WOW! I was just pondering upon how were were going to solve that 'accidental creation/unintelligent existence' and along comes this excellent post of Avtar's! Thank you for bring up these thoughts for all of us to ponder upon :-) and what a treat!

Love, Char

dear Avtar,
Hi - nice to see you back at IB.

Maybe the purpose of Life
is to enjoy being a part of Creation.

Meaning and purpose,
Isn't that a human construct?
(Or - is it in your opinion
A Divine Construct?)

love,
~ Kate

p.s.
I know accidents happen,
but if each accident which occurs
were... taken apart, piece upon layered piece
(like peeling an onion)
the reason for the 'accident'
could be explained.
?

Nice Dr. Singh.

"Atoms form about 4% of the total mass density of the observable universe"

http://[DELINKER]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom

Yep.

pax vobiscum

#2 My onion crop has been below par this season, Kate.....retirement plot, old rot.

Dear Avtar, so glad you are persevering with us.

Dear Avtar,

Great to see you back here :)

Just to inform you, the Youtube link to the Big Question does not work. I receive the message: "This video has been removed by the user".

But there is of course another way to be informed at Youtube about this Big Question, so I googled it there and here is a link for anyone interested in it:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=The+big+question%3A+Why+are+we+here%3F&search_type=&aq=f

Here one can find already more than 1600 videos about the subject, with Richard Dawkins three-part video as the first 3 selections.

What I found interesting in Richard Dawkins´ 3 parts on the Big Question was his own conviction that a human being is an Intelligent Design that through Nature has developed it´s survival tool: the human brain:

To set goals, the capacity for foresight, becoming part of a non-genetic evolution. Through language s/he became aware to be able to share those goals.

We have become an animal who invents and by that we see the world differently. By inventing we set our own goals.

To me these videos show that human being is capable to find everything in him/herself, something Deepak has been confirming to us all the time. Richard Dawkins does the same.

So for me there is no contradiction. Perhaps the only question that remains for me is: what is intuition?

Will we be able to measure intuition? Is intuition the 96%. I guess if it can all be found in ourselves we are still at the beginning of a very wide adventure: as wide as all reality.

Love,
Mieke

Can there be a new purpose a new solution to this Big Question? Which can give us satisfaction? The question which has been carried on from the time of human existence , still man is not satisfied with the ultimate era of revolution in science and technology? Somewhere at the back of mind the pointer always stress this point that dissatisfaction cannot occure unless there is a possibility to transcend further , do we have to go any further in evolution with mind and matter? Has the time come where we take a call on obsessed progress one after the other in science and technology? Which some times add fear of unknown chaos on this planet with many many explained obvious possibilities? which if looked at far end points towards the complete extinction of life? In other words PRALYA. we are reaching the end because we have been fighting against the nature , where as we have never asked nature itself where to STOP!!

COUNT DOWN BEGINS

What is a child birth?
Its mere flux of our body
Its an excretion of what we consumed
Like any other unwanted materials our body excrete
Though the whole process of cause and effects
Makes a cycle in itself on this planet
Striking a balance? Up till now?
But life proved to be a curse for it, till now
Causing disturbance, consuming, what good are we doing to it?
Thus said the wise , human birth is a pain!
This is why the call for celibacy I guess
Stop reproducing, stop the factory of human
As mind body and material
Evolve, evolve and evolve to the verge of no more REbirths
To stop pain, stop consuming
Lets not prison the consciousness in many forms
In human and in living species
Let it be the whole as (must be) on any other planets
As one big cell
Human life is a curse to Earth?
Lets finish up with the business of object, observe and observer
Lets finish up with ourselves
And plunge into Mahasamadhi

I think a little of what science is saying is true; no one or being intentionally designed the universe before hand. It just happened, however it does follow complex laws that science struggles to understand. The science of consciousness seems like the ever present shadow that science forgets to explore, in the light of the obvious exploration. ~Kurt~

#6 Forbear me, mitra, I am not au fait with your religious terms.
Nature is our Mother.
Someday soon the umbilical must be severed one way or another. Then we may survive on that which cannot be severed. Attempting to realise that through the umbilical is futile. The real connection is in the blink of an Eye and umbilical its afterbirth. We will either realise or be realised. Mother will see to that, no matter how we might linger at perceived security.

Intuition, possibly a smidgeon of wishful thinking!

I think the problematic word here is accidental. Really, can anything be called accidental? Just because we don’t understand the cause we call it accidental. I guess that’s where the words ‘intelligent design” comes to play, but that doesn’t properly label it either, its more like precision evolution. ~Kurt~

Dear Avtar
I was thinking about Deepak's question on Sunday when a huge thunderstorm came through and I lost connection to the electric grid.

It always amazes me that what we see jacks up the odd quotient of what we don't see. What we see locally is the prevailing conditions as they say on the weather report.

