Thank you Avtar! I cannot seem to overcome pain/suffering right now and then desiring to flip back to pleasure/happiness, which I do not have. That was really interesting about the what is of the body and what is of the mind, as I had not quite been able to put in into words. I've heard over and over again that bliss is beyond all this and somehow one has to rise above it. So you example of acknowledging the pain and letting it go makes sense as that's what Deepak says, but I could never grasp the why of it for some reason. I guess it's all about just knowing that we are both physical and mental, as well as emotional I would suppose. I would really like to be able to have bliss and still function as a physical and spiritual being in my current state or body right now. It seems that we can never rise above the physical body as we are in it, but maybe we can rise above the mind (the physical brain mind), i.e., such as developing our brain/mind or evolving to higher states. But then again, Jesus was able to heal the body as others have been able to do, but maybe not as dramatic as Jesus; and then we have masters who are sick or have dis-eases. It's very confusing and it would be nice for all of us to be able to heal our bodies and minds. I know, I should proof this, but I'm in a hurry and have to leave work now.

Love, Char

Great article, dear Avatar. Very to the point, simple... yet very insightful and full of wisdom....you did a good job! Ooops am I stroking your ego? LOL You pointed out correctly that temptations don't always come in ugly packages.

I don't believe in any "laws" outside of our Self. So, I know of no universal laws....But...LOL
I do know what I know...not that I know it as knowledge...as knowledge I know nothing.

And that's the (my) key to experiencing bliss : )

Yes Avtar. It's simple.

My question right now is... how does one show this to someone who doesn't yet see it? I found that for me, the easiest way is tohelp them into the experience rather than explaining it. But everything belongs together, both the experience and the intellectual understanding of it.

Thank you for doing a great job with explaining.

Oh Avtar, you are a pain, but I like you and am pleased to read you again.
Ed.

North winds blow aches by
Creaking bones and popping joints
Bliss weather's forecast

'' Evil is often (mis)understood as the root cause of pain and suffering, which are nothing but symptoms of the ego disease.''

'' A miserable person makes others feel relatively happier. A happier person, on the other hand, turns off people by making them feel relatively more miserable and thus hurting their egos.''

What ? ? ?

There is an alternative way to view ego in relation to the overall Cosmic Design, as a part of the perfectly healthy, moreover universal scenario, protected by the copyrights and owned by the Author.

What you mean Avtar, when speaking of human weakness, which lays at the core of egocentricity and selfishness, is a misapprehension of reality, whereby the ignorant soul perceives himself as the body, an exclusive phenomena outside of the rest of the environment. It is an identification with the experiences provided by the organs of perception to be blamed for the errors committed by the deluded.

The identification with only what is considered to be ''mine'': my family, my tribe, my nation etc. leads to the fragmentation in proportion to the degree to which these concepts are experienced by the individual.

When in fact it's nothing but a temporary hallucination, exemplified in the thinking: '' only this finger is mine, while other fingers on the same hand are not''.

Blinded by this attitude, we go on through life chopping off ''our own'' limbs and heads, only to lament at the sight of the mutilated body.

Going back to what is the Ego ?

Would you call the nurturing atmosphere of the Earth or the life-giving light of the Sun an ego trip? Certainly not. Those qualities are rooted in the unique expressive potential based on the ahamkara principle, assigned to them in their evolutionary pattern to reflect and sustain the Whole.

Perhaps in order to go beyond the limitations imposed by the individual ego (ahamkara), would be helpful to understand its purpose in the working of the universal mechanisms.

When, what has been considered, the enemy number one is understood it turns into most powerful allay.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, which isn't perfect already in this World. The imperfection lays in misapprehension of the parts to the Whole.

Jai Guru Dev

igor

Igor, you are most wonderfully alive. Long may that be.

Igor, there are three questionmarks in your post. That makes me wonder if you see anything wrong with Avtar's perspective. Do you?

The ego cannot perceive a whole world. It isn't a fault, it is a gift, a playful gift of hide and seek. But sometimes the wholeness is so hidden that it leads to di-ease... to a life without ease. Then maybe we can call it the ego disease :)

I have a craving to eat chocolate cake. The craving I guess is suffering. I am not able to stand for long and end up eating the cake. This brings temporary pleasure but also brings guilt which is again suffering.

