That was really good Avtar. Thanks. I could not help but laugh at the horse analogy, as it is true. We've all heard that you can lead a horse to the water, but you cannot make it drink. Also, the Bible says that a wise person will become wiser when reprehended, but a fool will attack (in so many or less words). I'm pretty much a horse, like most I think, i.e., stubborn. Not that I wouldn't prefer wisdom, so I keep trying, but who likes the whips :-) This is why my Higher Self tells me, "I will lead you." If I heard anything else, I would not budge. And I like those sweet carrots too! So every once and a while I might drink from the fountain.

Love, Char

oops ... meant "reprimanded" as it relates to the wise person

Yep, good stuff.

Peace

What's the pupose of existence if the goal is to dissolve the ego?

The act of every living being's birth itself is heavy interaction (Entropy) of existing ego's..

If all current living being's dissolve their ego then will the energy give rise to more living beings?

Is there a purpose of the Energy to crystalize as an ego?

This reminds of Edward de Bono's comment that "God doesn't need to think".

And yet a child is and is a reservoir of potential. Reality is not only timeless.

self, ego, and god - and all the variants in-between (Variants meaning, capitalized, not-capitalized, singularized, pluralized, equated, negated, conflated and analyzed.) ...

Talking (thinking - well, on one's BEST days) about self, ego, and/or god (and all variants), at one time or together in a soupy mixture held up as, "an example of my personal intelligence", is an example of wasted time, futility on the hoof, and humans don't HAVE that much time, to waste on such old, forgotten, or best-left-forgotten (yesterday's) "news".

Those that would disagree, even after "thinking more about it" (though generally it is, NOT thinking more about it), are those that have not begun to explore the crevices of the mental landscape wherein they are forced to reside, from birth till death, and usually don't even WANT to, even if they somehow catch wind of the possibility. Hearing that something extraordinary is possible with their evolving nervous systems, and consciousness, raises the hairs at the back of the head and higher in only a very few, and even then, unless somebody TELLS them more, they generally can not continue the exploration on their own.

What is sometimes termed, "the few of the few", are simply those that have already begun and are continuing this exploration, not rehashing the old, tired, and mostly dead or near-dead forms (self, ego, god), but discovering the new for themselves... and then, they don't need somebody ELSE to tell them a damn thing about it - they already KNOW what this kind of unique exploration entails and produces, and they are producing it every minute.

Re. 6. Irvine

When suffering is out of the landscape a stake/goal/objective refers to "awakening-kundalini", a biological transformations, the next step of human evolution, different relation with the sense and the cosmos AND an afterlife (like it or not). While from the angle of liberation awakening never was needed in the first place and just keeps the romeotypist type.

Waltzing into the afterlife sounds good to me.
What think you Irvine?

You know something, Avtar, I'm gullible enough to believe I could raise a dead horse. I've yet to try again. Twas remorse the motive last time.
Yo Vanessa

Avtar,

Thanks for your reference to clouds and nature. Emotions are like weather patterns and express through ego. Ego is a container that holds our physical, mental, emotional and spiritual experience.

My ego container used to be very dark. I was a lost soul. I hit bottom and then saw an angel with the name "Michael." All humans have light beings watching over and guiding our way in this dark world. (Who will stop long enough to listen?) I stay focused in light and let the clouds and waters thin in my ego container. Light penetrates matter and ego.

Earth orb/body is like planet Earth orb/body. There are layers/stratas to our Beingness. I value my weather patterns of emotion. I value the changes of seasons. I value the sun above, sun at personal core and sun at Mother Earth core. It's one sun light!

My experience is that conscious humans are like acupuncture points for Earth Mother. We hold her in a protective webbed layer of conscious light. As light from Solar System hits earth the beams penetrate our body of porous ego and go through us directly to Her core. Thus humans are a conduit of life force for our home planet. We stand upright and let light move through us with our feet on sacred ground. It's a passionate loving relationship with Nature.

A song I carry:

I walk your sacred ground
Healing waters I have found
Rivers flowing strong and deep
Wash away your tears

Mother I hear your cry
I feel your every sigh
I have come to comfort you
Around the medicine wheel.

Avtar, what is your favorite song? Do you play an instrument? Do you write poetry? I don't know you. Would you be comfortable sharing some of your life stories with me/us? Stories that mold and shape you...like weather patterns.

Trish~~

All of this is merely arguing over definitions and terminology. Perhaps Deepak's definition of
Pure Potential or mine for that matter is completely different from yours.
That seems likely.
From my perspective your ability to communicate
what the unbounded, transcendental existence
is lacks Deepak's advanced clarity of speech.
Furthermore from this perspective much of the
pseudoscientific jargon and terminology you use
seems (ironically) schizophrenic.
You or I could never match the capacity or achievements of Deepak when it comes down to
enlightening the world's population and that is worthy of great respect.
Todd

Dear Todd,

"Furthermore from this perspective much of the
pseudoscientific jargon and terminology you use
seems (ironically) schizophrenic."

What I got from the his words is that the ego by it's nature is constantly changing creating a sort of schizophrenic identity, and because of which it really doesn't know what to do or what identity to label itself with. ~Kurt~

If one is truly free from the separate self (ego)
then there must also be freedom from conceptual
thinking.
Todd

Is there any substance in a dream?
Do concepts, scientific applications and rigid rules apply in the dreamworld?
As is the personal dream so is
The Cosmic Dream
Todd

Todd, desires and fears play out in our dreams, so yes, concepts of right and wrong come to life and they are from our pesonal issues. ~Kurt~

Dear Avtar,

Thank you for explaining so clearly the dangers of being Ego Driven.

