Dear DK,
Thank you for sharing, I wish you great joy in flowing with your intent!

My intent is to freely allow spirit to illuminate all of itself according to its pure unlimited intelligence.

I don't think there can be intent and Truth at the same time....I choose Truth.

O Supra Universal Consciousness, give me light enough so that Thy Will becomes my intent and my intent becomes Thy Will.

Well said, VivianAmis!

Harb

And so again Truth can be expressed in so many ways :)

Here my two cents:

I love the diversity in life, truth can be expressed in myriads of ways. This I have experienced once more at that painting course I have attended.

I am and stay present at the heartphone at both sides.

I live my dharma from
the well inside (truth) and find much fulfilment in it.

Love,

Mieke

Vivian, I was just wondering... isn't there intent behind your choice?

Also, how come do you "choose" truth if you already are truth?

And if you already are the unmoving and complete truth and at the same time you choose/intend to be that truth, then aren't you simultaneously both the complete and unmoving wholeness and the movement of intent/choice within it? Both Shiva and Shakti? Creator and the entire process of Creation?

Isn't it about being in this world, even if not of it?

Intent is an arrow expressing through ones senses, emotions, thoughts, and actions. Intent is self expression.

Truth is the field in which the arrows fly.

Is my expression through physical body in harmony with Truth? If so the letter, word and meaning transforms to Self Expression.

What are the targets of the arrow? How do I know when I have hit center point?

As a Sagitarrian I relate to arrows.

Trish~~

Hi Trish,

As a Libra I relate to balance :)

Love,

Mieke

Aurora, intent suggests that there are other possiblities, in Truth there is not.

As I see it...you can either create here "on earth" (good or bad, consciously or unconsciously) or be a witness to truth (That which God has already created: perfection)

Hi Aurora, Vivian, Harb, Trish & Mieke,
I am enjoying a happy 5th, and a few moments to read at IB.

There is no way out of the creative process, once born into it, even if briefly, we are 'stuck' in it (as Harb has explained in his book, 'Self-Designed Universe'. Thanks, Harb :)

What a miracle to find myself - all there is to be that is unique in my expressions, and also to know, I am part of a collective whole, and I am prone to actions and reactions (which are often not 'unique' :)

Thoughts are malleable. Truth isn't. As a witnesser, I agree with you Vivian. I am only watching, until ... I am back in the creative process.

I don't mind cupid's arrow, Trish :)

love,
~ Kate

Hi DK, I share the same intent and may detail it more later, as do the Divine Knights, a Kingdom in balance and prosperity for all.

The universal order of Divine Knights would soon gather at the virtual roundtable.

DivineKnights.org

or

Click my name.

Good morning Vivian,

You say that one can either create here on earth or be a witness to that which God has already created. Hmmm...
Okay, so you are the witness of that which God has created. But then more questions come...

Who is witnessing what God has created?
Who is creating?
In a unified world, does it need to be either or?

Hi there Kate :)
I'm glad you enjoy your fifth :) Fifth what? Just kidding :)))

I've found that there is always a way out, and that is through "rolling" myself back to my source, to myself. The person is a projection, my projection. If I want "out" of the creative process, all I have to do is return to myself, the source, which is constantly here and has never moved an inch through all the imagined living and doing.
But there is this playfulness, this desire to know and enjoy myself in many. The desire creates the "person" again, "interacting with others" and "doing lots of stuff". It's fun, and it's not a "must". We are stuck only if we have forgotten the source.

Dear DK,

I find there are many steps between 1 and 2. It doesn't have to be either or. We do have to find 1 in order to be free, and then the One can continue to create and enjoy without becoming trapped in its creation.

Mind creates incessantly. The only problem is that we take this creation seriously, instead of playing with it, enjoying it and letting it flow freely. The creative process starts long before the attachment/forgetfulness sets in. I find it most enjoyable to stay with one foot in the stillness and with the other in the place where the first impulse of creation bubbles up, where I plant the seed of intent. If I attach myself to this intent, it will drag me all the way to the surface levels of amnesia and suffering (what you call 2), but the clearer I remember who I am, the more naturally I let go of the seed as soon as it is planted and the more I can enjoy creating and creation the way I actually ... intended it :)

Dear DK,

Sorry but I do not agree with what you point out at nr. 3 of your comment (or perhaps in the end I do if you could say it in words that are understandable in these days).

