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Aamir...is full of shit!

Suchitra Krishnamoorthi - June 20, 2008

Everybody has a right to tell a story, make a movie etc. I agree. Good bad ugly pretty long short whatever. I agree. Even if the good guy has to die as there is no place for him in this bad bad world.(even though i dont agree) Even if the story is somebody elses. Even if they want to drag a half hour plot into a two hour film. Even if the directors eye sees nothing but filth and squalor, shit and vomit which he tries to pass off as art. Even if they want to pump it with clichés and the script is full of gaping holes. Even if they are making a copy and not revealing the source.
Cavite anyone?

I have just come out of watching Aamir a small budget recently released Hindi film. Inspite of my initial reluctance to see a grim oft told story about a man on the run from a faceless enemy, I went anyway. Because the critics in India have been raving about it and a friend persuaded me to. Now I wish I hadn’t, because I am feeling physically ill.

My heart is hammering, my nostrils are twitching, my head is pounding and I think I am going to throw up. Not because the story or the performances moved me in any extraordinary way-(though the lead actor Rajeev Khandelwal was very good I admit) but because I am still trying to understand the whole point of the story. Probably aimed at the international film festival circuit I thought, going by the real, hard hitting style of the opening credits…but certainly the makers couldn’t be so careless? Because it is a direct rip off of Cavite, the south east asian film released a few years ago, directed by Ian Gamazon, and Neill Dela Llana. Anybody familiar with cinemas of the world will automatically catch on to that. But then the makers had everyone fooled…who have been raving about the film giving it a 4 star rating. Who would know anything about a low budget indie type thriller, that too from Malaysia?or is it Phillipines? Certainly not the Indian film critic and most certainly not the Indian public.

The visual impact was so strong I felt like I was sitting in the middle of a fly infested ‘filled- to- the- brim- with- shit’ toilet, my flesh being ripped to bits by all the meat cleaving and butchery on screen, that dominated about 75% of the visuals in the film. But what was the story? Who was this guy? Why was he chosen? What connection did he have with the terrorist outfit other than the fact that he too was Muslim? That too foreign returned? Did his name Aamir-which means leader- point him towards his tragic destiny? And so what was the point? Why the fascination with feacal matter? And violence? And hatred? To what end? To fill peoples minds with images of filth and vomit and hopelessness?

It didn’t provoke any thought or conflict or emotion in me other than revulsion-I left the theatre screaming at the usher that the whole theatre was smelling like an infected toilet and he better clean it up before the next show if he didn’t want people to be ill and die. He didn’t seem surprised at all by my rants, almost like he had heard it at some of the earlier screenings of the film. Accustomed to the negativity rising in the people exiting the theatre after watching Aamir.

I am surprised no religious group has objected to the ghastly portrayal of their community that propounds the oft used misplaced theory going around the world that every terrorist is a Muslim and that every Muslim is potentially on his way to being a terrorist. Whether he wants to be or not. Whether forced by the plight of his community or by other extraneous circumstances such as shown in the film (the cliché of the main protagonists family being kidnapped and under threat from a head honcho Muslim terrorist!) Whether or not he gives up his life to save others, the bottom line is that he is Muslim and therefore must be a terrorist as the world declares him to be at the end of the film. That all his broadmindedness and education and liberal minded determination cannot save him, his family or uplift his community. A community that is shown as being steeped in the misery of their fatalism and self perceived ostracism, without hope, without succour, without joy.

If this is the face of new wave Indian cinema, thanks but NO THANKS! Give me a ‘keep your brains at home’ David Dhawan comedy or a banal Farah Khan escapist entertainer any day. Or even a Sanjay Gupta film…at least he has the guts to admit he is ‘inspired’ or is ‘lifting a foreign film and his visual sense is stunning.

Gotta go now and find some incense sticks to wipe out the stench that I’ve carried home from the cinema hall with me. Also need to find some headache medicine…Uff!

I Want my money back,
I want my precious time back
And most of all I want my positivity and optimism back which this film has violently sucked out of me.


