A blind leader will tell you that God is sweet, chrystalline, and white. Then you walk away and say Hey, I know God. He is sweet, chrystalline, and white.

A true teacher will tell you how to grow the cane, how to process it, how to refine it, and then ask you to put it in your mouth and let you figure out if his words were true.

Einstein summed it up best:

"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind"

Though I would replace religion with spirituality.

"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)" : EQ

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)": IQ

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)": WQ

All good things always come in three: 1 + 1 + 1

But 1 + 1 = always 2 :)

Mieke

Moon mind start from wrong point and because the starting point is wrong the rest is so, what moon minds write.
For moon mind science is what they know like all kind of laws and model to understand matter, which developed in last few centuries and religion is what they see around.
So I would like to ask these moon mind that what you are talking about science is really science or just the mainstream scientist who pursues matter (measurable) alone and religion is really religion or just the mainstream spiritualist who pursues spirit (immeasurable) alone.
Moon mind has to look better into science and religion, which bringing us towards the “Destruction”. There is no need to give energy to this so-called science and religion.
Moon mind first has to drop their ego.
Mind is the only a mechanism to survive and create all conveniences to live better for us and the one who is going to come in future.
Meditation is the only Solution.

Mankind believes in the science of materialism or separation. We are taught that there are differences and separation between objects from birth. Therefore this deeply ingrained false illusion or precept predominates in the world. Imagine if from birth everyone was taught that everything is consciousness. Then the separate self that creates fear, wars and many of societies plagues would not have taken root.
Reminds me of the Genesis myth of Adam and Eve and their fall from grace after their eyes opened to knowledge. Perhaps there can be a unified science as Avtar says but I don't seeing such a science replacing the scientific knowledge (that further spreads fragmentation) that exists today. It is possible to go beyond beliefs and concepts and merge into Pure Consciousness. But from my experience society is a long way off from elevating such an enlightened consciousness. There are a multitude of (scholarly) pretenders out there with enough wordly credentials and knowledge that Pure Awareness exists that they take advantage of this knowledge for personal profit whether it be fame or fortune. I for one don't put Avtar in this category. It isn't his fault he graduated from MIT or whatever. He sees the goal or the finish line of truth. Perhaps to have a respected platform to be heard an enlightened consciousness (nowadays) needs a Phd or a book. These things are respected by society. But does that leave out any magnificent
(beings) out there who don't possess these (objectified) qualifications. The Enlightened being has become one with The Unqualified!
How ironic.
Todd

God exist and God is real.

One must start with blind faith and the belief that they will see. Faith and belief cannot be admonished regardless of desire. It's trusting that another has seen (faith) and knowing that we can see (believing), as our ancestors and those whom we might have been so bless to come into contact with who are seers in our life time.

Love, Char

PS: To destroy God would be to destroy me - take that on whatever level desired.

PPS: Plus I don't see any issues with the truth, i.e., the wholeness of science and religion. It's like knowing one's self.

Love, Char

The closer one's vision is to incorporating
(everything)...
The closer one is to truth.
Todd

Perhaps our search for continuity should be examined. We protect our beliefs in God and an afterlife to the point of death.
Yet there is no definitive proof self-consciousness survives the death of the body.
Perhaps it does. I hope that is the case.
Maybe there is a field awareness of some kind that is eternal. All of these concepts are speculation. To become discontinuous is death to ego, body even self consciousness.
Skeptics blindly dismiss numerous possibilities while religionists dismiss the opposite end of the spectrum.
Where are the open minded people.
Who among you has the bravery to admit.
I don't know!

Well ... I either died at 5 years old, or left my body (on the 3rd day of a long car ride), after I got bitten between the eyes by yellow jackets or yellow bees the day my family moved. I feel it was temporary death to the body, as I had a brief choice to come back to the body or move on in my journey. It was a toss and completely my decision and it was I believe before the light and all. I was still me, even after I left my body. I can promise you by my own experience when I was 5 years old, that we are eternal and we never die. It's the body that hurts, dies, and is afraid, but that part of us that is forever, is brave. When I left my body, as we were in the car, everything was moving as in a movie, but I was not moving, i.e., my essence was still as it observed.

