The bigger the brain, the bigger the ego.

If we could literally put our heads together...

So...let's see if I have this straight.

My heart has an ego that is different than

the ego my brain tells me I have.

Unify the two egos, hmmm....scrambled.

I guess I'll wait for the second course before I start eating.

The time to ham it up is now.

Quick! Before it all dissolves into thin air.

You know Avtar somebody out there was pondering that exact question, good timing, and I thought it was informative.

As for "Our thought patterns are based on belief systems that we have created for ourselves since we were children."~Avtar

I have a different perspective, that we were indoctrinated and conditioned with beliefs. By those that benefited if we entertained these beliefs. In other words if we bought into the collective story without question we were rewarded.

Of course there are those that through grace of some sort saw through the fictions, started to question things, they dumped the mind society had created for them and began to build their own. Some people call them rebels and geniuses.

Anyone that questioned the fictions was ostracized and penalized. The problem with the big story is that it resulted in a disparity of wealth. Of course the people that generated the most wealth from the popular story worked hard to maintain the story line. For example that there is scarcity in the world and a lack of resources, or you show your love by how big a diamond you buy.

Of course the secret to destroying the ego, is when one gets fed up with all the conflict produced and goes searching. They come to know everything is really them in disguise and there is no one to compete with, because it is really all one creature with ten thousand eyes.

Thank you Avtar.

So the ego is the world sifted.

I used to work with a beautiful older woman and her memory was quite poor. She'd constantly say, "My brain is just like a sieve, tell me again." Later my boss told me I should be like her ... go home and have 2 cocktails every night. She was one of the nicest people I ever worked with. Life messages -- like laughter of the Gods.

Keith, you obviously eat well. You only leave the bones. There's enough acid in your stomach to dissolve even those. Go for it! (ducks)

Seriously, ahem, no one says it better than you, at least that's how it seems to me. It's the fact that I'm never quite sure about that that tells me that.

Brit regards, man.

Hey Ed! Try this sentence exchange.

"I feel therefore I am." = "...a (mis)understanding."
"Ego is a product of the mind."
"Ego is not a heart-based method of understanding the world."

In between heartbeats and thoughts, lie I.

This looks like a fight between the left and the right
brain.
Or between a man and a woman.

Deepak should get creative and write something like this:

.

Thought is the brain's three milliards
Of cells from the inside out.
Billions of games of billiards
Marked up as Faith and Doubt.

My Faith, but their collisions;
My logic, their enzymes;
Their pink epinephrin, my visions;
Their white epinephrin, my crimes.

Since I am the felt arrangement
Of ten to the ninth times three,
Each atom in its estrangement
Must yet be prophetic of me.

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Aldous Huxley, "Island" 1962

when it comes to ego..."Me against the world"...

bushman's ego...filtered thru cheney's... has proved tragically costly to many...not just americans and iraqis... and strangely...those 3 loyal amigos continue to remain unphased by all this...odd!

Ego is a product of the mind then why there exist some widespread misunderstandings about what the ego and egoless-ness or dissolution of the ego mean?
What is Ego? Why & How to dissolve it? – A Scientific Perspective: Are you sure Avtar Singh what you are writing has the real meaning?
Reading this people creates an urge to say: knowledge becomes a barrier for realizing the truth.
Whenever any Buddha speaks about the truth has completely different flavor then what a knower says the same truth. There is no way to repeat the words of any Buddha. When you become Buddha, it is impossible to repeat the words of Buddha. You become unique as you are.

I kinda enjoy my ego.
Why should I dissolve it?
If it is to attain enlightenment or some super level of consciousness, I'm sure I'll get there in time. It could take awhile.
But for now it's too fun being me.

derek

The more we try to explain things the further away from them we get.

Avtar,
Interesting post! Some good definitions. I'm glad you included a definition of bodily consciousness or human being. Within my experience, the ego is correlated with the obsolete notion or concept of (human being). When the personal (localized) perception of self is replaced with a more realistic universal (non-local) perception of self the ego which is a byproduct of body awareness disintegrates. The unified field (pure potential) differentiates into an infinity of focal points of intelligence concentrations. Localized behaviors of the infinite field create freeze frames of illusion. Absolutely everything is a holographic representation of the infinite universe. When the universal self within becomes awake or activated then pure, infinite potential becomes the frame of reference rather than a localized human conception that is subject to the limitations of a localized mind.
Todd

To me, the ego is not an 'I' but an 'IT'. It is the ego that is separate from All that is, not the
I. It is the ego that causes the mind to create duality. The ego will always fight to preserve the illusion of a separate I. Transcending the ego is the fun part of life.

~~Love~~
bonnie

from doodooman:

"The more we try to explain things the further away from them we get."

wow...what a resident genius! really, dude! damn!

