I think our universe is just one firework in a fireworks show. We started as the basic chemicals put together by the fireworks maker, or maybe his assistant, put in a tube and the fuse was lit. Our pre-universe shot into the summer sky and exploded into a brilliant display lasting only moments for those observers, for us it has been billions of years.
We just can't see past ourselves to see our creators saying, "That was a good one".

derek

Hi DK Matai,

There is the universe of the changing now, and the universe of the changeless now.

There is the objective universe of forms, and the subjective universe of the formless.

There is the universe of the temporal reality, and the universe of the permanent reality.

There is the timed universe of the perceivable differences, and the timeless one without differences.

There is the imperfect universe which is flawed, and the perfect universe which is flawless.

There is the unstable universe of life and mind, and the stable universe of lifeless being.

There is a multi dimensional universe of energy, and the universe which is beyond energy.

There is the universe that has a multitude of personal worlds, and the other that has one.

There is the idea of two universes, but one is transiently imposed over the other one.

They both exist within one another, and one is the permanent support for the mortal one.

Since they both exist together and connect through Awareness, they are labeled as one.

But in order to see the perfect one, the imperfect one has to be disowned by the perfect one.

Since one universe is in a constant state of transition, and relies on the other one to survive.

Is it a real universe as we know it, when it comes to an end, and all that we know is gone?

~Kurt~

Dear DK,

Regarding point 3 of your observations: "what we do to others we do to ourselves and vice versa" to me seems about the same as "what you radiate you receive back" :)

I have written a number of interesting essays about the labyrinth and have given them to Harb who is very enthusiastic about it and will make a book of it. He is convinced that many people will be interested, perhaps first in India.

I now have those essays in the Dutch and in the English version. I have Harb's book in the English and in the Dutch version (translated by me) too. Those two views are very closely connected.

Here a complete intertwining of different worlds has been a source of inspiration that will now culminate in me having the intention to make a butterfly labyrinth in my country in nature. I am going to do this with a couple of people here who are also very interested in the labyrinth and its numerous possibilities.

I already have such a butterfly labyrinth in a 3D Virtual example on my computer. And do you know what is so interesting about this is, that the Labyrinth really can be a brain trainer and not only a tool for a walking meditation.

When the natural butterfly labyrinth (and this is a Brain Trainer) is ready, you may expect a personal invitation from me to come and walk it :).

With love,

Mieke

I enjoyed this post. Thanks for sharing here DK! Personally, I think all of these parallel worlds do exist and are connected. However, the closer one comes to the ONE, the smaller the gaps becomes and when something reaches ONE and becomes ONE in union, then it's all the same, as there is only ONE.

Love, Char

Catching up on reading all the posts now .... and wanted to make a comment. I had made a small labyrinth about 2 1/2 years ago in my backyard when I had one. It was based on a Wiccan book to call the dragons and it was a ton of fun, as I was studying that religion at the time. I miss not having a yard, but I know I will soon.

Anyway, my backyard was very powerful (even before my Wicca studies) and it's where I saw the light creatures (Luminaries?) on the earth's light grid about 6 years ago. One of the light creatures came down and reach out to touch me while I was in my hot tub. Of course I shut my eyes and started to pray and when I opened my eyes, it was gone. I read about these creature in one of the books that my dad sent me before he died. They have legs in the front of their body, as well as in the back of their body, so they don't have to turn around when walking on the line grid, I presume. I know ... I've shared this before, but just thought about it again.

Love, Char

Dear Char,

I have not studied any wiccan book or so after I was introduced to the labyrinth. I just was open to what was given to me and discovered that a labyrinth is a geometrical pattern that can be drawn from a seed pattern or from a meander pattern and they both can produce a unicursal path that always leads one to the centre of the pattern.

The way I have experienced the labyrinth is that it will bring you to the core of a problem and then lets you solve that problem in a very natural and creative way.

It has in my view everything to do with using ones full brain potential.

Scientists measure this in another way. In my humble view the most natural way is already in a humans possession by means of his intellect/intuition if he uses these two aspects of his brain simultaneously.

Love, Mieke

I think I will respond to this with a book.

Yes, it is all about the brain/mind training. Not to insult anyone, I find the Wiccan religion to be primitive, as well as many of the other religions, as one uses physical tools to accomplish what just a thought can do. I think most Wiccan's know this and today's Wiccan's are probably more advanced, as I studied a lot of very old material and never joined the schools, as they have classes for Riki and distant healing while one sleeps. However, I find Wica extremely fun, but it requires a lot of time which I do not have and when bored I might play around with it. We are all still very much a physical being and we still use tools in the the physical world to help us tune our desires, as we evolve into complete thought beings. That's the way I understand the labyrinth, especially after reading the above post #6, so I understand.