Love, Char

PPS: I hear Spirit, so no one can tell me that God does not exist. God is Spirit and I am spirit. Now, what all that means is another story :-)

I'm sorry Avtar, but you lost me as soon as you said that God does not exist. I do enjoy all your posts, but I could not open up enough to get past that comment. So I will try to read your post again now that I've shared my heart and mind.

Love, Char

If Jesus actually had the ability to appear to humanity in a material body in this present day and age don't you think he would.
The fact that he hasn't doesn't bode well for life after death as we might imagine it.
As far as NDE's go they aren't fully dead.
Sorry but I'm just being real.
Ok so there are ghosts and some other strage phenomena. Maybe there is a consciousness field.
That would make sense. But how do you verify such a thing. Perhaps NDE's and ghosts are experiences created by humanities consciousness field that help us to deal with these age old questions. So what happens to the bodies electromagnetic field at death? Does anyone know? Does it just turn off or does it go somewhere. If energy can't be destroyed then exactly where does it go. Someone enlighten me.

All energy appears and disappears back into the unmanifested field of pure potential.
When you go beyond subtle energy (subatomic energy) into matter it appears as if solid objects have continuity. In other words they appear stable. We don't see our bodies vanishing then reappearing a bit older.
Our senses cannot perceive or react that quickly.
So the illusion of space/time is made to appear by the inability of our senses to experience...
The Discontinuity
There is really no (you) to begin with in the sense that you are a solid entity.
That is a trick of the senses.
There is only a unified field of conscious energy that is endlessly interacting with itself.
What you think of as you is dying and being reborn endlessly in a field of consciousness that is eternally transforming. There is in reality no division between you and another.
Or for that matter you and the sidewalk.
You imagine fragmentation and a separate self that doesn't really exist.
Todd

Well .... I've seen my spirit body and I've seen the silver cord. I've also seen creatures from the astral plane, but I wonder about what they are and some might be creations from the imagining of others or myself - like our own co-creation with God.

I've seen one Angel (appeared to be solid, but unseen to others - hard one to describe, as it was human looking with wings and in the air) that I've shared before and I've seen one white spirit dragon that attacked & burned my neck, one blue spirit serpent that played with me, one evil spirit or disembodied soul (?) that jumped me and shook my bed, one whispering disembodied spirit, two of the earth's grid creatures (pure light) that look like what they say the luminaries (creatures, not human) looked like and some other things. And they all affect our reality in different ways and operate in specific laws for their many worlds. The Bible briefly talks about all this, but is careful not to spell it out in too much detail.

Oh, and my mother and middle sister use to regularly leave their bodies to go and visit places they wanted to see at night. So I intentional sat up in my body (the spirit), but did not leave. That was different than dying.

I can see atoms in things if I look, as well as seeing them dance in the air, as little lights. And I could go on and on.

Certainly, so of it is the creation of the mind, if not all, but then again this planet is the creation of the mind and if anyone wants to go that deep, none of this is real, but only an illusion of the play of lights. Nothing is here but light .... nothing. But the soul does experience it all, especially via the heart and the mind.

So it's all real as one wants it to be or not to be.

And the hearing part .... I can hear spirits/Spirit/ghost/creatures/animals if I am connected. And so can everyone else, if that listened and looked. So the only way to know is to experience it or one will never believe it. Therefore, I can say, there is much more there in our world if one wants to experience it.

But with all that said, I have found the heart to be most important in the grand scheme of it all, i.e., to love God with all our heart, soul, & mind and to love another as ourself. That's what it's really all about and the rest is just for fun.

I know I will be made fun of, but it's my truth and maybe sharing it will help someone, if only but one person.

