Hi Deepak,

You ask: "Are molecules the real thing, or are they just representations of intelligence in the consciousness of Nature?

Nice koan :)

You already answered your own question by stating that nature is conscious.

Love,

Miek

Deepak,

Thanks for the fascinating information! I see molecules as crystal chards in one holographic field. Light radiates through molecular matter when dark blocks are released.

I've been tending the garden seeds I planted and today my green beans and sunflowers are poking through the soil. Hooray! It seems that it took a long time as I lost some seed due to snow so I had to replant. It is an amazing sight to see green leaf transmuted from seed -- with seed still attached like an umbilical cord. This miracle makes me feel humble in emptyness and at the same time filled with awe.

Do scientists who are manipulating molecular matter have any experience with the miraculous power of nature? Have they absorbed that impact beyond their mental mind -- at their core? Do they sense and know themselves as seed, sprout, stem, leaf and flower or are they disassociated from this cycle and circle of nature? Are they treating matter like an object -- a toy for personal gain and gratification?

So many scientific experiments lead us down a path of degradation because they are out of alignment with nature. It's a reflection of the split in people who are innately whole and divine. Where did we lose our way? Did scientists experiment with our molecular matter somewhere along the line and interfere with nature's evolution? Are we still effected by this interference pattern?

Sort of sounds like a conspiracy theory. Now who would want the human species to destroy itself? Is it our own shadow self? If so...bring on the Light!

Trish~~

Trish~~

Interesting insight into DNA... and yes we share allot of the same DNA with many things on this planet, yet still humans are very much different from a bannana... and in the end even a Monkey for which was are almost identical... yet a monkey didn't make fire... didn't write Shakespeare... etc.

So to me the question is less about the 'reality or consciousness' of molecules, but about the relativity of our existence in this universe, i.e. even DNA is relative to what we see as the same and what we can fathom as different - so yes, to me definately a representation of nature's consciousness, not reality... because reality is purely subjective.

Yes, I too enjoyed this post. I think when Deepak ask these questions, he is doing so as a teacher to cause us to think by sharing his wise thoughts.

"Are molecules the real thing, or are they just representations of intelligence in the consciousness of Nature?" Deepak per Mieke as I don't have time to go back and listen, but it sounds like what I remembered and what struck me the most too.

So I like Deepak's take on it, especially the part of She or Nature being protective of Her creation, which is why I think that we cannot go in and mess it up with all these changes just for fun and to say we are Nature, as in knowing 100% about her, as well as creating like her. Because we are not, we are trying to re-create and destroy what She created and is holding on to. When She is ready to change, She will and She will do it right. I think if we are ever allowed to change Nature, it will have to be done as Nature Herself would do it and not be done wrong or abused and be for the good of Nature. Anyway, it sounds like Deepak knows a lot about Her. :-) And I've learned something new today, as to why the DK posts bothered me about those experiments that he shared.

Love, Char

Deepak...I love you....but....you suggested to read I am That...and I did. I don't get why you would refer a book that teaches to go beyond consciousness...but you keep persisting in going back to consciousness.

Consciousness to me and what I got from Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj's teachings is duality...not unity.

So the answer to your question "Are molecules the real thing, or are they just representations of intelligence in the consciousness of Nature?" I say...no molecules are not the "real thing" (meaning the absolute/awareness/to me God) and they also are not representations of intelligence...but of ignorance (innocent of course).

Aloha Deepak

Is man peeling the banana or is the banana peeling man? I would imagine it depends on identification of being a molecule or identifying with being consciousness, we can't have one without the other .. it would have to be both while each being the center point of the other. love patty

Aloha Deepak

Is man peeling the banana or is the banana peeling man? I would imagine it depends on identification of being a molecule or identifying with being consciousness, we can't have one without the other .. it would have to be both while each being the center point of the other. love patty

The fact that the world’s scientists, politicians, and academics, are not even able to eliminate malnutrition and nutritional deficiencies in the developed countries, demonstrates that they are not competent and could possibly lack the integrity to be participating in such an endeavor. Consumer ignorance resulting from a lack of an applied effort to increase their intelligence is also at fault, this creates a vulnerability when the consumers outsource their thinking and analysis to others becoming dependant on third parties for information..