I've been reading about the ancient Hawaiian culture when everyone lived gracefully there with Aloha (the living breath of God in and around us) that permeates all life.

Because of the increasingly advanced "de-sensification" of mankind, many have lost the innate innocence of remembering and experiencing Oneness with God.

There once was a time when Spirit was the accepted guiding force for mankind. It appears that civilization has "devolved" from what it once was.

"Betsy" S.

Dr. Avtar:

I really could not understand this article properly. Here are some thoughts:

1. would certainty or uncertainty be an issue/property of the consciousness? Certainty or lack of it implies a relation to space, time and causality. If these three are absent, how do you define the "Certain"?

2. Certainty also implies static existence. Whatever is dynamic and infinite is beyond certainty. You cannot put a finger to it.

Cheers,
Desh

In the dream world you can’t experience (for lack of a better word) the oneness of God nor could you ever understand what you really are, because of the forms that are still present. The dream world is a product of manifestation and is a reflection on ones personal world due to their personal experiences in manifestation. Your technically stuck in the same grand illusion of manifestation, and to break free (liberation) is to take the final step beyond into Eternity, which is a totally different dimension altogether. This is the great Void that the great sages talked about where nothing changes, totally void of attributes, forms, and differences. That is the oneness with all and as long as forms are present you can not realize that oneness with the Almighty. ~Kurt~

I would like to add something to the commentary I already made in Posting #16 about The Way of Aloha. The belief is this:

Within us is the center of the universe where we find the living God, Aumakua. When we truly attune ourselves to this Divine Source, we find it to be infinite in both scope and power.

Essential to creating a life of community living is the idea of Kahi, Oneness, and Lokahi, Unity. To practice Aloha, we need to give up our deeply rooted assumption that we are all separate---to feel our inner connections with all people, places and things.

Aloha is the wondrous rhythm of Life, as well as the Spirit in and behind all Creation. It is a path of love, harmony and appreciation for the beauty in all things and it is only available in the eternal moment of manawa (now).

Isn't this a beautiful way of viewing Creation?

"Betsy" S.

Humm...the dream world is just another level of consciousness and a master can certainly transcend in dreaming, as well as creating while in that state or assisting another. If one becomes adept, then they can also enter other's dreams and communicate as a part of another's dream to help. There are healers that prefer this type of healing instead of the physical awake state such as a 1-on-1 or face-to-face encounter. It also like, when two or more mediators are in deep thought, they can join their minds together as one. Or one master mediator can help another and so on, as I think one gets the point. I think it's important to always remember that we are really only ONE.

.... just some random thoughts.

Love, Char

Dear Kurt:

#12: You got it right. Thanks for your deep and correct understanding.
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Dear Todd:

#11: “…definition of Pure Potential …”

Scientifically speaking, the potentiality is the probability and possibility of an event to happen or materialize or manifest. For example, in quantum mechanics when an observer looks on a quantum entity it collapses it into a classical or manifested reality or object. There is a probability or potentiality associated with what type of manifested reality appears out of the process of looking.

The unmanifested reality is absolute and oneness of eternity beyond the duality of space-time, while the potentialities or probabilities of many possible manifestations are many or infinite number. The lack of consciousness of the observer is the root cause of these many potentialities or probabilities. If the observer is fully conscious, the manifested reality is same as the absolute existence.

From the point off view of common language, “potential” represents what is possible but not absolutely certain. God or universal consciousness is not a potential or possibility but an absolute existence. Your definition of potential, from this viewpoint, is counter to the scientific certainty of the absolute eternity (fully dilated space time). But this may only be the problem of language even if the intended meaning is consistent with the scientific or common language meaning of the word – potential or possible.

The easiness or clarity of comprehension is relative to the ability of the listener to comprehend. It is naturally easier for a non-scientist to understand non-scientific rather than scientific language of expression.

I am not competeing here with you or anyone else, but simply stating what the Holistic Scientific understanding reveals. Sometimes the revelations may contradict the prevalent understanding but that may be only healthy for the mind and truthfulness. Why would one want to hold on to the Old Definitions no matter how much dear they may be?
The unmanifested, unbounded limitless ground of being is the ultimate absolute reality and certainty of existence in eternity.Its many relative manifestations in the forms of matter, space, and time are conglomerates consisting of multiple infinite numbers of individually manifested potentials, possibilities, and probabilities.

Concepts that remain unvalidated and unverified remain concepts as such; for example metaphysical, metaphorical or philosophical concepts. However, the verified and validated scientific concepts against multitudes of experiences and observations point to the underlying universal laws that are nothing but the order of the universe - universal consciousness - the ultimate reality. Laws represent the universal awareness and not concepts or beliefs that remain unvalidated pronouncements of metaphysical beliefs or pronouncements.

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Dear Desh:

#17: “…1. would certainty or uncertainty be an issue/property of the consciousness? Certainty or lack of it implies a relation to space, time and causality. If these three are absent, how do you define the "Certain"?

Universal Consciousness is beyond space time and hence represents the absolute existence that exists certainly without any inherent uncertainty or potential or possibility or probability that is only associated with the manifestations of matter in no-zero space and time. Certainty is Pure Existence that exists without any uncertainty or potentialities or probabilities of space time duality or multiplicity of causality.