Now in this scenario, I guess "Eating of the cake" is symptom of the disease, that is "craving". The "guilt" is a symptom of another disease that is "shoulds of my ego". So to eliminate suffering from this situation, I need to let go of the craving. But craving is not something I have control on. I can control myself from "Eating the cake", but that would be suppressing the symptom. The disease "craving" is still there. So the situation is hopeless ?

Ed, thank you kind soul.

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Aurora,

There is nothing wrong with Avtar's perspective. My comment, # 6 is self-evident in an attempt to introduce another way of looking at the phenomena. I don't know if you've read my previous comments to Avtar's & Deepak's posts where I've shared a somewhat different perspective on what ego is and its place in the process of self-realization.

Ego is a quality of consciousness, just like mind or intellect, though it subtler than the both, according to the Samkhya school of Indian philosophy. Ego ( Ahamkara ) is a quality and a principal responsible for the individuation of the Universal Mind ( Mahat ). Aham is the Universal principal responsible for the myriad of expressions.

It is a curious situation when Aham is found to be the reason behind the suffering. It is true ego binds the soul to the experiences undergone in the body thus producing the cycle of action and reaction ( the wheel of Samsara ).

Yet the real problem is not the ego itself, but the process of identification which binds the actor to the fruits of his actions.

Man is the reflection of the Universe, from the subtlest energies to the combination of the gross elements. Everything in human physiology is perfectly arranged in a sequential order of the corresponding qualities. Each energetic layer governs a particular function, from the subtlest layer of pure bliss to the gross level of cells and organs, which together goes to make the experience of being living in the Being.

To single out one of its components, as the reason for the problem in life, is to create a sense of disharmony in the way the universe works.

Do we accuse the sense of sight for seeing ? Do we cut our tongue off for experiencing the multitude of mixture of the five elements, known as the sense of taste ?

Is the Sun to be blamed for the skin cancer it rays may cause ?

I am just addressing some of the issues inviting the participants to examine what is ego, rather than carrying on repeating all too old axiom.

It is true, my own platform is based on the understanding of the ego phenomena from the point of view of Kashmir Shaiva Tantra. With its approach to the experiencing rather than articulating what stands as a barrier to total freedom and total joy. Where the ego, as Aham is seen as the utmost expression of the Absolute, in the saying: ''Shivoham'' ( I am Shiva ). Interestingly it resounds with the Vedantic mahavakya: Aham Brahmasmi ( I am Totality ).

Yet, my message here is to use the radical or the paradoxical method.

Jai Guru Dev

Ed, thank you kind soul.

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Aurora,

There is nothing wrong with Avtar's perspective. My comment, # 6 is self-evident in an attempt to introduce another way of looking at the phenomena. I don't know if you've read my previous comments to Avtar's & Deepak's posts where I've shared a somewhat different perspective on what ego is and its place in the process of self-realization.

Ego is a quality of consciousness, just like mind or intellect, though it subtler than the both, according to the Samkhya school of Indian philosophy. Ego ( Ahamkara ) is a quality and a principal responsible for the individuation of the Universal Mind ( Mahat ). Aham is the Universal principal responsible for the myriad of expressions.

It is a curious situation when Aham is found to be the reason behind the suffering. It is true ego binds the soul to the experiences undergone in the body thus producing the cycle of action and reaction ( the wheel of Samsara ).

Yet the real problem is not the ego itself, but the process of identification which binds the actor to the fruits of his actions.

Man is the reflection of the Universe, from the subtlest energies to the combination of the gross elements. Everything in human physiology is perfectly arranged in a sequential order of the corresponding qualities. Each energetic layer governs a particular function, from the subtlest layer of pure bliss to the gross level of cells and organs, which together goes to make the experience of being living in the Being.

To single out one of its components, as the reason for the problem in life, is to create a sense of disharmony in the way the universe works.

Do we accuse the sense of sight for seeing ? Do we cut our tongue off for experiencing the multitude of mixture of the five elements, known as the sense of taste ?

Is the Sun to be blamed for the skin cancer it rays may cause ?

I am just addressing some of the issues inviting the participants to examine what is ego, rather than carrying on repeating all too old axiom.