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Posted by Suchitra Krishnamoorthi at June 20, 2008 12:05 AM

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Over 90% of all Bollywood movies are rip-off of Hollywood and East Asian movies. And they do it so bad. Most movies have story lines and screen play rip offs from two or more movies -- copying even camera angles and dialogue -- and they come out real bad.

Adaptations are fine, like say Ramu's Sarkar/Raj inspired by The God Father.

Copying foreign films has become the easiest way to make money. I don't think most filmmakers are in to get awards for originality as their primary motivation.


But who cares if the movie is a shameless copy of some foreign language film that I haven't seen; if it's good, I watch it.

But people who are credited for the story and screen play don't desrve any awards. Maybe the filmmakers should be credited for being astute copy artists if the film does good business.


This movie rip-off reminds me of the Bollywood movie 'Zinda' which was a copy of the critically acclaimed South Korean movie 'Old Boy' (one of my favorite movies.)

Oldboy (2003)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364569/

Zinda (2006)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0488906/



Here's an interesting review by Aniruddha Basu:

"Aamir is the latest entry from Bollywood’s parallel lane, one that draws inspiration from foreign art house hits and repackages them for our new breed of discerning desi audience. Bheja Fry did it, and did it well. Even earlier Zinda tried to bring the controversial Korean thriller Oldboy to the Indian screen, with mixed results. And now Aamir, inspired from a Phillipino hit Cavite, manages to stumble further ahead.

[...]

Given the rave reviews that Aamir received it is easy to believe that the film is a groundbreaking effort. Not really. In fact it is a mostly serviceable thriller that eventually bites off more than it can chew. Debutant director Raj Kumar Gupta has created a Mumbai that is compelling and easy to recognize, but populated it with characters who behave so abnormally that they possibly cannot exist outside the four walls of a movie screen. In fact, with the exception of the villain, ( a fundamentalist who, over phone conversations, tries to “reason” with our hero into becoming a jihadi), almost all the other major characters are either unnatural or simply unbelievable.

[...]

Having said that, one must applaud the director for showcasing what many would term the “real” Mumbai, a city of grime, slime and filth....

[...]

Aamir is not a complete washout. It’s an interesting effort that deals with a plausible and frightening premise. But Aamir will probably go down as a missed opportunity, given that the treatment does not match up to the film’s powerful premise."

Full review at
http://dearcinema.com/aamir-a-missed-opportunity/

Gaurav Malani of The Economic times writes:

"Aamir is opulent on ideation but is not as rich on execution and most importantly culmination."

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ET_Cetera/Aamir_Movie_Review/articleshow/3101951.cms

I don't think a movie is worth getting so upset over....

come on at the end of the day it is not real.


is anything really real?


Love

Simon xx

Aloha Suchitra and Everyone

Movies are like the I Ching or Tarot... it is as Deepak Chopra shares about time, when you leave the movie is still with you. Time is the movement of thought that separates. Time has no time for death:) When I see a movie and I am asking myself why am I watching this or what was that all about? Within 24 hours I get a greater view... for again it is like throwing the sticks or coin, new possibilities are present that I couldn't see before. A great movie was "No Country for Old Men."

Still today I am understanding a whole new picture about the drug cartel and the Mexican boarder and how the federal government plays a part but artist are saying more... click my name to watch Drew Carey. I have to watch the demoralization of my Clients who have to use pain medication for life maintaining conditions. And it makes me question.

love patty

Things will drag you in if you allow them to....


The area where I grew up was full of violence and crime. When I was young I could sense that lifestyle pulling on me and the mentality that was all around me trying to envelope me like it had some of my friends.

If you consider the information we allow into our space from things like movies or things we have read and then allow them to influence the way we see the world then we are extremely weak minded.

It's all pretend, just see it for what it really is and then you will understand that none of it really has anything to do with you at all.

It is just stuff that is happening, Allow it to happen outside of yourself not within.


Love

Simon xx

Aloha Simon

I agree allowing is very important, for through allowing a shift happens. It is like the Chinese woven bamboo finger puzzle. You place both fingers in at opposite ends of the woven tube and when you try to pull a finger out the bamboo tightens. It is only when you allow, do your fingers come out.