“2. Certainty also implies static existence. Whatever is dynamic and infinite is beyond certainty. You cannot put a finger to it.

As I described in my previous post – universal consciousness or existence is the kinetic energy of the extreme kind and not a static entity. It appears static to our minds because of its fully dilated time (stopped clock) and space (omnipresence or infinite nature). Hence, the absolute certainty, infiniteness, and dynamic nature of existence are fully consistent and go hand in hand physically, mathematically, and spiritually. There is absolutely no exceptions or contradictions in natural laws of science and spirituality.

Regards,
Avtar

The Game of Life comprises three realms of reference - the spiritual, virtual and actual (physical)- which is why there are three desciplines of knolwedge i.e., mysticism, philosophy and science.

The spiritual realm is from which the Game begins. It can only be experienced directly by ripe people and is essentially indescribable.

The virtual realm is in which it (the spiritual realm in the form of One, God, Soul, Spirit, Superforcve, Supersymmetry, Substance) gets wound-up/entangled into four basic forces and is verily is the realm of infinite potential because of that. It will some day be described by the holistic quantum theory. (Read quantum entanglement)

The actual or physical realm is in which it gets unwound from the forces, or in which the potential gets actualised. It will someday be described by the holistic relativity theory. May be Avtar Singh has already described it though I doubt it for if it were so science would have been unable to refuse to accept it.

In the above connection I also wrote something in an other blog which is worth reading:

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Everything is hidden in the language. Nothing is really no-thing. But it can comprise of potential of things in some less material form, like Aristotle's 'potentia.' (It is our virtual realm above)

Even beyond that, it could also comprise of what makes things from potential of things. It could be what "breathes fire into the equations" to use Hawking's words to make universe out of them. (It is the spiritual realm, Avtar Singh's Universal, non-local, non-focal Consciosuness lol.

Desh the truth in your comment is apparent.
What a waste of time all of this is labeling
and making futile attempts to scientifically
classify the void (infinity).
As Desh says,
"Whatever is dynamic and infinite is beyond certainty. You can't put a finger on it."
Todd

Absolute is a relative term.
A cosmic jivanmukta (freed one) is not that (infinity) for infinity has no attributes;
it is neither absolute or non-absolute,
conscious nor unconscious,
because all attributes and qualities belong to
the manifested.
Todd

Dear Char,

I found your Posting #20, regarding the Power of the Mind to Heal, very thought provoking.I realize that once one connects with the Universal Consciousness or Superconscious Mind then power such as you have mentioned is available.

As I have previously mentioned the early Hawaiians' philosophy of Creation, I would like to refer to this again.

We are each a "trinebeing", having a superconscious self, a conscious self, and an unconscious self. When the three-part being is operating as a united family (ohana) working in harmony, there is a flow of synchronicities and serendipities in one's life, fuelled by the God Flame within (Aumaukua), directed by the Conscious Spirit of Divine Will and a person's individuality (Uhane), and expressed by the domain of Emotions living in the present moment (Unihipili).

When healing occurs the person is transformed into a temple in which the forces of nature converge for the purpose of deep recovery of the whole integrated person; a person living in the Intention of the Creator: living in joy, abundance and laughter.

The early Hawaiians recognized and relied upon the Power of the Mind.

"Betsy" S.

"Whatever is dynamic and infinite is beyond certainty. You can't put a finger on it."

Your right, very difficult, but we can at least try, because to keep it a secret like a lot of the past sages did, puts an end to intellectually understanding it. A Spiritual understanding helps one in the process by dangling the carrot (desire/goal), by the lucid guide lines it creates, which makes it very believable. Beliefs can be fragile and uninspiring to the analytical mind, which in today’s world is common.

Todd, Your # 24th post is right on too, beyond opposites. ~Kurt~

Dear Avtar,
After more than a year I think I'm beginning to understand your words better.
Absolute certainty means to me Conviction.
Non-locality means " a river runs through it".
Non-duality - still working on that one;
I think, because the river keeps running.

Dear Todd:

#23: “"Whatever is dynamic and infinite is beyond certainty. You can't put a finger on it."

#24: “Absolute is a relative term.”

The above statements are false because they violate the universal laws of conservation that are well vindicated both by science and spirituality of non-duality. The fact is that whatever is static and finite, such as matter, is inflicted with the relativity and uncertainties of non-zero space-time as evidenced by the quantum uncertainty.

Just because you can’t put a finger on “It” or just because you can’t describe “It” DOES NOT AT ALL mean that “It” does not certainly exist. One’s inability to describe, understand, or put finger on it only demonstrates one’s unconsciousness and schizophrenia but not the absolute nature of reality. The common mistake one makes is to make unvalidated and incorrect pronouncements via imposing one’s own weakness or deficiencies upon nature or existence.

The well established and validated scientific laws of conservation prove that what exists has always existed certainly and will always exist certainly. Moreover, no one can put a finger on the universal laws but they exist eternally, omnipresently, and certainly. If the universal laws did not exist certainly, then all the invalidated and scientifically ridiculous statements and pronouncements like the above and their pronouncers would not exist certainly. Even the certainty of the statements goes to hell if the certainty-full laws did not exist. The very basis of the statement above is founded on the certainty of the laws that exist eternally, howsoever untouchable.

