Interesting

Someone recently sent me this perspective, pretty powerful..

shttp://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

Try this without the s, sorry,

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

Kavita,

Thanks for presenting the issue.

Well there is no need for a war on anything. This is one of the machinations of the egoic mind the “war on everything” undesired and amounts to aggravating the condition because it creates resistance to embracing the request for solution and honoring it. So rather than providing a holistic solution one responds to the illusion, but not the reality of the true cause behind it, which is separation.

The turbulence of the Middle East is more the result of a few men trying to retain their power. Men seriously lacking the nurturing love of the feminine as a result of their suppressing it because some see it as a threat to being strong and allowing the use of force.

Love and nurturing is seen as a weakness. The proper use of force is only to protect life not to destroy it, a defense that seeks to transform an active lethal force, not an imaginary one.

A defense designed to drain the attacker of it’s aggressive energy, while effort is made to eliminate the fear and fictions in the mind of the enemy that cause them to see one as a threat.

So from now on we will remove "War On" from our vocabulary and replace it with "The effort to actualize" a “stated intention” with “summary and detail provided”, always in alignment with divine intention which is simply the expansion and support of life and it's evolution; the divine existing at least in concept if not as an actual entity.

We remember from Infinite Play the wisdom that Illusion has no detail or foundation and can be dissolved with the “power of the question.” or the act of looking for the detail which will not be found for there is none and this is the difference between truth and fiction. Truth has a foundation supported by well formed math.

The last great battle will be fought in the mind of each individual, choosing between fiction or truth to act upon; with the resulting reality being the sum of individual choice creating our collective choice. ~Infinite Play the Movie

The statement of effort being that of a shared intention, the highest intention is prosperity and abundance for all, achieved not through force but through wisdom and gravity.

Let them gravitate to right action rewarded by a beautiful experience. Let there be transparency and openness so none are led to temptation.

The worlds religious books are simply stories passed down to convey wisdom and insight, that is all they are and they contain a good amount of it. All divinely inspired as is any act that is congruent with divine intention and the preserving and expansion of life.

Much of the Religious material has been distorted by interpretation and framing from an egoic perspective. Both Mohammad and Jesus had the very same intentions, saw the same enemy and used many words to refer to it. The Ego, the isolated separate self and it’s propensity for fiction and ignorance, all the result of lacking wisdom.

The goal of both Mohammad and Jesus was to establish a jointed, connected, integrated self so that all was part of a unified body, and each cell nurtured and loved, and each cell providing service to the body. Each cell being equal to all other cells, each cell being fed in proportion to the value of the cell's contribution to the body, the heart cells, spine and brain get more sustenance and protection because their contribution is most essential to the body as a whole; yet no other cells are left wanting because of this!

Both Mohammad and Jesus demonstrated that there was an all pervading intelligence operating behind all manifestation, one that was benevolent and just, a guardian of life and the impetus for evolution; an eternal essence that connected all living being.

An infinite being that is the source of all finite being.

They do not attack, reject or resist, they embrace and transform, and it is they that I AM supporting with access to a vast infinite intelligence.

and these words are from The Source.

As for religion.

Things that do not evolve out live their divine purpose and soon die.

good read, keep writing.

Hi Kavita,

Interesting discussion you have started. Generally I see Imran Khan as an arm-chair critic and politician and without much substance. However, this time he has raised issues which are relevant and suggested a way forward. I particular like his idea of supporting the democratic process rather than the individual. To cut a long story short, the recent election results have proved him right. Who the US generally backs is very often someone the people of that country reject. It is still not too late for the US think tank to backtrack and pay more attention and try to ascertain what the people of the country want rather and suggest their own medicine. They have been wrong too often and seem unlikely ever to learn or mend their line of thought.

Regarding Madarasa education too I agree with Imran. Statistics in India show that barely 4% of the Muslim youth are educated in Madrasas. This, however, does not negate the issue of modernising them and getting them in tune with what the rest of the world is learning.

He is off at a tangent and overly defensive regarding Islamic terror. The comparision with Tamil extremists is spurious and a red herring.

Regards,
Dara

Thank you all. Richard, some very interesting points raised in your comments. It has not ceased to surprise me how a handful of people can sway a vast majority and also how everything eventually boils down to emotion and not analysis, or the fact that everyone interprets everything based on personal experiences and perception, and even the fact that we have so much that is negative lying within us ready to erupt when we become desperate or needy.

Dara, regarding Imran-he was never my favorite in the Pakistani cricket team when I first met everyone as a teenage journalist and he was a superstar-I was more fond of his brother Majid, mainly becasue he was a lover of history and so was I, and Imran would hang out with us and I found him too serious and not funny enough. One thing that was always there and was never ever talked about by the media because it didnt make for good copy-(his playboy image did)..was the fact that he is extremely cereberal, a total gentleman, and actually I saw him mostly glued to some book or the other than running around with the ladies.

I lost touch with the team and reconnected with him now after many years. The stories of his quiet philanthropy all across Pakistan for the underprivileged, his uncompromising integrity and the fact that he is extremely straight forward continue and of course as a friend of his said-like many of us, he continues to evolve...

Evidently the turning point in his life came after his mother's death in the mid 80s-its a long story but to put it in a nutshell he went from being a cool cricket legend, to an even better human being.
Across the board everyone I have spoken with from India and Pakistan is unanimous in their opinion that he is the most honorable man there is, but can an idealist lead Pakistan in the coming years and single handedly solve the towering problems in the country-that is going to be quite something. When I asked him the question he said-Jinnah was an idealist and quite uncompromising and he is the only idol I have.

