Brother why taunt us with these questions when you... yes You know what we are...

Let me revert back towards you and tell you what I am, What You are and What this is...

Imagine you are standing in a room that is completely empty except for a window. The Window looks out onto a horizon of nothingness, an empty canvass of eternity.

At this level all you are is a witness to nothing..

Suddenly the wind blows in through the window and there are a pair of curtains by the side of the window. As the curtains blow in the wind of eternity they appear to never be in the same place or even the same colour. They fluctuate with an endless unpredictability that includes some moments of stillness.

Outside of the curtains and the windows is always the horizon of endless possibilitites - But for now the curtains have your attention.

Lets go over this again... In a more personal way.

I me Simon was born in 1977, I am 31 years old right now or so it seems...

I measured this by the things that Appeared, Grew and dissapeared around my 31 years.......

But did they?

Is Tomorrow really tomorrow?

Was 1985 really 1985?

If I answer honestly without any form of egotistical condition... No.

I have never been as I think

1977 - 1985 - 2008 are like the curtains that flap in the wind - never to flap the same way or the same colour...

The one looking out the window is not merely in one stage or one fluctuation but was always there watching every movement of the curtains... with the broader self always capable of going outside and forgetting the movement of the curtain and becoming ebdless potential.

We are accidental in the sense that God has made the miracle of endless possibilities and the Universe is in cognition with that.

Remember also that the one standing by the window is merely an assumed position...

Deepak Chopra, Malika Chopra, Simon, Adolf Hitler and so on... are assumed, we always look outward to why we exist but in actual fact existence is looking inward on itself when it assumed this position..

You cant get there from here when you ask am I accidental because you have the wrong map that you assumed was the correct one.

Love

Simon xx

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VjOsz4BDkCE
If you look at what this Seventh Stage Master is saying..

Nothing Can be "Fixed"

LOL

From an Ignorant point in fact it is like listening to an Alien language I would imagine..

If everyone could suddenly have this awareness... The world would suddenly totaly Vanish! in the most Inpolite way.

Real Reality next to world reality is like British Soccer and American Baseball....

Go Figure!

Love

Simon

Aloha Deepak

Robert Thurman tells a funny joke. Why does it take so many sperm to fertilize an egg? Because nobody will stop and ask for directions:) The human experience is a split mind experience.. it is constantly taking the baby out of the bath water.. finding the miracle where no one expects it... not throwing the baby out with the bath water. Seeing the miracle in the misdirected miracle for everything is seeded. By pointing the finger at scientist but at the same time knowing we are delightful uncertainty, for who are we to know? We are a mystery not to be figured out but to be realized. I am that I am. It is the End Game:) of the fool I am to know anything. And Yikes:) love patty

Deepak!
I have to agree with Simon: " why taunt us with these questions when you... yes You know what we are..."

Simon!
Your window/curtain metaphor is interesting.... I'm still processing what you said. Why don't you get connected on "Seesmic" so you can "talk" about all this!

~Sharon

What ever you have either been foold or have some how come to believe (Possibly by your parents or religion) be cautious of..

As Deepak says " I am not in The world - The world is in me"

The truth is not in the world but is also in you...

Real truth is the end of beliefs

when you have nothing left that gets you through the night but can still sleep

When your Satan is outshined and blinded by the lighthouse of eternal recognition with the light of now.

When the mind does not master you - but you it

Then you have not merely reached heaven - You are Heaven...

As soon as you begin to say "I believe" then you have missed it. It is a trillion light years away from you...

There is no belief... You are the Belief

There is nothing to be believed in other than BEING ITSELF.

all else is just mental masturbation... you are spiritually lost without a compass.

Love

Simon xx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GtimvTX6Q

Wow Tammy that is a keeper:) Deepak is great:) on YouTube. love patty

Hey Deepak,

I like the 'short format' for eliciting responses to the big questions. It's succinct.

Do I think we are an accident?
Yes, of course! I wouldn't have it any other way! What creepy, paranoid viewpoint it must be to pretend I'm being controlled by some big invisible puppetmaster in some unaccessible cosmic control room. Big Brother times a gazillion - no thanks, not for me, Bro!