Love, Char

BTW: Jesus is alive and his spirit never died. But Jesus died in the physical body once. In fact the Bible talks about how Jesus went to hell (the graves) & preached for the 3 days, while his body rested in the tomb. And then Jesus walked in body form on the earth after his body died on the cross and from there rose in the air and went to heaven, which was symbolic of our union with God depending on what level one wishes to address this, as heaven is within as Jesus also stated. Many people saw Jesus for many days per the Bible, after his body died on the cross and rose again from death. The Spirit tells me that it is both God & Jesus - that's oneness in the highest form, as Jesus the son united with God the father. We are all part of the sonship and Jesus shows us how and the Bible and the stories will be read and understood at the level one is currently at. So it's all true and really no different than another religion or belief. That's what Jesus meant when he said he was the way, as Jesus shows us how to awaken and stated several times in the Bible, "know thyself."

Well, that's my thoughts and now it's time to go home.

Love, Char

Dissolving Ego, Enhancing Enlightenment

-An Avtar Sutra
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war planes humming
like monks chanting

bombs breaking ego
enemy's enlightening

Excuse my post #1:
I didn't mean a blind leader, I meant some leaders. I think ya'll get my drift. But I didn't mean to insult anyone in particular. Just my word salad again.

Dear Friends:

Thanks for your comments. Here are some answers to the questions:

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Dear Kubaner:

Q: Would you please tell us “commoners” what your God looks like? Is it the same as Deepak’s? Or is it closer to Einstein’s God?”

#3:

The simplest definition of God – “It is All One.” However, it may be too simplistic for our schizophrenic minds to comprehend.

The consciousness-integrated Holistic Relativity reveals the ultimate reality, often called God, in its simplest form as the One Wholesome Formless (beyond matter) state of Free-willed Existence of Eternity (zero time) and omnipresence (zero space).

This revelation is not only consistent with Einstein’s so-called (non-personal) God but also goes beyond since it includes free will or universal consciousness as the very nature of the ultimate reality. Einstein denied existence of free will (consciousness) and preferred to call it – “The Hidden Factor” since it is immeasurable with human senses and scientific instruments.

Also, this is consistent with Nanak’s “God” –

“ik onkaar sat naam kartaa purakh nirbh-a-o nirvair akaal moorat ajoonee saibhang”
- There is but one God. True is His Name, creative being, fearless, enemy-less, eternal, unborn, and self-existent (free willed).

This is also consistent with Nanak’s “Hukum” – The Universal Order governed by the universal laws that are eternal and omnipresent.

It is miraculous because such a “God” is simpler than what any thought of the human mind can imagine or describe. Just as clouds cover up the blue sky, thoughts (mind) cover the pure consciousness. That is why God is perceivable only via a complete dissolution of the mind into thoughtless, choice-less, and egoless awareness of the formless God or consciousness.

Thoughts (imagined forms) of God, on the other hand and even if moralistic, are clouds or fog only covering up the blue skies of the real God underneath. The bliss of thought-full ignorance (imagination) is temporal only and not eternal.

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Dear Tommy:

#7: “Scientists give damn to spirituality and religion.
Their science works without embracing nonsense of religion.
Why do spiritualists want science to make religion/spirituality holistic?”

Neither science nor spirituality is complete without the other, as Einstein, the greatest scientist of earth said – “Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind."

If you were aware of all the unresolved paradoxes and internal inconsistencies of the widely-accepted modern scientific theories, you wouldn’t be making the comments and raising the questions above. Because of these deficiencies, the prevailing scientific theories, prematurely declared to be universal theories, are paralyzed and capable of predicting only 4% of the universe. The best theories of science today are 120 orders of magnitude wrong in predicting the most important phenomena governing the behavior of the universe, the vacuum energy or dark energy.

Scientists may give damn to spirituality and religion, but to eliminate the paralysis of modern science, they cannot ignore consciousness or the observed spontaneity in natural phenomena such the spontaneity of the laws of the universe. A conscientious scientist wouldn’t play an ostrich to the realities of the universe including consciousness.