Sometimes we have choices before or after, in watching a film that is upsetting as a loved one is dying, I fall in love with all my Clients, and I remember I have chosen this situation I have taken responsibility for where my finger is pointing. Then my other finger is no longer pointing out ward, it is pointing at the other finger... the energy shifts. The presence becomes illuminated.

Movies are a great way to get out of everyday situations, where there is a beginning, middle and end, and within the watcher they start to see beginnings, middles and ends to their own life situation. As you are right it is inside out, but the dragging in is sometimes the only way you will go within.... well with me that is:) my life was a nightmare, movies are a wonderful way to review how we live in a Light Box.

love to see you posting, love patty

Suchitra,
You hit a nerve with me! Looks like you and I share a common nerve! A movie IS worth getting this upset over. Our body, in loving relationship with its mind and heart, responds and we listen, we hear and we act. Something isn't working here. Something is out of synch.

I walked out of the movie Pan's Labyrinth years ago because it was too gruesome and didn't need to be. I protect my body and my psyche. I choose the quality of "food" I feed my senses. Does this make me out-of-synch with this world I live in?

Out of balance dark negativity that disrespects life through so many channels and mediums is not okay. It's time to say "Enough!" It's time to protest with one collective voice. And if this is to be led by a feminine force so be it.

It's the same emotion I feel about trees that are treated as objects, soil that is infested with toxins as well as our rivers and air. It's all pollution. Pollute the outer -- and the inner. Pollute it all! Is this okay? Wake up! Speak up! Stand up!

What would cleanliness look like, taste like, smell like, sound like, feel like? Is that boring? Is that dull? It's time to sharpen our senses to protect our mind, heart and body.

Thanks for your gutsy posts, Suchitra! I am with you!

Trish~~

Hi Patty,

Ditto xx

Allowing is a big step in ones spiritual path. Ultimately one must allow everything to just be including those things that have otherwise frustrated us. Even the frustration must be allowed and then it is no longer frustration.

Dealing with these things in our life that we take personally is a tough one, I know. What is happening for me just recently is that because I can allow all things to be without my personal slant on how things should be I kind of have a Omni point of view rather than a point of view. It is seeing things in the light of not this, not that.

After practising this method what is happenening for me is that my awareness has changed to the point where by I can move my awareness onto other areas. For example I can put my attention on the inside of a coffee jar and my awareness will be inside of the coffe jar as well as here in what I identify as myself. Equally I can move my awareness towards another person and have an experience from their perspective and understand things from their side.

Moving ones awareness is a great sill to learn to do, you can begin by just stopping thinking first of all and then moving your point of awareness out of the head and into parts of the body.

Love


Simon xx

Hi Irvine Welsh
thanx for writing in and the links.
i like your use of the word copyartists. a new term for copycat- can one who copies the work of others be called an artist? debatable point :-)

Hi Simon

thanx for your writing in and for your suggestion. Unfortunately or fortunately things around me affect me, perhaps more than they do others but i cannot turn a blind eye to them.I wish i could throw off things rather than absorb them -life would be so much simpler.
But your right, at the end of the day its just a movie.One best ignored

Hi patty
#6"When I see a movie and I am asking myself why am I watching this or what was that all about? Within 24 hours I get a greater view... for again it is like throwing the sticks or coin, new possibilities are present that I couldn't see before"

You are right. I spent the whole of yesterday running a fever. Then i spoke to my friend this morning(the one i saw Aamir with)and she told me she too had fever yesterday.
So i guess the thing to learn from this is that negativity in any form does affect our bodies and our health not only our minds.

hi Trish
#9"Out of balance dark negativity that disrespects life through so many channels and mediums is not okay. It's time to say "Enough!" It's time to protest with one collective voice. And if this is to be led by a feminine force so be it"

Yo sister! we are in this together ;-)

Hi Suchitra,

I am lucky, i watch movies usually alone, so i just walk out, whenever i feel my sensibilties cant take more or if movie is very cliche.
I had walked out of Don(SRK) in about an hours time.

Cheers
Manoj

Dear Trish,

I found your post #9 interesting and I'd like to discuss some of the things you say in it.