I actually think he has a valid point about the tamil tigers. The fact remains, the bloodshed in Gujarat, and a lot that goes on, is never blamed on hindu fundamentalism, but I have had my moments with many such people-once when the discussion turned to the plight of widows and there is a hindu fundamentalist group that said it doesnt exist and Deepa Mehta ought to be shot for making Water-it was a ploy to bash hinduism, I presented many facts and that didnt go down too well with the group.

I had just been to Mathura and had seen the widows' plight with my own eyes and now there has been a sex scandal out of there..

If all religions come from the same divine source then how can one religion endorse violence and others don't was Imran's point..and its very valid to ask that question. Also he is right when he says that every human community will have its fanatics and its liberals but by and large most people are moderates. Eventually it all comes down to interpretation. He is right on when he talks about the war on terror being a political one. Take Osama Bin Laden.. his issues with US were the US support of Israel and military presence in Saudi Arabia, and support for saudi monarchy. But why is he called an Islamic fundamentalist? why does Islam have such a bad rap? we have had incessant discussion on this topic on intentblog as well as other forums, and again it comes down to matter of perception and interpretation and perhaps not enough research.

It is really interesting to have these discussions and I consider myself very fortunate that all the investigative stories I do really open so many more questions and issues to think about.

Even what will happen next with Pakistan.

Benazir Bhutto hated Nawaz Sharif and vice versa. Most of the charges trumped up against Zardari came from the Sharif govt.. and now they are supposedly joining hands.. politics is quite an interesting game isnt it?

HI Kavita:

Great article!

I have two points to make:

1. Tamil Tigers never go out to kill Sri Lankan Buddhist with a religious slogan on their lips. It is NOT a religious fight. It is an Ethnic fight. To understand it better.. Lets say, there were 10 Harvard grads suicide bombers who killed people. Now, Harvardism will get to be a fundamentalist ideology, if IN THE NAME OF Harvardism.. they pressed the button.

One has to look at what one uses to create the mess... not one's simple affiliation!

2. NONE of the religions came from ONE source. They came from the MINDS of human beings and represent our cunning rather than our piety. Spirituality came from ONE. So, every "religion" has a background and a baggage. Islam has its own , Hinduism has its own and Christianity has its own.

The "popular" and "know-able" God is, in any case a reflection of our Ignorance as well as our arrogance. I just wrote this two days back to explain myself:

http://drishtikone.com/?q=blog/god-demonstration-ignorance

Now, having said this, I do believe that of the politicians, Imran is the better alternative in Pakistan... but who cares.

Right now, I am more worried about the "spill-over" effect of the anarchy that I see happening on India.

cheers,
desh
drishtikone.com

Thanks Desh,
excellent points all and I've learnt from this post too. I guess when we say all religions come from the same source, I see it as meaning, all religions preach the same good values-at least I hope. The question of course is of interpreting what is handed down and who is interpreting it.
I don't think anyone is gung ho about Pakistan in the aftermath of the elections. The backlash will be felt most by India and its borders. One could write an epic on South Asian politics and make a block buster film on the intrigues.
It will be interesting to see how Imran handles the devious and messy ways of Pakistani polictics that is multilayered, multi ethnic and fragmented.
I will read your blog soon.I'm sure its stellar like all your other writing.

Hi again Kavita,

Sorry about the time gap, these days am not on the blogosphere much, unfortunately. A situation I hope will improve soon.

As regards Imran Khan, as a politician I dont think he has it in him. Maybe experience will change things. Right now though he is not taken seriously as a politician by people in Pakistan or their media. As a cricketer, I was a huge fan of his and still am. His analysis and understanding is fantastic and his straightforward no nonsense opinion is what I like most.

As regards Pakistan, it will probably go euphoric over the election results for a short while before reality kicks in and neither of the two main players to-day arouse much confidence, Zardari even less so. Everyone seems to think that democracy is holding elections, no one considers good governance and aspirations of the people as integral to democratic institutions. However, this is certainly an opportunity to make a beginning again and show maturity, if that doesn't happen then there will be more of the same, and that bothers me the most.

Why I feel the Tamil tiger comparision was not a good one is because the Tigers are not propounding their religion but have a stated cause which does not put religion in the forefront. Unlike most attacks carried out by Islamic militants which are always in the name of Islam. Though to consider the war on terror as a war on Islam is down right stupid. But rightly or wrongly, they do invoke religion as the basis of their justification, and that is what is wrong.

On the other hand, I do think that Hindu fanatics are held responsible for their actions and are openly castigated and are in fact referred to as right wing Hindu fundamentalists. Why they are not denounced more is probably because their activities are restricted in number and location to India and are not as widespread as those of the Islamic fundamentalists.

Imran's point about equating the two is one many have put forward and it doesn't hold much water for me. Both are wrong and two wrongs cannot be a justification for more wrong doing. It's like the BJP castigating the Congress for the Sikh massacres whenever they are put on the mat over Gujrat.

Regards,
Dara

Well then will Imran Khan and other muslims stop blaming India's problems like caste system and sati on religion? The caste system was created to protect masses and govern society , it does not say we should kill or harrass lower caste people. Caste problem in India continues because nobody arrests the criminals and murderers . Instead they attack hinduism and feel satisfied. Now we learn that even in Christian Cemetaries there are separate zones for people belonging to different castes !