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Dear Char4:

Nobody is taking your God away from you (See definition of God above). But God would be happy and responsive if one understood him/her as is rather than a blind belief or imagined image, which is not being true to him/her. Confining God within a form (person) that is limited in space and time or flesh may be demeaning him/her below the dignity of the being of eternity and omnipresence.

The consciousness-integrated science (HR) helps in making our expectation of God in tune with the observed universe rather than a mere imagination or blind belief given to us by society, priests, or colored interpretations of scriptures.

Human beings are created to have a greater intelligence than relying on blind belief that undermines the dignity of the creator itself. The seeker always finds it, but a blind believer would seldom find it as the search stops prematurely under a false presumption of the imagined God and false sense of the bliss of ignorance.

Hence, doubt and search until found so the doubt gets dissolved - is the key to find the truth - God. Faith helps to maintain a positive attitude during an ongoing search but not as a false destination.

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Dear Secret Identity:

#11: “Yet there is no definitive proof self-consciousness survives the death of the body. Perhaps it does. I hope that is the case.”

The biological consciousness of the bodily-self (ego) gets born at birth and dies at death. The universal consciousness that powers the biological consciousness and everything else in the universe is eternal – never born nor dies. The eternal and omnipresent natural laws and order of the universe are living proof of this universal consciousness.

There is no bodily or biological life before birth and after death; but consciousness representing the life source is eternal and omnipresent. Once this universal reality is realized, the purpose of human life is achieved, and the questions and potential evolutionary answers related to the cycles of biological life become a mute point like chasing wild geese. This is the important lesson from the enlightenment or the wisdom of the ages.

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Love
Avtar

#15 So your post is a sidewalk, Todd?

Ralph Lauren loves the design of his cars. Steven Hawkings loves the fascination with physics.
But in reading the Book of Solomon and then Daniel, there is no way they could love the idea of God as much as they expressed in those words.
Therefore, by deducted reasoning, I conclude they had to have touched, tasted, smelled, some aspect of God to write the words they did.

Edmund,
Lets say for example you are dreaming.
In the dream you are walking down a sidewalk.
While having the dream you may believe the dream form which is you is actually your body and that the sidewalk is a concrete sidewalk.
Yet when you wake from the dream you realize the entire dream landscape sidewalk, body and everything else is just a projection of consciousness.
Is waking reality any different?
Todd

Is anyone capable of going beyond interpreting the ancient masters texts. Or going beyond the interpretations of modern scientific theory and
exploring consciousness (the universe) with...
originality and authentic insight.
Todd

#24

Are you signing up for the class? Or, is that a rhetorical question?

As Ram Dass said: Words just don't do it anymore.

Sorry Level 7
Moods are harder to get rid of than thoughts, coming so unexpectedly, as they do.

Gotta go do my laundry and bake c cake for my brother's birthday.

Once again. My apologises. Is that spelled right?

Sherry,
I already graduated from the Interpretation 101 Course.
Todd

Dear Level7: Waiting for my cake to bake. But I still don't understand the question, and I guess I'd like to.
Are you asking if the normal waking state is any different from our dream state?

Are you asking if a lengthy elaboration has been established when you say "going beyond interpreting"?

Are you finally asking if someone has explored his own consciousness, uniquely (not originally),
with direct intuition (not authentic insight."?

Nevertheless, I do have my own theory on dreams.

When we dream, reason is not involved. Say we dream we are frightened in a dark house and /or someone is chasing us. All we feel is fear. If we were awake and that happened we would use reason to get us out of it. That's my theory, anyway. Could be because the brain goes to sleep but the old heart keeps on tickin'.

Edmund/Sherry: Todd used the example of 'you and the sidewalk' to illustrate the concept of unity or non-duality. The Vedic tradition uses another analogy that I personally find easier to relate with – the pot and clay, or in more modern terms, the cup and styrofoam. When you pick up a cup made of Styrofoam, you're really picking up Styrofoam - the cup is just a form taken by that particular clump of Styrofoam at the time. If you were to crush the cup beyond recognition, the form is lost, but the Styrofoam still remains. So we could say that Styrofoam is the basic reality of the cup. Similarly, Consciousness is our basic reality and everything else is just form – you, the sidewalk, this post, etc - impermanent and subject to negation.

