Hello Avtar and Everyone,

Avtar I totally get this!! thanks. have a great week all....ruth (the orig)

Dr. Singh:

Another good one! I can see this is in response to a question by Naj on your last article. I think you have framed the context well.

If I understood Naj correctly, then he seemed to imply that the Bhakti Yogis were "followers" - since had "Love".. and so there should be an object of love by logical reasoning.

This is the problem with the understanding of "Love" itself as it is understood in the materialistic framework while interpreting the spiritual Love. That is why I believe "love" has NOT been used in the - at least - the Vedantic texts. The closest word to Bhakti is Devotion. Bhakti is non-judgmental and self-less.

Another important point, none of the Bhakti Yogis that you mentioned - Nanak, Buddha or Jesus - had a known "Human guru". They achieved their enlightenment off of their OWN effort... "Purushaarth" - as Yoga Vasistha calls it. So, in absence of a "specific" object of love or devotion, their Love took a boundless form.

Now, the question on following. Ram - as an incarnation - was supposed to be the one who was functioning within the bounds of Maryaada (or principles) [which is strange since he was the first hand recipient of the knowledge from Vasistha himself!]. That is why he is always considered less than perfect. The ONLY perfect incarnation or soul in the Vedantic literature is Krishna. Krishna, because was unbound.

And also because Krishna transended all the "schools" of Yoga. Jesus could be a Bhakti Yogi. He could not leave his path and perfect Jnana Yoga or Karma Yoga... and then relate all to his followers to let them "choose" any and feel content.

It looks so simple about what has been said in Gita, but no one before or since has had the vision to go BEYOND any ONE school and describe all to perfection to create a buffet of enlightenment paths, if you will. Lifetimes went in achieving enlightenment from just ONE school / path, and that was enough to make these masters ecstatic enough to start preaching.. without having the realization of any other way!

THAT is why there is an "I" in preaching "a" path. For it is the ONLY way that resonated with YOUR soul... which may not work for the other!

Following any one never gets one anywhere. Every "soul" is unique. Its resonating frequency is its own. The way to subside its vibrations is also unique.

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Dr Singh, you wrote:

"They achieved their realization thru dissolution of the ego-self via merging it into the oneness of the ultimate reality. It is not their physical rituals of chanting by mouth or dancing on their feet that did the trick as most of us common so-called Bhagats (religionists) do. They were true YOGIS – who achieved YOGA or unity via dissolving their separated ego identity. Their true yoga or inner union with the universal consciousness was their secret to enlightenment and not the commonly perceived outer rituals of bodily chanting or dancing, or memorization of the religious hymns."

So, why do you think they chant and dance anyway? Of course, that's not their ultimate goal, but it must be helpful, otherwise they wouldn't do that I think. It's not like I can say "today my ego dissolves" and it happens so, there is something needed, some ritual, prayer, meditation, whatever, don't you think?

beautiful

Dr.Singh,

Thanks for the post

"Hence, the path to enlightenment, single or many-fold, is a misnomer. Just as we do not need a path or set of rituals to awaken in the morning from night’s sleep, enlightenment needs no hard-set path, extraneously imposed morals/rules of conduct, or rituals to be performed. "

I am not convinced. To wake up from sleep, I do think there is some kind of actions, probably a series of actions in steps taking place in our body, though unconciously, without us knowing. There could be a number of ways or series of actions or paths, as we wake up because of different causes or situations. Since this is a routine without which we can't awake, it can be termed as rituals. Ritual for getting up!

I agree fully that the sun is shining always but the question is how do you open your eyes? Will some rituals helps? whirling, for example? Will learning how the mass of an object increases when it is accelerated by an external force help? There are numerous examples in which rituals enable people to transcend. Again, I did not mean the 'moving with the motion' type of doing rituals.

