(All) things fuse together ultimately (especially nature and spirit). Forms and phenomena are no match for the unifying power of the void (self).
This unification will appear to speed up dramatically (everywhere).
Deepak's unification is pure brilliance. Einstein knew this but had a shadow of Deepak's pure unification power.
(Trust me)
Todd

The fusion of spirit/energy/matter into one indivisible infinity point is what this is all about. This fusion into a single consciousness for lack of a better word is inevitable. It is a component of nature itself. Obviously Deepak has the key.
Todd

Thanks for this series, Deepak. I hope you have been following the comments.
I think we've brought up a few points that might help you on your quest.

Dogma...I don't like that word for some reason.
I don't really know what you mean by it in this context.
Theology is based on the written word, a history of past thought,
past actions, and the consequences of those actions.

Dogma might then mean: taking a sentence from here or there
and using it out of context. Someone help me, please,
is that the correct usage of the word?

.

Religion should be personal, but God must needs be impersonal.
Do I understand you correctly?
To the general Christian you would then propose something like this?

"Skip over Jesus the mediator, you need no go-between.
Go directly to God, the impersonal transcendent One.
I don't mean for you to bother God with your troubles,
God doesn't care for you personally. God pays
no attention whatsoever to single entities.

Your memories of past "Aha!" moments are forgettable,
excuse them...they are now unimportant.

Nature is simple, therefore if you feel the need
to worship something...well, there you go.
That's who created you, and you are part of that.

If you want to go a step further, there is no unique, special you.
The Bible says, "I am that I am and besides me there is no other."
No other...that means no you, no me and no them.
All is God, including you. Please, don't take this personally.
Just meditate...silently..."Be still and know that I am God."

I'm not putting words in your mouth, Deepak.
I am just trying to understand where you are taking this.
Nothing personal. Love you! Keith

The fact of the matter is most everyone is fighting the currents of the cosmos (nature) in order to hold onto belief patterns that are socially induced. The scientific dynamic of just your body holds all the answers to everything as well as unimaginable power. Most of the elements in our bodies (carbon, iron, oxygen) were produced in supernova explosions. Find that memory within your body. It is there. Interpenetrate with the cosmos (nature) and the universe will be as your body surrounding the core spiritual self.
Todd

Todd: Are we to rely on our faulty memories?
You are asking us to remember way, way back when.

Dissolution...then penetration takes an inner course.

Btw, I've been following what you've said the last two days.
Besides here, where else do you discuss metaphysics?
With family and friends? Co-workers? Strangers?

Just wandering, L7. Peace bro! Keith

Keith,
Life is an ongoing cosmic self interaction with itself if that makes any sense. I don't discuss metaphysics. (I demonstrate). Embrace everything within you and trust the divine center (source) to reorganize what you think of as you (thought, energy, spirit).
Todd

Todd,

It does.
I do both.
You are with me.
Personal coach, eh?
Thinking body all along,

Keith

Well, all that's great and wonderful, but if one is not connected and they do not know whether or not they are connected to God or the Source, I would like to recommend my own personal experience of our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for those who were lost, i.e., cannot connect or bridge the gap.

The Lord Jesus Christ will fill that gap as a bridge from self to Self, as promised in the Bible, i.e., he has already done it. All we have to do is to believe and know this to be true by accepting Jesus Christ as our PERSONAL Savior.

Now, if one is already connected to God, then they don't need the Lord Jesus Christ. I am only sharing with those who have tried and have not found our Great, Good, and Loving God, who is personal to those who seek Him thru Jesus.

A personal God is very real and Jesus Christ makes it possible.

May the Lord God Jesus Christ touch your hearts, so that you know He is waiting to help all who desire to really feel God's love.

This is my PERSONAL belief and it shall never die, but only grow, which can and will and does expand to understand another's experience of God.

When I am down and lost, I know that I can pray thru Jesus Christ, as I ask for God's help and God will answer as my sins are covered in the blood. Otherwise, there would be no hope, nor salvation for me. So if others do not fit this mode, then please do continue as is and be well.

God Bless,
and Love,
Char

I hear my Father and I hear His Holy Angels sing of His GREATNESS. No one can take this from me and all can have it, if they choose. All we have to do is listen, as God speaks continually to the little children....just like it is promised in the Bible. It's always gentle as we all hear in a way that we can accept.

Daily, I hear, "I love you. God is faithful. God loves the whole-wide world."

This is a beautiful personal God, who is both our Father as well as the Creator of all. I thought Deepak believed this from the books I have read of his, as well as from his own words this last 5 years.

I was told something about five years ago and now I understand. I was told to save one person and now I believe that that person has been my honored teacher who does not know our personal Lord and Savior. Now I reach out to my beloved teacher with the greatest of respect and deepest of sadness I say this.

God Loves All and only a personal God can love and does love His creation, as we were created in His image as we love as He loves.

I am sorry and apologize in advance for my childishness, but I do believe I that maybe my journey has come to an end.

May God Bless All!

Love, Char

Char
I respect you and your belief. Also that you can articulate that belief, unlike some here.
Although mine is different I believe yours is just as real and relevant as mine. To find what resonates with your soul is the truth.
Regardless of what me or anyone says here you must follow your heart and I admire anyone with the guts to speak thier truth with such conviction. More than I can say for myself.

Childish are the people who can not accept and are threatened by your belief.

peace and love to you Char

derek

Deepak, thanks for articulating it all so beautifully. Most of what you wrote in this series resonated with me, and some of it didn't, and I've come to realize that it's due to where I am in my journey.

Char: all your writings have come from a very pure, innocent place within you, and I have appreciated them all. I'm not sure what you mean by "maybe my journey has come to an end", but I wanted to repeat a couple of Deepak's points that may be relevant:
"--Your God is the ultimate perfection of your vision of life.
...
--In your search for our source, don't pay so much attention to fixed beliefs and past experience. Go back, over and over, to the simplicity of Nature at its most beautiful and inspiring. "

I think it's clear that in Deepak's vision of God, there is space for yours. Peace.

"This is only the barest sketch of where Einstein was pointing, but to me the map is valid. We are all familiar with the opposite way, which leads to inner conflict, anger, and anxiety."

I guess it's too stresful to "Proclaim Freedom Throughout the Lands."

Is it a "holding belief" to believe in freedom and liberty? Apparently it's a quaint and outmoded dogma.

