Mallika Chopra - July 23, 2008
I have to admit, I do not know how to react to the pregnant man - who has now given birth to his daughter. For anyone who knows me,
I am generally very "liberal" in my construct of family. I staunchly believe in gay marriage and the notion that all sexual orientations, like races, should be respected and are normal. I also firmly believe that gay parents are parents that love and have the same challenges as heterosexual parents, single parents, etc.
So perhaps it just will take some time to accept the normalcy of a man - a transgender individual - giving birth. I confuse myself in my own rationalization - if he was a man who was once a woman who kept his organs does that make him a man. And does any of that matter. I retreat back to my need just to take time to accept it.
Beatie, the pregnant man, said: "Different is normal and love makes a family. And that's all that matters."
That is a statement I wholeheartedly do accept.
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Posted by Mallika Chopra at July 23, 2008 10:17 PM
Hello Mallika and Everyone,
Mallika, frankly, I do not understand why they keep saying the "pregnant man," when it is quite clear that this WOMAN who is in the process of changing her sexual orientation to being a male is pregnant...she obviously has not completely become a male, a man, yet. So, really, to be clear, they should stop saying the "pregnant man," there is no such thing.
There will only be a pregnant man when a male with male reproducive organs takes on the job. Until then, it is a woman in the process of transgendering to become a male who is pregnant. It is just not as headline making as saying the "pregnant man gives birth!."
I think these different circumstances only matter to the people involved and affected.
I saw a program where two white gay men had adopted an African American baby girl, who was drug addicted, at birth, and they talked about their experiences with society as they were preparing to send her off to college and it was the most beautiful and interestng story of love one could see, and, the baby, now, a young smart beautiful woman, just adored her gay dads! So, all that matters is the care and the love and the rest takes care of itself.
have a great day ruth
Hi, Mallika!
Could your ambivalent/delayed reaction have more to do with the type of publicity surrounding the event than with the actual circumstances?
Like you, I wholeheartedly agree with Beatie's statement; but, there was something unsettling about the staged photos in the People magazine story.
My reaction was that this particular couple is more focused on publicity than impending parenthood. My fear is that their baby may not be their first priority.
I think they've been on Oprah. Can a book deal and movie-of-the-week be far behind?
When I look at and think about that person who is pregnant, I see a female and not a male.
Love, Char
I think that I just feel bad for the kid who will look back at pictures of his Mom holding him and see that his Mom appears to be a man.
Also that he will be calling someone Mom who looks like a man. It has to be confusing, at the very least. It begs the question why would a woman try to turn into a man if her wish/dream was to give birth which is certainly a part of womanhood and not manhood? It seems to me like this individual is extremely troubled, and that may be an understatement. It clearly makes no sense.
Also wanted to say that I have no problem at all with gay couples adopting or being parents. That issue, to me, seems a totally separate entity from the issue being discussed. Clearly I am not open-minded enough. However, I wish their family happiness and who knows maybe they will be.
Re: post #3
I had no idea that this family was again featured, in this week's People. I was referencing the pre-delivery story and photos.
Aloha Mallika and Everyone
I loved in your dad's book, Life After Death, the story of the girl who was confronted with the rumor her parents started. They said she was born.
Trish shared about the water wheel. What a wonderful image for we live in the sea. You can never place your foot in the same place in a river. Life is so precious. We are in the time of the Third Jesus. "Jesus's teaching, 'You are the Light of the world,' means that physically, light is what you see when you wake up in the morning. Mystically, it's what you see when you wake up to your soul." Let the water wheel spin:)
love patty
I am going to embrace fatherhood this December and admittedly there is a little bit of envy I feel looking at my glowing wife :)! Weird are the works of nature. Things are different now as I cook, clean, wash and run all the household chores. And I agree - different sounds quite normal!
Hello Malli, I am passing by LA, so I am stopping to say hi!
I think the mind can be influenced to go in any directions; with intelligence, patience and time, any think can be entered inside humans head.