You say so eloquently that you do not know anything :)

Then why do you insist to bring the Great Spiritual Masters into this discussion again? We are living Now.

It is very good to have read them and their example of living and their wisdom is great. And I can imagine that to you, and where you come from, this wisdom is innate.

But you cannot, just like that, tell the rest of the world that this is the truth and the only truth.

To be the change one wants in the world, is to have the right to live from ones own inner truth.

Perhaps at the base of every religion this is the same but that does not mean that it has to be expressed in the way the Masters prescribed.

I do not need a Guru to become enlightened. I was enlightened on my 34. Because of all the Gurus I have met since then who all of them had their own truth to put through my throat, they did more bad than good.

I follow my own truth, I live from my own well and if that does not suit anyone else than so be it.

I leave everyone in his/her own dignity and hope that others will have the respect to do the same.

Everybody should be allowed to practice his/her own vision and religion alongside that of others.

Live and let live, share with each other what you want to share but never impose on another ones own truth. It can never be pushed on someone from the outside. Only be shared.

And there are no (real) solutions to all the world problems either, it will sort itself out by itself, like it has always been the case. Because also this is Evolution.

Deepak and you are talking about consciousness, I read an article this weekend that there are others that have done experiments with people and reactions in their brains on different challenges and have come to the conclusion that it is the unconsciousness that does all the choice making for us.

I would hardly call that God, I would say that the unconsciousness is the sum of our experiences.

Well, with the above I would like to stir up a discussions that will otherwise be continued about the wisdom of the Masters and that is in my humble view not such a good idea.

Namaste,

Mieke

Dear Mieke,

You want to discuss a matter that is on your mind and here is my view on it.

You know, the ego is very hard to detect sometimes... some mental constructions serve it so well that it won't let go. It won't even "see" them. It will deny that they are there. It will even put on the mask of enlightenment and defend them if so needed. I know, I've been there hundreds of times. Enlightenment seldom happens just like that, there might be a sudden complete opening, like falling in love. But the journey of enlightening every corner of the mind and heart is like a committed relationship, it deepens and flowers with the sincere work one puts into it.

On my path I have had great help from the masters, especially from a guru who has been the proper guide for my type of ego. But I agree with you, not everyone will need or want a guru in a human form. Still, everyone who is serious on this path has to realize that the inner guidance of a seeker is not always clear.

Something that has helped me enormously besides the guidance of masters and guru is the simple realization that the truth is known in my heart. If my heart is completely open, defenseless, loving and relaxed when I speak/think, then what I hear myself saying/thinking is the truth. If my heart is constricted even so slightly, if I defend, accuse, push, pull or fight in any way, if I have any kind of regret, anger or bitterness flowing out of my heart- then there is a mental construction in the way of the truth. And no matter how "enlightened" my ego tells me I am, I still have to go and look at that regret, anger or bitterness to find the next blind spot. That is, if I choose truth over being right, if I choose the miracle over the grievance, if I choose freedom over boundage.

Dear Aurora,

You are very good in turning comments that are supposed to be objective into something subjective because you think everyone is the same as you :)

You do this from your own unconsciousness because you made the decision to become a healer.

Easiest thing for me is to say: great Aurora as always you hit the nail on the head!

But does that bring us any further to solutions DK is pointing at? #10

Recognizing that we cannot change anything in the world, that is the courageous think to do at this moment.

There is no master that can tell me what to do or what to not do. I am all (al)one on my own path.
And so is everyone.

Trying to make the best out of it.

And I honour your opinion just like I honour mine.