Creativity is full of accidents. I just played a party gig with some musician friends on Saturday. We had a whopping six-song repertoire (we have just recently formed) and we played for five hours. Over four hours was just stuff we made up on the spot. It was beautiful, we found some really cool musical spaces, and the folks at the party were raving about our music. It was unplanned, and we found musical directions completely by accident, and just following where the energy went.

I think that's a lot closer to how we get created. Our parents didn't know they would fall in love before they met, and they didn't know who the baby would be.

I submit to you that no one else in existence knew that stuff beforehand either. You and your beloved are just moving with the energy that arises through your interaction and - viola- new life that nobody knew before springs up!

Is is accidental? Yes.

Is it Divine - absolutely!
Is it creative - absolutely!
Is it meaningful - absolutely!
Does it fulfill the purpose of existence - Yes!

Man, I am SO HAPPY that I'm a mindless, divine, accident arising out of the pure creativity of Existence!

I wouldn't have it any other way.

I can't wait to see what beautiful divine accidents unfold in life for me next!

This "being alive" thing is AWESOME!

So that's it. We're an accident waiting to happen.

God is either in me,
or is not at all.

~ Wallace Stevens

how does one tell if it is/isn't?
;)

still ...
we only have what we have, eh?
here we are.

onward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNmcB50NALQ&feature=related

This is ray stevens.
great.
love his stuff.

Btw, not to be confused with Ted Stevens ...
the veteran Republican Senator from Alaska for the last 35 years, indicted last week by the grand jury on seven counts of corruption. The states governor happens to be some Republican self-serving housewife from up north who is under federal investigation as well for using her office for personal vendetta against her brother-in-law cop...

Well, the piper is about to be paid ...
and the state lose it's republican senate seat for the first time in 35 some years, eh?
like bobby said:
the times ...
they are a-changin'
[or not]

But then - God must be Ted Stevens too, yes?
according to terry murphy above and all the old masters.

Yeah ...
and thus we have:
'God works in mysterious ways'.

wHAT A STUPID SONG

lol

XX

#4

The Wind curtain thing can be hard to uderstand. I said it recently to a realiser and he got it instantly.

It basicaly illustrates this...

Time is an illusion ok...

The first thing people will always say when you come up with something like that is "If time is an Illusion then why do things get old? and the world is never the same. If there is really no Yesterday or any tomorrow but only eternity as it always is then why does there appear to be time?"

This is very hard to grasp for most people.

The man standing in the window analogy represents the conscious being as it is within you and has always been since as far back as you are aware. So he is standing there unchanged and all about him nothing changes.

The world as it appears to us is like the curtains blowing in the wind as they fluctuate and change that represents the appearance of bodies and landscapes ageing around us and giving us a false perception of A time.

Really there has never been any time at all

The cutains just moved abut you, even your own body is like the curtain as it appears to age and dissapear.

The Witness is not bound up in time really - days don't exist nor do years it is always now regardless of what is blowing in the wind.

Simon xx

It is accidental, the creation of time and space just happened as a byproduct of Awareness. Not a mindless process per say, but from the laws of nature and universal conciseness, which was born out of that supreme Awareness. Although the word mindless does apply to Awareness, and being mindful applies to body consciousness, however Awareness is an all-knowing being, and classifying it like science does is not entirely correct. At a certain level science feels its limitations and declares ciaos, and without the help of spiritualists it wanders aimlessly in the dark. Things may appear to randomly happen, but in reality a long string of events from the beginning of time all played a part in the event, and because it’s impossible to trace, it is seen as mindless. ~Kurt~

Good question and one to ponder upon. I've been thinking about this for several days now and eventually came back to believing that we are not accidents. I think the universe is intelligent as per the proof of, for example, DNA, synchronicities, mediums/prophets predictions coming true, miracles, etc.

And I think technology is the tool to bring us closer to who we really are, as we learn to do what we are taught by technology on our own; such as, talking to people directly with our thoughts via our brains, as we connect to the one mind when we are miles apart from each other. It's like learning to communicate as a spirit being, by developing our skills, while crossing the boundaries of time and space.

Well, that's what I'm thinking at the moment.

Love, Char

It's all been written and explained detail in the past on Intent Blog everything you seek.

Click my name and it brings forth the pages, 774 in number.