It is true, my own platform is based on the understanding of the ego phenomena from the point of view of Kashmir Shaiva Tantra. With its approach to the experiencing rather than articulating what stands as a barrier to total freedom and total joy. Where the ego, as Aham is seen as the utmost expression of the Absolute, in the saying: ''Shivoham'' ( I am Shiva ). Interestingly it resounds with the Vedantic mahavakya: Aham Brahmasmi ( I am Totality ).

Yet, my message here is to use the radical or the paradoxical method.

Jai Guru Dev

Hi Igor,

“Yet the real problem is not the ego itself, but the process of identification which binds the actor to the fruits of his actions.”

I think what is meant by the word ego is anything that causes you to identify with the body and mind. So, in reality it’s a broad brush stroke, which includes the body and mind in combination with the world of experiences. Your both talking about the same thing, a mistaken identity, which binds one to the temporal reality. ~Kurt~

Dear Igor,

I so enjoy all your posts and I am gaining from your insights, so I just wanted to say that, as well as hoping you stay here as long as you are able to or desire to.

Love,Char

Dear Igor,

Perspectives are only perspectives, so I’m glad that you do not see the one as more right than the other. I completely agree with you that there is nothing wrong with any of the layers of existence, there is no fault and no blame to distribute. Wholeness contains all, from Purusha and Prakruti to the soft green grass on the field.

You make a distinction between the ego and the process of identification which binds the actor to the fruits of his actions. But one could also say that Ahamkara IS the identification with an object. Ahamkara is a perspective, which cannot arise without identification. The very sense of “I am” requires an “I”, which cannot arise without identification.

The sense of “I am” cannot be a problem. As I see it, the mistake of the intellect transforming Mahad into Buddhi is not a problem. It is part of the game… the creator hiding in creation. “A problem” is a mental concept… We can play with “problems”, of course, how would we spend eternity otherwise? :)

So our “problem” arises actually when we only perceive the realm of the senses, the elements, the movement of mind... and we do not perceive this flow of Prakruti, cascading into Mahad, Ahamkara, the three gunas and so on. We do not notice how life pours out from its source creating all the layers, we cannot “wrap ourselves back” to the center, we know ourselves as the end product only. It is not a real problem, as it gives rise to the “searching”, the adventure of looking for oneself, which for me is as playful and exciting as the beginning of a love story.

There is no blame and nothing to prove... but the forgetfulness starts in the place where existence cascades into an “I”... and an “I” that takes itself seriously becomes a very serious ... problem… to itself, keeping itself occupied and existent, in relation to the identified “problem” :) By contrast, an “I” that has discovered its relative nature is free from suffering, free to heartily laugh at itself, or at least smile a little...

It seems to me that both you and Avtar are pointing to consciousness itself, which makes it irrelevant from where you’re pointing.

Thank you for the chat, good night.

Igor, I have never heard of the concept that man is the reflection of the Universe. What makes you think that?

Aurora..great post. Just one question: When you say Igor and Avtar are pointing to consciousness itself, are you referring to consciousness as the field of all possibilities or as the supreme?

Our physical body prepares us to evolve to our emotional or id body, our emotional body prepares us to evolve to our intellectual or ego body, our intellectual body prepares us to evolve to our intelligence or spiritual or superego boy, our spiritual or superego body prepares us to dissolve into the indescribable One. All are important at their place, all have to be mastered and transcended, but more important than mere bashing of any of them is the understanding of how all this process goes.

What goes on at our one individual life goes on at all small or big cycle levels.

Considering the whole of Gaia as an organsm, our clay to minerals (there is a reason to group the two)body prepares us to evolve to our plant to animals body, our plants to animals body prepares us to evolve to our apes to man body, our apes to man body prepares us to our superman's body and then to take us to dissolution. It is comparative ignorance to bash one at the cost of the other or the last rather than know the whole process and understand each's place in the bigger and bigger scheme of things and ultimately of the whole universe.

As we evolve from childhood to youth to middle age to old age,

or, in terms of knowing, as we evolve from knowing through senses to knowing through feelings to knowing through intellect to knowing through intellignece or intuition respectively,

we in fact pass through four basic forces or interactions of gravity, electromagnetism, strong and weak.

And we do so by first quantum jumping from our state of inertia to the center of gravity, to the center of electromagnetic interactions to the center of strong interactions to laslty, the cetner of weak interactions each at a time. After which we reorganise our minds and bodies there again each one at a time.