Mieke

Hmmm...hummm...hum a long...if I

Hmmm...If I hum...hummm...along with

Hmmm...Meike...hummm...then soon we

Hmmm...hummm...we shall soon be back

Hmmm...a humm...a him...a her...amen

Hmmm...The Word...The Verse...The Tune

Hmmm...the truth is hum...able, so hummm

Hmmm...someone...hmmm...create an eraser

Hmmm...hummm...now draw in non-existence

Hmmm...now go play...hmmm...outside of there

Aurora, I don't believe in a unified world...nor do I believe that a world of constant change can ever be unified...other then in change.

I have found a "world" where we all meet as one...beyond this world....it is home.

The world and mind appear at the same time....within consciousness. I have found my true self beyond consciousness....being one with/in and of spirit....changeless, timeless and formless.

Hello DK and Everyone,

The "wisdom of the Masters" can only take one so far on the path, or the "wisdom of the Master" can only, ever, be, a pointer to one's Self-realization. If one is lingering too long with "their" Master, that, wisdom, then, becomes, simply, a pacificer for one's insecurities..

Ultimately, it is you, standing at your door, waiting for yourSelf to open it, for, it is only, you, who can ultimately KnowThySelf, and, you wouldn't have it any other way....the Self just loves that part of the peek a boo game:))))

have a great day everyone, ruth

By all means donut
Believe only in the jam
Taste the proof, not the spoon

Dear Mieke,

I do know that to find the source of the so called objective world, I need to turn inside. If that means being unconscious, then I am completely unconscious, a total fool :D :) What I described has been one of my ways out of the labyrinth as DK puts it, not the only one, but one of my most effective "solutions" as you call it. You don't need to "honour" it any more than you honour a hammer you use to build a chair. It either works or it doesn't.

Btw, I cannot recognize that I cannot change anything in the world... as I am the source of the world and also the world itself. But sure, there are truths and there are truths.

Oh well, just discussing, Mieke :) Have a nice afternoon and best of luck on your path!

Dear Vivian,

You talk about two things- your beliefs and your experience. I know the experience. I am just wondering if the beliefs, terms, definitions, distinctions, here and beyond, that and not that and all the rest are still necessary. Is it all One or is there something other than One? Only you can know that. Nice talking with you :)

Here 2 K?!?

har har

Aurora, you ask is there something "other" than one. Yes and No. Yes....that which is not. No...because it's not.

That which IS, can not be known in terms of knowledge....therefore it is not recognizable as a concept or belief. You call it one...I call it spirit.

I know you know....do you know I know?

Of course I know, Vivian :) Not that there is a you and me to know that I know that you know :D... But I like playing with thoughts and words sometimes, don't you? I was just thinking that no matter how I turn it and how I rub my eyes, everything that isn't... is still ... That :) What we see with our eyes and with our hearts and with our souls, all levels and dimensions of this existence, both the home and the imagined journey to it, all of it is one and the same. I don't know what to call "not Spirit". It's all the same. I have seen it as beyond... but how can it be beyond when there is only that.
Splash splash... words playing around in a sea of that. That splashing around in a sea of that :D:) I sometimes wonder how on earth we're going to continue to use words. Maybe we won't. Good night Vivian, thanks for the enjoyable "interaction" ;):)

To be LOVE. Thanks for asking (((DK)))

Love, Char

LOVE, only another word that has so many meanings :)

To me it means: List Of Virtually Everything.

First of all we are not trapped in the labyrinth because it is not a maze. It is only a unicursal path. We cannot but walk it forwards towards the centre and from the centre forwards towards the exit-entrance again.

It is just the centre that wants to experience itself in every direction and if there was no ego there would be no Oneness either. One is never trapped in either one of it just because they are two sides of the medal.

One cannot judge about one of them being an entrapment.

Mieke

By the way, even the word One has many meanings :)

It means as much as any one makes of it!

Mieke

And where there is darkness there is light and where there is light there is darkness.

Every advantage has its disadvantage
Every disadvantage has its advantage

And on and on and on we go.

Because it is not Love but Life that one can BE.

In all its myriads of expressions.

