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Logos, Mythos, Jesus and Lao Tzu

Rex Weyler - April 01, 2008

Jesus is like the ultimate Rorschach test: We see ourselves in his extraordinary presence. Like others of history, who reflect divine truth, the reverberation of Jesus through time both attests to his insight and helps us see ourselves.

I have received some great comments to my first post about Jesus, which reminds me what a great, intelligent, thoughtful network comprises the Intentblog community. I want to expand on these ideas, particularly the role of history and research and the role of self-awareness and personal stories. This turns out to be the classic discussion of Mythos and Logos.

In the first century, Mythos – story, mythology, ritual – remained much more in balance with Logos – history, facts, logic – than they do today. We live in a scientific world that expects things to have logical explanations. Logos and Mythos are different ways of knowing and they are both valuable. We can give someone a new heart with medical science, and we can fix a broken heart with tenderness. Logos and Mythos work together.

First question, Evan asked: If the early Jesus followers faithfully preserved his message, how were these same people willful distorters?

They weren’t. Between 30 and 70 CE, for four decades, peasants told Jesus’ story in an oral setting. Scholars now believe that the earliest collections of his sayings began to appear at this time: The Thomas collection and the so-called “Q” or source verses found nearly verbatim in the Mark and Matthew gospels. There is much more about this in The Jesus Sayings.

The point is, these were not the distorters, at least not by design. These were storytellers, working with Myth, not history. We know from the child’s game of “telephone” that a message whispered from one to another picks up nuance and shifts over time. This is the natural evolution of popular legend and mythology.

The actual and more devious distortion of Jesus’ message occurred over the next three centuries, and throughout the Middle Ages, as many doctrines and rules were attributed to Jesus for reasons that had more to do with political power than with accurate history or divine wisdom.

“Amen” and “truly, truly I say to you” were expressions of personal authority. Jesus spoke from his own experience and authority, not because he had a franchise from the Temple monopoly.

"Find the light inside" parallels in the gospels: This idea does have New Testament gospel parallels: We find the idea in Thomas 33, about lighting a lamp and sharing it with the world, paralleled in Mark 4:21, Luke 8:16, and Matthew 5:15. This is an example of the earliest layer of Luke and Matthew, the “Q” verses that likely came from an early source.

How did Jesus hear about Taoism?

First of all, yes, parallels in the teachings of Buddha, Lao Tzu, Jesus, the Cynics and others can be attributed to similar spiritual insights leading to similar expressions. Nevertheless, some of the parallels among these ancient teachers and schools appear uncanny, and may suggest influence. In the first century, a camel caravan could travel between China and the Mediterranean in nine months to a year. Since Chinese silks appear in Athens and Antioch we have no trouble understanding how Chinese ideas or Vedic ideas could appear in Jerusalem or Galilee, which they almost certainly did.

And as Vivian points out, “coincidence” may simple be the fact that spiritual insight brings observers to the same truths and understanding.

And as Mieke says, yes, it is “always up to us!” Jesus urged his followers not to rely on ritual and convention but to know themselves and to see truth for themselves.

The problem for later religious institutions is that you cannot hand out franchises for self-knowledge, so this message of Jesus got buried under centuries of doctrine and rules. Many of the early gospels – Thomas, Mary, Philip, and others – were outlawed and burned. We have them now because some brave monks in Egypt buried them, and some lucky peasants and brilliant archaeologists have found them.

More later. Rex.

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Posted by Rex Weyler at April 1, 2008 09:30 AM

  
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"We have them now because some brave monks in Egypt buried them, and some lucky peasants and brilliant archaeologists have found them"

What shall we do we them?

Mieke

Well said Mieke.

Whosoever has found Truth within shall know that all masters like Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tze said the same thing.

Whosoever has found the Truth within may explain the same one Truth in different words to different questioners.

Harb

I have come to the realization that Thought is distortion and so anything that comes into the domain of thought is naturally distorted.

Since religions are based on thought naturally they are distorted and divisive.There is no point in claiming that people who heard directly from Jesus did not distort.

Dear Rex,
Thank you for taking the time to communicate with us directly : )

You say Logos and Mythos work together. But is that all? Is that the whole Truth?

Unless you see belief as a ritual, are we/you not missing something in Jesus's teachings?

"As you believe so be it done."

"Ask believing, you will receive."

"Oh you of little faith."

Hi Rex,

I have seen on TV and in books that the lost Gospels of Philip, Mary, Thomas and Judas talked about Enlightenment. I was wondering if you could post some of his lost sayings so we could talk about them on the IB site.

I like what your saying and I can see Jesus talked about Enlightenment in the New Testament, which I posted below. I personally think Jesus never intended for his teaching to be combined with the Old Testament. And, in fact the only reason why he didn’t come out and say it right away, was because they would’ve killed him before his word got out, however when the time was right he knew being a martyr was inevitable.

“Truly I say onto you, there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste of death until they see the Kingdom of God and it has come with power”

This is enlightenment in a nut shell, because when you see the Kingdom of God before your physical death you are enlightened. When you see the Still, Aware, Light of God, which is the force that created the universe, you understand its Almighty power. And, that power which rewards you with the ultimate vision then changes your life.

“Blessed are those who are pure in heart for they shall see God”

The heart signifies your internal nature, your motive, your mind, your life and to be pure is to be egoless. Not to hurt anyone by “thought, word or deed” and your earnestness and good intentions towards God shall be rewarded. You will see God and the Kingdom of Heaven, which again is Self-Realization (enlightenment).

“You are Gods” and “Behold the Kingdom of God is in your midst”

Your Soul is a small piece of God, and in order to see God you have to go within (meditate) to your source, and use that as your eyepiece, because nothing else will work. It is within You! But you'll have to search for it.

“The Kingdom of Heaven is within thee”

~Kurt~

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