Free will is so pre-Einstein!

I'm glad he was able to escape Nazi Germany to live in the US to freely and openly explore his theories about pretty much everything.

Steve

Steve

Dr. Chopra:

In the vast wisdom of the many Saints, prophets and gurus - some exclusivist, some honest, and some divisive - the topic of 'One' belief or system has been a never ending one.

You have used the example of Einstein's love and belief in order and harmony as the central argument to discuss yet another angle to "One" system or belief (albeit of Secular Spirituality).

Beneath the many varied world, is a central protagonist in an infinite form, yet the diversity of the creation is unmistakable.

Is diversity in existence then a hindrance to One "way" or a necessity of it?

Yes, secular spirituality indeed looks like the "right" answer.... but is it (1) possible and (2) desirable?

Beliefs are not a qualification of the Eternal truth - that remains what it is.. irrespective of how it is characterized! Beliefs are level at which the believer is. It is indicative NOT of the Truth (which is absolute and Eternal) but an indicator of the Believer's state in the grand scheme of things.

Some cannot but belief in inconsistencies to fulfill their desires or camouflage their guilts... some would not. Everyone attains that what he/she wishes.

If one can only believe in a personal god... in a limited manner... then that is what the soul yearns for. This is not a judgment on the soul but a statement.. dispassionate statement. Neither right nor wrong.

Thanks again for such a splendid effort. I wish someday I could listen to you in person!

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Speaking of organized religion, I noticed a nice quote from Deepak that appears in a little booklet called Jewels of Elul vol. 3

Elul is the Hewbrew month just before the Jewish New Year which is a time of reflection in preparation for the Jewish High Holidays.

I think it's nice Deepak that you lent your name to this lovely booklet in preparation for Jews.

In this spirit I along with Deepak wish everyone a sweet and good New Year.

The transcendent is so close, so right here, so obvious, so natural, so ever-present and known to us, that it is amazing that so many of us don't see it. The transcendent IS the most immanent thing! :))))

Deepak, thank you for continuing to express truth, with such beauty and intelligence.

For me it is both easy and almost impossibly hard.

I must put myself in the sandals of the one Brother who went the whole way.
Now, how do I feel, stripped naked and nailed? Ah, it's the 'void' of Todd. I sensed it all along and called it God and then could continue on my own sweet way, avoiding it like the 'grave.' But the paradox is, that I can't avoid It. (Todd again) I can only bring It fully alive. Deep hush.

One question to dwell on for the paradox:-

Would that be suicide?

Nailed and naked am I.

Don't damage the sandals!

Deepak,

Sounds like a recipe, people can believe what they want it doesn't change my truth and no beliefs are required for being.

I missed you in Cleveland, I ended up doing my thing and then driving back on Saturday. I needed to get a bunch of stuff done for Monday, otherwise I would have stayed Sunday. Of course that didn't happen either, I never know what God has planned till the last minute.

Sunday I unexpectedly found myself beside a lake on a windy day and there was a sail boat, an event waiting to happen except I don't know how to sail. I was offered a sailing lesson. I asked what is the main principle is. She said don’t sail into the wind always keep at an angle. I said great I will build off of that.

I said okay then, I’ll go out by myself. She said are you sure? Of course I thought it only requires faith. She promised to come out and tow me back in if I got stranded and warned me not to let it capsize, but didn’t explain what to do to prevent that though. I quickly learned the first time it began to happen. So next thing you know I am sailing, perfectly, it’s a very spiritual activity. In fact I would prescribe it for depression if I were a doctor rather than some drug.

I soon learned I was at the whim of the wind and God in fact he was probably doing the sailing as well since I don’t know how, I was just along for the ride letting it happen of course but it did seem to conform with my intentions. I just followed the impulses.

Scientists would claim that the know how is in my genes since my grandfather was in the Navy they are probably correct as well, in fact sailing is probably in all of our genes waiting for expression.

The wind is like God, and I suppose there was a God lesson in this.

Don’t turn to face God and worship him, you will be dead in the waters, keep him at an angle, preferably behind you so he can fill your sails and power your journey. All you need to do is follow your impulses to pull in the sail or let it out and express your intention with the rudder and God takes care of everything else, if you just let it happen.

Oh and as for the Dogma, as I pointed out before.

It is "AM GOD" backwards.

Deepak writes:
“If Einstein pointed the way to a new form of spirituality through his comment on Buddhism -- quoted at the end of the last post -- in which he gave the key criteria for a "cosmic religion of the future." Such a religion, he said, should

--Transcend a personal God
--Avoid dogma and theology
--Embrace both the natural and the spiritual
--Establish itself on a personal sense of unity among all things”

Dennett, Dawkins, Harris or any other bright or atheist would not have much of a problem with the above. The great Carl Sagan even gave us the following many years ago:

“A religion that stressed the magnificence of the universe as revealed by modern science, might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by traditional faiths. Sooner or later, such a religion will emerge.”

But Carl and his colleagues would not look kindly at Deepak’s speculation for the future:

--Prayer will be seen as real and efficacious.
--Faith will no longer be seen as an irrational departure from reason and science.
--Aspects of the paranormal and miraculous will be widely credited.

And Carl the Great and his gang would have a huge problem with Deepak’s spoon bending ability.

Does it not bother Deepak that he contradicts himself constantly?

Plotinus wrote: By love He may be gotten and holden, but by thought never. To hear and talk about God is meant to spark one's curiosity, one's thinking, one's reasoning. But to seek Him out, now the run through the guantlet begins.

Skeptisch,
The Indian philosopher Krishnamurti used to say he was an atheist until he found out he was God. My observation is that you are pulled so far into whatever energy circulates at Intent that there does not seem to be any escape for you from (it). You are giving it a good fight but the singular point that fuses science and spirit has gotten ahold of you with a permanent grip.
8

Skeptisch,
If you wish to truly escape the energy field and maintain your social conditioning patterns...
Move in the direction opposite of me.
Todd 8

Like attracts like.

9...Number 9...Number Nine...numb err 9.

See The Glass Onion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r64BNYvSxmQ

Skep,

I would like to take a stab at why it doesn't bother Deepak at apparent contradictions and I agree with you(please don't be shocked!)

