Gayatri Jayaraman - July 29, 2008
it's not fair of me to have left it at outrage. But what do you say when terrorists blow up half the city, then follow three ambulances carrying the injured to a civil hospital in a car laden with explosives, and then blow up the hospital too? Its beyond bizarre. These things are beyond religion, beyond faith, beyond logic. It's hitlerism - when people believe so hard thay are operating from a place of perfect faith, a space where they receive instructions from 'god', where they are fulfilling divine purpose.... Who decides which is madness and which is faith?
Was Joan of Arc mad? She took untrained villagers into battle on the basis of hearing god's voice and was burned at the stake and still lives a hero for her conviction. But those who burned her - the much esteemed archbishops and clergymen of Great Britain - truly believed she was mad, that she was schizophrenic, that she had shed innocent blood and was worst case a political pawn.
Look at all the holy men and women in the world we worship. Im not for a minute saying that what these people are doing today is holy. But that is what they claim to be their motivation. It is their 'dharm' to do this in some bizarre twist of logic - they believe they are setting the world free, and though it may be hard to behave like this, this is what they must set out to do for their faith?
What is the nature of faith? Sathya Sai Baba explains it like this - when you go to the doctor and ask him to cure you, do you question whether his tablets will work, what their composition is and why you should take them? No. You take them, swallow them and believe you will be cured. If you can faith in a mere mortal, a doctor, why would you not have that same kind of faith in God? why is it so hard to do?
I don't believe being unquestioning is being faithful, because all the greatest teachers - from Rumi to Jesus to Prophet Mohammed to Adi Shankaracharya to Moses founded their religious scriptures on the (earnest) questions of their followers.
But there is an element of blindness to being faithful. It means inherently, believing when everything around you may contradict you, may try to stop you. we are often told that when the hour is darkest, it is then that we must hold on to our beliefs the most.
Then the more we tell these people that what they are doing is wrong - hurting innocent people in more cruel a manner than is imagineable - they take that as a challenge and up the ante - for they believe that they are acting with faith, and that of course we would try to detract them from their path.
Did anyone try telling hitler he had got it wrong? Im sure they did. But he was blinded by his own faith in his own cause.
Who do you blame? The cause for being open to interpretation? The follower for being gullible enough to fall for that? But isn't he following the nature of faith?
I have been thinking about the series of terrorist attacks leading up from 9/11, including the Russian school and the London bombings, etc etc. I think what is so upsetting to me this time is the understanding that these acts are of pure misguided faith. It's individuals acting with conviction, no matter how misplaced we may find it. How do you stop that? Understanding that for now it is probably unstoppable, is what makes me feel so utterly helpless. That when faith is based on bitterness, unhappiness, nurtured grudges, perceived slights and insults, it festoons into a dark side of the self same nurturing faith. How do you fiund the light when your eyes have become accustomed to the darkness?
Answer that and we have a solution to this problem of those who just won't see...
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Posted by Gayatri Jayaraman at July 29, 2008 12:34 AM
Aloha Gayatri
There are four control dramas: intimidation, interrogation. aloofness, and poor me. We all have matching junk that transcends into matching allurement. It is to see behind the eyes. Are you matching intimidation with interrogation?
When you go deep, it is to go abstract. Be the peace you want to see and the crime scene becomes the Light before daylight and night. It is a process. Be gentle and love self. No one can die:) for us. We have a wonderful mind, it forgets:) It is to awaken in the forgetting:) for we are the I am that I am.
love patty
Some actions are just not logical, are they? Why try to find logic in something that isn't?
Why put energy into the madness? Change the channel!
Your questions, Gayatri, are a sign of maturity and of evolution. Thank you for being humble. It's a sign that you are teachable...receptive.
I'm hearing that you feel pain and suffering within yourself and this world. It's a sign of consciousness and caring. However, this "heavy" (how would you describe the sensation?) orientation and identity is not uplifting. Can you consider a shift of focus?
Have you experienced "magic"? Those moments when you sense something behind the scenes? It requires turning from this world and listening from a different angle. Don't resist and hold on to the darkness. Don't hold the mirror up to the dark dramas in this world. Hold the mirror up to light within that is one's true identity.
Are you aware that you have angels, fairies and spirit guides with you? These guardian teachers are there protecting and guiding you. Turn to them...listen with new ears...see with new eyes. The shift starts within. Stretch your imagination...there is much love and creativity behind the scenes. Bring that forward.
Are you doing any volunteer work? It is a good way to express light from within. Reaching out to another in love offers healing that moves from you and back to you. This flowing energy must circulate if we are to have quality of life on this planet. This whole energy system starts with an atom, molecule, cell, gland, organ, systems, body, bodies, planet and planets.
How can you contribute to this whole system? It may mean that you have inner healing work to do first That your inner wounds may be crying out for attention and care. Sometimes when we are stuck in a strong emotion something within is ready to break lose. Take a good look within, do the inner healing work, and then see the world anew because you are new.
I am speaking to you from different angles. Perhaps one of them will resonate with you. Again, you are not alone.
Love,
Trish~~
Aloha Gayatri
I did check out shekar's blog as heartphone suggested. Movies are a wonderful gift in opening the perspective. You might want to watch Magic Child with John Cusack. This too will pass. You make a difference. love patty
Faith = Trust
Galatians 5:22, 23:
And the fruit of the Spirit is: Love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law;
Love, Char
Before anybody reads this sentence in one breath..