Oh. I thought that was a given. You know, as in goes without saying. Sorry.

Dear Avtar,

You got me thinking: lol, i know i better did not, but nevertheless :)

One sentence in your reply intrigued me:

"The universal consciousness that powers the biological consciousness and everything else in the universe is eternal.

You talk about spontaneity – free will. Does that mean that the empowerment of the bodies in space is spontaneously? How come scientist discovered the Universe is expanding in an accelerated way? "

Before that, they assumed that gravity slowed down the expansion. Could it be that the Hubble space telescope as the Observer influences the movement of the celestial bodies?

Or is indeed the 96% "dark space" the hidden factor?

And we, as observers of our own (biological) body, as the micro cosmos, are we able to influence the “movement” of our cells.?

Or is there also 96% "dark space"?

If spontaneity is the missing or hidden factor, what then does free will really mean?

Mieke

Swordsman,
Yes exactly.
Todd

#31 sWORDSman, words are for playing with, as you need no telling. I was teasing Todd! Agreed, all posts are a side walk. Where is the middle of the road? Not here.

I live on the corner of Middle Road and Hubbell Lane. I'm not kidding. Damn. All that gematria stuff may be true. Life can be reduced to a metphor, Edmund. You were right.

Whew! Freaking out there. I went back to the article by Avtar to refocus.

Our individual minds are not circles drawn around Mind. Our individual minds have manifested our individual bodies just so it can learn from our individual experiences, which alone it perceives.

The awakening comes when the experiences designed for it are fulfilled and the individual mind begins to realize Mind. In the Yoga Sutras this process is called the inverse resolution of the potencies of Nature.

Edmund/Sherry: seems I misinterpreted your words (in different ways)... good feedback for me ... thanks!

Avtar:

For the record .... I believe that you and I completely do not understand one another (or maybe we do?). You are assuming I am somewhere that I am not and that I am something that I am not.

So I go back into time ... again. No one can take God from me or from anyone else, so I am not threatened as you appear to assume.

People do not jump from point A to C, as they must visit point B as well, even though it may be a short visit and might appear unseen. If there is a jump perceived from A to C, then B was invisible to the seer. And we all know it is really the same point.

God does exist and talking down to me will not intimidate me, nor change my beliefs or faith. You must know that such a one will push the harder? I am willing to expand and it is inevitable, but I will never deny the truth along the path. Surely you are not asking that? Are you?

Love, Char

PS: There is really no need to respond on my part, unless you have a need.

PPS: And I still enjoy most of your posts, even though the wall is back up.

BTW: My God is not ashamed of me and is personal to me in a special way that is significant to me. It's all about me and my God. We all have a right to our personal relationship with God. And no can tell any of anybody about that sacred relationship or lack of. I know that God loves me and that God loves everyone and that everyone loves God and everyone loves everyone - this can never be taken from me, as one might assume. I believe that separating a personal God from a impersonal God is ignorant and surely not a union of oneness. Therefore, I will always comment the moment someone says that God does not exist .... always and forever. But we all have a right to believe in God anyway that we perceive or not perceive. Well, I'm done here.