Dear Dr. Chopra,

Again, I would like to quote my friend, Dr. William A. Tiller, who is one of the leading scientists working in the field of the new physics. He asked himself, "HOW MIGHT THE UNIVERSE BE CONSTRUCTED TO ALLOW SUPERNATURAL OCCURRENCE TO OPERATE?". He also has said, "The soaring edifice of personal mind, so capable of touching all the glories of the universe, sees not glory when too rigidly constrained by old concepts and dogmas - then an unseen prison does the personal mind become".

For the last 400 years the scientific community has orbited between mass and energy (back and forth). The new physics is working on expanding scientific knowledge by including Consciousness.
Again quoting Dr. Tiller, "Consciousness is a by-product of Spirit entering Matter". The scientists' mistake is that they have stuck quantum laws in space/time. We must move beyond space/time. Currently, the established scientific community perceives a wave-like behavior of a particle-like phenomena. Dr. Tiller says that we must accept the co-existence of particles and waves. In the Relativity Theory, the particle velocity has to be less than the speed of light. In actuality, particles from higher dimensional realms move faster when interacting with magnetic information waves and slower when interacting with electric particles.

Dr. Tiller says that "There is another level of reality where energy that can drive us to the stars can be accessed".

The majority of the current scientific community refuses to accept that science and spirit work together. Therefore, there is a reigning theory that we are separate from nature and are in someway superior to her. This is totally off-base. Without honoring Nature, we are destroying our very lifeblood. Without the nourishment of Nature (Mother Earth) we cannot survive.

Best Wishes,

"Betsy" S.

Sharon, #15 is what where at.. : )

Well said, Char, Thank You.

#17 - I enjoyed this post, as I ponder upon the particle/speed of light part, while I ask myself ... how can this chair that I am now siting in also be the light that moves at it's own speed, but not appear to be moving as I perceive it? The chair is actually the shadow of the light and since I cannot see the light with these physical eyes, the shadow remains for me to see. ... just pondering out loud, as I don't understand it all. I know that the wave and particle are the same and it all depends on how we choose look at things, as we can see either. Everything is light in our physical world, i.e., or atoms, if you will. There must be some parallel with consciousness and the light as the sages use the world 'enlightened'. I suppose that would be a conscious atom! :-) I don't know ....

Love, Char

I'm not sure how we get from "are we an accident" to "is science seeks to prolong the accident" in the same inquiry.

Of course we're accidents! We are gorgeous accidents of breathtaking purportions, flashes of gold in the universal pan. (Imagine some stinky prospector peering over us.) This placetime is coursing with accidents that ought never have happened but nonetheless did.

Wiki defines: "An accident is a specific, identifiable, unexpected, unusual and unintended external event which occurs in a particular time and place, without apparent or deliberate cause but with marked effects. It implies a generally negative probabilistic outcome which may have been avoided or prevented had circumstances leading up to the accident been recognized, and acted upon, prior to its occurrence."

Probabilistically negative is the key.

The fact is that the universe ought to have been tepid broth if left to pure probability. Instead, we are a fresh salad, a vibrant interplay, supermultivariant! Is there intelligence back of it?

Who cares?

The question is so many words...dominate. Does the universe know what "dominate" is? Can the universe see a "dominate"?

If we are creation, why would we do anything other than what creation fully and fabulously intended? Deepak's question itself comes from dualistic perspective. So there is no answer other than what the earth itself could conjure.

So I think he has tossed a lariat.

The fact is that we are both footstool and King. Think about how cool that is!!

An accident and part of the universal plan? Both? I would think that we would have to be one or the other. Plus, accidents are not intelligent...are they?

Love, Char

OK, so the reason I came back here, now that I have primitive internet at home, I was pondering upon this thread in the car on my way home from work, as it related to my earlier post above.

I was thinking, how can the light be a shadow? It cannot ... really. So why do we see the shadow? And how do we see the shadow? I don't know, but I was thinking that only the light can see light and all this is light, so to the light, there is nothing else but light, i.e., more of itself, everywhere and expanded - the all.

So only an illusion would see an illusion, if what I currently understand about the light. Such as I am an illusion seeing more illusions, as that is what I am and it is my world in the physical realm. But then illusions are not real, so they tell us and the ACIMs mentions all the illusions that the children create. So how can I see more of myself which is not real, i.e., on the lower level? The sages say we are veiled, so we are not able to see who and what we really are.