I'm sure in all sincerity, Deepak believes or feels that he is established in the ("transcendental field)of pure consciousness, beyond time and space. Established in the ideal of secular spirituality, therefore whatever his expressions or statements that he makes whether written or spoken is infused with the transcendent and by extension, can't be wrong or contradicted. Afterall one is in tune or in harmony with nature.

When one or many here call him out, I imagine he just shrugs it off as ignorance or not knowing.

He told me once that I didn't make sense and I know he has commented or called you a materialists, we just don't know and couldn't possibly understand from an unenlightened state.

In Deepaks world, either you are awake or asleep.

Cheers,

Steve

Thanks all, as I am enjoying all the posts.

BTW: When I said 'end,' I was frustrated as I get tired of all this spiritual stuff.

So I thought about Deepak and what he has written and said in the past, as well as now. I guess he is trying to figure things out just like we are, as Deepak as said many times before that God is both personal and non-personal. So I guess it's all the way one looks at it at the time and what they are referring to or speaking on.

To know a personal God, is to know God within oneself. So that's the only I could ever explain personal God, as it is my own way of relating to the Source as that power is within me as it is in all things. And the non-personal God must be all those other things????....I guess.

I still feel within my heart that Einstein knew God in both ways and came to know himself as god, and I do not believe he had the need to give up on the personal God in order to do this....he just expanded. And regardless of what Deepak has said above, I think he knows God in this way too, so maybe he is just trying to get everyone to think. Because there is no way that Deepak could have written those books of his without knowing God.

Well....that's it folks as I wore myself out yesterday and I was already drained from my weekend experience, which I will not go into, except it was something I asked for and needed to know, so I had to experience an unpleasant situation that is gone and over now.

Sending love to all.

Love, Char

Way to go, Todd? Towards?

Ed.

PS: If anyone has not yet read Dr. Wayne Dyer's new book "Change Your Thoughts, Change Your Life." I would highly recommend it. I just read the 2nd verse of the Tao Te Ching, as D. W.D explains that we are pieces of the whole and live in a world of duality. So he suggest that we 'just be,' which I liked as this helps me with my own journey, especially when I become frustrated in the spiritual arena.

Love, Char

Deepak,

I agree with Desh--the "soul does yearn for a personal God".
And my question is, and I would ask this of Einstein also if I could, is, why were we created with that yearning for a "personal God" if it is "wrong"? Isn't this our nature, how we have been created by whatever God/force/cosmic energy, to long for a "personal God"? Why would we be created in a way so contrary to the "truth".
Jesus' message, I think, is a transcendent one, which can also rise above the chaos and criticism.

Dear Olivia,
To rise above the criticism and chaos
(well-put :)
love,
~ Kate

"Skeptisch,

My observation is that you are pulled so far into whatever energy circulates at Intent that there does not seem to be any escape for you from (it). You are giving it a good fight...." post 22....

damn! dissing on an old man, dude! yo!

It's all good. Colliding head on with...
Level 8 (The Supernatural State)
Never a good day for a skeptic.
Todd

Olivia,
You ask "Isn't this our nature, how we have been created by whatever God/force/cosmic energy, to long for a "personal God"? "

I wonder if we can ever know how we've been created. I'm watching right now how my kids (7 & 5) started out with absolutely no beliefs in many areas, and have rapidly absorbed the beliefs of the world around them. I think it's absolutely possible that most of us long for a personal God because we were brought up in a world full of people who longed for a personal God. I think we are all expert belief-sellers; some with a silver tongue, others with a big stick instead.

Personal Gods are like powerful archetypal energies having universal themes. They are like bridges of energy/spirit to the core universal self. Like veins running into larger arteries.
Todd

Level 7 writes: The Indian philosopher Krishnamurti used to say he was an atheist until he found out he was God.

Thank god! I understand Krishnamurti better than what this naive statement implies.

For JK all forms of God are but concepts in the human mind.

I am sure there are many who would also say that Buddha was not agnostic in his teachings, but that he said that, God exists. (He never said anything about existence/non-existence of God or soul.)

Anyway, I suggest Level 7 to keep his observations of Skeptisch ( post #22, 23 )to himself and keep wondering with his wishful thinking of the "purpose" of Skeptisch and other atheists or agnostics or whoever who visit and comment at IB.

I suggest he comment on the subject matter and refrain from questioning the intentions of the community member(s). Sure many here disagree in their world view and beliefs and in many issues and aspects, and everyone is free to express their opinions. I hope he respects the guidelines of Intentblog website and not involve in ad hominems of any form.

Beautiful!
Ultimately I find You in the realm of aerth, wind, fire, water and we vibrate towards our highest good...

So the skeptics and the hypocrites are against me???
Todd

The comments upthread just goes to show that the so called spiritual people are not immune from bad netiquette, or from bragging of the heights to which their awareness has reached, basically exposing their own hypocrisy and ignorance.

"So the skeptics and the hypocrites are against me???
Todd"

The heights of egoic grandiosity.

It is always "me".

is "egoic" a word?

So the skeptics and the hypocrites are against me???
Todd

38. Posted by level7 [TypeKey Profile Page] on September 11, 2007 02:38 PM

And that "me"(in the above comment) must be the "Level 7" enlightened people of the world of whom Todd is representing at Intentblog. Let's garland him for that.

Before I am barred, banished I just ask that those that are against the reality of non-local correlation come up with some (new) (fresh) views instead of the same old (same old).
Todd

"is "egoic" a word?"

Yes, it is my friend:

"Egoic Defined

Egoic, adj. - of, or relating to, a sense of separate self or individuality; relating to or dealing with states of consciousness confined to the limits of personal identity. rel., - personal, individual. ant., - transpersonal.

Notes

Egoic is not synonymous with egoistic, egotistic, egocentric, or egoical, all of which carry the negative connotation of selfishness or conceit. Egoic is to egoistic as selfness is to selfishness. The latter may arise from the former, but the two are not necessarily equivalent.

