. He didn't win the last election and still there he is.
Hopefully he hasn't passed some law in secret allowing for a third term. Sounds crazy but look at where we are, completey out of control of OUR government with a presidnet we did not vote for.

Yo.
From a naive, water treading common man.

derek

diablo...

I don't mean to sound like such a victim to the system, but I think it has gotten out of control and become a circus. It is our resonsibilty to create change not the candidates. It is my responsibilty to make a difference where I feel a change is needed.
At this point the only thing I know to do is to raise my voice.
I don't live in Boston and I don't have tea to dump in the harbor.

I'm just a common man treading water hoping to look in the eyes of the candidates before they are off to thier next photo op.

derek

I was going to fix my mispelling of politics from politrics
so I will..........politricks

Well my friend, if we were currently living in the middle ages then it would be relevant to discuss what the Christians did,but since this is 2007 we have different issues that acutally impact all of us. You are a piece of work, but I consider you an amigo, ha ha! Damn

Steve

dude..

like the skeptic always says...u can't convince some people to change their skewed views...they are just hard-wired that way! damn!

That's what the Skeptic man always says because he prefers to be dismissive. You may not realize it Big D. but I agree with you in many ways, I just find some of the rational thinking around here to be repetitious and boring. But I'm a hard wired to be irrational, I can think of worse things to call someone.

Have a good night and I think it's time for a new open thread, where we can yet again hear about the greatness of Dawkins, yet again and again.

Cheers,

Steve

Hey Steve and Diablo,

The moon tonight is something to see.
I am heading out to the field nearby,
come and join me.

Can't beat stargazing
and being with two amazing
guys!

:) ~ Kate

wait a minute katie...

u and 2 dudes in a field in the midddle of the night, star gazing? did u bring a cooler?

damn!

hey Diablo,
how did you know - yes, I have a cooler,
and just your luck,
here is one cold bev for - you,
and
a hug around the neck
;)
~ Kate

Goodmorning Everyone,

Gee, Steve (#158), President Doofus gave the famous Al Qaeda in Iraq speech(95times-in29min)and all of a sudden things are looking GOOD. A new report saying things are under control..gee, what kind of magic is this?

Ah, maybe the insurgents have, like the the Iraqi Parliment, taken the summer off, I mean why should they work when the Parliment gets to vacation...I am sure they need a break too from all their murderings and beheadings.

have a good one, ruth

Hi again Derek,

I think you voice the frustrations of many average people the world over with whats happening in our political systems. But where I agree with you most is when you say you must raise your voice.

No matter how much I rant against politicians and politics there is always a nagging voice at the back which whispers 'voter apathy and public lethargy'. Its so easy to blame the elected though the real problem is with those who have stood by and watched and done nothing while things have gone from bad to worse and eventually ended up as disasters. And often things reached that far because we didn't bother to vote, to voice our concerns or even let out a beep when the rot began. Now after having let it spread for years and years we demand that it all be cleaned up in a minute. It won't happen on its own.

Heck I could go on like this for the next few hours! Just want to menion one fact which conveys how irresponsible we have been. Check out the voter turn-out in elections over the last few elections. I would be most surprised if the figure averages more than 50 to 60% anywhere in the world. I dont have the figures, but from what I remember here in India, a voter turn out of 60% is cause for celebration! I think thats true almost anywhere in the world. So with 40%, of those elegible, finding it such a bother to spend an hour every 5 years to go and vote, we expect our representatives to deliver or even bother about us! Sorry I have to stop or I could put you to sleep with my views on this subject..

the 3 loyal amigos think that puppy yonder is cute when everybody else thinks it's real uuggllly!damn!

maybe they are hard-wired to think this way! whoahahahhahahaahahahahahahahaahahahaaha!!!!!!!.....

Kate you are so sweet.

Wow Ruth, I didn't realize that you actually watched the speech and counted how many times he said Al Qaeda.

Anyway have a great day everyone, yes everyone!

Cheers,

Steve

Hello Everyone,

Wow, Steve, no, actually didn't watch or listen, but couldn't miss the news coverage of the fact that President Doofus was able to chirp three words so fast and in such a short time since he has rarely been able to articulate a sentence of more than six words comprehensively when asked about anything that this particular speech warranted notice.

I do love your comebacks, though, Steve, you do hang in there, your loyalty is well noted!

have a very good day Steve, ruth

IRAQ'S MISSING BILLIONS
Monday July 30, 2007 at 10pm ET/PT on CBC Newsworld

George W. Bush declared that billions of dollars entrusted to the American Coalition would go toward developing infrastructure in Iraq. Rich with close to 20 billion dollars of Iraq's money, and full of promises, the coalition went into the war torn country. But after only fourteen months, nearly all of the money was spent. No accountability. No records. With Iraq's essential services now worse than before the war, where has all this money gone? How can this be explained?