Incidentally, I have doubt about the validity of using such analogies for the apprisal of supplementing actions of ego in this case or generally speaking, for processes . Is it because of my metntal prejudices? Could be. But my point is: It is true that if one donates just to satisfy his convictions, it will not be much helpful in the path, as it is merely a preference of one desire or clinging over another and almost certainly ego will increase - if it not done with proper intention or metntal setting. I am sure that there is mathematical ways to explain why there is such an increase and there must be theoretical interpretation for it. Are you sure that it is exactly the same mechanism that is at work when the ego increases? What is the the atrribute of the ego that can be substituted for mass in those equations and what is its theoretical intrepreation? I do not think it is scientific to judge two processes to be the same or similar just because the end product is the same or apparntly similar attribute of the two different objects undergoes purpotedly the same changes. It is possible for analogies to be deceitful.

Coming back to donating or generally speaking, following a certain discipline, I still think that for a person who does not have the tendency to share his wealth and value that wealth more than anything, should start donating first, even forcing himself. Slowly with right intention and with the help, of some one who has progressed beyond that level and who can advise him what should be his intention or feeling, will progress. He needs to witness what is happening in his mind. But if the person fails to realise this aspect of the action, then it will become fruitless in the spiritual dimension. I think you are missing this point.

It is said that Valmiki was a robber and once he happened to meet a group of saints, whom he tried to rob. After some conversation, a change occured to him and the saints asked him to chant 'rama, rama or (...maramara..). Did this help Valmiki? It did, as history prooves. Was this a ritual? If not, what is a it?

"They achieved their realization thru dissolution of the ego-self via merging it into the oneness of the ultimate reality. It is not their physical rituals of chanting by mouth or dancing on their feet that did the trick as most of us common so-called Bhagats (religionists) do. They were true YOGIS – who achieved YOGA or unity via dissolving their separated ego identity."

How did they dissolve their ego-self? How do you know it is not the rituals of chanting that did the 'trick' - you have not shown how or why it is not. The last two sentences are not logically connected. How did they become true Yogis? Are you saying there were so since their birth?

"Their true yoga or inner union with the universal consciousness was their secret to enlightenment and not the commonly perceived outer rituals of bodily chanting or dancing, or memorization of the religious hymns"

How did they unite? What is the secret? Can we know it or do you know? If it is not the commonly perceived outer rituals, then what is it? As can be seen here, you have not answered the earlier question of what these great masters proposed. (or did I miss it?) Let me ask again, if these were not the methods, what did they propose?

Am I exaggerating the role of rituals? I hope not. I am sure you know the story of persons who carried the raft even after crossing the river. But the story does not negate the help that the raft served in crossing the river

Desh,

See how the toxic-faith or blind believe that Dr.Sing speaks about is being manifested thru you:

"It looks so simple about what has been said in Gita, but no one before or since has had the vision to go BEYOND any ONE school and describe all to perfection to create a buffet of enlightenment paths, if you will. Lifetimes went in achieving enlightenment from just ONE school / path, and that was enough to make these masters ecstatic enough to start preaching.. without having the realization of any other way!"

Have you studied all spiritual traditions, that existed since human started to develop in that dimension, to declare so?

Had you written ".. no one before or since that I KNOW has had...", it would have gone beyond the releam of, say jingoism

Dr.Singh,

just one more point:

"How does the consciousness-integrated science vindicate the simple wisdom governing enlightenment? Holistic Relativity reveals that no mass or particle, howsoever small, could ever be accelerated to the speed of light by an externally imposed force, howsoever large, as it would need an infinite amount of the energy beyond the universe. On the other hand, any mass particle, howsoever small, has enough energy within its own mass that can be transformed to achieve the kinetic energy at the speed of light. The only entity, photon of light that moves at or close to the speed of light achieved its speed via self-induced or free-willed transformation of stationary mass to kinetic energy.

The scientific revelation above is the crux of the spiritual massage of the masters as to how to achieve enlightenment. Any person of ego, howsoever small or large, has enough capacity (subject to its own free-will) to transform (enlightenment or de-mass-ment) into consciousness or full awareness. But no extraneous force consisting of a prescribed set of rituals/morals or manifold paths could ever enlighten an ego to achieve consciousness."

