The ego is a transient fictional consciousness created identity. It is a fiction.
There is only (one) undivided, non-dual consciousness that is the creator of all manifestations.
Choiceless Awareness is exactly what the term dictates. People assume that there is an I that is themselves making choices and generating feedback response. (There isn't).
There is only a single movement of consciousness that all of creation shares.
It takes the whole universe to perform a single action.
So in other words there is only God.
Religious and social ideologies can't except this truth. Therefore division and fragmentation predominates within their institutions.
God makes all the choices and determines what manifests next.
Choiceless Awareness is freedom from concepts, ignorance and karma.
Todd

There is no hope for moon mind to realize truth but this moon mind because of their reflecting power becomes barrier to realize the Truth not for themselves but also for others.
A theologian exist only because of his image of GOD is strong and real as per as his mind is concern. He cannot accept his image of GOD can be wrong. Otherwise a theologian cannot exist. It is same with all kind of logician.
It is so with moon minds. Almost all of these moon mind has one thing common that they are convince by something according to their knowledge and experience.
Avtar Singh is convinced that 4% visible and measurable matters exist in this universe. Moon mind cannot accept that mind is too small to realize The Truth. Moon mind know about The Truth as a theologian know about GOD.
“(Note: Such definitions of genuine science and genuine spirituality are holistic and may differ from the widely accepted but limited and incomplete materialistic-only definitions of the mainstreams.) As per such holistic definitions, a scientist who is not spiritual (consciousness-integrated, it does not mean dogmatic religious) is not a genuine (holistic) scientist (irrespective of how many Nobel Prizes he/she has won). Similarly, a spiritualist who is not scientific (it does not mean materialist reductionist) is not a genuine (holistic) spiritualist (irrespective of how many followers/believers he/she has won).”
This moon mind wants Nobel Prize or followers/believers. I don’t know yet any Buddha won Nobel Prize so there is no need to worry, as you know enlightenment.
Moon mind scientist convince that the consciousness-integrated science exist as if love-integrated science. Buddha’s consciousness expresses by his mind or a lover’s love expresses by his heart are the qualities and there is no way to use this quality to reveal universal consciousness.
(Enlightenment is not a destination situated in the commonly experienced fixed space and time. It is the awakening to the ultimate universal reality that exists eternally and omnipresently within us and all around us. Hence, the path to enlightenment, single or many-fold, is a misnomer. Just as we do not need a path or set of rituals to awaken in the morning from night’s sleep, enlightenment needs no hard-set path, extraneously imposed morals/rules of conduct, or rituals to be performed.
The simple wisdom that governs enlightenment is –“The sun is shining, Just open your eyes.”- Avtar Singh)
It seems a blind man is talking about light. I wonder none of these moon minds ever declare that they are enlighten but they talk almost everything about enlightenment.
As a blind man cannot realize light and darkness, a moon mind cannot realize enlightenment.
A blind man needs eyes and a moon mind needs No-Mind. From mind to No-Mind needs Meditation as for blind man needs surgery or medicine to cure eyes. There is no need to know about enlightenment. Meditation factions exactly like medicine.
“While it is true that they may not have knowledge of mainstream science or HR, but the ongoing processes within their minds were governed by the same universal laws of HR as the whole universe including the material parts. Similarly, when we think and act our body and brains follow the E=mC2 law even if we are not aware of it. Even if we try to ignore it we cannot escape it. It is written on the fabric of the cosmos.”- Avtar Singh
This moon mind has to understand that E=mC2 law maybe follow to create atomic power but rest is out of date. There is nothing written on the fabric of the cosmos. Even Einstein’s last wish was to born in his next life as a plumber then a scientist. This great people are honest and because of their honesty they are Great.
Consciousness-integrated science provided some answers to the previous post (part3)(comment#13) are more or less related to moon mind.

Dear Dr.Singh

Thank you very much for taking your time to write a reply.

“As a mass is pushed by an external force, it accelerates to higher velocity increasing its net effective mass due to the net increase in kinetic energy which is equivalent to mass according to E=mC2. Einstein’s specific relativity theory has an explicit equation to calculate the increase in mass in terms of increased velocity or kinetic energy. The more the induced force, more is the velocity and increase in mass (just like the ego).”

It seems the question about comparing the increase in mass and ego still remains unanswered. I have understood clearly that the mass increases when the velocity approaches that of light and if I am not mistaken the eqn you refer is rest mass/ sq.root ((1- (v/c)). But my question is how is it possible to transplant this phenomenon and the equation to ego.