The word egoic appeared in print as early as 1916, seven years prior to the publishing of Freud's famous The Ego and the Id. For the next several decades, it appeared not unfrequently in theosophical publications. In 1964, R.D. Laing used the term in a paper on "transcendental experience in relation to religion and psychosis" that he delivered to the First International Congress of Social Psychiatry in London. In 1977, a book entitled The Egoic Lotus was published. Ken Wilber, a noted philosopher and psychological theorist, has used the word for decades in his writings - as early as 1980, when it appeared in his book, The Atman Project. The word also appears in several books and articles by Eckhart Tolle, including his bestselling The Power of Now. Since 2000, thousands of instances of the word have appeared in books covering a broad range of genres - philosophy and sociology, psychology and self-help, science and medicine, religion and spirituality, fiction and literary criticism. Although it has yet to be included in dictionaries, Google returns over 70,000 instances of the word (70 times what the dictionary word egoical returns)."

http://www.egoic.com/

thanks for the info...dude...

would you then consider yourself a good writer when you use words that have not yet been included in dictionaries?

diablo, my use of the word "egoic" tells nothing about my writing abilities. It is a word many would be familiar with if you been in contemporary spiritual arena for a while, as can be seen from its popularity from the hits in Google search results.

“What values do you think everyone needs to embrace if we want to have a future on this planet”, someone asked?

An education in basic Science, including Biology and Astronomy but especially Physics 101, would help. The charlatans and bottom feeders of this world would then have leaner grounds to feed on.

And when someone uses expressions like “superstition of materialism” we would all know that person to be badly informed or have an ulterior motive.

We would know that the paranormal cannot be normal and the supernatural cannot be natural. We would know that material reality cannot be superstition.

There are people in this world with minds that are a disgrace to humankind, minds, within their heads mind you, that are used to trick and sway the ignorant and the gullible.

Instead of friendly praise for intelligent questions, how about some intelligent answers?

There is another meaning to materialism. It reads like this:
“A desire for wealth and material possessions with little interest in ethical or spiritual matters”

Where would this apply?

Hello Deepak and Everyone,

whether your taste is in the personal, the secular, the absolutely zero god...or whether you are Hindu, Islamic, Jewish, Catholic, or EEEEVANJELLicle....we all..all of us...meaning each and everyone...you, me and them-there-overthere...will one day arrive HOME and all the debate about the color, texture, height, weight of it, will not matter...will not matter...one iota. What is all this talk about...anyway...it is simply, and, nothing else, but...the fun of discussion...most will realize nothing from these discussions but will have a heck of a good time...partaking of it....

home is where the heart is....and all are hearts come out of the same factory...and when these hearts wear out...and the beat does not go on...it will not matter...not matter at all...and you will be HOME...sweet...HOME.

the journey is long, or short or maybe not so much..a journey.. as a quick been there done that...but it is your's ...however...you want to take it...enjoy it, love it, be it, and maybe we can learn..to expand our inner space to include the whole of it..

something to contemplate..from Nisargadatta..

One who is devoted to his own Self becomes the soul of all. Who, then, will have ill will and for whom?

also I like this...The ultimate religion is Self-realization-it is an unbroken and fearless state of being...hmmm..nice.

and the last...True religion is the religion of the Self. It lies in searching for one's true nature and stabilizing oneself there.

oh....only the religion of one's true nature will last to the end....amen to that.

little bits of Nisargadatta to contemplate...for the evening...have a nice one everyone...ruth

Nice to see some sanity, Skep. I guess the fanboys having a hard time coming to terms and should be up with against the perceived threat to their revered beliefs.

Thanks for being a wonderful presence that you are, among the sickening stinking superstitions which embarrassingly smell fresh and new to some.

should read as "I see fanboys having a hard time coming to terms... and should be up with arms against the perceived threat to their revered beliefs."

Of course ruth, you will find true insights and everything you need to know as a spiritual person in the teachings of Nisargada or Ramana. I hope the spiritual seekers don't fool themselves here.

Spoons bend (vibrate), plants dance (vibrate) and share their light (energy vibrating) with one another, people levitate (vibrate), all things talk (vibrate), angels sing (vibrate), thoughts are waves (vibrating), etc.s.

So get on a specific vibration and know that you can move mountains, as the Jesus Christ says in the Bible.

Solid - wave - sound - movement - thought - light - vibration are the all the same, but are different levels of energy or power or whatever one wants to call it.

Love, Char

And the most powerful vibration is that of LOVE.

Hello Skep...

Gee Skep...you really amaze me...you're a pretty ballsy fellow IMHO....just reading through the comments and I see your...

"There are people in this world with minds that are a disgrace to humankind, minds, within their heads mind you, that are used to trick and sway the ignorant and the gullible." and..."A desire for wealth and material possessions with little interest in ethical or spiritual matters”
Where would this apply?"

so...help me out here...I am kind of thick in brain stuff... are you saying that Deepak is an unethical man...and that he is in the business of trying to trick and sway the ignorant through this blog and his books and his whatever else he is doing....I mean...really this is all you ever write about...in relation to his blogs.....

thanks...but your knight in shining armour routine... the Skep....comes to the rescue of the ignorant and dumb and saves them from the "supernatural clutches of the charlatan Deepak.. is getting...oh so boring....man...read a spy novel or something...how about...a good ole western...get a puppy...and give it some love...just...give the Deepak charlatan stuff a break...please.

go hang out in the Sagan blog...and adore, admire, drool or whatever you choose to do...but if you are going to hang out here at Intent...you know.. the blog Deepak and his family started.. you might want to show a little RESPECT....a tad...I am sure if you ever met the man and his family in person...you would not have the nerve or courage to say anything of the sort to him....would you? It would be like all those other(mostly men)...who attack others then get caught...show up in court...and meek and mild...with head hangning down...say yes sir...no sir...and shuffle away......

check yourself out...along with the fan club who have arrived to pat you on the back....

really, are you a man or a little bitty mouse?

pull yourself together...and discuss the subject matter without constantly trying to belittle the Host of the blog...is that too much to ask? For god's(I mean Carl Sagan's) sake.. you are a grown man...act like it...and that goes for the rest of the bunch...

there...I feel much better...have a good evening everyone. ruth

Ruth dear, Skep's comments are very much related to 'subject matter' which is Deepak Chopra and his views about science, spirituality and conscience which is very much related to Intent blog and not some Sagan blog.

Your comment made you feel much better, so much for positive reinforcement and positive spirits and moods, and protecting one's own delusions. All is good.

have a great day.

#55 just goes to prove my point.

Premonitions or intelligent speculation...your choice!

