Well if my duped sleep-walking fellow poor human beings would only realize the "American Dream" is in truth simply a nightmarish concoction of the ruling class to keep us paralytically slumbering on paying taxes and praying to God for delieverance; if they would only realize that we have the numbers, and the moral highground;

Marx shall be vindicated damn it!

Revolution!

pax vobiscum

One might wonder if God has not come to answer their prayers.

There are a lot of applicable comments in the Can the Mystery of Consciousness Be Solved Objectively? IntetBlog Thread about the many being duped.

There is great effort to maintain the old consciousness and resistance to the new consciousness.

One of the reasons the poor stay poor is actually poor nutrition which impairs their brains and inhibits learning especially on a diet of cheap carbohydrates which blocks certain amino acids needed to form excitatory neurotransmitters in the brain. Another

The rich can drink water without Fluoride for example which the Nazi’s found to cause neurological impairment.

Maybe Moses will happen along soon to lead the people from bondage.

It also seems with the in the Internet censorship in the US and UK they are trying to treat people like mushrooms and keep them in the dark this subject is covered in the other thread I mentioned above with links.

One of them is about the censorship of Atheist and Paranormal Sites.

Dear Deepak, I had this strange line of thought that came last week and I just saved it but it seems fitting for this.

But first I will add Religion has been used to get people to accept poverty conditions. There is no reason to for anyone to live in poverty; all of God’s children should live in abundance. That any live in poverty is an abomination to the Lord. Furthermore that the Roman Catholic church hoards gold and wealth while children starve really tells us something about the nature of the individuals running this institution. Let us hope these individuals evolve. Yes sacrifice and some day in the future you will get great rewards in Heaven. No wonder so many of the well to do support religion. The

Let there be Heaven on Earth NOW! Thus the Lord saith

I actually do watch a little TV. I saw this thing on some untouchables that do this job nobody wants to do. Technically this job should be earning the highest wages, higher wages than a doctor for example.

If we put it into perspective we can see why. It's easy to go two weeks without a doctor if you know what to feed your body, and can, you can go decades without seeing a doctor. But try going two weeks without waste management.

It demonstrates the importance of waste management in society.

So the thought is we form the Untouchable Union.

Turn waste into Gold a genius idea.

Sounds like a divine plan to me.

And the Lord continued…..

One other thing your religious leaders have deceived you in my name. They say to pray for things and sit home passive. On the contrary I am the all knowing, the omniscient. I know what you need and want before you even think it! In fact I know what you need better than you do. Do not pray to me for things but form your intention in alignment with the divine intention, so that I might deliver to you.

So in prayer we focus our attention on the divine concept, all as one and one as all. Then we go out and make our voices heard to destroy the fictions that gives birth to the injustice and we stand in body so that they can feel our presence, my presence, and when they ask by whose authority do you come tell them “the truth is my authority”.

Dear Dr. Chopra and everybody,

In regard to what Richard said in Posting No. 2, "There is a great effort to maintain the old consciousness and resistance to the new consciousness". This truism is addressed by Michael Tsarion on Youtube.com in his video, "Michael Tsarion on Consciousness and Future of the Human Race". He describes the situation most comprehensively. In the video, Dr. Chopra is quoted on his idea about Photons. I highly recommend this video.

Also, a Mr. Jordan Maxwell has made some most astute observations regarding - Religion being incorported into an economic and political movement and the American public having been deliberately dumbed down so that their very souls and life force may be controlled by others.

Best Wishes,

"Betsy" S.

>> Religion being incorported into an economic and political movement and the American public having been deliberately dumbed down so that their very souls and life force may be controlled by

I don't think that it's this bad in reality. Only some small segments of society get a brain washed like this, and quite a lot people are aware of it and consciously ignore it. You also have to realise that America is the only western country where religion is publically aired, its basically a taboo subject everywhere else in the western world.

If you compare it to real brain washing like the nationalism that hit Yugoslavia and convinced people to go kill their neighbours, well religion as an opiate is frankly pretty minor. It's not much worse then giving every poor person an XBox 360 to play with.

By the way, really good post Deepak. Keep it up.

Hello Dr. Chopra,

I disagree with your paraphrasing of this question as, "Excuse me, how does it feel to be poor?" Polls ask as many questions as your mind can imagine, and they ask them to many different segments of the population. This is a question directed at low-wage workers regarding the role of God and faith during tough times. I've been a low-wage worker and experienced these tough times. Even now, if it weren't for the love and support of my parents opening their home to me and my son, I could not afford rent or utilities on the wages I earn. Taken literaaly this question is simply a question, one that I would not be offended to answer. And I am an educated person; I consider myself to be an independent thinker, not brain-washed. I agree with stevesnz that most low-wage workers are not brain-washed.