Darkness has never seen the light; as soon as the light appears darkness gets dissolved. Darkness can only hallucinate about the light and make pronouncements that light does not exist. But that does not even have an iota affect on the truth of the absolute existence of light.

Similarly, what is relative has never seen the absolute that exists eternally and absolutely. The imaginary pronouncements from the relative that the absolute does not exist can only be self gratifying to the relative but is only its hallucination. It is in flagrant violation of the universal laws of conservation and existence.

Similarly, quantum mechanics may declare that –“Moon does not exist if no one is looking at it”. But the truth is that the whole existence is aware of the moon and its relative existence is not subject to the whim or fancy of the quantum observer whose unconsciousness and self-centered ego mistakenly declares itself to be the sole observer and creator of reality.

Bottom line, the statements above are seriously flawed since they not only violate the universal laws but also the laws of spirituality of the certain, non-dual, and eternal existence, forever dynamic and infinite, howsoever un-manifested. Only the universal consciousness can comprehend the certainty (absoluteness of non-duality) of the eternal existence. However, for the unconscious (unaware of the universal laws) it would remain an uncertain “potential or probability or possibility”.

Regards,
Avtar

Dear Avtar,

“Just because you can’t put a finger on “It” or just because you can’t describe “It” DOES NOT AT ALL mean that “It” does not certainly exist. One’s inability to describe, understand, or put finger on it only demonstrates one’s unconsciousness and schizophrenia but not the absolute nature of reality. The common mistake one makes is to make unvalidated and incorrect pronouncements via imposing one’s own weakness or deficiencies upon nature or existence.”

I don’t think anyone is saying it doesn’t exist or the universal laws, I think what they are saying is; if something is so inherently perfect, and without attributes makes it seem so futile to try and describe it, any sort of description would be limiting and counterproductive. I also think that it is very difficult for people to understand spirituality, non-duality, perfection, Eternity, and its connection to manifestation or the reason why? Since you can’t measure it or prove this realm with instruments we are working in philosophies, metaphors, and theories, if you will. Because of which, it is just as valid to say it doesn’t exist as it is to say it does exist.

I don’t think schizophrenia is a good word to use all the time, since it is a medical term for a severe mental illness, and someone may think it is an angry remark. ~Kurt~

When I read what I said last night I realize it isn't exactly clear:

“Since you can’t measure it or prove this realm with instruments we are working in philosophies, metaphors, and theories, if you will. Because of which, it is just as valid to say it doesn’t exist as it is to say it does exist.”
“I don’t think schizophrenia is a good word to use all the time, since it is a medical term for a severe mental illness, and someone may think it is an angry remark.”

I'll use the straight approach:
The very fact that you are calling someone unconscious, schizophrenic, weak and deficient for not understanding you, are the red flags of the intellectual ego. It is unnecessary and counterproductive to use words that may cause someone to throw up a wall in defense to your attacks. ~Kurt~

Infinite possibilities includes schizophrenia.

Todd

Dr. Avtar:

I obviously do not agree with your certainty thing. And the reason is pretty simple..

certainty or lack of it is only a construct of space and time. You can specify the value of certainty or probability in space and time. If there is no space the concept of probability or certainty is meaningless.

And certainty for whom? And certainty "of" what? What is the observer certain of?

What does this certainty qualify? Even mathematically, does certainty or probability have any relevance in an infinite world?

Anyways I think this is an unfruitful debate because we are using words to describe a state that is probably not the best means.

Cheers,
Desh

"The above statements are false because they violate the universal laws of conservation that are well vindicated both by science and spirituality of non-duality." -Avtar

Science can't be of non-duality and spirituality
can't be of duality.

"The fact is that whatever is static and finite, such as matter, is inflicted with the relativity and uncertainties of non-zero space-time as evidenced by the quantum uncertainty. "

Matter is never static, nor finite since its very smallest constituents are connected non-locally to the whole of universe, and even the very socalled infinite, eternal consciousness is a special kind of energy part of this very matter. There is nothing beyond matter/energy.

That doctor that had a stroke and explained about her experience on that video, showed a human brain, containing a left part and a right part, that were separated in the middle.

Deepak says: find the gap between your thoughts, which to me means find the middle, so the middle part of one's brain.

I made a poem of this with lines in it like:

It is not this, it is not that, it is a truth we always had.

It is not this (right brain), it is not that (left brain), it is a truth we always had (the gap or the middle between the two brain halfs).

When we are born, we are in the middle. Education, indoctrination, religion, culture you name it forces you to meander between the left part (logic) and the right part (intuition). This duality is a natural consequence of our lives.

We do not know enough yet about how our brain functions, but when I had my experience of oneness, or perhaps it was a light stroke, I saw that beautiful pulsating, radiating colourful curtain, which might well have been my brain that I was watching.

I now have gained the insight that I am all three of this, consciousness (logic), unconsciousness (intuition) and Supra Consciousness (the so-called Gap inbetween), a "trinebeing" as Betsy S. calls it.

I came to this conclusion after reading a lot, walking a labyrinth both the left way and the right way and it is a Uni-cursal maze, which means that you ALWAYS arrive in the middle. It has NO dead ends like in normal mazes.

It can also be compared with Planck's zero level, or the unified zero field or whatever.

Being in the "Gap between" is this spontaneous decay or free will or unified zero field, or God or Christ or Buddha consciousness.