One thing is that if you think of it, everything in this universe is at home here. All substances, all thoughts, all attitudes and kinds of energies are at home. Everything that exists belongs to the Wholeness. When you realize that, you also realize that "toxins" are simply mis-placed or mis-used energy. Like the poison of a snake used to feed a baby- it is not EVIL - it is simply misused. Why get angry at it... just stop using it.

The same with mental energy. We look at "negative energy" out there and go nuts over it, start telling everyone how terrible someone or something is, get angry or nauseous and don't realize that our anger is the same misused energy as the one we are reacting to. The energy wave is sweeping over us and we are just passing on the mistake (the toxic/misused energy) to everyone around.

When you see how toxic/misused energy circulates through us all (if we let it) you also see that it's not a matter of standing up and shouting even louder than the ones who "poisoned" you. The only cure is to realize that negativity itself is poisonous for human beings and for everything around them. That doesn't mean evil. It means that negativity comes from a misunderstaning, and you can cure it in yourself.

When you get angry at a negative movie, you react as if it were "evil", as if it were the cause of your unhealthy feeling in the body. It is not the cause, it is just triggering the negativity existing even in yourself. We are not separate, this is a mental and emotional field. So how does one stop the automatic circulation of negativity in our field?

-If you can't help getting your own negativity triggered, you stay away.
-After some time of working with your own anger and judgment, when you've centered yourself more in clarity, you start being able to at least not spread the negativity further, but release it from your body/mind by yourself. Instead of running to your family or co-workers to tell them how terrible something is and how angry they should be(the anger wants to spread), you turn around and work with the anger in yourself.
-Eventually, the negativity "out there" will not arouse any in you anymore, because you will have clarified your personal field and it will be strong enough to stay awake even when energy is misused around you.

This doesn't mean that we don't change the way things are in the world. On the contrary. Working on clearing out the anger in oneself is the only way to clear it out from our collective world. When you are not angry anymore, you can change things for real, out of love and not out of anger. The difference is huge.

Thank you for reading, have another nice day :)


I did not know there was so much shit in me until the moment I start to let it go

Your artist expression is truly artist. This help me to connect myself with that part. Thanks Suchitra!


After a blind and dark train of suffering, there's always a full inspirational-jewel at reach, available in many high-colors.

And now, something waiting to be pick up
Chills, many body-chills
I am crazy, back in friendship-business
I cannot help it, I am crazy

There is a sublime from you
Not discovered yet...

Ref #12

What I was talking about is not turning a blind eye to anything.

My Grandfather used to say that the best cure for a problem is a bigger problem. If you look carefuly at that saying then it will lead you to a place where by you can become a master of your own consciousness instead of a slave to it.

Let us take this movie for instance... Imagine you had a pain in your chest last week and you had been to the doctors/hospital to run some routine tests.

Then in the mean time you went to see this movie and recall all of the anger, emotions you were expressing about it. Now imagine you get home carrying all of this anger with you and your family doctor is waiting at your house and he informs you that you may have terminal lung cancer. Imagine how that feels, to be told you might loss your life.

Do you think the movie would matter in the slightest in that moment?

I doubt if you would even remember you had been to see a movie at all.

You see this is the case for everything in our lives. We react to every bit of information with a conditioned response.

The state that is present before the response takes place is the natural state of being. It knows nothing of feeling angry over a movie nor does it falter at the moment of death. The information can come and go as frequently as it wants but this state is always there just in its perfect balance.

When you route out this state and be in it more often... you begin to see all of this content and information coming toward your senses and you see it for just being content. There does not need to be a response to it. You can just look at it all as content, as information. The words "You are dying" can be the same as "Look at this butterfly" They are both just pieces of information you see?

When you can train yourself not to have a conditioned response then you are begining the path of being unconditioned and becoming a master of your world.

In spiritual terms there is a phrase and it goes like this "Remember to take care of business"

Taking care of business is looking at the information and content that is unfolding in ones life and acting accordingly to it. So if I say to you "Lissten, You have really bad BO right now" before the initial conditioned response would have been to become offended. The spiritual way is not think well maybe I do have bad BO right now and I might just use some deoderant or take a shower. You would not take it personally you see? because absoloutly nothing in this world is personal to a spiritualy awakened person. At my root infact I am not even a person. I behave like one to interact here but I know what I really am and it isn't this at all.