Ego is nothing but center of strong interactions in our head, just as center of gravity is approximately at our navel and center of electromagnetic interactions (emotions)is at our physical heart - or just as center of weak interactions is at our what is called spiritual heart - two digits to the right of our physical heart.

So all in the scheme.

Hello Vivian,
I wanted to tell you that I much enjoy reading your posts, and this is a good time to do that :)

To stay with the terminology of the Sankhya philosophy, I refer to Brahma, the state of pure consciousness, the unmanifested state of Purusha/Prakruti, consciousness outside of creation, your and my essence and what all wisdom traditions, all systems dscribing the unfolding of consciousness and all religions point to. There are countless ways to describe this, still we all refer to the same state which is beyond words, but not beyond experience.

Dear Harb,

And so it is :)

Love,

Mieke

Greetings to all,

Kurt,
indeed we are talking about the same thing - a mistaken identity. The only difference is the approach, for I see no reason in blaming the aspect of consciousness responsible for diversity.

I’ve ''criticised'' both Osho’s and J. Krishanmurti’s approaches as well, for their ‘’attacks’’ on the mind, in my open letters to other sidhas, a few years ago. ( Knowing well that the Masters used it as a trick to create a sense of detachment in the seeker who embarked on the path). Again I found support of my views in the teachings of Adi Shankara, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Muktananda. The great Swami wrote a book praising the mind rather than condemning it and everyone who read Shankara’s ''The Crest Jewel of Discrimination’, remembers the beautiful passages where the sage addresses the mind as the best friend, urging the mind to stay calm to allow the light of Bhirava to shine on it.

I see no reason to accuse the mind, despite of the mind’s capacity to waver and to ‘’obscure’’ the Absolute. The reasons are the ripples on the surface of the mind and the ripples come from the wind of karma. Otherwise the nature of mind is pure sattva and mind proves its worth, soon as its surface is stilled. Stilled mind gladdens the Heart, and reflects the light of pure consciousness perfectly.

Aurora,
thank you for a fruitful response. Ahamkara is not responsible for the mistaken identity, its prime responsibility is to direct and protect the individual code of the species, heavenly bodies including. From the blade of grass to the whole universe. Aham is capable of ‘’stretching’’ indefinitely. The identity on the other hand is the result of the perception ( the gamut of hearing-sensing-seeing-tasting-smelling ) which in itself rests on the level of consciousness, that’s where Harb ( # 17, 18 ) elaborated on the subject on the most profound level. With the rise of consciousness the shift in perception is as natural as it is inevitable. ‘’I-ness’’ is the first and the last principle of manifestation, from ''I am'' an atom to ''I am'' Shiva.

You might be interested to know, that Ahamkara has a special place in Ayurveda, because of its principle the cells in the body know how to distinguish between its own kind and a foreign invades. Cancer is a unique condition where the cells infected start to live at the cost of the nearby cells, and the healthy ones don’t know better than to keep supporting the deadly guest. ( I would leave it here, for other time, as it is a big theme in itself ).

End of part 1.

With Love and Joy

Jai Guru Dev

Igor,

experience tells me of a place of Beingness. That is not the same as I-ness. Existence doesn't need an "I" to exist. It needs an "I" to participate in a universe, even as an observer, because an observer has already separated from the observed.

Anyway- about Ahamkara and the cells. At one level there are cells (with their sense of individuality) and also their "invaders" (the "other"). At another level (Mahad), there is self aware intelligence orchestrating everything in a harmonious way. Mahad is beyond Ahamkara, and thus embraces both invading and invaded cells, blending their individuality into one bigger pattern. I agree, both levels are needed (not that the universe needs my agreement :) ) It is simply beautiful to observe how the universe unfolds simultaneously on many levels. On one, there is a conflict between cells, on another, there isn't.

Thanks for your post Aurora and I truly enjoy reading your too.

I discern between consciousness and what I call the Supreme/God/absolute..which I agree can not be expressed in words...so I won't try : ) But Consciousness to me is duality/the screen on which things appear.

It might only seem as a play in words...but what is the purpose of communication if words don't even apply to communicate?

Sri Nisargadatte Maharaj makes a difference between consciousness and the absolute too. He calls the absolute/totality: Awareness.