Absolutely everything (objective or subjective) is the dream of The Infinite Consciousness. There are an infinity of worlds within every particle of what we perceive including ourselves. The entire universe is present within every particle of creation that has ever manifested both subtle and gross. Wake up to the fact that you are the infinite universe and all of creation conspires to fulfill the intentions that flow through you. Take off the mask of the body-mind freeze frames. Your true identity is none other than the universe itself.
Todd

Yo Diablo
I do my best. This may be old news but then why is everyone still trying to explain things or prove something?

Todd
I'm not sure if you are refering to me. If so or if not so, what comes after someone has taken off their mask and realizes their true identity?

Just curious.

derek

Derek,
Experience yourself as the universe. With that comes peace, joy, ecstacy, silence and stillness emanating from your infinite, unbounded nature.
Todd (The Universe)

Todd
Sounds like a good place to get to.

derek

correction.....a good place to be.

I'd like to make a few comments relating to what level 17 said in his postings (10 & 13). I've been reading about how this Age that we are living in is about ushering in a higher state of consciousness (identification with non-local or Universal Mind).

Love is the basic building block, so when one has love, all possibilities exist. It is all about bringing back the concepts of Light - which are information and love - which is creativity. Love is the key. Love is what makes up the universe.

The present technology on Earth will only develop to a certain extent because mankind does not yet understand that love is necessary (mankind is still ego bound). Energy can take all forms of creativity, but when one is dealing with greed or hatred or any emotion that is not working toward Light, one is allowed to go only so far. There is only so much information that is available to that sort of Vibration.

Our mass consciousness is supposed to be moving into a Higher Level of Vibration which will bring about the healing of the planet and a new Cosmic Consciousness.

Love/Peace,

Betsy

I got the, comments held back to curb malicious content message.

If I have offended people here I appologize. My intent is not to offend.

derek

another correction,.....it is not my intent to offend.

For anyone who is interested in finding out more about what is presently occurring - our moving into a higher vibrational level and an awareness of Universal Consciousness (non-local Mind), I would like to share with you the following reference:

This is a film which Aurora C. told me about. The most current version of the trailer is 10 mins. long. You can find it on: www.youtube.com.
Search the title: Time of the Sixth Sun

The filmmakers traveled all over the world in order to film it. It shares the wisdom of many cultures and gives testimonials of many learned people about what is happening to mankind in this stage of his development.

Love/Peace,

Betsy

Derek: You can't dissolve a product of the Mind.

The only thing we should be diluting is the 'solution' itself.

That's how the sacraments get themselves purified.
Same goes for us. Why get rid of the best parts?
They have to 'be' for somebody, why not us?

Self-centered, greedy, selfish people say, "I deserve the good stuff."
And then, it's take, take, take...

Ego takes, Heart gives.

Peace, Keith~

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Todd: I resent being called obsolete. That's what they call
last years parts when they are shelved. I'm the shelf-keeper.

What you wowed me with in #13, is the way you brought me
into
your mind, told me something which I could relate to,
and left me wondering just what it was you said.
Every time I read it, the same thing happens!
Apparently, I know what you mean and my ego won't admit it.

.

"Betsy": I bet you would enjoy Harb Singh's book,
"The Self Designed Universe". He really thought about
what you are saying and thinking, before he wrote it down.

.

No offense, Avtar. I hoe yogi-one gets you what you want here.

.

Raise That Ham Bone! And smile! Wheeeeeeh!
Ha!.................Gotcha.

I really liked this write-up Avtar. Thank you.

Love, Char

Dear Friends:
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Following are some answers to your questions:

Dear A-Man=No-Mind

#7: “Ego is a product of the mind then why there exist some widespread misunderstandings about what the ego and egoless-ness or dissolution of the ego mean?”
Ego or mind is schizophrenic; it fragments the One wholesome reality into conflicting and contradictory pieces that cause the misunderstandings listed above.

“……knowledge becomes a barrier for realizing the truth.”
I am sure you are not promoting ignorance as a substitute for knowledge and as a bliss or help in realizing the truth.
A better way to say is that – “Knowledge that enhances the ego (beliefs, convictions, mind-set etc.) is a barrier for realizing the truth; the knowledge that enhances the understanding of “What is Ego? Why & How to dissolve it?” is a help (not a barrier) for realizing the truth. Knowledge is only a tool; how it is used, determines whether it is a barrier or help.
The barrier to truth is the ego and not the knowledge per se, which is only a tool. Ego is the mis-user of the knowledge.
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Dear Derek:

#8: “If it is to attain enlightenment or some super level of consciousness, I'm sure I'll get there in time. It could take awhile…..But for now it's too fun being me.”

No doubt, ego gives instant and temporal gratification or fun…..if that’s what you are looking for in life.