Love

Simon xx

Very well done Suchitra! ;-) So you did an "Aamir" on Aamir himself! :D very reminiscent of the story of a dog called a certain Khan on AK's blog.

Cheers,
Desh

Thank u for speaking up...Most of us adopt the escapist route of believing we can "disconnect" outrselves from the experience of watching the movie as soon as we step out of the theatre...

1. Why is Mumbai always depicted as a dark dingy place to the world. Why does only the filth and grime of downtown showcased as the "Real Bombay". What abt the rest of us who are as much a part of Mumbai...Yes! We belong to the slightly affluent set and although our numbers are miniscule compared to the vast majority of extended families who spend their lives in chawals and one room houses..BUT WE TOO MAKE BOMBAY! How abt showing something happy abt Mumbai..Or is it coz everything sad, depressing and negative is considered artistic and intense...Agreed the mass does not have the means to avoid sqyualor but why should the other small set always be the victims since they are the chosen few who happen to stay in cleaner hygienic surroundings...How abt showing the rise of the corporate culture in Mumbai...

2. Take an example (Hint, Hint) from Malayasia or Thailand tourism. People stay in even worse and even more despicable conditions but the face which is shows to the world is one which shows Developement not downtroddensess (I just invented this word in case it does not exist!)

3. Now for some movies off late I like...I really really like...Nice world cinema...Artistic (read dark & intense) but visually does not leave u feeling sick

a. Paradise Now- Abt the occupation of Israel and west bank issues...Jihadis..muslims...no gross scenes! Nice...

b.Leyla- Arabic- A very old movie so the post production might look a bit dated but for its time when it is released it depicts the muslims in a good light (finally!) and how they too have liberal mindsets and how men also make an effort for the upliftment of women but its women who have been cribbinga and complaining for ages abt being chained who are the ones who dont want liberalism as it is contrary to what they have been taught and believed. Insecurity of the female mind.

3. Nathalie- French- How we all f**k up our relationships and our lives by obessesing abt non-existent issues. If we are happy we suddenly wonder why! and Create and issue and dig our garves! We all love being unhappy...Somewhere we feel human and can relate to people more (or thats what we think!)

4. A Scanner Darkly- English- Directed by Richard Linkater. One of the finest example of well executed rotoscopy. for any one who wants to see brilliant graphic work excellent. Same old story line but the graphics take the cake away

5.The Sex Movie- English (German Production). Dark yet funny. Story of 4 friends who meet for a reunion and hidden skeletons come popping out of the closet. The script and dialogues are a work of art! For the ones who view sexuality for what it is and not mistake it for sex.

In the mean time i have cracked the reason finally of all this existensial angast plaguing me since last night- I thought of Aamir and immediately started obsessing abt my pointless existence!

Hi Aurora #16:

Thanks for your insight and thoughts. I am an emotional being and listen to those threads as they communicate/sing through my body. If something upsets me/my senses I respond...like turning off a TV show, a song on the radio or walking out of a movie. If something is off key I make an adjustment.

Toxins, negativity, darkness have their place as you say. However, this force is out of control and taking everything with it like a black hole. Where's the balance through creative tension? Where's the synergetic interaction that honors both positive and negative? If we, as conscious human beings, don't say "Enough!" who will?

I filter intelligence through emotion. We seem to think that spiritual quests have to do with transcending the mental and emotional bodies into light. Does that mean that matter is not spiritual? I want my spiritual quest to bring light into body/mind/emotion...making matter spiritual.

If we are to enlighten matter we have to change our dominantly dark thoughts, words and behaviors. So, for these reasons I will continue to choose harmonious environments for myself. And if/when my environment is polluted by something or someone I will be the first one to take action. And, hopefully, that includes action with my own pollution.

Make sense? Aurora, I appreciate the opportunity to dialogue and exchange energy. When we do so in a transparent way (without ego attachment, the blame game or the defense stance) we move thought and emotion to a new level. What does transparent mean? That word keeps coming up.