Up to the point of reading his book I thougt consciousness and awareness was the same and God beyond that.

Why I believe consciousness is not the "absolute" is that I have found my Self neither being conscious nor unconscious. That tells me that we can "rise" above consciousness and completely loose ourselves.

Only here do I find my Self being bliss.

Aurora

In order to understand this properly you need to ask a question: “On coming out from the state of absorption (Samadhi) how do you know that it was you not your neighbour who had the experience (of Unity)?”

An example when Adi Shankara had the direct experience of Being, on coming out of it (on regaining the body–consciousness), the sage declared: “I am”.

You can ask those who undergone this experience first hand, even those from this blog, Mieke, Harb, Kurt, for instance, what was their experience of that state.

From my own experience, when energy-consciousness ( Shakti) was traversing the sushumna channel, granting various experiences, it was always with the knowledge of ‘’I’’ who had the experience; whether it was:

~ Seeing (the Light);
~ Becoming (one with the Light);
~ Being (the Light);

So when coming out of the experience I knew it was my Self, including the neighbour in his peaceful sleep.

Love

igor

There are two kinds of actions and hence two kinds of knowledge.

I get 'up' - opposite to gravity - on my own in my childhood and I grow 'up' - again opposite to gravity - as if some inner/outer force - a force beyond me - made me do so.

Now there are two kinds of related knolwedge. One will tell me to get up, teach me how to get up, how to run, to jump, how to keep myself in my center of gravity while doing so and so on. In it it will be clear that it is I who will have to do it all.

The other knowledge will tell me about the process of growth/evolution of life through various phases as also that I cannot do much about this except understand it and that otherwise it will happen at its own time.

Trying to tell us that ego is the root cause for all pain etc etc and that we should transcend it and it can be done this way and that pertains to the first kind of knolwedge. Important at its level to some extent but which can do nothing in making us really transcend ego before its time.

The second kind will make us understand that it will happen with time, so dont overly worry about it, let it complete its part of the play and then our time to transcend it will automatically come. Rather we will be forced to do so.

Obviously the first kind of knowledge more often than not, especially in those whose time has yet not come, has the possibility of inculcating an absolutely undesirable sense of inferiority, especially vis-a-vis the knowledge-giver who again more often than not may himself have not transcended it, simply because if he/she would have really transcended it he/she would have also known that no amount of self-effort can make it happen before its time. One can't make a child a youth before its time and marry him to produce children.

The message may not be comprehensive but one can understand the drift. And not overly worry if one's ego for the time being does not leave him/her. Mine at least does not but I enjoy its play especially as I know that it will pass at its own time. Everything, absolutely everything is moving fast towards one and we cannot resist it even if we try.

Once a retired Professor then an organiser of a religious dera asked me, obviously to make me a follower of his ders, "Tel me, how to reach God."

I told him, "Sir, for me the question is not 'how to reach God' but "Can we resist of we want to to?"

Harb

Dear Vivian,

I think I can follow you. There is this question of semantics, but my experience is the same- there is a place where we loose the "I-ness". And it is what we are, it is our own essence. What we call it doesn't really matter.

Dear Igor,

In order to understand this properly, I cannot ask anyone but myself. Words in books, theories, other people's experiences and opinions mean nothing if not backed by knowingness coming from perception. And my perception shows the whole cascade of aspects of myself, from the fully physical to the source- Being. Being is not personal, but it cascades into a sense of "me", and it is, of course, what we are. As you said, when you came out of it, you knew it had been "you". But while in Being, there was no "I".

Indeed, when acting in the world, the sense of "I-ness" needs to exist, but it doesn't have to colour perception. "I" is more like an agreement, like something we can all continue to participate in just for the fun of it. An "I" can only exist if there is a "not I", and I agree with you, the ego can expand until it embraces the whole universe, but at that final moment it will have to let go of itself to drown in Brahma. That means, let go of the "I".

But words are just words and even experiences differ. Many of us have probably opened up to the same dimension, and that is a cause for celebration.

To "experience" anything...one has to be separated from it....you then are no longer "it" but the observer of "it". To expereince "it" is not it...but rather to be "it". No experience.... just being.

And it was soo wonderful Igor, bathing in this undescribable unconditional love, knowing that whatever you do (or not do), it is alright, it is always alright.