Hey, sorry if I'm a little callus at the moment, as I'm very low on sleep and getting sick again. The only thing that really matters to me at the moment is this homeless man that I'm really worried about a few blocks from my house at the corner drug store. We don't see much of that where I live and it's getting cold, so that's why he has come up from the the little river under the overpass (freeway) per the sales manager of this store that I talked to last night. I left him a few things (not much) and I dropped off some more stuff this morning & breakfast (not much again). I just don't know what to do. So now, I'm going to check the weather report to make sure it's not going down to freezing. And search the web for homeless stuff. I've heard that when it gets a freezing, the city or agencies send people out to bring the homeless people to shelters. This is an old sr. man who looks like Santa Claus with his cart full of his treasures (junk to me). The manager in the store said it was his life's possessions. Certainly, this man must now qualify for social security and Medicare (or Medicaid) as well as food stamps and other stuff. I look at him and see my dad - how can I leave him on the streets, as he seems to have given up. I have no place for him in my little one bedroom apartment, plus I don't know if he is dangerous or mentally ill. I cannot believe anyone wants to live like that. The lady in the store said, maybe he wants to be free and doesn't want to work and he seems like the hippy type. Yep, that being said, he is old enough to get some kind of government care. He thanks me and wishes me merry Christmas when I drop stuff off. This has been going on since this Saturday for. I'm told he was has been there for month, but on the other side of the store, so I never saw him. I asked him if he wanted me to call some housing numbers on Saturday and his comment was, "Why?" The store manager saids he is real nice and talkative when he gets going and has done a little shopping in the store, but mostly buying and returning stuff, as well as washing up and using the restroom. It's sad. Plus this guys appears to be intelligent. If he were my father, I would want someone to help him. Plus I am reminded of the Jesus story, that what we do to another, we do unto Jesus, i.e., ourselves. I feel as though Spirit has drawn me to him, so I'm assuming I might be able to help .... at least give him some food, which is not enough. His sign says, "help just one ..." with numbers that I don't understand. I guess I need to ask him what kind of help he needs. Like most, I did not want to get involved, but I know I need to do something as I cannot bear it. So, I'm off to searching the web .....

Love, Char

Dear Mieke:

#32: “You talk about spontaneity – free will. Does that mean that the empowerment of the bodies in space is spontaneously? How come scientist discovered the Universe is expanding in an accelerated way? "
……Before that, they assumed that gravity slowed down the expansion. Could it be that the Hubble space telescope as the Observer influences the movement of the celestial bodies?
……Or is indeed the 96% "dark space" the hidden factor?
…….And we, as observers of our own (biological) body, as the micro cosmos, are we able to influence the “movement” of our cells.?
…….Or is there also 96% "dark space"?
…….If spontaneity is the missing or hidden factor, what then does free will really mean?”
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You have asked some excellent questions, Mieke. Let me try to answer them in a simple language (translating mathematical results of HR):

Yes, the so called Dark Energy is shown to be the Hidden Factor that energizes or accelerates the expansion of the universe. It is the anti-gravity that opposes the attraction of gravity from material bodies of the universe.

There is a critical distance depending upon the amount of mass below which gravity overpowers anti-gravity at universal order distances.

The gravity pull balanced by the opposing centrifugal force due to their rotary motion keeps the stars in galaxies and planets in solar system together without them flying away or collapsing onto each other.

However, at universal distances several orders larger than galactic distances, the force of gravity diminishes to much smaller values than the anti-gravity expansive force of the vacuum or dark energy. Ever since, scientists have been able to see farther and father with new powerful telescopes, such as Hubble, they began to notice this acceleration, which was not observable in the near field due to limited observation capabilities of the earlier less powerful telescopes. There is neither metaphysical force from the observer nor QM (quantum mysticism) black magic causing the acceleration; it is all explained by relativistic physics.

Our cells are made of atoms that consist of 99.99…% empty space since the existing nucleus and circulating electrons occupy only very tiny volume of the overall atom. The empty volume is not actually empty but full of vacuum energy or dark energy.

And yes, our consciousness (empowered by the universal consciousness) empowers the cells and makes them living as well as change and multiply.

Free will means the inherent capability to change the state of being without an externally required force, for example the spontaneous decay of an atom to transform to energy or spontaneous acceleration of a photon to the speed of light.

The free will of an atom is limited by the strong nuclear binding forces within it. Similarly, the free will of our body made of atoms is limited or constrained. If we let our mind (ego) remain bounded by the attractive forces of beliefs, convictions, thoughts, and emotions, again we limit our free will via overcoming the conscious or antigravity expansive forces.