Trish~~


#20
"Most of us adopt the escapist route of believing we can "disconnect" outrselves from the experience of watching the movie as soon as we step out of the theatre"

You need not connect in the first place.

If I was in a bad mood and really felt like making somebody elses day miserable and came up to you and began being personal and insultive toward you. Your reaction would be to become receptive to my negative behaviour. What you have done there is come down to my frequency. You have allowed your state of emotion to be influenced by an outside negative force. Now you are the same as the instigator because you are now feeling the negative emotion.


This is the case with this movie, being physically sick and feeling so pissed off by a movie is the same result. You have allowed something to alter your focus on the natural state of being.

This is what spiritual development is about, dealing with these forces that can influence the natural state of being and recognising them. In your real state with all of its wisdom there is absoloutly nothing in this world can make you afraid or angry or upset.

It is the Ego who feels ashamed
It is the Ego who feels angry

It is the misguided identity of self who feels personaly responsible because they have wittnessed something that angers them or upsets them.


I mentioned the words "Taking care of business"

Through taking care of business - One can speak out about a movie if one feels it is inapropriate. There is no problem there. I can go and stage a protest tomorrow if I want to if I feel maybe it is for a good cause. The difference is that it is not personal for me. I do not feel personally violated or compelled to argue right from wrong about anything. If I speak out about it then it is because I feel it could do with some attention.

The best attention to apply to these situations is love


Trish~~

You can invent as many spiritual concepts as you like... but this is all they are inventions.

Face the truth and surrender that is the only REAL way to God. Give up all concepts, all personal attachment to god and then you will be left with God.

Suffering in what ever form, if it is darkness or any other concept is the "Work" it is the fabric that conditions ones experience into quashing all else but the obvious.

The Obvious is the one who is the experiencer of everything including darkness, suffering, Happiness and love.


Rajneesh said something that instantly removed my fear of the Dark, He said "Darkness is just the absence of light"

Love

Simon xx

Simon,

You do not walk in my shoes; see through my eyes; feel through my emotions. You do not have the right to speak to me this way. I find it arrogant. Why not find where threads meet and create common ground? Darkness is half of the yin/yang equation not the whole. Darkness is working to rule this realm and sucking Life up like a black hole. Wake up!

Trish~~

our butterfly slimon is not all there girl...hehe...go easy on him...ok...dang!

Or better yet Trish ask yourself why you feel bugged? thats where the the truth hides. There is but one being, so in fact he can feel your emotions and see through your eyes, as you his. Yes its true, sorry bout the misery fest lately all, unity is what is desired, and it is what will be.

" In time the Kama and the Sutra will comerge all night long"


Trish,

If you believe in these things, If this is how you project your world... Then Yes they are very real.


Please accept my appology and my love.


Love

Simon xx

Simon #26:
Thank you for choosing a non-violent response. There were many paths you could have taken. Not knowing you and not being with you in person when you communicate this I have a choice whether to trust you or wonder if you are patronizing. I can't see you or hear you to read your body language. So, I listen to my gut intuition and say "thank you."

Do you have any "issues" such as pollution in this realm that your are passioate about? Issues the turn your emotions and move you to action? I used to be "above it all" spiritually -- until I found that I had childhood issues to deal with. I discovered that spirituality can be a diversion away from earthy circumstances that need our attention and healing. For me healing my own body includes healing Earth body. Now, in my body I honor my emotional wheel that turns other aspects of my mental and physical being.

That's how it turns for me. How about for you?

Love back at ya!

Trish~~

Dear Trish,
I haven't seen your response until now.
I understand what you are saying. And like you, I think emotions are important. I completely agree with what you wrote in a later response: spiritual "elevation" can be such a cover up for undealt with issues.

So I don't believe in covering up or denying. Negative emotions are there for a reason, to tell us something. They need to be acknowledged and felt and listened to.

But you see, what I have discovered in my life is that painful emotions tell us about the inner, not the outer world. Whatever we see out there is a mirror, and our emotions are the kind pointer to such that is still hurting in us.