In the light of the above two paras, I have two more questions or rather rephrasing of the earlier question.

i) Photons and if i am not wrong entire spectrum of electromagnetic radiation are generated because of nuclear fusion or fission. Why do you call it a free-willed transformation? As per my understanding, given conducive situation, the matter should undergo fusion or fission. Is it possible for hydrogen atom in Sun to choose not to undergo nuclear fustion and thus not transformed to photons and prove its free-will?

ii) Taking that as true, how can you be sure that it is the same kind of transformation that is occuring when a person 'turns' enlightened? Especially if you have not gone thru it? Why must it be that if you can't accelerate a particle to the velocity of light by an external force, a ritual too can't/should not help a person to progress in the path? Is it because of your eagerness to prove that same laws govern spirituality and science. I have nothing against that theory. May be there is another natural phenomenon and the attribute of which can be enhanced by external forces will be a better example? You would not know until you are able breakdown both the process in to steps and compare its effect.

Hi Admin:

Can you pls delete the #8 by "styre" (Kate's profile page) impersonating as me? I did not write it.

Dibble: I will reply to you a little later as I am in a hurry to rush somewhere.

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Avtar,
Drishti is Shristi.
Todd

"Drishti is Shristi."

My Translation(s):

*Perception is Creation.

*The World is what you See.

*Hindu philosophical statement in Sanskrit which can be interpreted as, "you create reality with your perception"

"Drishti is Shristi."

Related quote(s):

"When you change the way you look at things,
the things you look at change."

Attributed to Max Planck
Quoted by Wayne Dyer

Todd:

Very well said.

Dragon: Creation is the normal word used to translate the sanskrit word "Srishti"... but as Swami Vivekananda often emphasized.. Srishti is really equivalent to "Projection" or Manifestation...

Sanskrit texts it seems do not use a clearly equivalent word for creation. Deliberate? I think so.

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Dear Avtar,

I enjoyed your post, even though I had to say a little prayer to get thru the second paragraph, as I asked God to give me understanding and patience. I can see what you are saying, but I still think the baby is being thrown out with the bath water. Personally, I think the post was a little harsh, like tough love, in order to get a point across. It seems to alienate other folks who have not reached the awakening and who follow a religion or master to get there. My impression was that what you are saying is that the rest of us are wrong and your way of enlightenment is the only way. The other folks cannot be left out and who is to say a tool of religion or a spiritual book cannot wake someone up? Sorry, as I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but that's the way I perceive it. There was only one other place that I found difficult to consume, as the rest was excellent. There is great wisdom in your words, but a softer approach might work a little better if the goal is to help others, like Deepak does.

Love, Char

Dear Desh:

#2: “THAT is why there is an "I" in preaching "a" path. For it is the ONLY way that resonated with YOUR soul... which may not work for the other! ……Following any one never gets one anywhere. Every "soul" is unique. Its resonating frequency is its own. The way to subside its vibrations is also unique.”

Well said.

That is why Buddha said – “Upp Dipo Bhav” or Be Your Own Light.

And Nanak said – “Homei bujhe taa dar sujhe” or One who uncovers the secret of Ego as the root cause of suffering/delusion, finds the door to salvation.

And Kabir said- “Ghungat ke pat khol, tujhe piya milenge” or Lift your veil and you will meet the Lord.

And based on their common experiences, they unequivocally denounced empty rituals/dogmas as worthless and wasteful in realizing the ultimate truth.

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Dear Naj:

#5 & #7:

Thanks for reading my posts and spending your valuable time pondering and asking several thoughtful questions.

Most of the answers are described in detail in my publications including the book – The Hidden Factor: An Approach for Resolving paradoxes of Science, Cosmology, and Universal Reality.” You are welcome to read my publications if interested in detailed answers to your questions. However, if you remain unconvinced, it is entirely your prerogative. I can guarantee you that you won’t break my heart. I am not here to preach or convince you (or anyone else) of my beliefs; I am merely stating my findings that I see miraculous and worth sharing.