"from Rumi to Jesus to Prophet Mohammed to Adi Shankaracharya to Moses"
please spend some time on faithfreedom.com
Aloha
I have bookmarked the faithfreedom.com site. I feel 911 was an inside job. There are many sites that share this view. Alex Jones is one: http://www.infowars.com/ Before you can go to war in America, she has to be attacked. ... 911 was a repeat of Pearl Harbor. President Roosevelt wanted to get into the war, he had created a oil embargo on Japan. Japan had no choice. The reason World War II, was won was because in the end the Japanese didn't have enough oil to lift their planes off the ground as the German tanks ran out of gas. They were stopped because they couldn't get to Russia's oil. 911 is the same old story.. oil. It is very sad... but the truth always comes out. love patty
dear Gayatri,
You ask a question so sincerely and many have asked and continue ...
Why, why
I am learning that Why cannot always be answered in a confined context.
Seeing the BIG picture can be challenging.
'Faith' is a word, and a human construct. Anyone you meet - has faith in something, and is often willing to tell you why things are the way they are (and it should be 'their' way! :)
The answer you seek will come,
Or maybe
the question will
disappear.
Even it no answer ever comes to you that satifies you,
Here is the gift of
the Present Moment.
love,
~ Kate
Ah yes, Kate, the Big picture and Its Present Moment :) Answers aplenty come rolling in on the waves of emotion. They break onto the moment. Did I build my sand-castles too close to the shore?
I read the suggestion to go to the links in the firstpost and found the comments to be very intriguing. The Meaning of Life posts are undoubtedly individual, and I am amongst those who wonder at what life may mean to a pet owned by a rich man as opposed to a pet owned by a less generally endowed poor man. Life's meaning depends upon which life is contemplating the purpose of existence upon the planet.
The question about faith is interesting to me as I agree that when one goes to a doctor to get healing, the patient must give the doctor the truth of the ailment or the doctor cannnot possibly prescribe a treatment for it.
At the heart of everything is the need for truth, whether it hurts or not.
Acts of bombing accomplished by those who are in despair only tells us that the fruits of their religious faith has brought upon themselves and their victims an undesireable end. Yet, in all religious beliefs that I know, sacrifice as a way of life seems to always be taught.
It would appear that most religious faiths espouse self-denial over self-aggrandizement. Self-abnegation is encouraged by many religious faiths instead of self-confidence, self esteem, etc. So because these groups who use self sacrifice as a way of life the tragedy is the wantoness of disregard for other people's values or beliefs as they inflict their pain upon others.
One should not blame the politicians as the only reason for the blasts as so many in the comment section attempted to do. Politics may be at the root of the unhappiness but in the end, the responsibility must be placed upon the perpetrators of the crimes. If faith is the reason that they give, then their faith needs examination.
Aloha Everyone
I was listening to Eckhart Tolle and in his audio book, A New Earth, he shares how we watch television where people are killing people and we call it entertainment. A question on Shekhar's site caught my attention, "Why are we violent?" Barbara Hand Clow feels we are a traumatized species and are projecting our past fears of cataclysm catastrophobias. She shares ". Now science is in agreement with the catastrophic theory model." This is the link of her interview: http://www.newconnexion.net/article/11-01/hill.html
And here is a link from The Daily Galaxy: http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/05/cataclysmic-clo.html
love patty
Hi Arizonasunset,
You are right on with your comment!
"The question about faith is interesting to me as I agree that when one goes to a doctor to get healing, the patient must give the doctor the truth of the ailment or the doctor cannnot possibly prescribe a treatment for it."
If I take your above quotation literally, this is exactly what happened to me some 25 years ago. My doctor took my question seriously and instead of describing a pill to me, he asked me questions, questions he then let me answer myself.
One should indeed not blame politicians but go deep inside onseself to find the real solution. Democracy means we can choose our politicians ourselves, it also means that our responsibility towards them taking their task seriously remains.
The only faith that really matters is the faith one has within, the faith in oneself. That faith is based on self-knowledge. Indeed, if faith is the reason that they give, then their faith needs examination :)
Much love,
Mieke
not the nature of faith, but the nature of jihad ideology.
-Steve
Aloha Everyone
I feel government is nothing more than a loose coalition of bureaucracy. It is to be self-governing as we all have the capacity to be violent. And not to project that violence/fear on someone else. It is time to grow up and not treat people the way we think they are thinking about us. The world, galaxy, universe is inner-subjective. And if someone's behavior, be it political or whoever it is to spotlight that behavior (however it works for you), so you can emotionally detach. Other wise it will be relived over and over. Look at the war. love patty
If everyone had a life worth living who would risk losing it?
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Aloha Everyone
I feel government is not
not the nature of faith, but the nature of jiha
Hi Arizonasunset,
You are right on with
Aloha Everyone
I was listening to Eckha
Dear Gayatri,
The only one who can answer that question is you.
Would like you to read two blog entries of Shekhar Kapur:
http://www.shekharkapur.com/blog/archives/2008/06/meaning_to_life.htm
http://www.shekharkapur.com/blog/
and here the latest entry about the blasts.
The first one contains the answer so it seems. Then read the comments :)
The second one is chaotic and shows that in the end one cannot blame anyone.
One only can BE the change from the darkness into the light.
Much love,
Mieke