Avtar,

I don't have a linear/logical answer to your question. I do have a non-linear/intuitive response.

Time is a canvas on which I paint with emotional strokes of colors.

Time is motion in space expressing emotion.

Time is dynamic pulling and pushing the music of the spheres.

Time is pulse pf body synchronized with sunrise and sunset.

That's how "time" feels to me. It's not theory...maybe poetry in motion.

Thanks for your questions, Avtar.

Trish~~

It does, but in the mind. It is all subjective. Did you read of story of those young men who slept for more than 300 years in a town in the roman empire? Refer to Gibbon's The Rise and Fall of The Roman Empire or the Koran (chapter titled the Cave).

when they woke up, they thought they had just slept for a few hours.

Just musing..........
Could it be that TIME, has a counterpart, EMIT? Could it be that at 'death' we pass through the mirror. Could it be that we then become part of the E-MISSION?
Could it be that E-GO, (mine too,) chooses these ways of compartmentalising in a short-sighted, self-saving, material pursuit?
Could it be that what we call death, and, I above, mirror, is something OR nothing to BE?
Could it be that OR is Our Reality, which we are now on to, calling it Consciousness, for want of a better word? But still I persist and this TIME with a closely confusing word that does nothing to assuage my longing.
Could it be, this is all a glorious game that we are only just learning to play?
Could it be that I AM?
InSeine!

Time is money - for the rich

Time is poverty - for the poor

Time is rest - for the meditative

Time is joy - for the positive

Time is misery - for the negative

Time is magnificent - for the humble

Time is life - for the aware

Time is eternal - for the broad-minded

Time is deficit - for the poor organized

Time is waste - for the inconsiderate

Time is indispensable - for the clock watchers

Time is divided - for the dualists

Time is a hold - for the unsure

Time is patient - for the doubters

Time is a concept - for everyone

Time does not exist - for the creative :)

The ones who know how to model and mould their own universe:

"We have given you, oh Adam, no particular place of residence, no own face, not a single special task, just so that you are able to obtain that place of residence, that face and that task which you would prefer to obtain and possess according to your own will and wish.

For all other creatures, Nature is well-defined and restricted within the laws prescribed by us.

You will determine them for yourself, not restricted by boundaries, according to your own free will, to which I have entrusted you. I placed you in the Middle of the Universe so that you, from that spot, can more easily see all the things around you; that which is in the world.

And we did not make you heavenly or not heavenly, mortal or immortal, so that you are able now, like a free and sovereign artist, to model and mould yourself into the form you prefer.

You are permitted to degenerate to the lower, the animal kingdom; but you are also allowed to raise yourself towards the higher: the divine kingdom by one’s own will."

Pico della Mirandola (1463 – 1493)

Mieke

I think rhythm and cycles exist but time is man made.

I've been keeping a sun calendar on a wall in my studio. A dot of sun light comes through a small hole and tracks along the wall. I mark it every 5 minutes between 9:30 am and 11:30 am.
It's amazing what being able to predict that little dot of light does to me.
I imagine the first people to start doing this and how it changed them.

Time to go track some light.

derek

Dear Avtar

I have been re-reading the Tao of Physics and it's funny but I am now in the chapter titled
Space-Time and the last thing I read before reading your post was this:

In this spiritual world there are no time divisions such as the past, present and future; for they have contracted themselves into a single moment of the present where life quivers in its true sense...The past and the future are both rolled up in this present moment of illumination, and this present moment is not something standing still with all its contents, for it ceaselessly moves on.
....D.T. Suzuki

Bonnie

This type of questioning does not really answer anything. It is the type of thing someone asks when people have ran out of things to talk about and they would like to sound intelligent. The real answer which I will talk about in a moment is also very difficult for most egotistical people to swallow and so the ignorance of real time slips away from their grasp again and again. It is not important to know if time exisits or not. It is only important to know that it doesn't really matter either way.

The Concept of time exists because God is the possibility of time.. Time is a Possibility just like Thinking and biology are possibilities. God is the only true reality beyond that of a conditioned enviroment or state that is conditioned to a certain set of circumstances.

We are the creators of our own time without which time becomes not relevent because it is not being percieved.

Know this and time is just an idea.

Simon.

Our human consciousness has learned to use time, the concept of time, to calculate, predict, link variables, collect interest (har har har), and generally as a tool to measure duration (if for example we did not have celestial day and night we would perhaps measure time simply by times of human life, e.g., childhood, young adult, adult, etc.). Of course, the concept of time is the basis for Einstein’s Special and General Relativity and a sampling of the profound mathematics involving time can be briefly demonstrated here > http://[DELINKER]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_theory_of_relativity <

But, simply put, time does not in reality exist! It has been said that time is nature’s way of keeping everything from happening at once, and truly that is simply what it is, the cosmic platform for cause and effect. But that cause and effect is limited to the Big Bang and the universe’s projected end a googol years from now; as inducted in human minds who have only lived within the last hundred years in this four billion year old solar system tucked away here in a spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy. Alas though, when we hear of an end we think of what may come after, just as we think of what was before the Big Bang, or in other words, what was before there was a before. Time is timeless/reality is simply matter changing form.

“Time” is but a base subterfuge of matter, a cosmic deception that presents the appearance of then and now, of ille (that) and hic (this), of separation. In essence, time is an illusion that “separates” me from you. Ten billion years ago we were both physically born of the same supernovae, whose remnants commingled with that of other universal properties, birthing formerly “unknown” qualities such as the later forming elements, green grass/blue skies, and even eventually human consciousness

One day we will all discard the notion of time and on that “day” we will no longer break the wave of peace by acting with our perception; we shall consciously collectively realize the non-local dimension of our very “selves” and overcome the speed of an unhindered photon with but the thoughts of our mind. We shall move mountains.