And then I was just thinking that I see a chair and so do you. So why do we see light as a chair? and it's not just my illusion, but also yours. That must be because we are all one and seeing the same thing or some of the same illusions. However, we each create our own illusions and some of them others see and some no one sees. Why is that? Does belief play a part? Or is that one's mind is stronger than another's?

I don't know, but just pondering upon it all and some thoughts that came my way.

Well, I'm done for the day.

Love, Char

Oh, one more thing I just thought of. If we are beyond space and time, then we can only see what is here right now and all at once as all these things, such as light, shadow, wave, particle, space, & time from many different eyes as one eye. Maybe that's why the wheels of the chariot of God has eyes all over it!?! .... because that's the way God sees - from all levels and all things and all at once.

Love, Char

Well I finally made it to seesmic. Oh my god what a goofball.
I remember shaking in fear the first time I posted written words here, this is like that on 1000 times more. I hope to get more comfortable at it.

yo

derek and fish

Derek ...
love you
&
your fish!
Hooray for seesmic
yo, yo
~ Kate

Well..I don't watch any of those videos, except Deepak's first one, so that's wonderful for those who participate in that way and enjoy each other in that format. Hopefully, you will translate what you said for those of us here to scan. But if I were you, I wouldn't put out the extra effort. Anyway, I cannot see the videos from my home PC and I cannot bear to watch them otherwise either, even at work. It's hard enough to scan thru all the written stuff. Must be that ADD thing! And I start hyperventilating if Deepak's posts are too long (more than a page) or if his videos hit the 2 minute mark! But I make myself finish Deepak's stuff....

Love, Char

Hi Kate
I left you a hello on video

But I'm no ready to read my silly poems yet

did i just have an accident
or did i create the world
my joy burst out
without restraint
my eyes did open
and here we are
my fish
and me and you

derek

Alright Derek!

Good job brother! Keep coming back ya'hear.

Alright

(verbatim for the lovely Char4!).

peace

derek,
yours is the voice I will last hear - as I fall gently into dreams,
I love your words, your smile, your laugh and bright eyes
Thank you!
~ Kate

Char4,

Who is it that wants to know who's doing the seeing?

The Science behind seeing is all very straightforward we know how the eye works and where it is processed in the brain, However it is that one who is "Aware" of the seer who illudes science constantly.

He does not Illude me of course, I know him... He's me. and not just my vision or mind but every single bit of me.

You said we can only see now..... everything is now, you are only aware of now regardless of what you can see. Seeing through sensory stimulation is easily believed. As night gives in to day and sleep to wake, the senses tell us a new day has arrived. This only a belief.

All Beliefs are false..

God Realisation is the only truth..

Forget about where Yesterday and Tomorrow are and know that here is where you are. Now is when you make your plans and be important to yourself, give yourself the right amount of attention and others. You are always now.

God has no chariot either thats just another belief. Anything that can maintain every single cell in your body and also create a solar system and entire Galaxies at the same time and not be seen; has no use for a chariot. The physical world is some what prehistoric with all its mechanics next to the spiritual world. This is where ideas of Chariots and Crafts of some kind and even an eye which is physicaly mechanic come into this whole belief system. Spirit "IS" without any of any of these things. It is the missing link between science, Biology and Understanding.

Love

Simon xx

#24 Derek!! You've just completely wiped my doodle software.....well, image image, really. I knew you were open and courageous and lots of other cool stuff.
Like Sharon, too, (I saw you before Craig, brother you could be) for me to see you, adds a whole new facet to the diamond.

I once had to read to my whole school assembly at morning prayers.....shaking was I, too. I had just unlocked my lips when a wee lassie in the front row fainted just to my right. Jeez! I froze. The whole assembly seemed to freeze for what seemed an age. The headmaster finally moved to assist the girl....."Carry on Edmund," said he without batting an eyelid. Boy, after that, I hadn't a clue what I was reading, and I doubt anyone else, either!

If Irv takes the plunge, Derek, I will....phew!