The full Story here:
http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunday/feature_011006.html

Steve, what would it take for you to abandon your lockstep with your president?

Thanks Skeptisch that's a sweet offer, I first thought cash, then perhaps smuggling some nice Cuban cigars from Canada, but if I abandon my principals, then you wouldn't respect me in the morning, so I'll remain a loyal opponent.

Ruth, I that you will be heartened by any good news that come out of Iraq. I know that the Dems are invested in defeat, since it will help them with elections, how sad.

Have a great day all,

Steve

Steve, Steve,

you write,"know that the Dems are invested in defeat, since it will help them with elections, how sad."

Dems are invested in Iraq defeat? Now, I know why it is that you see this situation the way you do. You and this Administration do not seem to be able to reflect, at all, clearly, on how the decisions, and strategies, of this ill conceived Invasion has contributed to and has been the absolute largest and most expensvie investment in a failed policy as there ever could be! And, yet they still keep forkin out the dollars and lives and the propagnada. Right, success is right around the corner, if only those dam Democrats would get on board! It is not, WE made mistakes, WE are responsible for all that has happened and will happen in Iraq..it is always and only their fault, those Democrats will do anything, even, at the cost of American lives, just to win an election. Now, that is what is sad, about this Administration and Iraq.

gotta quit checking in here it is taking up too much of my time. enough avoiding today..things to do, places to go, people to meet...have a good one ruth.

Victory, as hoped by the proponents of this war, cannot be achieved. They, obviously, have bitten off more than they can chew.

Barring insanity, they must now wish they had never opened this Pandora's Box.

The reason why they cannot win is simply because they do not know who they are fighting against since the enemy blends in perfectly with the civilian population.

But why then does Bush continue to spew his nonsense about 'victory' in Iraq.

It is best to get the hell out of there now and help the victims of war rebuild their lives. Reparation will be costly but a necessary bitter pill to swallow.

Sometimes in life we make mistakes and wish we had never gone down that road. But we are never the less responsible for them. That is where this administration finds itself at the moment!

Rgds.

P.S.: Finally, we must not forget the initial reason(s) for invasion!

Al Qaeda is quickly wearing out it's welcome in Iraq, that's why the Sunni chiefs are siding with the US, this is a major development.

Btw how do you get the hell out and rebuild their (Iraqi) lives at the same time?

Regards,

Steve

And, just think--peoples tax dollars pay millions and millions for President Doofus's security... and the rest of the bush admins wealth, came from the billions stolen from Iraq!! Gosh, even Tony Blair is on the chopping block--first PM ever in the history of the UK--to be investigated(or, prob the first caught really)

talk about adding salt and vinegar to a wound, eh?

To the poster of 186 with some sort of mental block regarding this war, the answer to his inane, absurd question is, money! When the invaders provide the necessary funding for reconstruction of infrastructure and rehabilitation of broken lives, others in the region are quite capable of doing the work. It doesn't necessarily have to be Americans! And the sooner the better!

That is how you can the hell out of there and rebuild!

Any other dumb question!

I see... others in the region, you mean Iran or Syria, or the UN? Sorry I'm so dense, the other nation thing threw me. Since many of us are not at your level of wisdom, instead of personal attacks which you have mastered so well over the years, why don't you lay out a 5 or 10 point rebuilding plan with specifics.

And since most likely an Iranian or Tailiban type regime will take over Iraq, have you figured out a way to make sure the money will be used to rebuild broken lives instead of rebuilding Al Qaeda and the other Jihadists armies ?

I wonder if you can actually respond without punching the wall?

yo dude! damn! i warned u about ur antsiness!

whoahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!....

Sometimes...being registered 'non-partisan' sucks.

I get to choose between two people in Nov. 2008.
I 'believe' my vote will count, shame on me.

Don't bore me with write-ins. Newt or Newter.

You break it, you fix it. Didn't you read Ann Landers for long time?

Premature pull-outs.
A cure for every dis-ease.
Men can't go the long haul anymore.
A women in charge is a woman satisfied.
The Democrats will be strong on defense and
the only offense to be seen will be Bill in a skirt.

uncle tree ..that is funny! damn! a horny Bill in a what? whoa!

A message to the amigos of faith and unreason and to those who are not very good at clear thinking. This one is not even from Dawkins, but from the original musketeer of reason.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.)”
Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection

Skeptish--nice #193! Gave me the shivers...

Skeptisch when you are going to get out from under the skirt of Dawgma?

Keep it up, one day the bamboozled will have it's day.

Btw, you think Beckham in the states is a good or bad thing? The stadium where he hangs is just a few miles from where I work.

Cheers,

Steve