Does this question strike a chord with you, in your heart? Why do you take offense to it?

Second, you say,
"It also validates, if validation was needed, that clinging to religion is a very real phenomenon, one that has its own dignity and worth."

The question asks the role of God and faith, it does not ask the role of religion. I disagree that these 2 are interchangeable.

Do you think they are interchangeable?

Next, you say,
"If I am being asked what sustains me in economic hard times, my answer isn't conventional religious piety but a new vision of possibilities. Such a vision must be spiritual at its core."

You seem to be assuming that "God and faith" is the same as "religious piety", when it could just as easily be understood as the spiritual vision which you turn to in economic hard times. Your spiritual vision involves both faith and some sort of concept of God.

Last, you say,
"Give the poorest people -- and everyone else -- the tools to expand their own awareness, and heartless questions about how it feels to be poor won't be necessary anymore."

I suggested in the "Irrelevance of Superpowers" thread that the least among us, I was referring to the poorest, be given access and the opportunity to learn to meditate.

What tools are you referring to in your statement? Who do you feel should be the one or ones to provide these tools to the poor?

I contacted the Chopra Center back in December '07 after reading 2 of your books because I wanted to find people in my area offering classes on meditation, yoga, etc. A wonderful person, Kali, connected me to another wonderful person, Odell, here in the St. Louis area. I contacted him and learned that the primordial sound meditation class would cost me around $300. That is not in my budget, but I wasn't discouraged. Because what I wanted to do more than anything was just get together with other people who have been inspired by your books, and just talk, exchange ideas, grow, laugh. It turned out that my desire to form this group inspired Odell. Together we worked on this. In the meantime, he taught me primordial sound meditation free of charge because I brought something to him that helped him move along on his path. A group of about 8 people now exists and meets regularly. They are putting on a fundraiser on August 30 to raise money to send the aunt of one of the member's boyfriend to the Soul of Healing Retreat at the Chopra Center in NY. She has been fighting cancer for quite some time and is looking to you for healing wisdom.

I really hope you will respond to my questions.

Thank you for your entry and for this forum.

Sincerely and with love,
Sharon

DEAR LORD:

Thank you for putting your love within my heart so that I can forgive my trespassers. Forgive me Dear Lord, as I forgive another. As is your will, in Jesus Christ name, I pray.

Amen.

Love, Char

Aloha Deepak and Everyone

"What role does God or your faith play in helping you get through tough financial times?" Well anyone who is there, will know the only place for them to go is up. God does what we can't do for ourselves.

There are three things we need to survive on a physical plane: food, shelter and transportation. Go to that place that is thought within you, visualize yourself with these three things; like see yourself riding the back of a great turtle, the rainbows filtering through the spray of his fins, hitting the rays of the sun giving you shelter, while eating a passion fruit. You will manifest. We live in a thought responsive universe. Continue what you normally do, and by getting out of the outcome it is a given. We are in Nirvana. love patty

I was thinking about this more and the solution and understanding isn't that so complex.

Tough financial times are really the result of fictions and a game. You see in the real economy the need for food, shelter, energy and transportation did not decrease.

We have a flawed value exchange system with leakage and imbalance. In order to participate in life these days one must participate in the system.

But who controls the system of accounting? Who has the power to create the symbolic units of value? Most people think the government prints money, actually most of it is digital. Who maintains this illusion? Why isn't the reality taught in school?

The next poll question if you all want to solve poverty problem. Rather than creating the illusion that financial hard times is a fact of nature, when it is really the creation of some men. We should ask, should the world's monetary systems be owned and controlled by a few private individuals or should they been owned and controlled collectively by the economic system participants.

Ask this question and you will shatter the illusion that the other one created.

There is something ironic I will explain in a bit.

Being poor sucks! Uhhh, peaceful anarchic services available for 1,000 dollars an hour . . .

Yeah! Right on cue Richard. My short response to "Creative Capitalism 101" "http://beta.intent.com/blog/2008/08/06/creative-capitalism-101

While I applaud Gate’s creative capitalism “sales pitch,” and your sentiment, Mr Boyce, “If you have an idea that gives away $100,000,000 in 24 months, I don't care if you're a charity, a non-profit, an NGO or a dam [sic] limited liability dual action reverse partnership. I'm going to say two things: Great idea. And thank you.” Alas, these ideals mask the true problem . . .

“Capitalism is not really just the economic system we work under, it is at its core human nature.”

People are innately selfish.