I'm tired of hearing about spoonbending!
If you really want some answers about that address me. Not only can I bend spoons I can dematerialize entire sets of silverware and have done so in front of 3 skeptical scientific investigators. All of this is even (old) news.
Todd

The chances of me getting banned from here are...
0

Level7 writes:

"I'm tired of hearing about spoonbending!
If you really want some answers about that address me. Not only can I bend spoons I can dematerialize entire sets of silverware and have done so in front of 3 skeptical scientific investigators. All of this is even (old) news.
Todd"

You and your claims are not the subject of discussion here, nor is Skeptisch's intentions o why he is a member of this community, I hope that gets into your head. You can always open a forum where you can brag about your magical skills to materialize things and discuss new and interesting parapsychology research to suit your taste.

"The chances of me getting banned from here are...
0"

True, remote, given the goodwill of the hosts who are tolerant to greater abuses of this forum than yours...

The politics of spirituality in the public domain.

No one here is running for anything, but there lives. Yikes!!!!

I'm already short spoon-wise. High Yo Silver, away!

well, well...there she goes again....

the hypercative, nosy granny is on a big rant ...letting out a bit a steam...i mean hot air...u know the usual hackneyed, trite stuff...this time attacking old men for sharing their views...damn...yo.. what a self-important, crabby, bored old woman! damn! i wonda if a nice old man will find her any attractive...whoahahahahahaha....whoa!

Level7 writes:
"I'm tired of hearing about spoonbending!"

If you are tired of reading skeptical views on bending spoons, and already 'proved' your paranormal abilities to skeptics, take a break, don't attack those who don't agree with your beliefs, that is the least that is expected from a decent member of this community, like you.

#58: Not only can I bend spoons I can dematerialize entire sets of silverware and have done so in front of 3 skeptical scientific investigators.

This statement stinks of arrogance and charlatanism. Both are enemies... of spirituality and science respectively.

If this is not about egoic(thanks moddan, for the word) display, there should be no problem(since this was already done before skeptical observers) in demonstrating the paranormal ability and claim that million from Randi organization. Yes, the money can be given to charity and not to buy some luxury home.

Level 100 is par...

L-7 is a long way from that! no? damn...modest dude!

says hypocrite to a certain granny...

"Your comment made you feel much better, so much for positive reinforcement and positive spirits and moods, and protecting one's own delusions. All is good."

damn, those brights are clever...whoa!

Add this to your mental dictionary.

Ego's machinations or machinations of the Ego

Main Entry: mach·i·na·tion
Pronunciation: "ma-k&-'nA-sh&n, "ma-sh&-
Function: noun
Date: 15th century
1 : an act of machinating
2 : a scheming or crafty action or artful design intended to accomplish some usually evil end

Seperatist individuality practicing Separatuality a non-Holistic perspective

NOW CAN ANY ONE SPOT any Ego machinations above?

Ego machinations are best identified for what they are and then ignored because they are not based on reality but rather illusion and fiction.

Separatuality in contrast to Spirituality in contrast to indivi(duality)Φ(in)(divi)ne (duality).

Separatuality is a cool word to add to one’s lexicon because I Googled it and it came up 0 or Zero instances in the collective mind, which means one coined it a new word and meme ready for propagation.

What is really cool though is the Question that Google asks you if you query Separatuality.

I wonder who arranged this? Φ

Click my name below to see what Google asks.

"Separatuality" is "duality"

The assumption of self is merely a clot beliefs.

It doesn't matter if the beliefs circulate around a core structure of white power or non-duality, the same dynamic occurs......

Discursive Epistemic Cognitive Amentia.

Beliefs are beliefs and emerge concurrently with the identified self.

How can the self see through the maze.....when it is nothing other then the maze itself?........

It can't.

Once that is seen.......a wobble in the imaginary universe occurs.....and its implosion is imminent.

moddan

Spiritual Enlightenment

There are two emotions that inform and animate the human animal; fear, and a gratitude-love-awe mix that might best be called agape.

As fear goes out agape comes in.

More accurately. a pure white light of consciousness hits the prism of self and splits outward to become that universe as we experience it.

It the prism of self is gray and murky with ignorance. choked with fear, contaminated with ego, then so becomes the universe that radiates out from it.

It's that simple.

As the prism becomes free from such flaws, then the whole universe changes with it.

It revolves into clarity, becomes brighter, more playful and magical.

Because we are the lens through which it is projected, we are participants in its shape and motion; co-creators of our own universe.

That's Human Adulthood.

Spiritual Enlightenment is just the same, except you take the final step in purifying the prism of self.

You remove it.

Jed McKenna

If your understanding of spirituality is of spiritualism then separatism is separatuality.

Interesting you posted that moddan. I read both Jed McKenna's books and was very impressed by them.

Another thing that truly impressed me is the fact (apparently) that he doesn't have a website (unless things have changed), nor does he seem to be interested in the usual "name and fame" attraction that seems to snag others, the "professional teachers and gurus" that we are all so (or should I say TOO) familiar with.

What McKenna says in both of his books is very right on, afaic.

It's kinda like in music where there are the popular musicians and then there are the musicians' musicians, who really don't care so much about what the rest of the world thinks.

Divya

Yo Ghurt.

Attention Skeptics-Hypocrites,
You have been taking cheap shots at Dr. Chopra for quite some time. That is the only thing that bothers me. I respect all of your opinions but it hurts me to see that going on so I responded. Better me being the brunt of the punishment. You can't hurt me with your remarks. Your comments do lack significant impact. In other words (they are weak).
I suggest you regroup your thoughts and ideas in order to (debate) more successfully.
(Perhaps you need to bring in some fresh blood from the source of skepticism itself)
Til we meet again,
Todd

╤╟╝|ÿô σ▐≥▐▐╞☼╤╘ and I have been noticing the phenomena of things systems, processes, devices, events shifting to a state of abnormality. Having been functioning in a state of normality for quite some time they shift and abnormality occurs.

What is most interesting is that they soon shift back to a state of normality for no apparent reason. What causes these abnormalities a shift in operating logic?

Then are those things that never shift back and abnormality becomes the new normality.

Then there are those that are always fighting to maintain the state of normality, and those others that are always trying to erase old boundaries creating the new.

The law of conversation states we can never return to a previous state of normality. Once a state of abnormality has been normalized returning to the previous state of normality is impossible.

In the state of abnormality anything can happen where nothing does, unlike the state of normality where nothing happens and everything does.

Normally we can't bend spoons without a physically applied force, however in a state of abnormality it could become possible.

Eventually this state of abnormality could become normalized.