When we dissolve our thoughts, emotions, beliefs, and convictions via dissolving the mind (overcoming worldly forces of attraction), we allow the anti-gravity to overcome gravity (ego) leading to an accelerated expansion by the consciousness’ expansive energy, such as during deep meditation. This accelerated expansion is the phenomenon of enlightenment (de-mass-ment to energy or ego-dissolution to consciousness).

I hope that answers your question in a comprehensible way. This is derived from the HR mathematical model of the observed expansion of the universe described in my book – The Hidden Factor, which shows excellent predictions of the Hubble and Supernova observations data.

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Love
Avtar

Post #28
Maybe over a year ago, I was dreaming, sleeping in bed on my left side, and I said to myself "I must be dreaming. Well how can I tell?". So I then thought, "Well wake up and see if you are." So I did. And I was.

Maintain an alertness of consciousness in eating , sleeping, walking, and sitting.- Tibetan Buddhist Precept WY Evans-Wentz

In Okinawan Shorin Ryu karate we were told not to pull up the root to see if the plant is growing. But I'm Taurus, I do it all the time.

Yo, Taurus. It's okay, I'm settled in again and rooting for you and your beautiful compost!

Dear Avtar,

Thank you very much for your very comprehensible answer :)

It does clear up a few things for me and as Yoga means uniting, i was able from your above explanation and the wonderful explanation of the scientists at the Hubble site, to unite much of your vision with that of Harb.

Watch the video and the exploration next to it from this link at the Hubble site:

http://hubblesite.org/hubble_discoveries/dark_energy/

You write:

"The free will of an atom is limited by the strong nuclear binding forces within it. Similarly, the free will of our body made of atoms is limited or constrained. If we let our mind (ego) remain bounded by the attractive forces of beliefs, convictions, thoughts, and emotions, again we limit our free will via overcoming the conscious or antigravity expansive forces."

Here we have to sort of "jump" from the Strong force to the Weak force. Spontaneous insight! :)

Hubble discovery, a few excerpts:

-Dark energy, a force we never encountered before. An energy, to come from empty space.

- Unexplained force is changing our Universe, forces galaxies farther and farther apart.

- How does a Weak force become a dominant force in the Universe?

- Scientists now think this: When the universe was born in the Big Bang, it was expanding extremely fast. It was also much smaller and thus denser than it is today. Because the universe’s mass was so close together, gravity began slowing the universe down.

- But in the background the entire time was this other, mysterious repulsive force – the force scientists would come to call “dark energy”. In other words, the Weak force.

You see Harb and you tell the same, right into the fifth force:

"The universal consciousness that powers the biological consciousness and everything else in the universe eternally."

Again all good things come in three for me :)

Harb’s timeless vision and evolution theory, your scientific timeless insights that for me explain the “hidden factor”, and the Hubble site , who still has to discover that 5th force :), spontaneously!

How exciting this future indeed is!!

Thanks again, am going to buy your book and start studying the physics of it all.

Season's greetings and happy holidays to you and yours,

Mieke

Mieke,
You're quite a peacemaker and unifier.
Good work.
Todd

"Religion's biggest enemy is the blind faith in a personal God that does not exist."

An enemy is somthing that takes something that is yours. Here blind faith is taking away your opportunity to prove God exists to yourself and that all the stories you've heard about Him were right. Blind faith is the liar and the deceiver and until it is removed God does not enter into your existence consciously.

Dear Char, It sounds like He already has with you.

Sorry , but I love a mystery and I couldn't figure out why you were so riled up here.

Dear Todd,

Your thoughtful comments also contribute to unity :)

And let's not forget dear Desh Kapoor. His latest blogpost spontaneously gave me the insight of going through Avtar’s theory again. I have received a couple of papers from him in the past.

Dear Kubaner,

I am certainly giving reason a chance to find the truth. I have done this from the beginning of the existence of this Intentblog.

For your information: I have translated Harbhajan Singh's book "Self Designed Universe" into my native language (Dutch) because his vision resonated with an experience i have had in the beginning of my thirties and because i figured that by translating a scientific book, i would be much more able to learn from it.