That we have the intelligence and knowledge to eliminative the majority of disease and it is not being applied tells us much about the intentions, with some exceptions of those we look to for health guidance and services. The optimum approach to disease is not the most profitable for the disease industry. This is why I propose that we establish a health industry. The Chinese once had a system where people paid the doctor to keep them healthy; if they got sick the health practitioners did not get paid.

Investors should take note and start to direct investment flows to the new industry. The future is advanced diagnostics and biochemical enhancement in conjunction with physical injury repair.

Rather than spending money on this genetic tampering research and creating unnecessary issues and risks we should be focused on the low profit, non-proprietary natural holistic natural approach to health. This clearly shows that their intent does not have the customer’s benefit as first priority but a priority second to profit.

The same pseudo scientists that would tell the world body that bat ears, with their complex sonar enabling structure were the result of accidental mutation are the ones that would entertain this flawed idea. Or what about the spider’s web spinning apparatus, which from a systems design perspective would have required several hundred random mutations to occur at once. Apparently nature did by accident what man with all his intelligence and intention is not yet able to do on purpose. Some are getting close in some cases, with a lot of struggle, in fact they are trying to duplicate the design of the bats ear it is so good.

Of course nature is perfect genius and the virgin planet a paradise and man with his flawed interpretation of the universe and nature spoiled the paradise. There was and is nothing needing to be fixed that is inherent in nature so one adapts to nature and fits into the grand design, it is not for one to tamper with that which it cannot comprehensively comprehend.

I remember a story from my youth that pigs were the result of a failed genetic experiment by a previous civilization I imagine it is possible since we are now on that threshold unfortunately with ignorance and not wisdom.

As you all may know I am challenging evolutionary theory on several fronts, one being that DNA did not actually evolve but started out whole, capable of producing all forms of life. I do not seem to be able to find evidence that DNA has evolved. The scientists have been looking at the output as having evolved, yet the core self programming architecture has not, which totally alters current perspectives about evolution and raises all sort of new questions.

Or course at the next level we realize that if all things tangible arise from the intangible then the actual source of the form and structure is beyond the direct reach of our instruments and understanding. In fact out instruments are born from that which we would try to measure and an instrument cannot measure itself or the source that generates it’s own existence. We can only see the effects of the processes at the quantum level as is the case with the atom. We have never actually seen an atom and but only detected a grouping of electrons associated with the concept of the atom. This data about the atom being returned by an electron tunneling microscope which requires the “sensor” electrons to jump the gap into the intangible and return the data as fluctuations of energy.

Scientists used the appendix as an example of a useless component that proved an evolution void of intelligence, the appendage having formed by accident without purpose, and used this as an argument against intelligence being involved in evolution. Yet I figured out the purpose for the appendix which the fancy funded entities had been unable to do, although one has now concurred that this may very well be the purpose of this accidental appendage. I suspect this is mostly because I have a different perspective and understanding, not to mention different intentions than most set by profit driven management. It was like the guy that discovered that ulcers were actually being caused by a pathogen which everyone first scoffed at and ridiculed.

In this book I am publishing and as I have mentioned here before I am putting forth the theory that science has discovered consciousness using quantum theory based math and they labeled it virtual particles, virtual particles being intangible. Which goes back to my reframing the argument between the material and spirit as one of whether the tangible gives rise to the intangible or vice versa, the answer most probable being the intangible giving rise to the tangible. Orthodox scientists would have us believe that the tangible gives rise to the intangible. Of course the scientists can also correctly argue we have simply labeled some quantum realm phenomena as spirit, in other words the same thing having different labels with their associated connotations. Different symbology same target.

Also I am not insinuating that some omnipotent linear consciousness being created the universe, more like a superluminal non-linear consciousness of infinite nature, that produces linear consciousness of a finite nature to experience it’s dynamic creation from multiple points of view, which occurs in real time and does not require a timeline of cause and effect of any amount of duration longer than One Planck time. Yet one could not want to rule out extraterrestrial engineering of some sort or that we are actually extraterrestrials doing a galactic social experiment, or perhaps have simply forgot our origin.