Hello everyone! A quick note before I go to work (today I'm filling in at an office where I really have to work so I can't just play here all day :(

Tammy--I just saw your post, just now. **sigh** and :). I'll let the perfect song come to me today and send it. And in the meantime, my thought waves are heading your direction. And really everybody's here, I think about all of you all the time. Am I being obsessive?

And one more thing... on the last video I posted at the very beginning, Nick was asking me if I was going to tell you all something. When I said, "No, honey, shhh :)" He said, so you'll tell them when you're finished? Well, I never told you. Yesterday, Nick pooped in his pants at school. He's doing SO well with using the pottey, but sometimes when he's not at home, he can't get to the bathroom in time to poop. So, he wanted me to tell you about his 'accident'. He had an accident. It wasn't his intention to poop in his cute little Thomas the Tank Engine underwear, but it happened. It was an accident.

(shoulder shrug and a 'who knows' expression)

I love you. I'm still a little insecure here, but I'm starting to relax and just go with it. (thanks for yr post tammy and for dropping my name Ed. "you wanna be where everybody knows your name")

Have a great day all
Sharon

Yo, I was an accident. My parents so didn't expect or plan me. I just happened. So my perspective is influence by this.
In my art, accidents almost always lead to discovery and some are better than the planned pieces. I call this accidental genius. The real genius is not covering up the accidents but letting them take form.
I also use creativity that is very meticulously planned out, researched and executed.

I started creating art before I knew what art was. It just came naturally. I then started studying it and maturing in it. This to me is an example of one possibility as to how we got here.
A mysterious thing happened and here we are, now we study ourselves and mature, leaving behind the need to know how and why.

derek

Sharon
You have stepped into a family. Did you get here by accident?
Yo
I am glad you stumbled into this place, made from it's creators intention.

peace and love

derek

Dr. Chopra:

Just as we are not ready to understand and truly question our beliefs, scientists have the same problem! I have written a post from the spiritual side of things (which some of my friends did not like and took objection to as well): http://www.drishtikone.com/?q=blog/when-gurus-are-no-more-prostitutes

Scientists have known that space and time is relative and there in its primordial sense - space and time should therefore have no existence without an observer.... hence causality is a construct ONLY within the "Relative" world.

Outside of Causality - the question of us being "an Accident" does not even arise.

The question - rhetorical as it is - presumes a reason... a sequence.. some cause and effect relationship to exist.. which in itself is a flawed assumption.

Its ok for Darwin to have not thought about this.. but for today's scientists to talk biology without any frame of reference from Physics or cosmology is unexcuseable!

Anyways... in my eyes... its a rhetorical question. It can only be debated in a framework where it makes sense ... but its complete context lies OUTSIDE that framework! :-)

Cheers,
Desh
drishtikone.com

Desh

Have not had time to read your article, but I agree that we are always looking for causes, but what we find are merely effects.

This question cannot be answered by isolating sequences of events and projecting the notion of causality on those events. At least not a definitive answer.

Bonnie

Some years ago I articulated the number of accidental random mutations that would need to occur for a Wolf to become a Chihuahua in only ten thousand years; impossible from a systems analytical perspective to have occurred randomly by accident without an intelligent impetus. Some of them needing to occur concurrently, at that time some scientists started to evolve their theories seeing the flaws in them.

For required changes to occur concurrently at a minimum there must be some cellular level gestalt intelligence.

Interestingly this is the only species to achieve such a variety of form in such a short time and the contributing factor behind it?

Man's best friend. God spelled backwards.

Smart Dog Amazing! Intelligence coupled Dynamic DNA Alteration

Click my name..

Perhaps one of my most interesting more recent discoveries and assertions one has put forth is that while the form of various species have changed, and a variety have appeared, one has not been able to discover any proof that the core DNA has ever evolved which means it must have arrived intact.

But what is most surprising would be that your body, a carbon water based machine was engineered by scientists not of this world.

This was based on my analysis and assertion some 14 years ago that Junk DNA had a purpose because it seemed to contain a symbolic programming language. I have since been validated at least in this regard.

I speculated then that if it had been engineered then like any good scientist there would be tags, documentation, instructions and a signature of the engineering group responsible and that there would be some master code.

Yes "A world without belief - The Infinite Player" has been part of the Lethal Text collection for a number of years now.