I have been a part of the discussion on Holistic Quantum Relativity here on Intentblog and regularly commented on Avtar's posts.

You write:
"Does this mean we should attribute the unknown to God, or should we just give the laws of physics time to come up with an answer?"

In 2011 a new space telescope will be able to look even more deeper into our universe than Hubble is doing now. If you read the different articles on the Hubble sites, both the American and European ones, you see what scientists have in mind the coming years.

What the discovery of the dark energy is all about in my perspective, is to point out that there is something that Gives the Order Dynamically (GOD) "by a common set of universal laws which govern the behaviour of the matter, mind and consciousness", to use Avtar's words between the brackets.

And those four universal laws or forces are excellently described by Harbhajan Singh.

What Avtar is adding is the Gravity Nullification Model which is the same as the Zero point energy or Cosmological constant Einstein talked about.

It is all about the order in nature, the moral nature of the Universe as depicted by the self-decaying particles of matter, that loose their own mass and identity to enliven the Universe and propel life.

To me: consciousness, being the blank screen, open mind that is not concerned whether it all will happen during its lifetime but more in the evolution of mankind as a whole.

Like Deepak tells about the human body and all its cells that spontaneously decay to enliven my micro-cosmos and propel life in me.

I hope i made myself clear, sorry for the long response.

With gratitude,

Mieke

The reason, I got a little hot was that I started out with blind faith and if I had not believed it were possible to get closer to God or Spirit, I would have never been able to grow spiritually. I had to first believe that it could be done by a source that I trusted. So I like the way Sherry put it and now I can see the point of Avtar's comments, as my faith did not stay blind and actually, I had to give up some old thoughts and concepts (i.e., beliefs) and I am sure I will expand to let go of some more things. I was also trying to make a point and I can now see that Avtar was as well. My comments are more alone the lines of how to deal with someone like me - a Christian. So I need to be a little more versed on these boards, I guess. But I'm still me expanding to know mySelf :-) ... as we all are, I suppose. My desire is to make oneness work with destroying parts of the whole. So I've got a lot to learn!

Love, Char

Thank you Char for not being mad at me. I was worried throughout the day that I may have been too presumptuous.

You know I had to ponder that quote of Avtar's for a long while and too in a dyslexix state, meaning I too couldn't get the sense of it right away. But I started out with the assumption that Deepak would trust this man, Avtar Singh,to ask him to participate on this web site.

I meant "WITHOUT destroying" parts of the whole.

Sherry - I can be pretty tough, I'm just very tired and grouchy, but much better than yesterday. My lower stomach has been burning all day and it is very strange, as I wonder if that homeless man has a stomach problem. I've been so worried about that homeless gentlemen that it's been too much for me to handle. Thank goodness there is help and a shelter director will make some calls to get someone out to see if that homeless man will let someone help him. And if nothing else, they will bring him some blankets tonight. I've tried to reach the store manager several times to find out what is going on and keep missing her, so maybe that's a sign to not worry. It going to be about 35 degrees tonight and last night it was 44 and cold. This is the first night that he might not make it. And if they can't get to him, I've got to deal with it tonight after work and it will not be before 7:00 p.m. So I have been praying all day, that it will be taken care of, as it's too much. Just imagine what that homeless man has been going thru and has had to deal with and I'm whining because I've lost sleep by helping him. So I can see that I have been blessed, as I deal with this situation and I should never complain, but here I am doing it again.

And BTW: Unfortunately, I trust no one. However, I have more trust for Deepak than anyone else. But isn't that the blind faith that Avtar is talking about, as we must experience the truth. Anyway, God is teaching me how to trust him as he keeps telling me, "God is faithful," which means that we can trust God and depend on him - better yet (maybe), to trust ourselves as we grow to know ourSelf. Yes, I know we do not understand all the things that happen and many times when everything goes wrong, we loss our faith in God and ourself. I will always be a believer and I can only hope to expand and understand God better in that vein, as well as understanding others better.

Love, Char

It depends on who answers the question.