In my view it ALL means the same. And I AM That!

lol, sorry for the long explanation. By writing this message to MYSELF it became even clearer.

Much love to ALL from the heartphone,

Mieke

There is nothing beyond matter/energy and the special kind of Energy.

Just as when matter and anti-matter meet they annihilate each other and produce electromagnetic energy, similarly, going deeper on both sides when virtual matter in the form of fermions (subtlest of matter contituting the body part of the universe)and virtual matter in the form of bosons (subtlest of matter constituting the mind part of the universe)meet they annihiliate each other and produce that special kind of enegy, to which poet Johh Donne cslled Radiant Light.

Spontaneous decay of stars comprises

the meeting of matter and anti-matter thus emitting electromagnetic energy

going deeper and comprises the meeting of virtual fermions and virtual bosons to produce alpha, beta and gamma emmisions/radiation which together with something yet beyond and unexplanable may be sdaid to be that Special Kind of Energy. It is the sum total of enrgy if all the intermediate forms of matter and energy were converted into Energy. Of course I am not a scientist it is my guess born out of my experience and insights into the working of the scheme of things of the universe as explained in my book Self-Designed Universe.

Mieke, there is a (connecting)gap between both parts of our brain and there is a still deeper gap between both parts of our what is called mind. Do you know there are two holes in the famous Yin-Yang figure, one black hole in the end of white part and one white hole in the end of black part? The first represents the gap between both parts of our brain and the second represents the gap betwen our deeper brain or mind. While experiencing interalia the first gap one may see something tangible and as if outside of oneself as you saw coloured dot, but while experiencing the second or deeper gap one alnogwith the 'seer' may simply evaporate so to say. In the first one feels what you call unconditional love, protectedness, while in the second one just feels I Am if at all. Or even not this. One just picks one's body and baggaage and moves lol.

Well Harb, that is exactly what I am going to do then, pick up my body and move.

Love, Mieke

And see yourself moving in the universal labyrinth rather than in any particular here and there lol.

My reference is to if you are interested:

Once some people requested Nanak, in whose name later Sikh religion started, to do aarti (in which some lighted earthen lamps are placed in a big plate called thaali in our language and then this plate is moved by someone in cycles before any diety. Nanak replied to the effect:

"Look above, the sky is the plate or thaali, the stars are the lighted earthen lamps in it, and the whole universe including me is already doing aarti before the One, truest Diety. When such a grand aarti is already one how can I leave it to perform yours."

So we too are also and always a part of the greatest labyrinth as well.

Hope you will enjoy the story. If you wish to know the full detail or the full words used by Nanak let me know and I will write all the lines.

"The special kind of energy" is the nothingness that is beyond matter and energy. Anything that is measurable with energy is a product of energy, and subject to the opposing forces of duality, which is magnetism (-and the +). While Eternity is nonduality, no opposing forces or differences. ~Kurt~

My definition may not have been clear.

There is one outgoing or positive energy constituting our usual world (phenomenal world, body principle, female principle, extended principle, reactive principle etc ) and there is an ingoing or negative energy constituting our antiworld (anti plus virtual world of bosons - noumenal world, male principle, knowing principle, probing principle, active principle etc). When they meet at the middle or shallow level they produce electromagnetic energy but when they meet at the deeepest level they annihilate and produce that Special Kind of Energy. That will be like the subtlest of sparks, as different from the usual electromagnetic spark as the 'spark' of love is from the spark of sex.

Of course one can say that both kinds of matter/energy - outward going and inward going annihilate themselves and what remains then is nothignness. But then I wonder how nothingness is experienced and how beginning from nothingness we can then experience everything superstructureed on it. Moreover, how all this will be One?

If there can be eternity, non-duality why there cant be infinite, non-measurable special kind of energy. why nothingness?

May be it is what Avtar Singh calls zero-point energy? Ramana calls it What Is Is, Lao Tze calls it One, but it certainly cant be nothigness and it certainly comprise/include of both ordinary matter and energy. May be, matter and energy are the names given by us humans otherwise who knows what it iself calls itself lol. May be we can just not talk about it. But then we cant call it even nothing, nor even infnite, non-dual and so on.

Sometimes one unnecessarily gets entangled into the web of words and is led astray. The following is what I have written about it in my book Self-Designed Universe in an effort to describe it. I hope some of the people here will enjoy it.

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It is an unwordable, unintellectualisable, ultimately indescribable something-in-itself, usually called matter and energy from our side but which actually is both and yet beyond both - some third something from its own side, in itself. For, by just being given a name (matter and energy or whatever)by us human beings - an infinitesimal part of it - whatever it is has no obligation to be just so.

However, to still describe it we can try the following words as representing its nearest approximation. It is an infinite, eternal, undifferentiating 'What Is Is' which gives birth to, is immanent in and yet overflows all systems - from the universe as a whole down to the nucleus which is just in the process of forming. For imagination's sake think of a sea giving birth to waves from itself..."

Dear Mieke,

In Posting #34, I found one of your statements a bit confusing:

"It is not this (right brain), it is not that (left brain). it is a truth we always had (the gap or the middle between the two brain halfs)".

As I understand it, it is the Brain that is the Hardware. Its function is to transmit information via the firing of neurons.

The Mind ("the Program")or Universal Consciousness is the Software. Mind is contacted through the use of the will and emotion.