The above two statements are false! We have only been societally conditioned to believe in these two fallacies by the ruling class that has come to flourish thanks to the violent conquering of this continent and many other nations by our “forefathers” and current rulers. The people with the money and power want us to believe that we are “inherently” selfish, and that money is simply a value-free tool (money makes not values, men do, guns don’t kill people, people kill people) that allows us to live in a society of others (aye, the guns and money are the inventions of people ready to kill for their “values”): they have literally written the classroom history books as they now write domestic and foreign policy; for their benefit! They have even allowed us to discover that “our” manifest destiny was wrought of the genocidal subjugation of the indigenous masses, indeed, as if we could now do anything about it! We have been divided and conquered to the point of not even being able to conduct any “business” that does not involve money, business is money after all; in that we are taught to believe that money is the medium by which even the “business” of philanthropy is conducted.

As long as there is money and selfish intent, and a representative government predicated upon who has the most money, justice is but a chimera.

Peace

P.S. Down with the capitalist pig dog slavers! O yeah!

Aloha Deepak and Everyone

In being a co-creator with God, life is infinite sets. The poor understand life is like being at a restaurant where the menu says you may order three different sizes of drinks. The drinks are three different prices. And under each drink it says with unlimited refills. The cup runneth over even when you are poor and a co-creator with God who creates infinite sets. love patty

Amen Sharon! your wrote the words I couldn't, Thank You.

"Blessed are those"
Remember this one? Meek, Poor, what else?
" BLESSED ARE THESE "
Stupid, written only for ATTENTION! You got it, weak..

Dear Deepak Chopra,

Political solutions for political problems, no?

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411741_updated_candidates.pdf

According to calculations -- see the above link -- of the Tax Policy Center of the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution:

Barack Obama's tax plan would provide a rise in after-tax income of 5.4% for the bottom 20% of Americans in 2012. The top 1/10th of 1% of Americans would see a drop of 12.4%

John McCain's tax plan would provide a 0.9% rise in after-tax income for the bottom 20% of Americans in 2012. The top 1/10 of 1% would see a rise of 11.6%.

A few months ago, Robert Gordon at The Wonk Room pointed out a table showing a widening trend in the recent years in the economic disparity among the rich and the poor in America:

http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/03/17/1928-resemblances/

"Look at incomes for the top 1% of earners — the solid black triangles. You’ll see that in 2006, their share of the nation’s income (22.9%) reached its modern peak. The only year higher? 1928.

Another table shows that the top 10% in 2006 took a bigger share (49.7%) than at any point since 1917. The year 1928 was the runner-up.

Let’s hope that 2006 and 1928 don’t end up looking similar in other ways. If they do, it will be a good reminder that growth needs to be shared not just because it’s right, but also because it’ll last longer." – Robert Gordon

So good to see your post, Tammy. I was starting to worry I might be the next one out. But I had to speak my heart, and my mind. I wonder if he will respond...

I love you

How to make the best use of Food Stamps? - Here's an Excel tool that helps you figure out the healthiest way to survive on food stamps. Now if only the govt provided each food stamp recipient with a computer and MS Office so they could use this:

Outsmarting the Food Stamps Challenge

http://www.lavidalocavore.org/showDiary.do?diaryId=233

He wrote it for our " knee jerk reaction " because he wants our Attention( energy ), and you know what else, he's laughing his ass off because he's gettin called on his Stupid game.

This is a feeble plea for attention ( love )
What do you think Sharon?

I wouldn't hold your breath on a post back from Deepak Chopra, but stranger things have happened.

Hi Deepak,
I'm reminded of the movie Brother Sun, Sister Moon about Saint Francis of Assisi who speaks of the poor in spirit which widens the poverty range.

Those with more will give to those with less as ego dissolves and heart expands. It's the new world order.

Trish~~

Isn't Deepak enlightened though? I mean that in all sincerity. If this is really a game, is this the sort of game enlightened people play? And my reacting is proof that I'm not enlightened, which I already knew by the way.

Is that how this works?

gotta get to bed. tell me what you think.

love

And lets work on the much needed universal health care (again a political solution.) The demagogues can call it "socialized medicine" or whatever.

Do we really require additional verification or another study to further substantiate our national shame?

Well like it or not, here it is. This time from the august Annals of Internal Medicine.

www.pnhp.org/chronically_ill/ChronicallyIllProof.pdf

Millions With Chronic Disease Get Little to No Treatment
www.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/business/05health.html

Where indeed is the 'shame'?

So you may be scratching your head and wondering what do all these sick Americans do?

I've often asked myself the same question.

You may also be wondering why we have such an immoral and deplorable situation in the United States.

Here's why.

The parasitic middleman--the for-profit health insurance industry spends whatever it takes to maintain the status quo. This industry paid politicians almost half a billion dollars in 2007.

www.kaisernetwork.org/Daily_Reports/print_report.cfm?DR_ID=51546&dr_cat=3

Let's return to the situation on the ground. Have a look.

MASH hospitals.

This is what millions of Americans are forced to do:

link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1691028268/bclid1704094712/bctid1711761255

People line up before dawn, they wait patiently for hours. These American citizens are triaged. And they wait some more.