Hey, Richard ... please do say something :-) as I would be interested. But then one might get labeled as crazy! :-) I have nothing to lose :-)

Love, Char

Okay, I share one more thing and maybe Richard will comment, but I am sure Richard will be more technical and combine what Mieke's says ... and I really like that, as science does explain a lot and is getting closer to seeing what was once unseen.

In my backyard, I could see shadows of other creatures in the night, especially under a full moon. And if I stood up under the full moon, my body would sway back and forth as a tide in the ocean. And in the day light I could see other bodies that were see thru moving around in the trees. The best way to explain that one is what one see in the desert like a mirage, but there were actual creatures moving around and not just the heat. And when I was playing around with the labyrinth, which was only a few months, at night it looked like day, except thru sun glasses. I was told that's probably the clouds reflecting street lights? And all the other stuff probably has a reasonable explanation. Oh ... and there is a lot more about the wind, birds, bugs, solid objects, etc. It was like I was in a multiple universe and loving every minute of it. But I lost it all to life's hardships. I know things will improve again and I was told by Spirit/God/My Higher Self "You are just going to a difficult time. Everything going to be ok. Rest now." :-)

Love, Char

I guess I should have proofed my posts ... sorry for all the English errors!

I don't believe a world exists...nor a universe...nor parallel universes. I believe that as we seek... we find.

I believe the earth was flat until someone had the idea that it might not be...and demonstarted the belief by discovering it. Everyone else bought into "his" belief and experienced the world as round. So with everything we perceive with our senses.

I am always witnessing....creation.....there is no past nor future...it is timeless. It is not the created...nor the creator...but creation itself.

I still like being the fireworks. I mean aren't we in a huge explosion that we can not explain?
We are inside of an explosion. Right?
With infinite possibilities there could be someone bigger than our universe that would see us as a quick flash.

But inside the explosion it would seem like a very long time. we would have to come up with theories as to why we are here, how did we get here and so on. While the guy who made the fireworks knows exactly why we are here.

It's the whole 'Horton Here's a Who' story.

Who knows maybe every time we watch fire works whole universes are created and then fade. And as we watch the firey trail of the pre-universe soaring into the summer sky and then explode, our experience of that firework/universe is far longer than the life created inside.

Nobody has any proof whether this is true or not. This is one of an infinite number of possibilities of which none have any more proof than any other.

My point? Enjoy the moment, how ever you decide to create that moment.

derek

Derek,

I actually like your fireworks theory, life is an explosion of energy that takes awhile to evolve and whine down. It started with the big bang, it climaxes and will eventually dissolve into the empty Space it started from. It's a good and valid theory if you want to run with it. ~Kurt~

Hi Char,

Thanks for the feed back. That book would only be several weeks away. I have all the content. I have been writing on line for at least 15 years just about every day which also includes working on the Revolution, Our evolution. People tell me I give too much away to the world and why remain an anonymous ghost writer? Some have accosted me for being irresponsible for devoting so much energy in an attempt to make the world better. Some say the world doesn’t care about me why should I care about it? I say well if the world is a nice place to be, then it is to my benefit.

Really I just follow the impulses that arise, they are what causes the doing, I am just being.

It is time to reward this ego that has made such a sacrifice, besides books have certain advantages, and thank to technology and changes they can now be almost real time.

Before books would not suffice to propagate the memes and insight, quickly enough and on the scale needed, and open source free memes spread the fastest which was necessary to get us to this point.

I have been saving the best to last.

When I was young I would always eat my peas and carrots first saving the Yorkshire pudding and gravy till last.

It is time for the gravy.

Vivian, I had a similar thought come to mind yesterday that the world was flat until we needed it to be round. We couldn't have people falling off the edge now could we, and what would lie beyond?

Of course those that wanted a monopoly on the spice trade worked hard to keep the flat earth FICTION intact, so as to create a fear that would prevent discovery by others, preserving the new discovery for those that had a knowing of the truth. We should note those that first overcame their fear were well rewarded. There is great insight in understanding this modus operandi in the present.

Of course that isn't valid from a scientific perspective but perhaps a subjective one. Unless of course the world is a virtual reality arising from virtual particles, then who is to say?

I wrote a long time ago that...

"everytime we build a more powerful telescope we create more stars."

Char, I can relate to your experiences. But don't have time to elucidate, I will say for many things there is no known scientific explanation yet, I suspect they just exist in our mind and for sure an experience is real, but the interpretation may not be, just as the math is real but our interpretation of it may not be.

Of course if it is found that the whole world exists in our mind, in other words some virtual intangible component gives rise to the tangible then perhaps anything is possible if the math works.

How was that?

Thank you KAN
There are so many fun theories to play with.