The Heart is the center of emotion. The "Third Eye" (Eye of the Soul) conveys the information from the Mind or Universal Consciousness to the one who is in harmony with It.

So, the brain is a "transmitter" of knowledge but; it is not where "the Program" is located.

This is the way I understand it.

"Betsy" S.

Dear Betsy S.,

Yes I can understand you see it that way.

In my vision I see a butterfly.

The butterfly consists of the body/mind which resides in the middle and represents to me the Superconscious self, while it's left and it's right wing represent to me the logical and intuitive brain with which it has to fly and it CAN fly.

If all three are in balance, it can fly anywhere and there is no duality whatsoever. It flows with the flow. The program becomes the transmitter and the transmitter becomes the program.

To me there is no difference anymore.

I said to Harb I pick up my body and move. And I really meant it.

Something that cannot be explained can be explained in every way possible and at the same time in neither way.

Love, Mieke

Hey Harp,

“But then I wonder how nothingness is experienced and how beginning from nothingness we can then experience everything superstructureed on it. Moreover, how all this will be
One?”

It is very similar to the principals of matter and energy. You can only see matter if you have eyes made of matter to see it with. Likewise you can only see the nothingness of Eternity through the nothingness of your Soul. You use energy to witness energy and you use Eternity to witness Eternity. Starting from the nonduality or nonexperiential state of nothingness you are born into the duality and the experiences of matter. Perfection gave birth to imperfection and the Souls newly acquired counterpart thinks imperfection is what it is, it is all God for sure, but one is the fleeting expression of the other.

“If there can be eternity, non-duality why there cant be infinite, non-measurable special kind of energy. why nothingness?”

Because duality pervades in energy creating the variety of differences, which we enjoy. Only the pure space of still light that is whole, complete, and full, without changing forms, is the Almighty power that is impermeable and indestructible by moving and changing energy, making it omnipotent. Nothingness is pure Awareness of being, without the duality of energy, however nothing is very much something and it is your Eternal home. The universe is unnoticeable in this realm and the only way to behold it is through energy. ~Kurt~

When I took karate 27 years ago in Florida, our school was affiliated with that of Master Fusei Kise's in Okinawa. He came to visit us and my sensei held an informal gathering. My sensei asked Master Kise if he meditated. He replied: Not any more.
I was just thinking about that because he could have meant that he traded in his standard transmission for an automatic. I think that kind of thing only comes with the Certainty of Conviction.

“I was just thinking about that because he could have meant that he traded in his standard transmission for an automatic. I think that kind of thing only comes with the Certainty of Conviction.”

Your evaluation is right on the mark, his job is done, he saw Reality, the truth behind all that we objectively see, and now the meditative state is automatic. Absolute certainty can only come from Absolute Space via enlightenment all else is speculation. ~Kurt~

Well said goldberry. Reaching the state where one's very natural way of living is meditation is the goal. Interestingly then one finds that everybody else is also in a state of meditation. Only they do not know it.

We are to God as a drop of water in a sea is to sea (of course were the sea infinite). Now, were the drop to meditate it will be trying to realize its oneness with the sea. On reaching the goal it will always see itself as one with the sea, but will also find that all other drops are also always one with it, though they may not yet know it.

Kan: "Only the pure space of still light that is whole, complete, and full, without changing forms, is the Almighty power that is impermeable and indestructible by moving and changing energy, making it omnipotent."

How SPACE of STILL LIGHT can be called nothingness. Isn't it full of still light? And cant this still light be called special kind of energy?

"Nothingness is pure Awareness of being, without the duality of energy, however nothing is very much something..."

That is what I am already saying that it is not nothingness it is something and that, it is special kind of spark-like energy, only EXPERIENCEABLE AT CERTAIN SPACETIME POINTS ON your evolutionary journey and yes, it can be what you call still light, though I doubt if light can be called still.

"The universe is unnoticeable in this realm and the only way to behold it is through energy..."

If perfection gives birth to imperfection it means perfect or special kind of (non-dual) energy must be there in perfection to give birth to imperfect or dual or ordinary kind of energy to further behold the universe.

Harb

I agree with Harb. As I said on OT,

"Something is the matter." Therefore,

energy is a bride in wait, so to speak.

What she gives birth to, will be older than sin.

Experience is graced with conviction.

There's no way out of That. Ha!

It's now time to go and make another falling dollar.

Carry on!

Harp,

“How SPACE of STILL LIGHT can be called nothingness. Isn't it full of still light? And cant this still light be called special kind of energy? “

Yes, you can, it is pure, empty still dark space, with a dim light, its not like any light here, because it doesn’t travel. I call it the light of Awareness, the power of Stillness, which gave birth (metaphorically) to movement, a spreading wave that evolved into the Universe, a different dimension. The Still pond of light remains as it always has, untouched by anything happening here.

The dimension of the spreading wave can’t mix with the dimension of Stillness(keeps it pure), but it clashes and reflects off of it creating a new spreading energy or light, spark, heat, gas, and so forth. In theory

Dear Harb,

http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2006/03/her_worlds_her_.html

Go have a look there.

What people nowadays produce in for instance Second Life, a 3D virtual environment on the Internet, is what I am doing for myself with my own 3D virtual reality software.

I can create earth exactly the way i want it. I can create a galaxy exactly the way I want it. I can fly anywhere.

What will it be like if there would be an earth that would be lesser bound to gravity? What possibilities arise for other "transport vehicles"?