Many of these people are in profound physical pain. They are hurting. Many have dental abscesses and seriously decayed teeth. You don't know pain until you've had a dental abscess.

Now look at this and hang your head in shame:

link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1691028268/bclid1704094712/bctid1711761773

For these people getting selected for treatment is like winning the lottery.

From across the sea, the civilized world looks at us --that's you and me--and cannot understand why we tolerate such a depraved state of affairs in the richest country on the planet.

Stan Brock is God's angel on earth and the founder of Remote Area Medical.

www.ramusa.org

Imagine this.

Remote Area Medical is as needed in the United States, the richest country on the planet, as it is in a Third World Country.

Yet John McCain runs ads featuring Paris Hilton.

This is what Brock said in a very recent interview in Newsweek.

And always, always remember that in the United States of America healthcare is a privilege NOT a right.

Pay or Die. Pay or Die. Pay or Die. Pay or Die. Pay or Die.

"Are you surprised by the turnout in the United States?

I don't know if surprised is the right word. I'm humbled that these people entrust their care to us, but I'm also saddened. These are good people who have just fallen through the cracks of a health care system. They don't have the money to buy their services, especially dental, and if they are employed, many plans have deductibles that are too high for these people. If you're a child in this country, chances are good that you will have coverage. It's the adults, these young adults and middle-aged adults, that need the most help.

. . .They are just hard-working people looking for help. They are in pain from rotten teeth, broken teeth. They can't afford routine care, and things can get out of hand quickly for them. It's a vicious cycle.

People have limited money, and what are they going to spend it on—food or a filling? By the time we see people, sometimes the best thing to do is an extraction. The teeth are so far gone, or if they could be saved, how is someone who has limited funds going to put gas in their truck and drive a good distance and pay money for continual upkeep? These people are hurting, and then they can't eat right because their mouths hurt. It's horrible. A lot of times their eyeglass prescription is so bad they can't see well. And they can't afford to see a doctor and get a new one. We have women who haven't had PAP smears in years, let alone a mammogram."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/150847

Pay or Die.

So if you're really sickened, outraged and weeping and you want to take action, here courtesy of Michael Moore:

www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/what-can-i-do/boxscore/index.php?action=print

I want to leave you with words of inspiration, not despair.

"To prevent this, there is a need to mobilize. History is not made by extraordinary figures but by ordinary people who can move mountains when they believe in a cause and get organized. It has happened all over the world, and it has happened in the U.S. We saw it in the establishment of the New Deal, Social Security, unemployment insurance, job creation, minimum wage, and subsidized housing, among other programs. These were not just the outcome of President Roosevelt's position, but the result of huge social agitation and mobilization. As usually happens in historical moments of societal change, government leaders were not so much leading as trying to catch up with what millions of people were demanding. Similarly, the Great Society Programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, Environmental Protection Agency, NIOSH, OSHA, and many other examples of progressive legislation -- were the outcome of massive mobilizations. Candidate John Kennedy's proposals for change were rather moderate, and his domestic policies, once he was elected, were also disappointing. But the mobilization triggered by his election was followed by many more, such as Appalachian coal miners' strikes against their working conditions, the splendid civil rights movement led by Martin Luther King, and the ant Vietnam War movement led by student groups. They all established a political climate in which progressive legislation could occur. History, indeed, does not repeat itself. But it offers us pointers on where to go. And it should be obvious that change will not occur unless there is a huge mobilization to complete the unfinished agenda of civil rights: a full development of social rights, with the human right to access to health care at the center."

I urge you to read the entire essay here:
www.alternet.org/story/79281/?page=entire

But it will be up to the American people to demand change.

There is hope in Spring, 2009.

Aloha Sharon

I don't know if you familiar with Eckhart Tolle, but I love how he shares the disabled are the real gurus for they have no choice but to live the extreme stress of being in a physical body on a daily basis. And how the those with trust funds really have a hard time understanding what they are depressed about.

In the world of nano, they have found there is plenty of room at the bottom:) the only place to go is up. And how wonderful for your parents not only having you at home, but their grandson. There is no greater relationship then parent and child.

People equate time to money. I don't know if you saw this video of Deepak sharing about time. And the person with the lightest suitcase travels the swiftest. We are one-non-duel breath, rich or poor. It is the Tao, to know the sweet you have to know the bitter, after that it is a state of attitude. love patty

oops sorry here is the link: http://www.intentblog.com/archives/video/

I'm laughing my ass off now! of course he's enlightened and so are you and I my dear! HE'S A DUDE! you know, JUST a dude, BUT one very important thing is, HE has OUR attention. Hell, we could be blogging at some other random dudes blog, but where not we are here, chattering away at HIS website, why is this Sharon?
I have to sleep now, as well.
I love you too.