The obvious question is if we were engineered by extraterrestrials then what engineered the extraterrestrials? The answer is that because all the processing occurs at an intangible level there is no need for anything other than the math to exist for any state of the universe to be experienced by consciousness. Cause and effect chains do not technically need to have been actualized or experienced; they only need to have been calculated, to produce a resulting effect.

Such that things can exist without being created and things can exist having been created.

Or something like that…

Dear Trish, you ask:

"Do scientists who are manipulating molecular matter have any experience with the miraculous power of nature?"
and
"Did scientists experiment with our molecular matter somewhere along the line and interfere with nature's evolution?"

I'd like to ask you- are scientists something other than nature?

Dear Dr. Chopra,

You mention the Unity that is found in Nature's Order. Some fascinating information has recently come to my attention. I believe that it is relevant to the Unity in Nature of which you speak. The author of the information I wish to share is John Michell. He has studied the Greek cabala, sacred geometry and the traditions of the ancient world. He offers very thought provoking insights about long hidden knowledge.

The Greek "Science of Gematria" was related to music. The numerical canon which governed it was the same as that which governed sacred music and sacred words. All this is based on harmonics. There is sacred music and there are sacred words which are used for invocations, the efficiency of which depend on pitch and the vibrational frequency of sound. The number 1746 is an especially significant example of the information contained within the numerical canon of the Gematria. The number 1746 represents the SPIRIT OF THE WORLD. This number is the Union of 666 and 1080 and it comprises the basis of the life essence.

The sum of 666 and 1080 (1746) represents 'fusion'. It means the FRUITFUL UNION BETWEEN THE TWO OPPOSITE PRINCIPLES IN NATURE. The 666 signifies the positive or active charge of Solar Energy, associated with the rule of tyrant or emperor. This is the Solar Principle of rational intellect (left brain). Any reference to 666 is always to the "yang" side of nature (masculine). The 1080 signifies the opposite and complementary principle in nature; its negative, receptive side. This number is associated with the Moon and with intuition and prophecy (right brain). Any reference to 1080 is always to the "yin" side of nature (feminine).

Here are some examples of the incorporation of these numbers in scripture and in architecture: We are all familiar with the message given by Jesus as found in Matthew 17:20:..."If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you". The Gematrian numbers for the letters in "a grain of mustard seed" amount to the sum of 1746.

Also, everyone is most familiar with the 666 as a reference to the "Mark of the Beast". Isn't this odd considering the actual traditional meaning of the 666? Is it within the realm of possibility that the original meaning could have been obscured during the translation of writings from Greek to Latin? Whether this could have happened by design or by accident is quite another matter. It is rather curious , however, that since the 666 symbolizes the masculine energies and the rule by tyrant or emperor - that this definition of 666 changed significantly enough to remove its actual reference to any masculine ruling bodies that were in actual existence at that time.

The ideal of the SPIRIT OF THE WORLD or the 'fusion' (Unity) of the two opposite principles in nature has been ignored or abandoned by religious practitioners and teachers of the present. This ideal was of supreme importance to the teachers of wisdom in the past. I believe that this knowledge is being rediscovered as we move forward on our journey towards a higher consciousness.

Now to the reference to the 1746 ('fusion') as it is incorporated within the architectural design of the Great Pyramid. This was accomplished using the sacred geometry form of the Vesica Pisces. The sacred geometry of the Vesica Pisces represents a state of perfect equilibrium between two equal forces. The plan of the Great Pyramid incorporates the use of a Vesica Pisces of the same height as that of the pyramid (481 ft.); the diameter of each of the two circles which form the Vesica Pisces is equal to that number divided by half of the square root of 3 or 555.5 ft., and the circumference of each circle is therefore, 1746 ft.. The two circles of 1746 ft. in circumference (intersected at the Great Pyramid's tip and at the center of its base) take the form of a magnetic field, illustrating a feature of the Pyramid which belongs to it by tradition; its magnetic quality.