From that moment on I was gently pushed, having one experience after another, not always that pleasant but always there was the understanding, this you have to learn exactly at this point in your life :)

As I am growing older bliss is coming into my life ever so often and am very grateful for it.
But not only bliss, creativity in its broadest sense is given to me, as far as my possibilities reach.

I am at ease with the little things in life, I do not expect anything and I receive everything!

Lots of love and bliss to all here,

Mieke

Continued from # 11 & # 21

Vivian,

‘’Whatever can be found in Universe can be found in man, whatever is found in man can be found in Universe’’. This is the tantric answer to your question on whether man is reflection of Cosmos. In fact to do the justice one can restate it: ‘’Universe is the reflection of Man’’. So that the relationship is given its full stature.

So we’ve got: Man is the reflection of Universe is reflection of Man. One is The inverted version of the other, mutually dependable and interconnected on the most infinite level (un)imaginable. Your thoughts as well as mine have as much influence on Universe as Universe influences our own minds. When me and you think, we don’t just think we give Universe a kick. A kick to the certain direction. The sum total of all the kicks is what sets Universe in motion. No I am not kidding. What’s mote amazing, there is no beginning and no end to when the kicking has started and when it will end.

Char,

Thank you very much for such a welcoming response. It is truly heart warming and deeply touching to read your words. God Bless.

Harb,

Thank you for taking the discussion to that level. You are the one who understood it all and took it to the logical conclusion, with the most beautiful exposition. I would have loved to enter a dialogue only on that level, which to me is the ultimate level of knowledge after which the knowledge itself terminates, just as Vedanta brings the end to the Vedas, yet it would have been inconsistent with the original scheme of things of my original entry.

Your exposition reminded me of what Rumi brought in his Mathnawi-a-Manawi, the soul's trajectory through mineral-plant-animal-human-divine planes of existence, and in some ways it reflected the science of Alchemy with its roots in Taoism and early Tantra.

I am looking forward to exploring the theme and venturing further into the beauty of the Labyrinth… Mieke’s Wise and gentle heart.

But for now I must go... to the garden, to prune the Roses...

Love & Bliss

igor

Yes Aurora...I agree with you 100% there is absolutly no expereince.

What I see is that some are having an experience of bliss...without actually "popping" out completly....I don't understand how that is possible.

.....Or maybe they are "out" but simply don't know it?

Hey Igor,

The ego is the personal reflection of the mind, it is in the mind. When the mind is active it reflects ones personal agenda out of habit, because its been trained to do that, and that’s all it knows. When true spirituality is introduced the mind starts its reprogramming to weed out the personal agenda, but the busy mind is relentless and stealthy in hiding its identification to the body in subtle ways. It just doesn’t give up or give in to the demands of its own mind, and stealthily falls back to its own habitual rant. In thoughtless meditating the mind is seen as the culprit or alpha leader that is temporarily locked out of the house (if you will) in order to reestablish the egoless identity. If the mind is seen as a friend in our spiritual pursuits it would be allowed the freedom to express itself, however if the imprints remain imbedded in the mind results are nonexistent. The only friend one has on the serious aspirants path is consciousness, which has no agenda, is pure, formless, and colorless and is our inner guru. The mind/ego are attached to each other like glue until realization dawns, and then the mind becomes your friend because you are able to control it, after loosing your identity to it. Thoughtless meditating is to relinquish your attachment to the mind which is the whole purpose of meditating and spirituality. If the mind is your friend we wouldn’t have all these techniques to appose it. ~Kurt~

It's possible that they don't know it, at least not in so many words, Vivian :) We are all popping out all the time (more like popping in), but many know nothing of the out and notice only the in. And the bliss increases in intensity all the time when we get close, while the nervous system adapts.
Nice talking with you :)

Nice talking to you too Aurora.

Great explaination Kurt(except the usage of the word consciousness LOL)

My question...can the mind be a vehicle through which the divine is epressed once it's empty?

Yes

Vivian,

Consciousness is the wavy energy circulating within the body, which the thoughtless mind or Awareness observes in meditation.

Thanks for your post Kurt, but in a still mind...nothing is observed.

I agree that consciousness is energy.....which can be observed...but we are beyond.