In schooldays, we used a concave lens to converge light in to a point and were able to burn some cotton wool. Then a thought arose in our minds. Can we converge magnetic effect in to a point like light and what will be the effect? We were thinking that it would be possible to copy and paste theories. Earlier, we had understood that a megaphone and a convex lens or mirror doe almost the same thing. But when we learned more about magnetism, we realized that the light and magnetism are two dissimilar phenomenon, though both operate in the same realm of physical universe and generally speaking it will not always be possible to copy and paste phenomenon from one aspect of physical world to another.

Taking our current example, I think if you want to transplant the increase in the mass phenomena to ego, both the aspects should have similar properties. A physical object has a mass and that can be measured. Has anybody measured the mass or a similar attribute of Ego? Or does it have such a property at least? If not, on what basis we can say that the same theory can be applied for ego too? I still did not get it. Definitely, it will be encouraging to know that same theories are applicable in different aspects of human existence and that of nature. The current explanation as I understand is based on the simple fact that two things are increasing due to some external effect and so same laws should govern both. But then the question is why can’t we use the expansion of matter when heated to compare with ego. Did somebody prove that ego has only mass and not volume? Or is it because of the attraction towards the prediction that mass tends to be infinity when object reaches light’s velocity. Are these types of forced assimilations hollow? Something that seems logically correct will not always be the truth. This is called peripatetic investigation, isn’t it ?

“Ritual becomes habitual. A ritual is an external motivation or force to perform an action as part of the ritual. Repeated ritual over and over again leads to forming a habit. Habit over time becomes emotional memory and forms convictions. Ego is nothing but the set of these convictions or personality traits that confine the consciousness within the fixed boundaries of habits, convictions, and the resulting behavior. More the rituals and more their repetition, more and more are the habits and convictions and more is the ego. “

Firstly, the definition of ritual is not complete, as the definition contains the word that is being defined! Anyway, a ritual becomes habitual only when it becomes automatic. ie you are not aware of or witnessing what you are doing. Once the intention is forgotten, one will be unaware of what he is doing and then it will become automatic. And even if one finds him at this position, there is a cure. Just de-automatize. Incidentally, that is an effective method Osho advises for quitting smoking. He asks smokers to turn smoking almost similar to a ritual, ritual performed with full awareness. So if the ritual is done in the same way that smokers are smoking normally, it is almost useless. But if you do it with full awareness, it will help you quit a habit that has become a part of your ego.

I agree with you on the definition of ego in that paragraph.

“There is a widespread (mis)understanding that spirituality or enlightenment needs a set of actions - rituals”

Agree fully – it is not necessary for every person.

“When you see the Buddha in deep quiet mediation (seemingly doing nothing, no rituals), he is immersed into “UNDOING” the ego”

Is this the method Budha advised for enlightenment, instead of rituals? I suppose, nowadays millions are doing meditation on a daily basis. Will all of them become enlightened? Has meditation become a ritual for them ? I think it is the intention and awareness.

“Buddha and Nanak honestly DID all the rituals but failed to achieve enlightenment and realized that the “UNDOING” of the ego was the ultimate secret to enlightenment.”

If the mantra was that simple like just undo it, why did Budha advice public to follow noble eight fold path? Do you think he was bluffing them? Or Do you think he was just advising people how to lead a civilized life in society alone?

Another question is how do you do this undoing? Or is this process inexplicable? Will it occur automatically? Is there any preparation necessary? (Remember, even Budha or Guru Nanak had tried all the rituals before meditating and they had to do meditating to undo the ego). Will these preparations guarantee the success? Lest misunderstood, I am not saying that ‘undoing’ is not necessary. It is the essence, no question.

Do you think it is necessary to sit down to do meditation to achieve dissolving of ego? Do you think it is not possible to do meditation while performing rituals ?

Again, if it is just undoing, how the observing and resolving of the puzzles of science will help a person to ‘undo it’ even if it is done with full consideration of the holistic consciousness-integrated approach? How sure are we that acquiring this knowledge will help to undo it?

What I remember now is what Shams of Tabriz did when he finally met Maulana Rumi. He threw all of Rumi’s books in to the well. Rumi did not want it back too.

“The system of discipline you mention, cannot be performing extraneous rituals but consciousness or awareness – “persistent presence” of reality as is, uninhibited by convictions or the veil”

Could not comprehend the meaning fully. Definition of God, at a personal level, as per my understanding is the most preciously held idea in one’s mind. If that idea is stable and it stays all along with you, you are called a monotheistic – not in its conventional sense. When that idea, through persistent presence, is progressively substantiated by experience, then it is said that he is on the path. Rituals with proper intention will help to keep that presence.

“Ritual is not spiritual and an externally imposed disciplined or ritualized code of conduct is not consciousness or choiceless awareness.”

I disagree, if this is meant to be a universal statement. If it is taken as externally imposed, then it is useless. If one chooses it with proper understanding, then it is not.