How does it help to say "enough" to the mirror? We can stamp our foot as much as we want. Unless we turn around and look at the source of the image in the mirror... nothing will change. As much as we don't like the violence or ignorance out there... we need to un-glue our attention from what "others" do and from how wrong "the world" is... and find the place inside from where we project all the troubles we experience today.

Transparency is so important, and it is impossible to be transparent with these things if we identify with them. If I -am- my anger... then I'll fight hard to keep it. To hide it. To deny it... and so on. If my anger is what makes me "good", what distinguishes me from "the bad ones"... then I'll never let go.

But if we recognize that anger (or any other "toxic" emotion) is an energy sweeping over us, an energy we do not need anymore, an energy we are willing to release and help each other, with love and compassion, to release from our individual and collective identity... then we will. Anger is not who we are. Anger is not what will solve the inequity, the violence, it will not enlighten the darkness.

Transparency - meaning the power to turn around and look at the source of anger without taking any of it personally, to look from the light of awareness inside- will heal our world.

It is very nice to converse with you too, Trish. I wish you a great, transparent day :)


Dear Trish,

There is no way I would be violent toward you or anyone else or have any desire to hurt someone.

I be silent with your questions you have put and then tell you what becomes of that...

Untill then

Take my love and pass it on

Love

Simon xx

Suchitra: I did n't read your whole article.
However, just for fun
Title of you article shoud be

"Aamir and Suchitra...are full of 'something'!!!"
Of course, amamir is full of shit .No kidding.
and you are awesome 'reviewer'.
Hey no sarcasm here Okay.

Have a good one

Dear Trish,
The problem you have Trish is that you have bought the idea that you are Trish. That this is you and you are responsible for the world and its problems. When you embark on spirituality, this crossroads comes along because you need the Ego to still operate in the world that is arising about you for a time. The crossroads is the test... Are you in the world – or are you ignorant of it and so outside of it...

The real truth is that you are neither, You are actually the creator of the world as it arises before you and so can choose to be in it and out of it at the same time if you like. You always held the keys to your own creation.

Instead of being in the world as it arises – Be with the world as it arises, and give it as much or as little attention as it needs all by itself, effortlessly with eternal love and giving.
Circumstances are Dependent, they depend on a point of view otherwise there are no circumstances. It is peoples circumstances that lead to their problems in most cases. Real Spirituality is not dependent. It is complete it does not depend on this nor that but is Understanding the core of all seeking, all dependencies, all egoic content and freeing the world within you from them. In order to heal the world you must love it as it is - not how you want it to be. It is the temporary state of ego that wants the world to be a certain way depending on circumstances.

Even pollution is a divine experience. You can't have pollution without God
The plague was terrifying for those who lived and died in the time that it swept across the world.
Eventually human kind understood the plague and so they moved on from it.
Now there is Global Warming, There is Pollution; there is starvation, Terrorism, Drugs, Wars and so on and so forth.
All of these things matter to people you see, But they are not happening because of Evil.... they are happening because of man. The world is filled with endless possibilities and man has the power to bring those possibilities into existence in this world. So these possibilities are what pollution etc are.
It is the process you see?
You can't learn not to fall off of a bike unless you have already fallen off. Similarly you can’t have a pollution problem to fight with and overcome unless you have pollution.
All of the things in the world are totally unnecessary really. There doesn't even need to be a world. It appears like a flash of lightening and is gone again. That is what everything that is happening here is, just a flash of lightening. Pretty soon your spirit will be involved in a different existence and the idea of Pollution will not even exist for you.

It is in most cases the separate self who has created these problems. The same self who feels compelled to try to change the world or heal the world for good is the same one who wants to destroy it or own it. You need to drop both views and just be in the world and give it your love not because this of or not because of that... Just Love.

You can't love the world on the condition that it needs healing.... You must love the world with all of its problems if you are to really totally love it.
Many people involved in world conservation or helping the starving do it for their own self gratification. They seek their identity in fighting the cause.
When you are totally selfless then helping people and doing good is your very nature and you seek no recognition for it.
Do you know the names of all of the Nurses and Doctors in your local hospital?
I bet you know who Bob Geldoff is though right? Or Bonno?
Yet the Nurses and Doctors are the real heroes that remain unsung along with most other people who selflessly give the needs of the world their undivided attention.