Oh and one more thing, the integrity around here is quite, low folks change there " Posted by " name as often as most brush there teeth. F Y I

You can't can't me now, can you? Billy goat, and you never will..

Oh and one more thing, the integrity around here is quite, low folks change there " Posted by " name as often as most brush there teeth. F Y I

You can't CATCH me now, can you? Billy goat, and you NEVER will..

You don't even know if this is Tammy, Bonnie, or Fred, do you? Do you?

Sorry...

"People equate time to money. I don't know if you saw this video of Deepak sharing about time. And the person with the lightest suitcase travels the swiftest. We are one-non-duel breath, rich or poor. It is the Tao, to know the sweet you have to know the bitter, after that it is a state of attitude. love patty"

The United States for most of it's existence as a nation has been a society for the privileged and the deprived. As long as the deprived were relatively easy to identify, their existence served as an example to keep the majority in line and grateful for the few privileges they were accorded by the elite.

Then came the effort to realize the promise of the Constitution by insuring equal rights. Which the elite privileged have resisted with all their might. And there's a good reason for that. The reason is that the elite NEED the underprivileged and deprived to define themselves. People who are equal don't need to compare themselves to someone else, but the elite need to be certain whom they are better than.

Consequently there's been an effort to find a new definition for the elite (money seems a good base) and, to secure their position, an expansion of the proportion of the population that they are better than--if people want to be equal, let them be equally deprived and the one percent will be that much better off.

I think that the reality that anyone (including, obviously, spiritual crooks) who accumulates enough money can, theoretically, move into the ruling elite, has disguised the very existence of that elite. Besides, most people really don't care that some people are filthy rich. What they didn't expect was that the elite weren't content to be filthy rich; they also want to rule and tell everyone else how to run their lives.

In the political realm this has to do with health care. Keeping a population in a state of misery does make it easier to rule them, don't you think? After all, the only thing that's definitely limited is how much time each of us has on this earth. Those who steal our time, steal our very lives.

In the New Age business, this situation in America is a jack pot.

2-27. Good stuff everybody! Thank you.

Miss asks, "Who do you feel should be the one or ones to provide these tools to the poor?"

Well the short answer is: the rich people as long as it is a non-monetary tax write-off investment!

You think the rich and powerful are going to listen to any poor people, let alone "give until it hurts?" The only people that give til it hurts are moronic poor people giving to their pastors, televangelists, and being taken from by this government and it's corporate sponsors!

PLEASE . . .

But I do give Dr. Chopra credit for talking to us and not oozing smugness, and if he is truly an aristocrat who thinks we are but ants, he hides it pretty well.

And believe me, I give very few rich people the benefit of the doubt!

I am a Marxist, aye even a Christian one, and we have most certainly been duped!

pax vobiscum

Dear Deepak,
The flip side of capitalism is the ruthlessness with which it flushes out the poor( or the lowest rung of society) If you ever wonder why most job cuts are at the lower and middle level? In fact they have the least say in company affairs while the top management in most cases does bring the company/organization to its knees to force job cuts.They often say "Life isn't fair" Sure it isn't..But why this applies only to the poor and the downtrodden. All this talk of higher consciousness evaporates when a family does not know from where its next meal is going to come from.

Aloha John

I hear what you are saying, and it is important not to throw the baby out with the bath water. I heard many years ago, the US is the Adult Child of a Dysfunctional World. I feel a new earth is rising. 2012 is happening now, if we believe it or not:) Barbara Hand Clow shares the days of the elite are over. The elite are just caught up in projecting the dance of our past fear of the cataclysm catastrophe, of 11,500 years ago. We are a traumatized species.

I work in Health Care. And on another site and someone suggested hemp with thc, to someone whom was diagnosed as terminal. Are you familiar with Phoenix Tears? http://www.phoenixtears.ca/wwip.html

The government drug cartels amaze me.... how California can pass a law for medical marijuana and the feds can over ride it. Barbara Boxer now wants states water rights.. where environmental companies can sue.. Daniel Inyoue wants to give the rights to the Coast Guard...And then there are the vaccines... Each of us has to be self-governing of our ethics and health care. Try for what we want and take what we get.. with gratitude.. for some how it works out for our highest good.

I too like Michael Moore as Alex Jones.. and Coast to Coast..
love patty

Hi Sharon,

You have answered your questions to Deepak in exactly the way he is giving people the tools to expand their awareness.

And if you read back your comments # 7 carefully you will become aware of that yourself.

After reading Deepak's books, what did you want the most?

And what did you already accomplish by desiring that? :)

Much love,

Mieke

Re. #22 patty

It is a very convincing picture. But where is all of this actually happening? Notice that right now, absolutely everything perceivable or conceivable is inside of you, inside of awareness. You can think about 'somewhere else,' you can imagine and conceptualize it, but that thought is always happening here, in present awareness.