The parallels correlations and synchronicities are mind boggling. In fact watching the universe at work and understanding the behind the scenes operations of an all pervasive collective intelligence working to the benefit of life and humanity, that gives rise to our daily events is nothing short of amazing. Understanding the why, and reason behind the daily occurrences in our lives leads to a sense of security and trust with freedom from fruitless worry replaced by constructive and beneficial concern resulting in action and change.

Perhaps they were always there, I was just ignorant, but now understanding the intent of the universe and working in harmony with it, I suspect that I have become a more valuable instrument and a key agent available for use by the universe. Therefore it empowers me and allows me to participate in the expansion of consciousness linking me to other agents involved in the collective endeavor of achieving balance and harmony and operating from a balanced holistic perspective rather than a entirely separatist perspective.

We have the wisdom intelligence, knowledge and insight to create a harmonious world with balanced systems and prosperity and abundance for all.

The issue now is our collective attention or focus. Generally our energy goes to those things we put our attention on. The world’s attention is in the wrong place and energy for change is often dissipated into fruitless endeavors. Content which that tends to amplify and perpetuate the ignorance. We need to draw the world’s attention to the solutions for all the issues, problems and imbalances. Our collective attention needs to be on the wisdom, intelligence, knowledge and insights that transform our systems.

Individual policy changes affect global policy. How you view life, and which perspectives and choice of perception are chosen.

Attention- Branded Level 7, 8, 9 .... - Spiritual hypocrites and braggarts- Egoic displayers- Charlatans, you are a disgrace to spirituality, science and skepticism.

GIven Dear Deepak Chopra's spiritual awareness, it is a joke if you think he can be hurt like you were hurt, so stop projecting your inane insecurities, spiritual bankruptcy and ignorance onto him. Speak for yourself and stand accountable for your claims, the inane remarks and ad hominems.

You can certainly grow up and learn from spiritual traditions itself. Deepak Chopra is a good place to begin and relearn humility and practice spirituality in a better way.

Best,

Divya

Attention- Branded Level 7, 8, 9 .... - Spiritual hypocrites and braggarts- Egoic displayers- Charlatans, you are a disgrace to spirituality, science and skepticism.

GIven Dear Deepak Chopra's spiritual awareness, it is a joke if you think he can be hurt like you were hurt, so stop projecting your inane insecurities, spiritual bankruptcy and ignorance onto him. Speak for yourself and stand accountable for your claims, the inane remarks and ad hominems.

You can certainly grow up and learn from spiritual traditions itself. Deepak Chopra is a good place to begin and relearn humility and practice spirituality in a better way.

Best,

Divya

ATTENTION

The spiritual hypocrites of Level7 Caliber Braggarts and Charlatans of Occult Paranormal Powers.

Hello All

I am sure you like stories and this is for the largely spiritually oriented members:

It's OSHO time!

I don't pay much attention to such claims (as in post #58) of what Divya calls "stinks of arrogance and charlatanism". Occult powers are really not my thing. They might be potentially interesting, just like gossip is interesting, but my take on it all is similar to Skeptisch's, except not so vehement...

Osho's supposed occult powers were certainly not on mass display, though it is said that things "happened" around him, coincidences and energy events, etc. But when he talked about this stuff...

Perhaps some of you heard this Ramakrishna story. When Osho tells stories, they are not always in the official canon.

'Once a man went to Ramakrishna. Ramakrishna was sitting on the bank of the Ganges. The man was a very famous yogi of those days. He had gone there to brag about himself -- and that's what these so-called yogis go on doing. He said, "Ramakrishna, what are you doing sitting here? Let us go for a walk on the Ganges."

'Ramakrishna asked him, "How many years did it take for you to walk on water?"

'He said, "Eighteen years practicing in the Himalayas, hard work, fasting, yoga postures. It has been difficult, very difficult. It was almost
impossible, and many times I wanted to drop the whole project, but somehow I persisted. Now I have the SIDDHI, the power -- I can walk on the water.
Can't you walk on the water?"

'Ramakrishna said, "I am not so foolish. When I want to go to the other bank I give the ferryman only two paise, and that's enough! Your eighteen
years are worth just two paise. Get lost! I am not interested in it." '

Siddharth

The infinite play tutorial on the secret workings of the universe and it’s hidden functionality, logging into reality as a user, a power user, or with administrative rights. There are finite players and infinite players...

∞Φ

Yes, God created land for walking and the sea for swimming.

As for the walking on water, there was a sand bar that the divine lead one to discover in the days previous, unknown to the onlookers, they never asked, it created a nice effect.

As for the healing, these people were living on bread, just needed to teach them to fish so they would get some protein. The rich were hoarding all the protein for themselves, and the greedy were keeping a monopoly on the methods and not sharing the intelligence.

Divya,
You are a mere pawn in your own game.
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Richard,
You are an exceptional infinite player. A master of (sharing) the intelligence.
Todd

Divya,
You might want to examine what it is inside of you that (needs) to brand someone.
Todd

"egoic grandiosity" in the full display.

No wonder.

Separatuality(thanks richard!) it must be ... judging and giving spiritual certificates and bragging about one's own self. What a blowhard!

Divya,
Only consciousness witnesses consciousness. What you see in me is in (full display) radiating from you.
Todd

Level7 braggart, I would appreciate if you look "with in" yourself and come to terms with whatever "hurt" that you may have perceived.

We are all mere pawns in the infinite play as Richard would say. And I realize that fact. I am not too attached to my ego to play my own games like a spiritual "Todd"ler that you are.

Then why is your pain so easy to see?

"Only consciousness witnesses consciousness."

Nice truisms.

Apply the same to your conduct in this thread. It is clear that you are a spiritual hypocrite who don't walk the talk.

Divya is a clever (name) diversion.
Why don't you tell us who you really are?
Todd

The "pain" Level7 hypocrite and the charlatan sees in me is his own.

I suggest he stop probing with his ignorance and low levels of spiritual awareness.

I am not interested in diverting the discussion of relevance to the blog entry towards Level7's Egoic display.

He can draw his conclusions and soothe his Ego. I am out.

PS:He doesn't seem to realize that he is abusing the forum again. My apologizes for aiding him in the process.

says divya...

"I am not too attached to my ego to play my own games like a spiritual "Todd"ler that you are."
i am not so sure, u really mean that, egomaniac!

besides, egoic is an ugly word which might explain why it's not included in dictionaries...no?