When the mind is an inactive attention getter Awareness then observes the free flowing consciousness within. Consciousness is then used as a weapon against the mind by you becoming Aware of it, it holds your attention thus depriving the mind of the attention it needs, which absorbs the subtle energy consciousness brings to the table. The still mind in the Samadhi state is when consciousness is no longer observed, but until then there is the observer and the observed. You wait there until the observer and the observed unite as one in the Samadhi state.

We are beyond those attributes, but until we go beyond (Realization) those attributes are present and active, and we have to work at separating Awareness from those attributes. ~Kurt~

Dear Aurora, Vivian and Kurt,

Thank you for your sweet comments

Love

Ego isn't a thing. The term (concept) is an
abstract behavior which is reflection of
the illusion of separation.
The behavior itself vanishes instantly in
The Light of Primordial (Pure) Being.
Primordial vibration (prana) is The Unmanifested Absolutes tendency to express itself in an infinity of forms and phenomena.
The mind's experience in the separation (ego) consciousness is one of identification with the forms and phenomena which are as transitory shadows. This occurs when the (individual) mind
lacks the radiance of the absolute at it's source.
The Light (radiance) of Pure Being not only enlightens what is perceived of as (your) consciousness but because it's nature is omnipresent it is perceived everywhere.
As in Igor's description.
In this state of awareness all conceptual barriers
disintegrate into the wholeness of Brahman.
You are The Creation of The Universe.
Manifest and Unmanifest.
All dualities instantly vanish into Oneness.
Todd

Great post Master Kurt! LOL I have no more questions : )

And thank you Igor and everyone here for being kind, open minded and patient : )

I enjoy reading all posts. I have learned more about "me" from these conversations than from any book/teacher "out there".

Igor, now ours is a case of "when heart speaks to heart what is there to say?" in the words of Sri Ramana Maharshi.

Just to tell you that some time back we wrote around 100 threads around the poem "I died as a Mineral" of Rumi. Just check the following two threads if you are interested.

http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2007/01/maulana_rumi_ti.html

http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2007/01/unified_force_s.html

All the Best, Harb

The Light of The Absolute Truth
(Bliss Consciousness)
outshines (all) identification with experience.
Even though this Cosmic Awareness has the capacity to experience an object or phenomena the
true nature of the form is recognized.
Deep karmic impressions aren't left behind in The Field creating endless cycles of experience, forms and phenomena.
The greatest experience is like darkness in
The Light of Absolute Being
Todd

"When heart speaks to heart what is there to say?" Nothing

But isn't it great to be in the silence together?

I love all of you/me equally....

Thanks for the great conversations, with love and kudos to the open mindedness and sharp intellect everyone has cultivated. ~Kurt~

That's it Harb, nothing to say, when the Heartbeat is in unison.

I'll catch the thread tomorrow, with great joy. Thank you.

With Love

igor

Dear Harb,

You made me go back in time with both of those links in your post #43 :)

This year is the year of Truth for the large Hadron Collider in Cern!

I recently saw a television interview with one of the scientists there.

Let me quote one line from the past in our discussions there:

"The European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) is inaugurating the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in early 2007 with a view to answer a sub-section of the gamut of queries you raise."

This gamut of queries will probably be answered in the course of this year.

What a paradox that they had to build a super large medium to be able to (probably) find the smallest particle in the Universe :).

When they really do, new horizons will appear for sure.

But, as always: first they are known from the inside because otherwise they would not be looking so desperately for that small particle? They already (G)Know it is there!

Well lets just wait and see........

Love, Mieke

# 40, # 44,

Todd, I was genuinely moved by your spontaneous and passionate response. It is immediate and simple, just like the experience itself, reflected through your own words:

''The Light (radiance) of Pure Being not only enlightens what is perceived of as (your) consciousness but because it's nature is omnipresent it is perceived everywhere.''

And I agree with your second comment. On the supremacy of the Light of Being. If you don't mind I'll slightly restate it here:

In the Light of Pure Consciousness all experiences are illumined and paled at once.

With Love

igor

Todd, when the truth of your post is sooo obvious one even finds it difficult to comment on it. If on a shiny hot day one says that "look the sun is in the sky", more than words the best one likes to respond is with just a silent nod.

Thank you Igor, for adding a certain weight/ maturity to the blog.

Harb