The facts that the approach predicts the scientific observations of the universe (including the Hubble and recent Supernova data showing the accelerated expansion), resolves key paradoxes of the existing widely accepted theories (QM and Relativity) of science, and at the same time vindicates Einstein, Buddha, Nanak, Jesus, and non-duality of Advaita are solid and convincing proofs (to me at least) of its rigor.

On the other hand, if rituals were a way to attain enlightenment, millions of priests in the world and other billions of so-called “Bhagats” (religionists) who already have been following the rituals would have become enlightened and this world would have become an enlightened heaven by now instead of a war-torn and terror-dominated world as exists today. What more proof one needs to establish the fallacy of the prevailing rituals and dogmas of religion?

I have nothing against rituals or beliefs as such; they are misleading and irrelevant distractions away from seeking the truth. Since a blind following of the rituals is probably the easiest thing to do, I would be more than happy to see the billions of common people getting enlightened by following the religious rituals and beliefs.

I would also be glad to see you or anyone else demonstrating (if worthwhile) the credibility and validity of your hypothesis of “rituals leading to enlightenment” against the observations of the universe and resolving paradoxes paralyzing science today. Are you willing to take on that challenge?

Peace, until then.

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Love
Avtar

Dear Desh:

#2: “THAT is why there is an "I" in preaching "a" path. For it is the ONLY way that resonated with YOUR soul... which may not work for the other! ……Following any one never gets one anywhere. Every "soul" is unique. Its resonating frequency is its own. The way to subside its vibrations is also unique.”

Well said.

That is why Buddha said – “Upp Dipo Bhav” or Be Your Own Light.

And Nanak said – “Homei bujhe taa dar sujhe” or One who uncovers the secret of Ego as the root cause of suffering/delusion, finds the door to salvation.

And Kabir said- “Ghungat ke pat khol, tujhe piya milenge” or Lift your veil and you will meet the Lord.

And based on their common experiences, they unequivocally denounced empty rituals/dogmas as worthless and wasteful in realizing the ultimate truth.

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Dear Naj:

#5 & #7:

Thanks for reading my posts and spending your valuable time pondering and asking several thoughtful questions.

Most of the answers are described in detail in my publications including the book – The Hidden Factor: An Approach for Resolving paradoxes of Science, Cosmology, and Universal Reality.” You are welcome to read my publications if interested in detailed answers to your questions. However, if you remain unconvinced, it is entirely your prerogative. I can guarantee you that you won’t break my heart. I am not here to preach or convince you (or anyone else) of my beliefs; I am merely stating my findings that I see miraculous and worth sharing.

The facts that the approach predicts the scientific observations of the universe (including the Hubble and recent Supernova data showing the accelerated expansion), resolves key paradoxes of the existing widely accepted theories (QM and Relativity) of science, and at the same time vindicates Einstein, Buddha, Nanak, Jesus, and non-duality of Advaita are solid and convincing proofs (to me at least) of its rigor.

On the other hand, if rituals were a way to attain enlightenment, millions of priests in the world and other billions of so-called “Bhagats” (religionists) who already have been following the rituals would have become enlightened and this world would have become an enlightened heaven by now instead of a war-torn and terror-dominated world as exists today. What more proof one needs to establish the fallacy of the prevailing rituals and dogmas of religion?

I have nothing against rituals or beliefs as such; they are misleading and irrelevant distractions away from seeking the truth. Since a blind following of the rituals is probably the easiest thing to do, I would be more than happy to see the billions of common people getting enlightened by following the religious rituals and beliefs.

I would also be glad to see you or anyone else demonstrating (if worthwhile) the credibility and validity of your hypothesis of “rituals leading to enlightenment” against the observations of the universe and resolving paradoxes paralyzing science today. Are you willing to take on that challenge?

Peace, until then.