The Answer to your question of Do I have any passion about anything that may be deemed as Wrong with the world is – No I have none whatsoever. As far as helping the sick or the elderly or taking care of things that are polluted around me... arising in my immediate awareness - That is my Nature. I am that anyway without even needing to question if I am good to other people or help and care for the world. I live here all of the time. I love God and I recognise God in every single thing I can witness.

It is a wonderful thing to help others or do your little bit to contribute to a happier world. I try to help at least one being every day with something for free. Not because of any moralistic need or any righteous needs, but simply because I love them without any conditions. I would even help a murderer if they needed help from me. Not to murder you understand but just to give them a little bit of love that brings some warmth to their experience of life.

If you feel the need to change the world for what you decide is good, then I will support you with this and I wish you the best of success. You have the power to do it within the miracle of endless possibilities just as you have the power to pollute or kill and so on. You are a real miracle worker.


Take my love and pass it on


Simon xx

Simon,
You begin speaking to me with: "The problem you have Trish is that..." Non-violent communication teaches one not to use this type of language as it creates separation.

Love back at ya,

Trish~~

The Center for Nonviolent Communication

A global organization helping people connect compassionately with themselves and one another through Nonviolent Communication language, created by Marshall B. Rosenberg, Ph.D.

What is Nonviolent Communication?

Imagine connecting with the human spirit, in each person, in any situation.

Imagine interacting with others in a way that allows everyone’s needs to be equally valued.

Imagine creating organizations and life-serving systems responsive to our needs and the needs of our environment.

Nonviolent Communication (NVC) helps connect us with what is alive in ourselves and in others moment-to-moment, with what we or others could do to make life more wonderful, and with an awareness of what gets in the way of natural giving and receiving.

NVC language strengthens our ability to inspire compassion from others and respond compassionately to others and ourselves. NVC guides us to reframe how we express ourselves, how we hear others and resolve conflicts by focusing our consciousness on what we are observing, feeling, needing, and requesting.

Nonviolent Communication Language: It awakens empathy and honesty, and is sometimes described as "the language of the heart."

Trish~~


I am Comunicating with you in this way, You are putting emphasis on the mode of my communication so that it fits in with how you would like it to fit in.


Violent Comunicating or none violent comunication are falasies dreamed up by misguided people.


There is Comunication and there is reaction to comunicating and that is all there is.


Believing in Darkness and evil powers is a problem. If you have allowed that into your life then you have a problem.

I respect you make no mistake about it, but political correctness has no hold over how I feel I should comunicate with people.

If you need a good shake then thats what you will get from me and you can shove your political correctness up your ass.


LOL


Love


Simon xx


The problem with Simon is that he is bought into the idea that others are bought into the ideas he projects onto them.

We have here is a clearly projecting Simon_Freejohn.

Perhaps he is the one who needs to be shaken up, but that will come to him at his own pace, not by me abusing him or attacking him.

His passive aggressive antics are pretty neat, especially with women of this blog, Suchitra, Char, Trish etc. His posts are condescending and preachy -- sounds like a recycled guru conversation taken out of context -- to the point of vomiting. His egoic grandiosity and arrogance in his comments is in full display -- and hypocritical -- like seen in the 'Astrological Intents' thread.


To be fair, Simon perhaps 'intends' to put down the thinking, not the person.

(This intention doesn't come out so well and that's why he needs to improve his communication skills in an online forum.)

I appreciate the difference even if I find the activity rather stifling.

But, personally, Simon never puts down his own thinking.

That's a habit one rarely encounters....

in oneself or others.

But the larger point is not in "putting oneself down" kind of honesty, but in considering that putting people down is impersonal.

Irvine,

I bet you enjoyed typing that post above..

LOL


Hey listen.... I am the biggest Arsehole going, make no mistake about it.


Love

Simon xx

Aimir is not the only one then, Simon!

As long as you are not Jonathan Livingstone Seagull I won't need a reinforced umbrella. (

Ed,

Why do you always have to lower the tone of the conversation?


LOL

Blledin Shandydrinker!

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