The land of control-know-logic
The dry-face of thinking
The gold of causal-answers

From unknown, that is
A "is" unknown
Is it real? Where is it?

The head aware of it
Seeing it as it is; empty
Labeling it; not

Despaired of his own incompleteness
Between the poles of conversations
Is energy-fear

As powerful-cleaning-agent
The protective-armours fails
The uncontrollable-knowledge-dissolution begins...

Dear Avtar,

I think the title to your piece is misleading.
-A True(capital T)-Guru's Perspective: Part 2

Bring with you a True-Scientist to support your
hypothesis
that the ego is as measurable as tightly-bound mass entities.

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You have stated your philosophy of the human condition,
and "just as" you say, just as I am, that.

I do not come to surrender as the incredible shrinking man.
My cup was not full to begin with. It was empty.

I know what it feels like to be a claustrophobic.
A balloon does not require pure oxygen in order to expand.
And indeed, the balloon was created to fill a mission,
as also the needle serves a worthwhile and utilitarian purpose.

To reach out--
to expand my awareness to its utmost limits.

The desire--
to reach those limits and trespass into the heavens,
out of spite and in spite of myself and my circumstances.

I've landed on my ass many a time when the rug was
pulled out from under my feet without warning.
Cats land on all fours, and dogs land on their snouts.

Now I am placing a ladder on top of the rug.
I know the risks involved in tackling the slippery slopes.
Bum naked into sweltering heat and unbearable cold
I go with my eyes wide open and my inner mouth shut.

But I go, nevertheless, always for more,
to fill the vessel with love until I spill over with compassion.

Hello Avtar and Everyone,

I do not think that even the Masters dissolve the ego, the ego is transcended, subsumed by the re-member-ed Self. The ego continues on -doing what it does, it simply becomes so insignificant a voice compared to the Commander and Chief it once was that it might as well be dissolved, it's voice is now a whisper that the Self pats lovingly on it's chirpy little head, the Self knows the part that ego has played in this game of hide and seek and it includes, always, never excludes, even ego.

have a great day, ruth

Ruth,
The ego really isn't a thing. You might say that ego is a behavior or a transient mental construct. Behaviors can be transformed or even replaced. So I wouldn't really say the ego is always remaining when infinite consciousness becomes your awareness. One way of experiencing the universe is replaced with a more holistic all inclusive way. Perhaps in the beginning when universal awareness overtakes ego (body) consciousness the (memory) of the recently overturned dictator of separation, illusion and fear remains. The deeper the experience of the universal self the lesser the memory patterns of ego flashing in your awareness.
Todd

Todd
"Perhaps in the beginning when universal awareness overtakes ego (body) consciousness the (memory) of the recently overturned dictator of separation, illusion and fear remains."

I've been telling my wife that I stepped out of the end of a tunnel but I can still feel it behind me. I am in the sun but just outside the tunnel. This is the feeling I get when I read your above words. My thought is, I am still aware of a self outside the tunnel. I brought what I thought was my ego, my self awareness, out of the tunnel. Am I confusing self awareness with ego?

"The deeper the experience of the universal self the lesser the memory patterns of ego flashing in your awareness."

This line caught my attention as well.

When I am painting there comes a point where I lose sense of the physical world, and thoughts only quietly pass through mostly unnoticed. It's kind of like a dream state but I am awake. Even though my physical body and my thoughts are so faint, I am incredibly aware of myself and what I'm doing.

So my question is if I pop this balloon does my awareness of self dissolve?

Keith
Thank you for sharing what spills over.

peace

derek

Hello Avtar and Everyone,

from Nisargadatta...

"I speak to you in the language that was yours before words were first introduced to you. However, you have to understand the meaning in the language that you have learned."

have a great day everyone ruth

Dear Avtar,

I really liked this write-up, as well as all of them.

It's interesting as I cannot seem to get from point A to B, even though there is no travel.

For example, as you stated:

"Our ego cannot control everything but only control our experiences, perceptions, conclusions in the present, and the way we choose to live. The masters never relied on the fate of time and the external forces of evolution to dissolve the veil of the ego and awaken the consciousness. They liberated the individual human being from the bodily clutches of the ego and its afflictions of entropy, time and environment – the other – the duality."

I read it like ... yep, that's exactly what I am trying to accomplish as it relates to all that the ego can control, while I thought to myself, what could be better?

However, I think when we experience intolerable pain, then one starts to look for comfort or peace, which I think leads one to desiring freedom from bondage.