The NOW includes the past, present and future - it is all the same point - whole and complete at the highest level, i.e, GOD.

Love, Char

This part, I agree with "Spirit "IS" without any of any of these things. It is the missing link between science, Biology and Understanding."~Simon

However, Spirit uses many tools at many different levels and in many forms. What I said about the wheel still applies....the eyes of GOD!

Love, Char

Thanks derek.
I think finding this place and you all here was a little bit of an accident and a little bit of my own desire materializing.

on the days that I meditated, right before I closed my eyes, I would thank the universe for these friends, close, supportive, honest, caring and loving, as though you were already here. And then I would let go and trust the universe to swirl and stir and bring to me the deepest desires of my heart. I try to keep my wishes simple, cuz I've gotten what I wished for too many times, then wished otherwise. ;)

much love and peace
sharon

it's really great to see you the video. i hope more people get on.

Hey Sharon
Keep you wishes simple and let your dreams be big enough to reach the desires of your heart.

I wish much love and peace to you

derek

When I was a kid I wished we had cool video phones like the Jestons.............uuuuuhhhhhhmmmmm.....now we do. Next flying, green, cars.

yeah!! Sounds cool. I loved the Jetsons. It didn't really seem that far-fetched for some reason, did it?

"Keep you wishes simple and let your dreams be big enough to reach the desires of your heart."

Did you just make this up? It sounds like some age old piece of wisdom. I am writing this down, as we speak, as the final thought on my page of desires, the page I look at every day. 5 things I wish for, they are simple, but would feel larger than the universe if they came true.

Thank you for your wish for me. And I wish the same for you.

sharon

You said if first Sharon in your comment #42

I just said it back to you from my perspective. My grandmother thought me to do it when I was young.

I try not to think about what I'm going to write here. I just start typing.

Grandmothers hold the keys to all the wisdom we will ever need and they hand them over with a smile.

The labyrinth is full of more than wisdom, it is also full of mysteries and the resolution of conflict.

peace comes from peace

derek

Wow, you're right. we are saying the same thing. I guess that's why your phrasing put a huge smile on my face immediately, because it resonated with me instantly and verbalised my ideas perfectly. I've already written it down at the bottom of my page of my 5 wishes, very simple wishes.

Thank you so much for these words Derek. It's funny how when words are strung together in just the right way, they can change... everything. And a string of words that touches me might not touch someone else. But what a gas when you read that perfect string of words. (I think that's the first time I've ever said 'gas' like that)

Sharon

derek,
it's wonderful to hear you say (what you have often written from the moment you first arrived at IB
'peace comes from peace'

Your voice is soft yet carries the joyful meaning you convey ....
oh so nice!

your voice again,
the last i hear before I fall into dreams...

thanks .... ~~~ Kate

Sharon and Kate
I am humbled again
thank you for your kindness

I have created a month off from commissioned works to pursue some of my personal pieces. I am sooooooooooo excited.
The inspiration that I get here is priceless to my creativity. I feel such a powerful wave coming. I may have to ditch the rowboat and grab a surfboard.

derek

In terms of pure biological evolutionary theory we are accidents. Evolution focus on speciation, and it seems, it comes as a renaissance reaction to middle age idea of "created by God(as an anthropomorphic being)" So to deny that(just
as early Christianity denied Greek values) western post-renaissance philosophy and science have managed to give the idea that we are "just" accidents. I respect that view as I respect the middle age view, but my experience tells me we are manifestations of the WHOLE. The ALL. I am not created by God(in the antropomorfic sense) nor am I an accident(sorry Darwin) Excuse me westen meddle agers/ and Greek/renaissance fanatics.
I am what I am.

In terms of pure biological evolutionary theory we are accidents. Evolution focus on specialization, and it seems, it comes as a renaissance reaction to middle age idea of "created by God(as an anthropomorphic being)" So to deny that(just
as early Christianity denied Greek values) western post-renaissance philosophy and science have managed to give the idea that we are "just" accidents. I respect that view as I respect the middle age view, but my experience tells me we are manifestations of the WHOLE. The ALL. I am not created by God(in the anthropomorphic sense) nor am I an accident(sorry Darwin) Excuse me western meddle agers/ and Greek/renaissance fanatics.
I am what I am.

You're okay Raffey ;))