Patricia, Divya are different names of one and the same. Typically diehard skeptics are infatuated by the term (charlatan). How many times have I been called that? I am really...
Todd

That means we are (one) Patricia!

There must then be a (troll) in you (yes)?
Todd

Ref. #75

"You have been taking cheap shots at Dr. Chopra for quite some time. That is the only thing that bothers me. I respect all of your opinions but it hurts me to see that going on so I responded. Better me being the brunt of the punishment. You can't hurt me with your remarks."

A good thing that helps you in reacting to a perceived threat/hurt, to Deepak for ex., is to ask yourself, "what would Deepak say?" and try not to attack and display your ego contrary to the spiritual beliefs you profess.

The last time I checked, Deepak is more than capable of handling whatever is thrown at him and at this site, including arrogance, ego displays abusing the forum, and speaking on his behalf.

Anyone for Osho?

The Heart
My way has been described as that of the heart, but it is not true. The heart will give you all kinds of imaginings, hallucinations, illusions, sweet dreams ¯ but it cannot give you the truth. The truth is behind both; it is in your consciousness, which is neither head nor heart. Just because the consciousness is separate from both, it can use both in harmony. The head is dangerous in certain fields, because it has eyes but it has no legs ¯ it is crippled.

The heart can function in certain dimensions. It has no eyes but it has legs; it is blind but it can move tremendously, with great speed ¯ of course, not knowing where it is going. It is not just a coincidence that in all the languages of the world love is called blind. It is not love that is blind, it is the heart that has no eyes.

As your meditation becomes deeper, as your identification with the head and the heart starts falling, you find yourself becoming a triangle. And your reality is in the third force in you: the consciousness. Consciousness can manage very easily, because the heart and the head both belong to it.

Osho, Excerpted from: From the False to the Truth, chapter 31

all u big whiners...

if u cant take the heat...get out of the kitchen, go to ur room and suck ur fingers...and quit complaining..damn!

Funny...speaking of flat, my tire copped a roofin' nail today.
Made an appt. to get it fixed, or neutered, whatever.
Had to blow half an hour, went to the nearest bar for a beer.

1 of the 10 big screens caught my attention.

It was the 1 with an 'anything goes' knock-down/drag-out
martial arts fight. Then I come here and project
the script on my flat screen. Too cool!

e# anybody at all behind the crazy publishing machine (gosh i forgot where this ON/OFF switch is situated, let me write in Japan they send me a manual.)

Einstein was no doubt a great mind and has shaped the way humanity thinks with his brilliant scientific discoveries.
I have often read that he was very nasty to his wife (or wives?)in an inexplicable and cruel way.
How spiritual can a man like that truly be? If his need to dominate and supress those closest to him was so strong?
You cannot separate a man from his personal actions regardless of how great his acheivements appear to the outside world.

Hello Everyone

Patrica says..."and this is the true sign of an enlightened being:

a buddha is egoless, a buddha is love.

a buddha will not take offence when you spit in his face,

and a buddha will always be there for you,

when you're sincerely trying to go beyond your ego."

And it is by ego that all the above expectations
have developed, as your ego is wishing for itself
to become the buddha you have defined here.

have a good night....ruth

Patricia you ARE your ego, you can beg and plead, there is not seperation, but keep trying and let me know...

Love
t

One thing can be safely said in general,
the terrorist disguises as an oppressed,
holds up the values of freedom and freespeech,
as an other means to impose his rule.

#106 Hi Swag,

Sure thing, we have to take the man as a whole. No disrespect to his wife, but for his 'need' for her, at least when he got tied in, he may have achieved even greater things. I don't know, but it's worth thinking about, in my view. (Individuation or something?)

Ed

ah ...
and by claiming that one/self ...
and this world ...
are illusion ...
that same one/self ...
is freed to do as one pleases ...
no 'one' to blame or be responsible
for one's actions.
'tis a cop-out...
pretty words, fancy shuffling ...
with built in plausible deniability ...
which allows one to criticize/correct
others here and elsewhere ...
who don't conceive of or see things
in the same way ...
as somehow being 'less aware' ...
while at the same time ...
claiming they are above such doings.
you slippery little monkeys. ;)

but hey ...
whatever one needs do to maintain
one's take on who they are and what
they are about ...
author of one's own story.
therein lies the common denominator:
you are no different than anyone else ...
no matter how much you pretend otherwise. ;)

welcome to the world ...
here we are ...
all of us ...
you, and you included.

Level7 continues to do ego battle

... He doth not practice what he preaches...

doodleman

(Re. 112)

There is no self.

It is a clot of memories.

It cannot do as "it" pleases.

It simply does not exist.

Tis no one to blame...Tis no one to be responsible.

Tis no one to cop out....

......

It certainly seems that way doesn't it?

But...it seemed that way in your dreams last night.

There is no difference in the characters involved.

There's a flaw in moddan's argument, but since he doesn't exist there's no point in indicating to him what it is, is there?

Ed.

Tis a flaw out of which the dream emerges.

(bumper sticker)

moddan

I don't think that one's self is an illusion but that illusion is part of the way one sees one's self. Moreover, are we illuded in seeing illusion, heeeelp!

Ed

"Tis a flaw out of which the dream emerges."

what dream?

Ed.

To be exact as to who ed is Moddan, one has to get the time exact, too! We are being 'watch..ed'

I see... Ed.. eD... ED... ed... alterED

The dream is the sense of a separate self...the confusion that results when the conceptual overlay is mistaken for reality.

When the illusory self looks out upon its make believe kingdom.......it sees what appears to be a world of named....separated objects that in actuality exist in relation to its own assumed autonomy.

That is the dream from which a few seek release.

Once it is seen that it is nothing but the dream........something rather odd happens.

moddan

Nocturnal black mares stampede till dawn.
Less saddle, no reins, only stirrups at night.

Ichabod brings the message from my beloved.
Only the white horse has the eyes to find me.

One has the key, but no head.
The other stands at bedside
waiting for destiny's rider.

I never remember how or where or when,
yet I always wake up thinking 'what?'

hello everyone,

#108 is not from me either....(ruth#1)...seeing that the spammers have come back to play I will bow out for a while...so if you see ruth posting it is not (ruth#1) but the ruth who hangs with the crowd who just arrived on the scene a few days ago...chow for now and for awhile....

ruth

Yo Hacker dude or dudette
I read my comment a few times and still don't get it.
I'm going to read it agin cause it seems pretty cool.
You need to through in a few yo's and keep it a bit simpler.