“Hence, the New Paradigm of Holistic Science as well as the age-old Paradigm of the spiritual Wisdom of the Ages is - “JUST UNDO IT (Dissolve the Ego)” and not “Just Do It”, which is the slogan of the outer world.”

Why do you think there are two laws that govern the internal and outer world? Why is this duality? If one set of laws govern science and spirituality, why must two laws govern internal and external world of a person? Are you completely dismissing the possibility of ‘undoing’ while we are seemingly engaged in ‘doing’ in the outer world? In order for you to feel the deepest spiritual bliss, you will need your nerve system and the most external mundane affair has a spiritual aspect to it.

“In summary, the same One set of universal laws govern science and spirituality, and the ONE wholesome continuum of matter, mind, and consciousness- some call it the universal reality and some may call it God. There are no separate sets of spiritual or scientific laws or paths – it is all governed by ONE non-duality. Any sets of laws, scientific or spiritual, that are incompatible with the universe are not universal laws and would be inflicted with paradoxes and inconsistencies.”

Intuitively, this statement is quite agreeable and encouraging. But the peace, the serenity, the silence we see in Budha, we do not find it in any scientists.

Peace always

Dear Todd:

#1: “The ego is a transient fictional consciousness created identity. It is a fiction.”

The ego is a transient un-consciousness created mis-identity of the real self. It is a relative reality changing in space and time, and hence often described as fiction, illusion, or Mithya.

Well said - “Choiceless Awareness is freedom from concepts, ignorance and karma.”

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Dear Naj:

#2:

It appears and is good to know that you have sufficient wisdom of your own to answer all your own questions to your own satisfaction.

I regret and apologize if my insufficient and ignorant answers have raised more unnecessary questions and disturbed your eternal “peace always”.

Best wishes and luck with your revelations, rituals, x-fold paths, and destinations.

Wishing you Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year!!!

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Love
Avtar

This knowledgeable explanation reminds me about a ritual: as you wrote Ritual becomes habitual- it is true. One of my friends had been in Brazil and Costa Rica so he had participated one ritual with one of so-called Shaman. The ritual is for whole night with beautiful music and they drink a kind of tea and whatever happened is exactly what you are explaining: A ritual is an external motivation or force to perform an action as part of the ritual. Repeated ritual over and over again leads to forming a habit. Habit over time becomes emotional memory and forms convictions. Ego is nothing but the set of these convictions or personality traits that confine the consciousness within the fixed boundaries of habits, convictions, and the resulting behavior. More the rituals and more their repetition, more and more are the habits and convictions and more is the ego.
Now how this process similar to increase in mass (mind)? As a mass (mind) is pushed by an external force, it accelerates to higher velocity increasing its net effective mass due to the net increase in kinetic energy which is equivalent to mass according to E=mC2. Einstein’s specific relativity theory has an explicit equation to calculate the increase in mass in terms of increased velocity or kinetic energy. The more the induced force, more is the velocity and increase in mass (mind) (just like the ego).
Don’t you think according to E=mC2. Einstein’s specific relativity theory, mass is the reality so the formula and it’s being used for destruction and the same with Moon mind, whose reality is mind so the formulas and knowledge which is bringing not only himself but also others towards destruction. Mind is an instrument only for use. The more one identify with it, the less possibility is for lifting as Kabir is asking. Meditations will helps to be lifted because only in meditation one loose identification with mind and starts inner journey towards no-mind. I know many whose only fear to enter in meditation is loosing. Moon minds are not ready to loose their knowledge then how they can be lifted to see the TRUTH.

Again your knowledgeable explanation: the inner world is governed by the Relativistic laws which involve transformation of energies (mass to energy and vice versa) rather than extraneous actions. That’s what happened with moon mind, they are convince that transformation is like mass to energy and vice versa as mind is going to transform in no-mind. A scientist takes mass to calculate energy doesn’t mean energy is there because of mass. Mass is simply a vehicle to create scientific formula and this scientific formula maybe useful for technology but it cannot govern the inner world. Mind is nothing but an instrument. Buddha in deep quite meditation doesn’t mean he is transforming ego energy into “UNDOING”. As a moon mind it is impossible to understand enlightenment. Only a Buddha can understand a Buddha.
“Meditation is the Only Solution”

Only a Buddha can understand a Buddha.
That is for sure!
Todd

Dear A-Man=No-Mind :

#5A: " Moon minds are not ready to loose their knowledge then how they can be lifted to see the TRUTH.”

Moon minds are not ready to loose their knowledge, so we have to devise a better way to convince them to lift themselves. We have to enhance their incomplete materialistic-only or logic-only knowledge with the Holistic Wisdom to transform.