Hence my assertion that most of the spiritual path is plainly psychological. Those who advertise their services as gurus would do well by themselves and their students if they were trained in one of the therapeutic modalities.

Those gurus who ignore, eschew, or are ignorant of the psychological do so at the peril of their students, and quite possibly of their indemnity as
untrained counselors.

I remember, when I was a kid, born just after world war II, my father and mother were very poor.

My father had not been allowed to study. His elder 3 brothers had been. He was the fourth and together with his younger brother was not that "lucky" because there was not left any money.

So he did not earn that much, but enough to give us simple meals to eat.

Yet my father had a dream: making movies. He pursued this dream his whole life.

I remember he had a kind of apparatus (this is still before television was available)with which he could show us mute films and animations. He called this his "magic lantern". Instead of reading us stories, he showed us stories.

Afterwards I realize that it was not a surprise that we had already a television in our house long before others did, despite being poor. But we never had to ate less because of it :)

And I remember the wonderful afternoons, when every child in our street was invited to come and look at the special children programs in the beginning of the fifties.

During his whole life, with all the ups and downs present he always could find solace in this wonderful hobby and develop it. Guess he taught us already at a very young age to pursue our dreams.

If you really desire something, ways for this will open by themselves.

For me it has been the same. Listen deeply to yourself, listen to the signals of your body, listen to your inner voice.

It is all one needs, really :)

"Hence my assertion that most of the spiritual path is plainly psychological. Those who advertise their services as gurus would do well by themselves and their students if they were trained in one of the therapeutic modalities. Those gurus who ignore, eschew, or are ignorant of the psychological do so at the peril of their students, and quite possibly of their indemnity as untrained counselors." --Freyja

By extrapolation, those in the guru game who themselves harbor major unsuspected or unresolved psychological "issues" can go beyond merely ineffective -- they can be and often are quite dangerous for those who presume that realization "blows out" such abnormalities. The admixture of a severely traumatized and/or sociopathic psyche and the common assumptions of "spear-chill" culture is a potent and poisonous brew, made all the worse by the high percentage of neurotic folks that tend to be attracted to said culture.

Tammy. Patty, Mieke (or whoever you are)

I am here because being here I feel my heart.

I love you all so much, I am crying again. And I have to leave for work shortly, gather up my beautiful sleeping boy in my arms and take him to the most wonderful place where he gets to play with other little children and be himself under the care of the most wonderful woman, all for nearly nothing in cost to me.

: .. )

Will see you soon my friends
Sharon

and thank you Deepak for this place. you must be a genius or something. or the opposite? who knows

PS "...all for nearly nothing in cost to me." thank you state of Illinois for this.

Dear Deepak

Have you thought perhaps you're being condescending towards the poor? I do. Who says they can't handle such questions? Who says making their plight more understandable to others via a poll's questions is a bad thing? Maybe a formerly poor person wrote the poll.

That it was you who questioned the poll says more to me about you than it does about the poll or poor people's take on the poll questions.

Unless you have evidence that a number of those questioned were offended by the poll, this seems like a brewed-up tempest in a teapot.

A better use of energy for concern for the poor is to walk amongst them, live like them, and come away with some of their knowledge of life. Or help some of them become less poor.

love, h

Hey everyone
I have been monetarily poor my whole life. I never found money all that exciting.
I live a rich and rewarding life beyond my expectations. I have always had food shelter and friends. I have traveled with little effort and everything I have ever wanted I have created in my life.

Money and poverty are a state of mind just like wealth is a state of mind. If your desire is to have a lot of money then you have to have the mindset of doing what it takes to become wealthy. You also can not be prejudice towards wealthy people if you desire wealth.

Some of the richest people in the world often have no money and some of the most bankrupt people have piles of money and vise versa.

I have lived on the streets and I have lived in beautiful mansions. There is no difference how I feel about my heart no matter where I wake up in the morning.

Money is an illusion. Our world can live on without it if we so desire.

There are very poor rich people and very rich poor people.
There are very rich rich people and very poor poor people.

life is a mix

derek

Dear Meiki, that was a wonderful story. It made my heart warm. I for a short time used Magic Lantern as a moniker so it was a message from the divine to me.

The magic lantern became "the Father of motion pictures, and the Grandfather of television."

My mother was born just before the war in Ipswich England so I heard much about war and was raised to bring an end to all war and "unresolved" conflict and to bring Peace.

She told a similar story my great grandmother had the first TV in the neighborhood and everyone would come over and gather to watch. As I understand it my British grandmother married a commoner my Grandfather of course. So some of my relatives are billionaires, and some are working class. The American side of my family came from Germany and most were in the Military so I was raised to protect the constitution and freedom and I also had a British uncle that was in both the Royal Air Force and the US Air Force. I have lived in Luxury and Poverty. So that is part of my storyline…

I think we should all realize that when everyone without exception is communicating they are attempting to communicate a truth, however quite often it is distorted by fiction so it comes out warped.