So, here again the 1746 or number of the SPIRIT OF THE WORLD (Unity) is used for the 'fusion' of Vibrational Principles of Natural Order to Unify the Life Essence and thereby optimize energy frequencies.

This is a classic example of the incorporation of dual polarity balance (Unity) for the realization of optimum harmonic resonance.

Best Wishes,

"Betsy" S.

When will Richard ever enlighten us to the purpose of the appendix? Most amazing post to consider apendix and ulcers with relationship to intelligence and molecules.

And I learned a lot also from Betsy S for her vivid and interesting explanation of the mark of the beast, number 666, a symbol for tyrants.

I appreciated the reference to the spider and its web by Richard Thomas, and wondered at anyone who would believe that an extraterrestrial actually is who is behind the giant squid, the flamigoes of Florida, and the great humpback whale. What kind of creator envisioned all this so that we as mankind can eventually discover it to try to fathom the depths of the mind that placed it amongst us.

When the mongols were crushed by elephants thousands of years ago, who then even knew of the gaint squid? What a shock the elephant was to all of them....

It just strikes my funny bone that Deepak Chopra is concerned about intelligence in nature! Especially with molecules.

Life itself is simply discovery, and then judgements and conclusions come about due to each and every new generation.

Do people of India truly believe in transmigration? Or will that belief also change as each and every passing generation discovers and learns new and more pithy truths?

The appendix seems to function as an incubator for beneficial bacteria that the body has a symbiotic relationship with, some of them actually remote signaling functions that alter cellular processing.

Based on even newer data the appendix may actually condition or program the bacteria.

Note that in my early writings and in Infinite Play bacteria are considered to be advanced engineered nanotechnology not some random accidental life form.

Today there was a very rare meeting that took place around me.

Somehow I managed on the spur of the moment to bring together two people that I know who are realised beings. About the same sort of Level as Deepak Chopra is.

It was incredible to wittness this meeting because neither of these people had ever met before and knew nothing of the others understanding. Yet when they began a conversation one recognised the others depth right away and I could see each of them drop the mask and the conversation that followed between them was incredible.

Part of the conversation included a similar topic to what is being discussed here except it was far more linear and without any questioning involved.

it was along these lines.

THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS ALIENS

The World and all of its content is totaly none permenant. It eats itself up all of the time.

Water that we use every day as an essential life source combined with the atmospheres has been here for millions of years. Infact every drop of water you drink was more than likely here when the first Dinosaurs roamed this planet. Even further than that the water that is here now must have had an existence prior to the Earth. So in actual fact the very stuff we are comprised of is what can be called Alien at one point.

Even further than that, similar to water the soul or the spirit that the body hangs upon has been in existence before time was even conceptualised. The soul or spirit is omnipresent infact and has existed longer than your mind can possibly grasp.

So what is Alien now?

There are no such things as Aliens there is only the .........

There is a super being that lives within. This being is the one who has been here eternaly and is watching and learning all of the time. It is the real self and is both an Alien and a Terrestial being at teh same time. Because it is in this world but not of it.

Love

Simon xx

I can not answer that question, by the way you ask, but I will tell you how to get it for yourself.

Open Eye meditation;

Sit outside
stare at the blue sky
till you can see
the cells in your eyes
moving about..
Not sure if there my cells or life cells,
Try it, its cool.. I Told Jordan about it, and she screamed! That happens to me too! you can even play with these little bundles of energy. I took some in my hand, and blew! and alas there was a white butterfly.

Fun!

Dear Dr. Chopra,

Your question is, "Are molecules representations of Intelligence in the Conscousness of Nature?".

The Universal Creative Force organizes in three forms to compose matter. These are electrons, atoms and molecules. The Universal Creative Force constantly maintains its Duality of Nature (positive and negative polarities). When two opposite polarities meet, the manifestation is caused by the power which is created by the blending of the two into one force.

The dual qualities represent two points of a triangle and their meeting point or manifestation is the third point of the triangle.

Yes, molecules are representations of Intelligence in the Consciousness of Nature.

Best Wishes,

"Betsy" S.