But do not wait for time and evolution to attain enlightenment or some super level of consciousness. If you understand the scientific basis of the arrow of time and evolution, it is the direction of increasing entropy (suffering), chaos, uncertainty, and complexity with the only and definitely certain outcome – death or the ultimate demise.

Most people misunderstand evolution as a progressive enhancement or progress of the body/mind, but science tells you that it is just the opposite i.e. devolution as far as the psyche is concerned. Evolution is like a sugar-coated slow-death poison pill that is a product of the ego. The whole effort of spirituality is to stop the curse of clock, time, and evolution.

Sorry, I do not mean to spoil your fun with the ego……just a friendly wake-up call.

#9: “The more we try to explain things the further away from them we get.”

Ignorance (of the ego –what it is and how it works) is not a bliss even if may sound like it. Please also see my response to #7 above.

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Dear Todd:

Agree with your following statements:
#10: “When the universal self within becomes awake or activated then pure, infinite potential becomes the frame of reference rather than a localized human conception that is subject to the limitations of a localized mind.”
#13: “Your true identity is none other than the universe itself.”
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Dear Betsy:

#18: “Our mass consciousness is supposed to be moving into a Higher Level of Vibration which will bring about the healing of the planet and a new Cosmic Consciousness.”

Please see my comments to #8 above regarding evolution of consciousness.
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Love & Peace
Avtar

Hey Avtar!

I am disappointed and something is amiss in my demeanor.

I hate to see you get bumped like that.
Check the administrations schedule next time
and try to post here on a slow day, if you
want to find a scientist who has lost his way.

There are a few defenders here, but I've seen no professionals.

Evolution is the ego's fault.
The evolution of the psyche runs backwards.
Gaining self-consciousness was a chaotic mistake.

Try to spoil a monkey's fun, for they are not self-conscious.
I can tell this method worked for you.

Quote: "The whole effort of spirituality is to stop
the curse of clock, time and evolution."

That is an opinion, my friend.

I know folks who wish to stop World War III from happening.

Peace, love, understanding, innocence, freedom, joy, abundant life...

I thought these were goals worth pursuing.

The evolution of homo sapiens will stop when
the last babe is born into this world.

The last man standing will not be cursed.
He will be doing the cursing,
and it will be directed towards scientific progress.

Evolution will not save him.
It is too slow and lacks legs.

Metaphorically speaking, ego is like the air trapped in a balloon where as self is the air that spreads everywhere. The air inside the balloon is localized and is distinguishable from the air in another balloon and from the air outside. It keeps its identity as it floats. Once the balloon is broken, the air inside merges with the air everywhere and loses its identity. So, to dissolve ego, the balloon (the illusion that I am not the unified self) has to be broken.

If ego is a product of mind, then who is saying ego or mind is schizophrenic. Avtar Singh is an Ego or Mind or “Knowledge that enhances the ego (beliefs, convictions, mind-set etc.) is a barrier for realizing the truth; the knowledge that enhances the understanding of “What is Ego? Why & How to dissolve it?”
“The barrier to truth is the ego and not the knowledge per se”- where this knowledge stored in Avtar Singh?
“Which is only a tool. Ego is the mis-user of the knowledge.” - If it is only tool then how ego can miss-user of the knowledge.
In reality Ego doesn’t exist. Avtar Singh exists. The process to dissolve ego is not to know- it is ‘not-knowing’ process- the only technique exist since thousands of years is Meditation. In meditation first time you start to loose your mind-ego.
More you know or the more you have knowledge the bigger ego is there and you give less possibility to realize the truth. It is well-known that million of philosophers, scientist, writers, kings and thousands of knower in history of man kind comes and contribute there knowledge but only few like a son of a carpenter Jesus, a king Siddhartha, a Nanak, a king’s wife Mira, a Kabir, a priest Ramakrishna and there are many more examples, who realize the truth not because they were knowledgeable people. It needs guts to go beyond mind, to go beyond the mechanism of mind. There are spiritual teacher who thinks that discovering the question: WHAI IS ENLIGHTENMENT? Will understand one day what is it. Thousand will come and thousand will go.
Don’t miss Avatar Singh. There is no other way. Einstein misses the possibility to realize truth even he has discovered the greatest truth of matter.

Did I hear someone growling?

Talking about a Self Designed Universe:

Programming 3D worlds can really give you the universal feeling you know:

Program - Mosc
Programmer - Movc
Interpreter - Movc
Interpreted - Mopc
Witnesser - Mosc

The light is always curling back to itself.

Making 3D worlds and programming them is a great way to get entangled in your own universe lol.

In the end it is all about velocity and you can program your own velocity in the x,y and z direction. You can even teleport yourself in a jiffy to the other side of your galaxy!

Isn't it all about velocity?

When Big Bang occurred everything expanded with the speed of light. The Ego wants everything back, preferably with the same speed of light.