DK Matai's comment, No.10, is an accessible yet profound exposition of non-dual philosophy/practice of self-realization, supported by brilliant treatise Ashtavakra Gita. To defend the DK's exposition I would like to look at the seeming paradox between the truth and the intent through the science of yoga.

To re-postulated the paradox we'll use the sequential unfolding of consciousness from its subtlest to its grossest manifestations. For the intent undergoes the same birth as the desire, the thought and the speech.

Since nothing in this world is separate from the sound, we'll examine the rise of intent with the analogy of the rise of sound. There are four stages of sound corresponding to the four stages of consciousness: Para; Pashyanti; Madhyama; and Vaikhari.

~ Intent arises deep within the innermost Heart of Consciousness, from the level known as Para-Vak, the primordial undifferentiated sound, which corresponds to the state of pure transcendence. At that level there is no distinction as to the nature of intent.

~ From there it moves to the next stage - carried by the subtlest vibration which can be heard as the sound OM - known as Pashyanti. It is the sound in its subtlest form before it reaches the mind.

~ Reaching to the middle stage, at which the variety of sounds are being formed, the so-called mother-matrix, still very subtle and called Madhyama. At this stage the differentiation becoming apparent and it is often referred to as the ground for the birth of the sound-syllables which in turn gives birth to the unique science of sounds or the language itself.

~ The forth is the manifest and the grossest, it is the stage where the sound is being heard as an ordinary speech. Known as Vaikhari (or Vaikhara).

Once again, the intent undergoes the same trajectory as the sound, or to be more correct, the intent is the sound manifesting as a particular desire and is subject to the same process of what arises at the level beyond manifestation while at the same time undergoing the process of gradual manifestation, whence becoming an intent (thought, action, speech etc.)

To assume that there is an intent outside of the truth is a misconception of reality. There is no sound in the universe, on whatever level, which isn't of the Para-Vak origin. This brings us to the timeless truth, that there is only God's will (intent) even if it feels so human from a certain perspective.

The only contradiction I find in DK's comment (No. 10) is the point 3.

''3. The approach of .1. is a liberating one and the approach of .2. is the ultimate entrapment. We need to figure out how to go from .2. where we are at towards .1. in order to find our way out of the labyrinth. This normally requires an emulation and practice focus, which is, where The Great Spiritual Masters come in. ''

If we agree that there is no intent outside of Intender than it would be logical to conclude that there is no way to figure out anything. The movement from point 2. to point 1. (or any other) is utterly dependent upon the movement within the original trajectory established by the expansion throughout the entire mass of consciousness.

Yet again this isn't DK's error but an error of the language itself, as we know it to be the grossest level of communication it bounds to restrict us to the ultimate understanding of reality.

Jai Guru Deva

To have full realization of Aum is
to be at the meeting point of primordial energy (prana) and the changeless, attributeless Eternal Being.
The fine line between Existence and Non-Existence.
Primal Consciousness
DK's humility is reflective of ONE that has realized Unity.
Todd

Hi Igor,

And at a certain stage in life we will even have to let go of the Yoga......, because, as this humble person has experienced, it can become just as much an addiction as smoking, just like meditation can become a self imposed addiction.

Nothing wrong with addictions, as long as no body tells another body that it is "no good" or is good"" for our health.

Only a living being itself can decide whether it is good for his/her cells or not.

Jai Guru Dev,

Mieke

Hey Mieke,
Can you expand on:" Nothing wrong with addictions, as long as no body tells another body that it is "no good" or is good"" for our health".

I have never heard it this way. Thanks in advance : )

Dear Dr. Matai,

I'd like to comment on the quotation: "Know thyself! Truth is the Timeless Creator! Truth is the Word-Vibration! Glory to the Master Divine, THE ONE WHO DELIVERS US FROM DARKNESS UNTO LIGHT! Master is my light! Master guide us!"

It is my understanding that LIGHT IS KNOWLEDGE/INFORMATION and that DARKNESS is HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE/IGNORANCE. With knowledge of the Creator's Laws comes the ability to connect with Universal Consciousness. When darkness prevails (Ignorance) it is not possible to connect with Universal Consciousness. With knowledge come the "bridge concepts" whereby multi-verses are realized. Once a connection is made it is possible to merge with a complete storehouse of knowledge - an archive of all being, or variations of being - regarding what you have been, or will be, across the ages.