Oh and are you using other identities to argue with youself.
Not a bad idea really. One can really do some great role playing this way. I watched a movie one time about a debating team where the students would have to switch thier side of the argument mid arguement. It helped me realize that it's all perspective and that can change on a dime if necessary.

Cool stuff though.

Yo, peace comes from role play, or playing with rolls

derek

Yo

Bo Peep out

Dear Deepak,
I don't agree fully with your conclusions for following reasons:
1. Transcend personal God
I don't think it has to. Religion is a personal experience. If one is religious at all one feels a personal connection with God. The conception of that God or the image of that personal God one holds dear may depend on past conditioning. That image matters to that person, but it should matter to that person alone. He should not force that image or conception on everybody else. Here is where your second point comes in which I totally agree with.
2.Avoid dogma and theology
There is no problem with theology as long as there is no dogma. There could exist one million religions all with their own God, including atheists' and scientists' particular fervent belief systems without any harm to anybody only if there was no dogma. Don't force your own belief system on anyone and everybody could coexist happily with their own beliefs. It is evangelicalism that does the most damage.
3. Embrace both natural and spiritual
Embrace everything that feels real. Natural world is all around us and is snesed easily. So is spirit if you are attuned to it. Not so easy if you are not. So there is no point in trying to ram it down people's throats. If there is no pressure, no hatred, no distrust of each other's beliefs, it will be easy to feel the spirit in everything.
4.Establish itself on personal sense of unity among all things.
This is a self evident statement I have no problem with.
Thanks.
Neetu

All (things),forms and phenomena are transcended!

#121 Well I don't care if I do have to eat my hat.

That's pretty amazing, Keith!

Thanks, Ed! Save your hat and mind your noggin.
The hooded transcendent one wields a scythe.

.

Todd: You have put yourself in the thick of it.
A brick transcends itself by blending into the wall.

If I am being presumptuous by calling Keith, 'Me2',
then I would hope someone like you would tell me.

No need to count for good measure, friend,
that which lends itself freely.
Change is included, but taxing, yes.

We are your friends in low places,
here but to chase the blues
into the sunset grey.

Rainbows have seven colors, too.
I am so proud of them,
and they don't even know it.

Peace bro! TREEBATOR

Keith,
We are all friends in the core of the heart.
Todd

Well, I would have enjoyed hearing more from Todd on the disappearing spoons .... maybe, he just picked the silver up for payment of the show on spoon bending and departed? Maybe Todd was joking? If not, I think that's an very good accomplished feat to make the whole set disappear. One must have a strong connection with the Universe to make anything happen that we do not consider possible, there I find Todd most interesting. So thanks for sharing Todd. Personally, I would like to hear more assuming you truly manipulated material into wave to make it move or vanish, which means one could see on another level, I would assume. Did you?

Love, Char

Well there were others that experienced the phenomenon with me. It just happened. Perhaps we were all hallucinating at a collective level and I was just the catalyst.
Todd

Because you said "it just happened," tells me that your story is most likely true. Because the unexplained always 'just happens,' and it does not seem possible for us to control it at our level.

I have seen this event as well. So I will share one of my little stories with you. I would like to understand why these things happen, as there must be a reason and there must be a way to re-create it if it 'just happened' even once.

I was catching a bug in my house with a clear crystal glass, as I don't believe in killing things, which includes bugs and spiders. This bug was an earwig and they really scare me as I have heard that they get into the hear and eat away at the drum, which causes lost of hearing. I don't know if that is true or not.

So I put the glass over the bug on my off-white wall and saw the earwig. But the strangest thing happened. It vanished right before me. It just disappeared. That was so odd. I was in an open space, so it could not have gotten out and the glass was still hard against the wall and the bug was at the top of the closed end of the 6 inch tall glass. I don't understand it, nor can I figure out why it happened.

Love, Char

Dear Char....I think patty summed it up well; don't feed the troll. It is a braggart at best and a fraud at worst. All in all, a disgrace to spiritual values at Dr. Chopra blog.

love...Sachin

PS: Plus, other strange things have happened around me that I cannot explain, so I know there are things that we cannot possibly understand. I think this happens to everyone, but we don't pay attention to it. Like, have you ever caught something or some even from the corner of your eye and then look at it and say, 'no way,' forgetting it and thinking you incorrectly saw something? How many of us have misplaced something and wondered how that happened, thinking that maybe we surely forgot that we put the item in another place. Or maybe we are moving in and out of time? Or maybe our brains got shorted for a moment? - but I tend not to agree with this one for all events, if any. Or just maybe, we have caused something to happen that went beyond what we normally perceive in our world? Or on the farthest end of the spectrum ... maybe an angel, spirit, or gremlin moved something or maybe the bug was angel???? I don't know, but it all makes me wonder.

Love, Char

BTW: I think that if something unusual happened to Einstein, he would want to try and figure it out scientifically, I am sure. Like all the great minds that are able to tap into the potentially of the quantum soup, as I think Deepak has said in so many words.

This is why I think they say that we have only to imagine and then believe to manifest. Yes, it's beyond my current state of consciousness, but it appears that the great sages were able to intentionally do these kinds of feats with a thought. I think is amazing!

Love, Char

Dear Char, human brain has evolved to err with memory errors & tricks and cognitive biases being part of it. You think it is 'possible' for some supernatural and paranormal explanation for your experiences. I am sure you are open to more probable explanations where enough body of evidence more than suggest natural explanations.

A case in point is "Deja Vu" experiences, where was new research that has found evidence for bad wiring in the brain which is common to most of us.

Please consider this comment as part of a dialogue and not an argument or a point of debate.

"This is why I think they say that we have only to imagine and then believe to manifest. Yes, it's beyond my current state of consciousness, but it appears that the great sages were able to intentionally do these kinds of feats with a thought. I think is amazing!"

Please do read the Osho story on occult powers posted by hypocrite in the above comments.

love...Sachin

The event itself from my perspective substantiates that matter and consciousness are one and the same.
Todd

PPS: Jesus Christ healed the sick and even raised people from the dead, as well as turning water into wine, and much more. And Moses did a lot too, as well as the Egyptians who were in competition with Moses, except Moses was able to do some things bigger and better. And in the Bible, Jesus says that we can do all that he could