By experimenting in those virtual worlds, one could find out.

We have some 3D virtual environment in our country that they call "The Cave". In it they construct new models of cars in 3D virtual reality and test numerous new attributes for them.

Look at the butterfly wings of this lady on the link I gave hereabove.

While creating such virtual worlds, some very good ideas can arise, as I have experienced with that 3D computer club I have been a member of in the nineties.

I say it again here, ART-SCIENCE is the future.

This is the new way movies are made already.

Well, here lies a whole new way of exploring the Universal Labyrinth :)

Love, Mieke

Alright Kan, I take my special kind of energy back and replace it with special kind of light. I hope it will suffice.

By the way my name is Harb, though an American girl friend of mine used to call me Harp with love, perhaps you too call me Harp with love lol?

Harb

PS: You seem to have had a great self-experience of that special kind of light. Will you explain how it came forth...through meditation or through asking the question "Who am I?" or through some other method?

Mieke, you have reminded me of a very important paragraph in my book. As all progress is because of four basic interactions it is similar at all lower or higher levels. You know we are doing now in computers what a species on a far advanced planet will be doing in actual? Here is the relevant paragraph:

"As gravity would be negligible at that place, the plants would have no need of such large stems, nor animals and men such prominant legs, nor supermen of their already minor somethings in place of legs.

Perhaps plants at such higher regions will simply cease to exist because they are basically the species which came into existence because of Mosc's (Matter of spiritual category's)need to go against gravity and when gravity would be only of marginal value, plants existence too would have only marginal possibility.

Animals perhaps would be like as they are shown in some Hindu mythological stories - simply flying into air - obviously mainily because of the attractions and repulsions of now prominant electromangetic forces.

Men, to cut the long story short, at some still higher regions, where even electromagnetic force would cease to dominate and give the place of prominance to strong forces or interactions, simply because strong interactions operate in the virtual realm WOULD DEVELOP THE POWER TO GO VIRTUAL HERE ONLY TO APPEAR AT SOME OTHER PLACE, again as they are now shown in the already mentioned mythological stories in the form of demigods or angels. "

Perhaps in the same above way man would be actually creating everything else around him, just as now you are creating them in the form of virtual world in the computer.

Refer page 148, 149 if you want to read more.

Well Harb, seems totally to fit into the Scheme of Things :)

Much love,

Mieke

Hey Harp, LOL

The I Am method is what I call spiritual contemplation in general, and although it was a way of life for me by keeping the mind on one track through redirection. It is meditation without mental decoys is what takes you to the next level. I was meditating all the time and even in motion I was doing an active meditation if I wasn’t contemplating, but the present moment needs to be traversed. The body, the mind, and the world needs to be left behind, and you can’t do that if you are using them to do that. Samadhi meditation doesn’t use the mind or bodily senses thus it gives you the opportunity for Self-Realization. ~Kurt~

Harp, a music instrument that produces that One Long Divine song :)
A song to praise the Lord!!

Love from the heartphone,

Mieke

Hi Witnesser,

Regarding your statement, "Uncertainty, probability and potentialities are not inherent in nature as it exists. They are artifacts of the unconsciousness of the ego and its schizophrenic way of looking and comprehending."

I cannot reconcile this statement with my understanding of genetics, specifically dominant alleles and recessive alleles. I suppose if I say Mendel's ego thought that up, then I can agree.

Otherwise, I like your article and found it very interesting.

Much of intent blog discussions have spoken on the ego. From the way I understand it, ego is like an impediment dissolved in a solution. The solution being prana.

As I understand it, prana is achieved by breathing. This prana-building breathing is better done in meditation with a certain deep breathing style.

So it is just me, but I get bored by a focus on the problem rather than on the solution. Ego. Ego. Ego. Ego. Jumping from ego to God or Universal Consciousness ... well ... how? Yes, it is the solution but ... how to get there?

When I was researching it all I found the term prana and the term of chi to be closely related. Chi is built by meditation and one must meditate for an hour just to earn a little chi. Chi then enables one to have heightened perception with the sixth sense of each of the five senses. I saw some research where some questioned the role of chi and the slight difference in weight at the time of death. Have you ever moved an air compressor? Those things are heavy. I'll have to research to figure out if it is because of what they are made of or because of compressed air.

Dear Mieke,

I would like to refer to the metaphor you used in your Posting #44.

The metaphor you used of the butterfly consisting of the body/mind residing in the middle, while its right wing represents the logical part of the brain and, the left wing represents the intuitive side of the brain with which it has to fly and it CAN fly. This idea holds much truth.

As for myself, I have always considered the right side (feminine side) the side in control of the emotional body. Also, this side is most apt to allow intuitive guidance. The left side (the masculine side) is said to be the side most apt to rely upon logic.

It is said that INTUITION is the avenue which can bring the two sides together. When there is a marriage of the two types of consciousness then BALANCE CAN BE ACHIEVED.

The unfortunate state of civilization today is said to have been caused by the rulership of the Left Brain influence in those who control governments.

Consciousness needs to be elevated so that the psychological control and manipulation of consciousness which now defines reality for so many is no longer accepted.

The BUTTERFLY CAN FLY if it utilizes both wings in harmony with one another.

Thank you very much for your insightful commentaries.

"Betsy" S.