Personally, I cannot picture a life without a body, (i.e., what would that be like? how would I manage? is it really better? what if all our friends are bond to the physical body, how can we communicate, which certain must be painful in and of itself? how much of ourself to we take with us? how close to God will we be? if too close to oneness, then we might disappear? and lots of etcs.) Yes, I suppose it sounds like fear of the unknown. Like a baby taking it's first steps, it wants to make sure that it can stand and see what that is like, as it does bring the baby closer to freedom. I also find that very interesting about what you say about a Guru's assistance.

Anyway, the guys here at work need some things, so I've gotta run.

Love, Char

Dear Friends:

Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Following are some answers to your questions:
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Dear Ruth & Todd:

Agree with #3, #4, and #6. Well said.

Holistic Relativity provides a scientific explanation of the ego and ego-lessness. Scientifically speaking, each particle of matter simultaneously exists in complimentary states of either mass or energy wave. This is known as the principle of wave-particle complimentarity. Such mass-energy complimentarity is also expressed mathematically by the well-known Einstein’s theory of relativity formula E=mC2.

Similar to the mass-energy complimentarity, there exists the body-mind-consciousness complimentarity as described by the non-duality principle of spirituality. In everyday language, we describe mass dissolving or transforming into energy as a process happening in time and space. But the mass-energy principle of physics states that both states exist simultaneously and it is the consciousness of the observer or the measuring device that collapses the energy wave into particle while it carries out the measurement or observation. Similarly, it is the consciousness (or lack of it) of the observer’s mind that perceives the human existence as the body or consciousness. Most of us are not fully conscious or aware of our fundamental existence as pure consciousness energy. This lack of awareness is caused by the ego due to its self-made limitations of beliefs, convictions, fixations, cultural, and religious dogmas etc.

The dissolution of the ego is only the dissolution of the boundary walls of our convictions, beliefs, and fixations to expand the awareness to the universal consciousness. The dissolution of the boundary walls of the ego allows inclusion of all the awareness that was earlier excluded by the ego boundaries. This leads to the total mindfulness that spans the universal consciousness as Todd rightly puts it –
“To allow the universe to flow through you unimpeded without the resistance of the body/mind (EGO….”

More to come on this subject matter in my future posts.
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Dear Char4:

#7: “Personally, I cannot picture a life without a body, (i.e., what would that be like? how would I manage? ……. if too close to oneness, then we might disappear? and lots of etcs.) Yes, I suppose it sounds like fear of the unknown.”

You are right: there is no life without a body. However, we just need to realize that body/mind/consciousness is just One Whole continuum. Our ego would limit us to believe that only body/mind and its perceptions are only realities. This separates us from the Truth – the wholesome Oneness and this separation creates fear, loneliness, and threat for survival against the unknown. Hence, dissolution of the ego boundaries also dissolves the fear as it dissolves the unknown other via realizing that it is all One.

You said: “I think when we experience intolerable pain, then one starts to look for comfort or peace, which I think leads one to desiring freedom from bondage.”

This is what Guru Nanak said:
“When in pain and suffering, everyone remembers God; if one remembers God in good and happy times then why would there be any pain and suffering?”

Bottom line, we keep on waiting until it is too late. Our egos mislead us with false and temporal promises for the brighter future.
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Love & Peace
Avtar

Ego is the eggshell of my chickdom. Don't knock it til the chick starts chipping and chirping. Mother Hen will recycle it.
If you clip my wings, how can I fly?
.....Humpty Dumpty had a great fall, all the king's horses, all the king's men, couldn't put Humpty together again. Mother Hen could, though!

I am one of all that, now, you, too.

I land on ice with comic procedure. The thaw of compassion makes it awful slippy, Keith. I might just take off again as if nothing had happened.

Bottoms up, brother.

Many many years ago, at an old Indian campsite, out on the plains, south of Lusk, Wyoming, I remember hearing the spirit of a very wise Native American Indian speaking through a trance medium,and the spirit said,

"We must put the ego behind us and never speak to him or about him again"

Kind REgards,
Stan

Many many years ago, at an old Indian campsite, out on the plains, south of Lusk, Wyoming, I remember hearing the spirit of a very wise Native American Indian speaking through a trance medium,and the spirit said,

"We must put the ego behind us and never speak to him or about him again"

Kind REgards,
Stan

dude...u begin to worry me when u start talking about hearing spirits talking...

u sure u are not on some kind of mind-altering substance? dude! damn!

Diablo,

I was also worried, and rather scared, but remember, I said the spirit was speaking through a "trance medium" who also happened to be an old Native American Indian. In retrospect, the message was the important thing, not the messenger.

Stan

yeah, sure!