We just have some more work to do . . .

pax vobiscum

That's a coincidence I wrote something along those lines here and elsewhere some time ago as a part of Intangics.

The universe is ephemeral lasting for only one infinitesimal (the smallest measure of time) mentioned in Infinite Play. It is the time it takes for a photon to collapse from a wave to a particle. In a stateful universe (part of one’s new theory) each frame or change of state when viewed consecutively, creates the appearance of a continuous moving, animated reality.

Now you can't measure an infinitesimal, the period is so small. There is no instrument that can measure it because the gauge itself is subject to the infinitesimal pulse. In fact the gauge itself would not even exist for a part of the interval so how could it possibly measure it during that time? That the infinitesimal non-measurable it effectively produces a fuzzy "period" of timelessness.

One of my observations has been that time consumes energy, it takes more energy to get from a to b faster, the only other element in the equation is time. In order for time to consume energy it must have mass. Mass is not what we think it is and our understanding of it is one of limited comprehension.

So in effect an infinitesimal is timeless. It’s the same reason we can’t take a picture of atom, they are smaller than the smallest wavelength of light.

Now I wonder is it possible to do an experiment to prove that all “collapses” photon, electron, etc. Occur at the same instant or infinitesimal moment. The Entire Universe blinks to wave state and then back to particle state which is like calculating a configuration and then saving it creating an actualization which is then experienced.

Various calculations driven by INTENT which exists in the singularity occur during the interim between particle states. We see the effect and call the unseen intangible cause of the effect virtual particles (Consciousness).

It is a fluctuation of the present between input and output, consciousness send and receive that is the clock cycle of the universe. The big bang happens continuously each time resulting in a new state. The universe switches from singularity to multiplicity in each infinitesimal. The modifications to the previous state occurring in the gap containing the dimensionless singularity. We symbolize it a play of light on the field. But the field is a virtual mathematical representation it actually exists in the singularity ultimately it is just information.

Of course I create time for a living using technology, time is a priceless commodity you can't get more than a moment of it at a time.

Just as at the deepest center of the earth all things, countries, spaces and times coalesce, similarly, at the deepest center of the Self or What Is or Consciousness all things, space-times coalesce. In other words, then there is no thing, space or time.

Then we begin to stir from there, creating, and getting in the process entangled into four basic forces in, the virtual world, best decribed by the quantum theory. Subsequently, we actualise that virtual entanglement into forces thus creating and getting in the process disentangled from four basic forces in, the acual world, best described by the relativity theory. Such cycles go on and on because in the process of getting disentangled we are at the same time getting entangled as well for the next cycle and in the process of getting entangled we are at the same time getting disentangled as well, again for the next cycle.

Thus the game of life ends up being an eternal game of being and becoming, time arrested and time passing, stillness and motion...without time yet abiding in time.

Dear Harb,

Have you seen this video? It is from Deepak Chopra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTdnFoybLQU&feature=related

It is interesting, cause it deals with silence, thoughts and reality, in other words that what is and that what becomes. And the meaning of the forces.

Unified field, creative field? Self Designed Universe ?

Hereunder a video about the same subject but then seen from the latest insights from physics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuuKBInwQRU&feature=related

See the correlation? :)

Self designed Universe!

Mieke

time is the result of moving and changing particles, the negative and the positive (dualality) attributes is always on the move. Evolving, growing and decaying energy is what the particles do to manifestation, and there's nothing we can do as part of this phenomenon, except witness it. In Eternity these particles are none existent, and without the magnetism they create. Time is a tempory condition on our soul, and not an important problem to undestand, but to tolerate. Time is the condition of your brief affair with energy, while your eternal marrage is timeless. Who is there then to care about the mundane knowledge of the universe when God is detached from the idea of time, and it's allowed the freedom, as well as its particiapants to do what they want. Because time is an evolving entity in its own right, and we must prepare ourselves to let it go on its way, and embrace the unconditional reality that's waiting for us. Kurt

"I endorse Dr. Avtar Singh for Nobel Prize in Physics for unifying Einstein's Relativity with Quantum Mechanics."

Sorry, that must be Mr. DK Matai of Mi2g

I endorse Dr. Singh for Nobel Prize in Physics for integrating Einstein's "spontaneous decay" into the Theory of Relativity into a holistic whole theory of HR which resolves all paradoxes of Physics including Quantum Mechanics.

131. Posted by Irvine Welsh on February 1, 2008 10:58 PM
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I second this modified motion wholeheartedly. It's time another great son of India gets a Noble
prize.

I don't know the answer to this. So I asked God (I figured if W could talk to Him, so could I). I recorded our conversation. Here's the transcript:

Yogi: God, does time exist?

God: Ultimately no. But relatively yes. And that "relative" zone is where all the sweet stuff happens.

Yogi: Do you ever get tired of being enlightened all the time?

God: Tired of enlightenment? Get off the eternal throne and make some dreams happen!

Whoops, I'm late! Ran out of time! Gotta go! See ya!

Yogi-one #14: That is a delightfully creative response! Thanks for the light-heart and light-mind expression.

Trish~~

For everyone, interested in physics and wanting to learn interactively with other students around the world, a free E-book in pdf format can be downloaded here:

http://www.motionmountain.net/index.html

Mind you, the book has 1498 pages and tells the whole adventure of physics up till now. The last two chapters are not added yet, because You could add them yourself.

Mieke

For everyone, interested in physics and wanting to learn interactively with other students around the world, a free E-book in pdf format can be downloaded here:

http://www.motionmountain.net/index.html

Mind you, the book has 1498 pages and tells the whole adventure of physics up till now. The last two chapters are not added yet, because You could add them yourself.

Mieke