This is what the consciousness-integrated Holistic Science accomplishes. It gives them a consciousness enhanced rational science to see that ego-dissolution is the ultimate solution to resolve paradoxes of the universe including the life and mind. The beauty of this new approach is that it provides a solution in a language (science and rationality) that they understand. It makes the ultimate goal of enlightenment understandable and achievable for even the moon-minds. There is hope in it for everyone including the moon-minds to become sun-minds.

#5B: “Meditation is the Only Solution”

Meditation is only a tool, a great tool, and not the solution.

The ultimate solution is achieving an ego-less awareness that exists at its own without even performing the meditation as an extraneous ritual. Millions perform meditation as a ritual and never get anywhere other than a temporary (may be) relaxation. Many do not even know the purpose of meditation and do not understand how and why it works. I have several friends who stopped meditation complaining headaches.

For all these millions of people, the consciousness-integrated science is a knowledge-based tool to understand the real purpose and inner physical processes of the mind behind meditation. If understood properly, many would stop ritualistic meditation and begin to reap the valuable benefits of the real meditation. The wisdom of the consciousness-integrated science can only help many perform the real meditation to achieve genuine happiness rather than performing a mere dogmatic mechanical and inanimate ritual that only enhances the ego.

Without understanding the true science behind meditation, it is not impossible but only a crapshoot or one-in-a-billion chance that one would hit a jackpot of being or even understanding the true Buddha.

And one who thinks that he/she is a Buddha or understands him, need to validate the self-made presumption against the realities of the universe, because whatever is not universal is not the TRUTH, and hence, is not Buddha but just another (anti-science) moon-mind.

And there is nothing more dangerous than the un-validated presumption of the self as being the Buddha.

Avtar

Dear Noor:

Eid Mubarak.

Please refer to my earlier and future posts that describe in detail about the Holistic science or relativity and their connectivity to spirituality.

Avtar

#8
Moon-Mind knows what I mean.
It is up to you to find out sun and star minds.
#9
Dear Avtar Singh,
At least you understand what I mean when I use Moon-Mind. To me Moon-Mind is the one who is convince and that what all Moon-Minds are doing to devise a better way to convince or to enhance their incomplete materialistic-only with the Holistic Wisdom to transform. What is this Holistic Wisdom? It is an approach that provides a solution in a language (science and rationality) that they understand. Philosophy means wisdom of truth now is any philosopher ever understands the truth in language. Just try to write your experience of the test of water that you are drinking every day and you are writing that it makes the ultimate goal of enlightenment understandable and achievable.
There is hope for everyone only Moon-Minds are missing this possibility to realize TRUTH not because they cannot but because Moon-Minds are stuck with their idea. Everyone comes to earth with mind (Earth-Mind) having greatest possibility to go beyond mind (No-Mind).
Moon-Mind gets stuck with tool. Mind is a tool as you wrote Meditation is only a tool, a great tool, and not the solution. Yes if you take Meditation as a tool it remains only a great tool not the solution. As you take medicine as a tool it can be sugar coated tablets or beautiful but one can use it only for cure and only a person who is aware of his illness can find out his medicine for cure. Solution is not in your hand so moon minds are interested in tool that what is happening with Moon-Mind.
If you have ever practice Meditation then it is difficult to say: “The ultimate solution is achieving an ego-less awareness that exists at its own without even performing the meditation as an extraneous ritual. Millions perform meditation as a ritual and never get anywhere other than a temporary (may be) relaxation. Many do not even know the purpose of meditation and do not understand how and why it works. I have several friends who stopped meditation complaining headaches.”
I have several friends who know everything about Meditation but they are the only one who is not able to practice meditation. For example there are many great spiritual teacher or scholar who knows everything about Enlightenment and they miss enlightenment.
“For all these millions of people, the consciousness-integrated science is a knowledge-based tool to understand the real purpose and inner physical processes of the mind behind meditation. If understood properly, many would stop ritualistic meditation and begin to reap the valuable benefits of the real meditation. The wisdom of the consciousness-integrated science can only help many perform the real meditation to achieve genuine happiness rather than performing a mere dogmatic mechanical and inanimate ritual that only enhances the ego.”-Avtar
Forget about all these millions of people, what about you? Are there any need to find out what is Real Meditation and physical processes of the mind behind meditation? As you say mediation is a tool so tool can be real or ritualistic.
“Without understanding the true science behind meditation, it is not impossible but only a crapshoot or one-in-a-billion chance that one would hit a jackpot of being or even understanding the true Buddha.
And one who thinks that he/she is a Buddha or understands him, need to validate the self-made presumption against the realities of the universe, because whatever is not universal is not the TRUTH, and hence, is not Buddha but just another (anti-science) moon-mind.
And there is nothing more dangerous than the un-validated presumption of the self as being the Buddha.”-Avtar
Don’t worry Buddha has nothing to do with whatever is not universal is not the TRUTH. For Buddha everything is universal whether it is validated or un-validated.