I think that we are stick on the idea that we have to accept the others whatever they are! I think it's an easy-trap. A superb-door for illusions and confusions to fake-freedom and business.
Personnally, I think the idea for a man to be pregnant is out of the line and a sickness from a science-medecine, out of control.
There are people, always someone somewhere, ready to be hook from a despair-desire. You need just one to influence so many others.
Aloha Mallika and Everyone
I imagine not many people know that at the time of Jesus birth, a woman was considered a virgin until after the birth of her child. It was then she married. Jesus was considered King of the Kings, because they were in oppression and were one upping the King at that time.
It is very interesting times. Apollo Astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, is disclosing the US, in coverup of UFO's. You can click my name for the article in Huffington Post. I don't know if you ever have seen a craft but it truly is amazing. And there are many people who report about hybrid children. Again the insanity of believing we were born.. or a man giving birth or a virgin birth or aliens crossbreeding all seems like we live in a galaxy made up of perceptions. The New Earth rises with a attitude of allowing. And with impeccable wonder for the children and adults. love patty
Mailka,
Thank you for bringing up this topic. As a gay man, I have to admit that I don't exactly understand transgenderism. I accept it because in my own experience, I have had people question me on what it means to be gay and although I can give them the typical responses about being born this way, my sense of attraction, etc. I realize that my best efforts to explain does not transfer the internal sense of being that only I can experience. I think transgenderism is even harder to understand because it turns inside out the structure and sense of gender that we all witness as part of our human experience. My point is we cannot begin to understand the internal machinations that leads anyone to identify as the gender that is opposite of the one in which they were born. At the same time, we also cannot completely understand what that same person goes trough in making the decision to transition because they have had the experience of living as the gender of their bodies, even if their soul does not experience the fullness of that gender. There was an episode of "The L Word" in which the character that was transitioning from female to male could not quite bring himself to go through the breast reduction surgery even though he had gone through the hormone therapy and genital reconstruction. Mr. Beatie had a reason for not fully transitioning or not yet fully transitioning and only he knows the internal motivation for that.
Having said that, I was uncomfortable with the way this whole thing played out in the media because it did lead to a public misunderstanding of transgendered individuals and unfortunately it came across as more of a "freak show" that may have caused a sliding backwards of a public understanding/acceptance of the transgender community. It is my opinion that the Beatie family would have made a better and deeper impression by keeping it a family experience shared by members of their immediate community - family, friends, neighbors, etc.
personally i think this is absolutely disgusting. This is proof that the world is headed in a downward spiral. This is not a man. Its a woman with mental problems that needs help. It is ok to be tolerant but to just accept every thing that people want to do is not acceptable. I feel sorry for this kid who is going to grow up with a family like this and suffer the teasing in school as kids are mean to each other. This child should be removed from the familt and placed with someone who is stable.
#12 Leojoe:
I appreciate your perspective that reminds me of Beatie's spirit as I experienced him on the Oprah show.
My impression of Beatie was that he is a gentle soul and is looking for recognition and acceptance. That he wants to be "okay" in the public eye and that is the reason he is telling his story.
Maybe it's a test of the human heart. Can we accept someone so different than the norm? What if aliens from another galaxy appeared before us? Would we react in fear or accept the differences?
Trish~~
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#12 Leojoe:
I appreciate your perspective
personally i think this is absolutely disgustin
Mailka,
Thank you for bringing up this to
Aloha Mallika and Everyone
I imagine no
Hello Malli, I am passing by LA, so I
Mallika,
Thanks for taking time to post setting something in motion body/mind/heart to body/mind/heart --like a water wheel. How connected we are through emission and reception.
Science and modern medicine give us so many choices. One can alter most any situation these days. Change something on the surface and one will be happy. It is so distorted.
Happiness is inside out -- invisible to visible. High vibration to low. Altering flesh/matter will not change the Law of Nature.
Humans will align with Nature. How do we assist that manifestation?
Trish~~