Richard
You are my hero.

"everytime we build a more powerful telescope we create more stars."

derek

A book, you tease. Can't wait...!!.........

puzzle peace

derek

Yes...I am with you Richard. If we can dwell in all possibilities....aren't we creating as we are seeing...expecting to see?

We invent cures for illnesse..then new illnesse that need new cures...and new illnesse that need new cures.....instead of going to the source and ask ourselves how do illness/cures serve us?

Who "needs" will create. I choose to not create either way but be a passerby.

Yes Richard ... I would like to see your book as well. That's great that you get to eat the gravy now :-) I agree on what you said and I have been thinking for awhile about it, and if something cannot be proven by math, then it is not real, as I believe math is the truth and the absolute, as well as the law. However, in writing this, I wonder if that law changes beyond this world or even if that law exist in other worlds? I tend to believe that the laws are different at different levels and that the laws are meant to assist each level by keeping things organized for the creatures at a certain level, such as for humans on earth in our physical form. Again ... just freely pondering as my thoughts are flowing. Who knows? Well, I've got to run and take care of something.

Love, Char

Stimulus/response at work here. Derek, I agree that the fireworks analogy has possibilities except for the fact that fireworks burn out so quickly, and in fact, nothing is ever truly lost in the world of energy/matter.

The rule of stimulus/response worked for me because all of a sudden I was immersed in that world within in a world, which eventually disintegrates into nothing but neutrons and atoms finally so that we are all truly one like it or not, as simple carbons. Something occurring to me is the art of creating ivory artwork, a world within a world within a world, a lot like Russian Santa Clauses all nestled within one another in a descending large to smallest form.

I am sure that many of you have seen those ivory art carvings, always circular, but one found within another in a descending order.

So it would appear that the one universe concept is an archetype, of which each man probably has the inner design firmly imprinted within himself to emerge someday at a given moment for him to realize again and again.

Char, your wicca experiences are very interesting to read. Thanks for sharing those with us. I appreciate the fact that you have the courage to embark upon such a journey and even more, to share your findings with a group.

And I also like the idea that entrepreneurs and businessmen are who kept the earth is flat idea alive and well until someone was actually able to span the globe via a ship and find another continent and thus, dispell the notion. The cynic who understood the importance of this belief for the spice route fascinates me. A lot like fisherman who designed fish for Fridays for Catholics. Isn't commerce behind all great feasts and festivals?

Indulgences became a lifestyle of the Catholic church for sometime simply as a means of raising money for the family in power. It took a long time til someone who could see through the practice was able to squelch it.

Only certain kinds of personalities will ever want to know whether the universe is truly without time and space and thus give and devote their lives to it. Most of the rest of humanity is simply satisfied with 23 cent Pizza at Papa John's in Cleveland or a picnic lunch on the beach.

If life is nothing but a case of hot/cold, wet/dry, male/female, ying/yang, all a case of the opposites, then it is very simple. Opposites attract and destroy one another eventually. That must be the law of the earth or of the universe, but so far we have not gotten very far off the planet to know which it is, earth or universe. Is the same on Mars as on earth? We don't know yet, do we?

FYI: Actually, most all of my experiences where before I studied Wicca and the act of (practice of magic) in trying to manifest what was naturally evolving caused almost all miracles and/or oddities to stop or quickly fade away. Most of what happened to me was in an intense state of Love from God in answer to my prayer for the Comforter in the name of Jesus Christ. Nothing special as it was a gift and I thru it all away, as I tried to make things happen. But that's how we learn and if I could ever reach that state of Love again, I would presume, my experiences would pick up where they left off. However, I never, ever want to hurt and feel that pain that I felt in order to in that state. Maybe one day I will come close to Love again in a more easy way and at my own pace and when I can handled it and just maybe it will be the real Me ... or maybe not. I don't know, as I am just trying to keep a thin thread of light between me and God, so I am not alone or feel alone. Spirit tells me to rest, so I really am trying to do nothing in that area, except to remember Love, as I keep hearing "Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love,...."

Love, Char

arizonasunset
I don't literally believe we are in a fireworks display.
My point is we don't know. No one has any proof of any theory.

The universe could be the biggest thing there is and we could be the biggest maker of fireworks and all other universes are smaller.
There may not even be any other universes. We could be the only forms of life in the universe or one of untold billions, trillions.

It's a beautiful thing to be curious and play with theories but so far no one has any answers.

As far as I know, and that's not very far, we are on a ball of rock spinning through space where chaos has calmed to a livable pace. Hey that rhymed.

Until we run across anther intelligent life form we will look to the sky and say, 'We are here We are here We are here'. Then hopefully Horton will hear us and say 'I am here and I hear you'.

But yo, who knows?

derek