Like it says on Buddha.me “being human is a challenge fit for a God.”

I commend everyone for their struggle to live the truth in a world of fiction yet have faith for now the light comes to cast out the darkness of ignorance.

One last thing, I met a formidable aspect of God, I have no doubt this thing could toss an entire galaxy across the Universe with a single thought. It does not speak and imparts knowing. It is the commander and Chief of this world, it owns the planet and it makes the laws of the universe. So to the leadership of the world I say lay down your arms in Peace for your weapons and armies are no match for this entity; remember what happened in 1962 at the US and Soviet nuclear facilities.

There is a technology, that is not given to any one nation, and it is not given to the control of the few, it is given to the collective control of the many.

Remember we integrate the polarities to achieve balance.

That is the storyline…

dear Deepak,
'Our knowlegde about poverty is enormous'
could also be our knowledge about poverty is miniscule - since the problem as you stated still exists!
~ Kate

Hi Heather,
I think a good start is helping financially, and with one's time - to a family, or organization.
One joy is to be a big sister, or brother.
I love children, and it's my way of sharing from what I have.
Caring and inspiration - can create miracles.
love,
~ Kate

Deepak- we are all one thing, but our functions are not the same, so all can not be equal as we wish. The big toe is not the heart of the body, the heart's function is very necessary and different from the big toe. I can not make them the same. Everything/everyone is here to serve the purpose. Everything does not serve equally. There is only one thing. For entertainment read Anne Ryan. Please have compassion/love for all things, Animals, plants, as well as humans alike.

Sorry -that should be Ayn Rand, never dictate and let your grandchildren write for you.

"Poverty = Where strength breaks and courage surrenders.. North"

http://www.myspace.com/northdesigns

Hello Deepak and Everyone,

Deepak you write, "Forty years after Michael Harrington's groundbreaking book, "Poverty in America," which launched the War on Poverty with high ideals that never materialized, our knowledge about poverty is enormous, but our will to attack the problem is slim."

Hmmmmmm, that ole "ideal high" doesn't amount to much but it sure can "uplift" if even for the moment. Sorry, I couldn't resist and I got "a thing" about the "ideal speak" because I have come to the conclusion that if one takes care of the simple basics, is attentive to those, mindful of that which is needed, then, the ideal has the room to flower..there isn't even the need for idealism when one is attentive to the actual reality of the situation and moving, from that, forward, it will happen of it's own accord.

Poverty is not rocket science material, it is plain and simple, one plus one equals two but our world is filled with the few who refuse to allow one plus one to work for another because the few want it all, and those few are simply not being watched, given attention to, or re-directed by the keepers of the checkbooks.....how close do we American citizens watch how all our tax dollars are spent...my guess is....we don't really watch at all.

I'm babbling again,

but, recently, I watched a show about "Teach America"(I think it is called that) anyway it is about smart young graduates being enlisted to teach in poor neighborhoods, tough areas of the citites.

One little boy, about ten, was living in a motel with his three siblings and his mother, who was being treated for cancer, living in a motel room, that was their home, he was awakened in the night by his mother's crying, and he would try to comfort her and then he would get himself up and out the door to go to school and try to pay attention and to learn. This boy, lived a bare bones existence with his mother, their only protection against the street was, most likle,y a welfare check, really, they had so little, yet this boy glowed when spoken to about his situation, and he glowed with the simple "faith" of putting one foot in front of the other, he had what he had, maybe, tomorrow, would be better, maybe not, he was living his lot in life. He was born into a situation stacked high with obstcales blocking the view of any possibilities, as many in this world are, born, into situations where just having to remove obsticales takes up all their time and energy, this could even take a whole lifetime for some. My point, he may be successful in his life, he may not, but, in the moment I saw him he was "faith" itself, manifested and it was beautiful, hopeful, completely open, and trusting...now that "faith" manifested, as this child or in that child may be extinquished before it has a chance to blossom but somehow that is not as important as the fact that "faith" went as far as it could with what it had to work with.....

So, for the folks who's view of possibilities is blocked and has been blocked for generations what is not blocked is their "faith" in life itself, which is, of course, god given, it is simple bare bones "faith" itself in manifestation...trying and trying again to inch itself forward with little to nothing to work with but it does not take no for an answer, it seems.

oh, well, babbling again...have a nice day all, ruth

MississippiHippie #7, heath #37

Excellent posts

Regards

Re: #32

Aloha Freyja

"Those gurus who ignore, eschew, or are ignorant of the psychological do so at the peril of their students, and quite possibly of their indemnity as untrained counselors."