Dear Betsy S.,

Thank you too :)

I want to share a little song with you I came across in a Dutch monastery a few years ago that was printed in a little English book I purchased there:

Star of Aloha

Heiwa, shalom, salaam, peace
Ping-an, paz,shanti, mir

We´re the family that lives
in the little star house home
That all around the top
has an open sky face dome
This Garden star house
is our family abode
And we all live together
"on Galaxy Road"

We´re the family that lives
the Aloha way
We´ll Hawaii everyone
with Aloha today
And garlanded with love
in our family abode
We will all dance together
"on Galaxy Road"

In the book I also found a beautiful word: "Abamma", which means Aba and Mamma, male and female :)

With love,

Mieke

Dear Mieke,

The song is truly beautiful. I'm fascinated by the fact that you found it in, of all places, a Dutch Monastery.

I have been fortunate enough to have visited the Netherlands. I didn't get to any monasteries but, I visited Keukenhoff Gardens near Amsterdam and was amazed to find the variety of tulips raised there. Also, visited the Rijksmuseum and wish I could have explored it more thoroughly without having been rushed so much.

Thank you again for the Uplifting Commentary.

Best Wishes,

"Betsy" S.

Dear Betsy,

Yes I can understand your fascination. Our country is famous because of the tulips and Amsterdam is the only city foreigners are familiar with, including it's musea. And perhaps the windmills and the wooden shoes :)

This monestary is an international one, founded by a German male and a Dutch female missionary in 1889 in the south of our country, near the German border.

It became a worldwide network based on a few simple principles among which the stimulation of respect between nations, cultures and religions and the soul care in health, science, agriculture, education, media work, craft, etc.

I followed a course there and had some time to discover the multiple art, culture and nature in the form of paintings, books, walking in monestary gardens, etc. And so I came across this little book of an English missionary called: "We are all ONE" :),
with this beautiful Aloha song in it.

I have not travelled much, have never been out of Europe, but in the history of one's own country one can find a lot of international connections back.

And by travelling on the Internet one can also learn a lot about the many cultures, religions and nations.

I am curious, always willing to learn and in my own way I am able to make my life an adventure by discovering something new each day :)

Love from the heartphone,

Mieke

P.S. Betsy,

Barack Obama comes from Hawaii :)

At least he lived there long enough lol

Mieke

Dear Mieke,

Thank you for the additional information. I don't quite understand what you mean by Obama "living there long enough". There are traditional (old-school Hawaiians) and more recent (current, modernistic school) varieties.

Just as in any culture, original belief systems have been diluted and sometimes even completely abandoned by some.

I have personally not yet seen any political figures who have been seriously concerned about adherence to a spiritually-guided value system.

Best wishes,

"Betsy" S.

Dear Betsy,

Well if you read about Barack's lifestory, for instance hereunder:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17003563/

You will notice that he had a very multicultural education, so his mind was broadened at a very early age.

This is, in my belief, in the world we live in today, a very promising aspect for the whole world, if he might become the president of the U.S.A.

When I read this article I saw many resemblances in principles I also found in that monestary.

Moreover I believe the first twelve years in a person's life are the most important and can shape a person for the rest of his life.

Best wishes,

Mieke

Dear Avtar,
Deepak has always talked about a nonlocal mind (there is even a recent video post by him titled nonlocal mind) and now you have a few posts on local mind. How does your "mind" differ from his?
Actually, earlier, you had a few posts on nonlocality of human mind. Is the local mind in this post different from the "human mind" in the other posts? Did you change your mind about "mind"?

Dear Mieke,

I usually don't like to get into political discussions; however, since you have brought up Obama, I will make a comment.

I checked out the site you referenced at msnbc. and read the story given there about Obama. First of all, he left Hawaii at age six to live in Indonesia and then returned at the age of ten to live with his maternal grandparents. The story did not really give much information about his education - mostly about his athletic interests.

In the U.S. it is understood that many of the major newspapers always champion the candidates who take the most liberal positions on issues. The media is quite slanted here. There is very disproportionate news reporting done here.

There has recently been quite a controversy raised regarding Obama's attendance for over 20 years at a church where a minister with very racist leanings has been preaching to him. The question is raised as to why Obama would align himself with such a so-called spiritual leader. We tend to associate with those who hold similar opinions and values as we believe and follow as well.

So, these are my feelings about Obama.

Best Wishes,

Betsy

Dear Betsy,

Thank you for your comment. I am not interested in politics in general as I believe the dualistic debates have never lead to anything up till now than the left brain influence you mentioned earlier.

Obama however touched my heart from the beginning. I have read his Blueprint for change and for the first time in my life I am impressed.

That's all I can say and as I am not in a position to vote anyway my comments are of no importance.

I am aware though of a rather difficult dilemma in your country and the choice of choosing a democratic candidate.

Thank you very much for a nice conversation.

I do hope things will sort themselves out in a satisfactory way for everyone.

Best wishes,

Mieke

Dear Mieke,

Again, I agree with you about the political scene being dominated by Left Brain guidance. Even if a person of good intentions is elected (and I don't know who that might be), that person will be constantly opposed by others who believe that competition is more important than is the co-operation needed to act for the good of the people.

There is a serious need today for the development of the Right Brain Consciousness which governs Intuition, Compassion, Receptivity, Creativity, and Nourishment. It is possible to use both the Left and Right Brain together for the best possible harmonious developments for society. If only people could recognize this possibility.

Best Wishes,

Betsy