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Love
Avtar

Dear Desh:

#2: “THAT is why there is an "I" in preaching "a" path. For it is the ONLY way that resonated with YOUR soul... which may not work for the other! ……Following any one never gets one anywhere. Every "soul" is unique. Its resonating frequency is its own. The way to subside its vibrations is also unique.”

Well said.

That is why Buddha said – “Upp Dipo Bhav” or Be Your Own Light.

And Nanak said – “Homei bujhe taa dar sujhe” or One who uncovers the secret of Ego as the root cause of suffering/delusion, finds the door to salvation.

And Kabir said- “Ghungat ke pat khol, tujhe piya milenge” or Lift your veil and you will meet the Lord.

And based on their common experiences, they unequivocally denounced empty rituals/dogmas as worthless and wasteful in realizing the ultimate truth.

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Dear Naj:

#5 & #7:

Thanks for reading my posts and spending your valuable time pondering and asking several thoughtful questions.

Most of the answers are described in detail in my publications including the book – The Hidden Factor: An Approach for Resolving paradoxes of Science, Cosmology, and Universal Reality.” You are welcome to read my publications if interested in detailed answers to your questions. However, if you remain unconvinced, it is entirely your prerogative. I can guarantee you that you won’t break my heart. I am not here to preach or convince you (or anyone else) of my beliefs; I am merely stating my findings that I see miraculous and worth sharing.

The facts that the approach predicts the scientific observations of the universe (including the Hubble and recent Supernova data showing the accelerated expansion), resolves key paradoxes of the existing widely accepted theories (QM and Relativity) of science, and at the same time vindicates Einstein, Buddha, Nanak, Jesus, and non-duality of Advaita are solid and convincing proofs (to me at least) of its rigor.

On the other hand, if rituals were a way to attain enlightenment, millions of priests in the world and other billions of so-called “Bhagats” (religionists) who already have been following the rituals would have become enlightened and this world would have become an enlightened heaven by now instead of a war-torn and terror-dominated world as exists today. What more proof one needs to establish the fallacy of the prevailing rituals and dogmas of religion?

I have nothing against rituals or beliefs as such; they are misleading and irrelevant distractions away from seeking the truth. Since a blind following of the rituals is probably the easiest thing to do, I would be more than happy to see the billions of common people getting enlightened by following the religious rituals and beliefs.

I would also be glad to see you or anyone else demonstrating (if worthwhile) the credibility and validity of your hypothesis of “rituals leading to enlightenment” against the observations of the universe and resolving paradoxes paralyzing science today. Are you willing to take on that challenge?

Peace, until then.

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Love
Avtar

Dear Desh:

#2: “THAT is why there is an "I" in preaching "a" path. For it is the ONLY way that resonated with YOUR soul... which may not work for the other! ……Following any one never gets one anywhere. Every "soul" is unique. Its resonating frequency is its own. The way to subside its vibrations is also unique.”

Well said.

That is why Buddha said – “Upp Dipo Bhav” or Be Your Own Light.

And Nanak said – “Homei bujhe taa dar sujhe” or One who uncovers the secret of Ego as the root cause of suffering/delusion, finds the door to salvation.

And Kabir said- “Ghungat ke pat khol, tujhe piya milenge” or Lift your veil and you will meet the Lord.

And based on their common experiences, they unequivocally denounced empty rituals/dogmas as worthless and wasteful in realizing the ultimate truth.

------------ -------------------- -----------------

Dear Naj:

#5 & #7:

Thanks for reading my posts and spending your valuable time pondering and asking several thoughtful questions.

Most of the answers are described in detail in my publications including the book – The Hidden Factor: An Approach for Resolving paradoxes of Science, Cosmology, and Universal Reality.” You are welcome to read my publications if interested in detailed answers to your questions. However, if you remain unconvinced, it is entirely your prerogative. I can guarantee you that you won’t break my heart. I am not here to preach or convince you (or anyone else) of my beliefs; I am merely stating my findings that I see miraculous and worth sharing.