When you learn how to program your own velocity, the whole universe flows with you.

Love, Mieke

Dear Avtar
Everything in nature is temporary. Even our sun was born from chaos, compressed dust from stars that lived and died before it. Will it not be happy until it has scattered it's dust to rejoin the emptiness? Or can it fully enjoy what it is while it is burning?

I am just another part of the universe awake for a moment, enjoying my moment. Someday just like everything else that has ever existed my dust will be scattered back into the earth to nurish it. From this nurishment a new life will emerge. It's just cycles. And eventually all cycles will fade.

I really enjoy me and find much fulfillment in my life. Even the so called suffering. To me suffering is just another expierence.
I find it better, for me, to enjoy my time here. Fully expierence everything I can. Because no matter how long I live I only live right now. What comes after that, I don't know.
Everything to me is temporary and ever changing. All the more reason to enjoy everything while it is here.

This may be a primitive way to think but it is the way I think.

I appreciate your response and respect your belief.

peace

derek

Derek,
To allow the universe to flow through you unimpeded without the resistance of the body/mind (EGO) is to live naturally. In fact, others who have experienced some version of this state of freedom (enlightenment) call it The Natural State. Derek you have a very (natural) way about you and your interaction with the universe itself shows in much of your writing.
Todd

Dear Derek,
To live in the present moment allows for every expression of what's going on in the world, and within ourselves - and not fight with what Is.
(that's not to say one can't take up a cause, or work to change what is limiting or hurtful. A sense of justice - often propels one to seek change).

Dear Todd,
(post # 15)
We do mirror the universe, and sometimes - the universe outside is turbulent, stormy, and full of change and upheaval.
The challenge (imo) - is to find the changeless within the changing, and thereby
discover what mystics, and seekers have sought since .... time began ...

Love,
~ Kate

Todd
In my understanding the universe doesn't flow through anything. There is no where for it to flow to because it is already there.
I am just apart of this everything.

I have not known anyone personally who is in this Natural State. I am curious what thier experience is after reaching this state.

Thank you Todd, writing here is me getting out of one of my biggest boxes. I am usually a very quiet person and express myself through the visual arts.

peace and respect

derek

Dear Derek,
The natural state is wonderful!
(perhaps, you have had many moments of being in It :-)
love,
~ Kate

doodooman states...

"Thank you Todd, writing here is me getting out of one of my biggest boxes." shhh dude..this is a family show!

Yo Diablo........haven't we done this box thing before?

Dear Kate
Perhaps I have.

peace and love

derek

Dr.Singh

This is a very thought provoking post. We have all heard the example of a cup of water from the ocean being identical, physically and chemically, to the ocean. We are, in essence, identical to our Source. Just as each part of a hologram contains the entire hologram, so do we contain our Source.

Understanding this intellectually and actually experiencing it is a different matter. How many people, other than the enlightened masters, have actually experienced this? Our minds directed by our egos, develop a type of arrogance, if you will, and we forget where we come from. If you describe yourself as _________(fill in the blank) you don't know true Oneness.

Due to our egos, we all have short term memory loss in order to give ourselves the glorious experience of life on the physical plane. We will all live in the paradox of being One and being separate until we don't. In the meantime, as we become more conscious and 'tuned in' to the Oneness we know in our hearts is there, the more we will love all that is.

"And, in the end the love you take is equal to the love you lend"..The Beatles

~~Love~~
bonnie

no dude...u haven't done the box gig before...it's the first time and it's also play on words...and i do forgive u if u're a little slow to catch on! damn, dude!

Dear Avtar,

You have stated, "Science teaches that devolution is the rule as far as the psyche is concerned ... The whole effort of spirituality is to stop the curse of the clock, time, and evolution." I was unaware of science having taken that stand. I have, however, heard of some who have agreed with this premise. A man named Michaael Cremo has written books about this matter. He has written "Forbidden Archeology" and "Human Devolution: a Vedic Alternative to Darwin's Theory".

I agree with you that, "Ego is not a heart-based method of understanding the world. Ego is a product of the mind." I have read "The Temple of Man" by Rene Schwaller deLubicz and it has been his belief through the intensive study of the hermetic philosophy of the Egyptian culture that they were fully aware of the Consciousness of the Heart (the Intuitive faculty) as opposed to the rational processes of the human brain or the limited consciousness of the bodily self.

I fully agree that there has been a devolution of human awareness since the time of the cultures (Vedic, hermetic Egyptian and those representative of inspired spiritual awareness).

Love/Peace,

Betsy

Dear Keith,

Thank you very much for the information about "The Self Designed Universe" by Harb Singh. I would have thanked you sooner had I been near a computer but, I appreciate very much your info. I don't have access to the book currently but, I will try to locate it one of these days.

Love/Peace,

Betsy