In truth, all essences are circular in nature - SPIRALS, to be exact - and they expand/contract, on and on, into infinity.

The state which you call "Timelessness" is truly an aspect of Oneness, and can be a Touchstone for you. You shall finally recognize that the Faculty of Time is but a filing system - a card catalogue within the Library of All That Is.

Best Wishes,

"Betsy" S.

Well said, Todd. I too recognize Siddha in DK.

Hi Vivian,

Only I know what is good for me. My own cells in my own body know exactly what they have to do to keep me healthy.

I know this unconsciously and when I listen to my body I can smoke as much as I want, I can eat what I want, I can drink what I want. Only I and my cells know what is my own balance.

I do not have to do anything for it, not even be conscious of it cause my body knows.

I haven't seen a doctor in many many years. The only thing I hear in my environment is that healthcare costs lots and lots of money, we will have to pay so much these days for health insurance.

And still there is no doctor that can tell me how to stay healthy, only me myself. Only thing they can do is cure illness, at least so they claim. But when you know you cannot get ill, you do not have to get a cure for it.

And it maybe so that it takes a strong ego nowadays to keep yourself from being influenced by all indoctrination that is coming as information from all sides of the media.

But not for me anymore, and if you want to know why, then just read on my website about my experiences. I just want to share, i do not want to impose anything on another.

In the beginning this IB was a very nice place, where we shared our views. These days everybody knows the ultimate Truth.

Well if that is so, then certainly I know mine too. And I know that EGO is necessary to survive in this turbulent world.

I hope I have explained and if not then that doesn't matter either because your body is a total different world than mine.

Mieke

Mieke, one cannot let go of what one does not have. Even when one finally achieves what one sees as her goal it is not possible to let go of that which is one's state of Being. That is Yoga. That is state of Unity. There is nothing left to let go of.

Forgive me, but your comment on mediation as an addiction betrays you don't fully understand what meditation really is as an activity. Buddha meditated the morning before he had to leave the body. Was it an addiction ?

You ought to know, that meditation after realization is a work to sustain harmonious vibrations not just in your own physiology, but in the environment which far exceeds it.

There are meditators who look after their own gardens by watering the roots of their own beings. That's wonderful. Yet, there are also meditators who look after all the trees and all the parks in the city. That is great. Still there are meditators who are taking care of the whole forests and massive terrains of green land. That is beyond praise.

Well, one can further on the metaphor, taking it to the ultimate conclusion. There are also those beings who's mediation is keeping the Sun and the Moon in its orbit.

Whether one is fit enough to comprehend it or not is beside the point, for the point is been made.

Jai Guru Deva

igor

P. S. When you sometimes sign your comment with the Jai Guru Dev, do you understand the meaning of the words ?
I ask, because of your comments often in the same post which question the validity of the Masters and the need for the Guru. The recognition of Guru within and without being an identical one as the only guiding light is what Jai Guru Dev really means - Hail to Divine Master.

"Buddha meditated the morning before he had to leave the body. Was it an addiction ?"

Yes Igor, perhaps it was :) to be able to leave his body behind that had served him well after all those many years.

I do not care anymore whether I am enlightened or not, whether I understand it or not.

Perhaps that is the other side of this Intentblog lol, so many commenters, so many opinions so many that claim to know the truth and nothing but the truth.

Well, during these three years I have lived up to my truth: result: my website with my truthful experiences for everyone to have a look at and those that like it may even use it for their own intentions.

I came here with one intent: not what is in it for me, but what is in it for humanity. The desire to be human, like Pierre Teilhard de Chardin has written about.

And for me I also found my own truth back in Harb's book Self Designed Universe.

I had a wonderful life up till now, am still discovering all my infinite possibilties and have EGO enough to enjoy them all.

This is my last comment.

All the best to everyone.

Mieke