The facts that the approach predicts the scientific observations of the universe (including the Hubble and recent Supernova data showing the accelerated expansion), resolves key paradoxes of the existing widely accepted theories (QM and Relativity) of science, and at the same time vindicates Einstein, Buddha, Nanak, Jesus, and non-duality of Advaita are solid and convincing proofs (to me at least) of its rigor.

On the other hand, if rituals were a way to attain enlightenment, millions of priests in the world and other billions of so-called “Bhagats” (religionists) who already have been following the rituals would have become enlightened and this world would have become an enlightened heaven by now instead of a war-torn and terror-dominated world as exists today. What more proof one needs to establish the fallacy of the prevailing rituals and dogmas of religion?

I have nothing against rituals or beliefs as such; they are misleading and irrelevant distractions away from seeking the truth. Since a blind following of the rituals is probably the easiest thing to do, I would be more than happy to see the billions of common people getting enlightened by following the religious rituals and beliefs.

I would also be glad to see you or anyone else demonstrating (if worthwhile) the credibility and validity of your hypothesis of “rituals leading to enlightenment” against the observations of the universe and resolving paradoxes paralyzing science today. Are you willing to take on that challenge?

Peace, until then.

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Love
Avtar

Dr. Singh,

Thanks for the reply. However I am little disappointed. I expected - though you are not bound - to read a direct reply at least for the question regarding the scientific examples you so confidentally cite. I am really curious to know how did you conclude that the increase of mass due to external acceleration and boosting of ego some suffers because of doing rituals are one and the same. I will try to read your books, but would you be able to find some time to answer this question?

As I stated earlier, I am not over-emphasising the role of rituals or a regime of discipline. In order to remove the veils of conventional consciousness, rituals are helpful. But how?

My idea is this: As Kabir said one needs to lift the veils. It is obvious that, generally speaking, by engaging in normal day-to-day affairs, one will not be able to lift the veil. If it was possible, everyone would be seeing the truth now. As everybody knows, that is not the case. It becomes imperative to seek other ways or methods or set of actions to lift the veil or to become the light of ourselves. One needs to carry out a set of actions, with right intentions and proper perspective to move towards removing the veils. This system of discipline, if practised with proper perpective will help you to keep or concentrate on certain ideas and the persistant presence and progressive development of these ideas in the mind will in turn influence the person, helping him to remove the dust from the mirror. This is the role of the rituals. It is only a vehicle.

It doesn't mean enlightenment is guaranteed for everyone who follow these rituals/ actions blindly or mechanically. It is not much different from every scientist is not winning Nobel prize or not everyone who gets in to a vehicle reach the destination or not every scientist reaches the same conclusion, even if the truth is one and the same. Nobody, as far as I know has said imitative acceptance of belifs will surely make you see the truth.

"What more proof one needs to establish the fallacy of the prevailing rituals and dogmas of religion?"

I need more proofs. It only shows that most have lost the ability to grasp the underlying intentions of these actions and identify it with their ego. It only shows that a paradigm shift in the perspecitive is necessary. Furthermore, can you guarantee that if everybody start to observe and resolve the paradoxes prevailing in science today, we would have a better world, that is free from war and terror? If not, why do you insist rituals should do the job?

If the fact that billions who practice rituals are not enlightened shows the ineffectiveness of rituals, can I elaborate that logic and say that the simple fact that all scientists - who by definition observe and resolve paradoxes of science - no matter what his/her calibre is, are not enlightened prooves its uselessness too? And as far as I know, none of the persons you mention, Guru Nanak, Jesus or Budha called themselves scientists in the meaning we now attach to the word. Again, I would be interested to know the name of at least one scientist, who observed and resolved problems prevailing in science and thus became enlightened. This of course is not a challenge!