There is a lot of power in being a victim. A person who is victim of a crime is able to shift into forgiveness before the perpetrator because the perpetrator doesn't believe they haven't done anything wrong.

It is like government. I get caught up in justified anger. After awhile I begin to question why am I feeling like a victim, and what is government? And the answer comes: government is nothing more than a loose coalition of bureaucracy. And I am able become my own government through forgiveness. I shift to the realization I am that I am. Subjectivity is very important. No one can do anything to myself, unless I have done it first. The payoff is peace in multi-worlds/universes.

Free will only becomes a gift when given. Forgiveness is the most powerful weapon there is. And there are those who allow us to practice giving a Love that asks for nothing.

love patty

And Freyja

I just want to add the miracle of our mind is its ability to forget. Through the love of self-forgiveness we become whole minded. Life is like the river where we can never step into the same place twice. The angels are always in all ways, as always are coming. love patty

Thank you Richard #39.

Through your story I remembered that my father had quite some English soldier friends, just after the war, who still were present in our country.

It might very well be possible that he had received this magic lantern from one of them :).

Love,

Mieke

The world is the ultimate magic lantern.

Magic Lantern Castle Museum Click My Name

The Magic Lantern is the earliest form of slide projector. The first published image of the device appeared in Ars Magna Lucis et Umbrae, by Athanasius Kircher in the late 1600's. Images were painted on glass and projected on walls, cloth drapes, and, sometimes, on a wet cloth from behind the "screen".

Naturally, to see images appear, either from a lantern, that heretofore was a light source only, or onto a screen, was "magical" in those early days.

With the advent of photography in the mid-1800's, it became possible to produce black-and-white images on glass in greater numbers. Still, they had, for the most part, to be hand-tinted or painted until reliable color photographic processes became available much later. Some slides were made by applying decals or transfers to the glass.

Until movies came along, in the mid-to-late 1890's, the magic lantern was the sole projection device available.

Though glass slides would indicate a still image, many innovations in magic lantern design and construction, as well as slide design (moving layers of glass images), allowed dissolving images, movement, and special effects

Hi Richard,

Thanks for that link :). Very interesting!

It made me Google the Dutch word for it: "Toverlantaarn" and I discovered a wonderful site about this magic lantern, both in Dutch and in English: http://www.luikerwaal.com/

I do not know if you have seen the opening of the Olympic Games in Beijing. The projections the Chinese produced on that large "paper roll" in the middle of the stadion with beamers was a kind of Magic Lanter to me too :)

Thanks for all the information, much appreciated :)

Love, Mieke

Hey Derek,

What you wrote in #38 is like ________

Click my name to fill in the blank.

According to one of my Chinese friends, today is a big day for financial wealth, as the number 8 is that magical number. We are all so excited about the Olympics in Beijing and a well of wealth it will bring to a country that needs it most. The 8 p.m. China time is another added bonus for financial wealth to be successful. Really, how can China not gain in this needed economy boost. Plus, I think the exposure of China to other cultures is very important for their continued growth to be a global partner. It all just takes time for change, so this is a very good event. The good thing about it for me this morning is that there was hardly any traffic on the road on my way to work. Now, I have to make that magic number for me today!

Love, Char

Hi Mieki,

I love things that have to do with light it's my favorite toy. :)

Unfortunatley I missed the opening. I will mention that when I went to see the Dali Lama and Richard Gere in Ann Arbor I met a bunch of the Chinese protesters, they were very nice, and the most well behaved peacful humble protesters I have ever seen. I think we can work things out for Tibet.

The Divine is bringing into alingment and building the framework for full scale divine intervention.

Have Faith and look to the East the Son is Rising.

.........money can't buy it...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CjBgIe9WkE

Yep . . .

awesome video

Hi Ruth (#46)

I loved "Teach America". And I loved the story about the 10 year old little boy, his obstacles and his approach to them.

What you say about faith and it's power *sigh and smile*.

"For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you."

Matthew 17: 20-21

Thank you , Ruth.

Have a great day all,
love
Miss Hipp

What have I done to deserve this?

Ignorance get fixed
You were witness
Thinking and helpless

You have elevated your mind over the abyss
Bricks by bricks
To sky-level, where there is no limits

Look at me now
The rain is not reaching my land
An umbrella of lies and tricks

How come, now you are asking for my name
How come you are asking my services
To clean the floor of your pain

My friend, stop to come with excuses
Level by level, get out of your office
Let's meet at this place where everything started...

You always wanted a lover
I only wanted a job
Ive always worked for my living
How am I gonna get through?
How am I gonna get through?

I come here looking for money
(got to have it)
And end up living with love, oh, oh
Now you left me with nothing
(cant take it)
How am I gonna get through?
How am I gonna get through?