In fact even if you can produce thousands of such names, if I can cite a single scientist who is not enlightened - there are many who will be ready to declare so or even deny enlightenment altogether, - it will invalidate "observations of the universe and resolving paradoxes paralyzing science today" as a method of enlightenment. Or do you think not everybody who observe and solve the puzzles of science will not be enlightened? If so, why do you insist that in order to prove the credibility and validity of rituals, every single one of those who practise certain rituals should get enlightened ?

"I can guarantee you that you won’t break my heart. "

Frankly, I am surprised to read it. While I was reading your post or writing my comment such a thought never crossed my mind. However, since you wrote it, I would like to comment a bit as it seems there is some relevance to the subject we are discussing abot. But pls do not take it as a personal criticism.

There are two possible reasons when a person writes such a sentence: one is to show that I am not attached to the theory as such and even if it is proved wrong, nothing will happen to me. Second is that my attachment to the theory is so strong that this kind of criticism will not shatter my heart or convictions, and furthermore many others have already agreed to it. This kind of attachment is detrimental. This kind of attachment to a ritual or theory is what actually hinders the progress of a person and not the ritual itself.

Peace Always

Dear Naj,

I entirely understand your frustration with this thoughtful and considerate man.

Entire

96 + 4

I imagine we are at the point of clarifying the symbolism of

the wheel within a wheel, or the dream within a dream.

Concentrate on the one who is aware in a most focused state of attention.

To attain to perfection is a worthy goal which absolutely requires

the habit(ritual) of practicing, and which (as far as I am concerned)

in turn(wheel), requires one moment after another in succession.

My Creation includes the Entire shebang.

Me2 = 1 + 99 to the highest power = Aum! Saved by zero

Peace bro! Now and forever...

Dear Rahul,

Thanks the quote.

Keith,

Exactly, that is the point. Consistant practicing. In fact, it can't be otherwise, even in the so called material world.

I wonder, Keith and Naj, if one could ever define 'perfection.' Maybe, no practice is required, as such. I tend to side with Avtar, more intuitively than intellectually, I grant. For me, it must be an undoing or even a not-doing.
I am to be unconditionally and uncertainly flowing with each unique living moment. My defined flow is what I make of my interplay with the whole. 'God' is indelibly flashing on my screen, so to speak. He is neither perfect nor imperfect. Until I see that 'both' concepts are just mental weavings of a potential on my part I will not see my holistic connection. God and the ego are actually one and the same, in my view. It's ever my preference that gives rise to compensating partners or dualities upon my screen.

Our black and white screen should, long ago, have given way to technicolour, not to mention the ground-breaking surrealities of The Matrix!

What happens when 'God' really hits this fan, I have yet to find out!

There you are. That's me struggling with it.

Ed and Naj,

"Be ye perfect, as our Father in Heaven is perfect."

"I only wish to please the Father."

Jesus had preferences, too.

The Art of Living

What else?

Do I get better

every day or a tad bit more

efficient in walking the walk of Life?

.

It's all relative this time of year.

Deck the halls, not your neighbor.

There's still the "example" thang, Ed.

That's why we practice, I do believe.

Cheers, mates!

Dear waylay:

#18: "The high function of Occidental myth and ritual . . . is to establish a means of relationship--of God to Man and Man to God…….A ritual is the enactment of a myth.” – Jo Campbell


Very True, but misunderstood and misinterpreted by most. Myth is often mistaken as the mysterious or unknown. The two are opposites. And that is the whole point of the post.

Rituals are Myths to establish relationship between the mythical (impersonated) god(s) and the mythical ego of the man. They represent the vicious circle of Mithya or illusion.

Choiceless awareness is Spirituality to realize the ONENESS or non-duality between the real self and the universal reality or the TRUTH as it exists. It is the ultimate dissolution of Mithya (mythical) – the vicious circle.

Spirituality reveals the mysterious reality; rituals dwell in and reinforce the mythical imagination or illusion.

Let us not forget –

Mythical is not the Mysterious but the ultimate incurable irreversible Delusion of the Mysterious.

A myth is the premature dead end of mystery, just as a belief is the premature dead end of faith.


Avtar