I am reminded of Edward Lorenz's butterfly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

Lorenze demonstrated, by studying long term weather patterns, that there is a hidden coherence in all that appears incoherent. I think too that the entire universe is a coherent
occurence and nothing happens by chance or accident. Everything influences everything and is in perfect balance.

Perhaps it is us who are out of balance as we cannot see the prevailing conditions in the entire universe.

Yo Derek: this is for you!

Everything Influences Everything

Love
b

Avtar,
Thanks for the YouTube comments about spontaneity. Reminds me of emotions and the quality of that field of spontaneity. If our emotions and intuitive nature are mucked up and stuck there is no seeing or hearing anything other than ego dramas. This is a purposeless state of being due to limited identity and expression.

To move beyond surface ego with its dominant mental mind and to include deeper intuition and imagination is to evolve in meaning and purpose. This union creates a spark in a living and breathing universe and is a driving force.

I don't know about the universe as a purposeless accident. That's not how my relationship feels in this vast space in which I dance and have expression. This expression IS purpose...it's nowhere else to be found. Purpose moves inside out, invisible to visible, high vibration to low vibration...through spontaneous emission.

What is it that is emitting within and without? What is this living and breathing dance? What is it's purpose? There is nothing but purpose anything less is not spontaneous emission.

Thanks, Avtar, for this exchange of dancing orbs of light through mind, heart and body. Who is right, what is right, is beside the point. The dancing exchange is the point...laser beam-like.

Love,

Trish~~

Yo Bonnie
And everything is in perfect balance even us, how could we not be.

An accident can have just as much purpose as a plan.

Hey Avtar
This is just my silly opinion and kinda advicy but I think you should stop looking towards all those smart people for answers and ask you grandmother what she thinks. You know eventually science will discover that grandmothers hold the secrets to life. Yo

derek

The intellect drowns in
The Unbounded Ocean of Love.
Todd

In continuation of Todd....

Where there is no question
Not even the question of purpose
You Are
I Am
What Is Is.

nice

Buddha .me actually is in agreement with Dawkins

Excerpt from there click name for more.

-The purpose and reason of your existence-

As for your own purpose you must define it, hopefully one of quality, then again you may have already done so and simply forgot.

As for the purpose and reason of your existence.

the omniscient cherishes surprise

the omnipresent loves being on location

the omnipotent loves challenge

the only way The One can experience these things

is as you

Hence the One Being the Many

So we create purpose.

Is there an intelligent impetus?

The Supreme Evolutionary Principle

click my name.

Some years ago I articulated the number of accidental random mutations that would need to occur for a Wolf to become a Chihuahua in only ten thousand years; impossible from a systems analytical perspective to have occurred randomly by accident without an intelligent impetus. Some of them needing to occur concurrently, at that time some scientists started to evolve their theories seeing the flaws in them.

For required changes to occur concurrently at a minimum there must be some cellular level gestalt intelligence.

Interestingly this is the only species to achieve such a variety of form in such a short time and the contributing factor behind it?

Man's best friend. God spelled backwards.

Smart Dog Amazing! Intelligence coupled Dynamic DNA Alteration

Click my name..

Perhaps one of my most interesting more recent discoveries and assertions one has put forth is that while the form of various species have changed, and a variety have appeared, one has not been able to discover any proof that the core DNA has ever evolved which means it must have arrived intact.

Perhaps one of my most interesting more recent discoveries and assertions one has put forth is that while the form of various species have changed, and a variety have appeared, one has not been able to discover any proof that the core DNA has ever evolved which means it must have arrived intact.

But what is most surprising would be that your body, a carbon water based machine was engineered by scientists not of this world.

This was based on my analysis and assertion some 14 years ago that Junk DNA had a purpose because it seemed to contain a symbolic programming language. I have since been validated at least in this regard.

I speculated then that if it had been engineered then like any good scientist there would be tags, documentation, instructions and a signature of the engineering group responsible and that there would be some master code.

Dear Richard

In the case of the chihuahua and other specific dog breeds, the outcomes have been powerfully influenced by human choice, which compresses the natural selection cycle immensely. It's said that most of today's recognized breeds of dogs were developed in only the past 500 years or so. The chihuahua, quite an old breed, was a food source, if I recall correctly. No time at the moment to research & cite sources; maybe someone who knows more than me will say something about this.

The difference between dogs and wolves is not big, behaviorally. The partnership between wolves / dogs and humans was a natural one in cold climates, where the main source of protein in winter came from hunting prey animals. The connection between humans and the first wolves adapted to live with them is about 10k years, which is similar to the conjectured length of time that humans and horse species have been directly connected. In very cold climates, until recently there was deliberate, intermittent back-breeding of husky-type dogs to wolves, to improve hardiness and (unknowingly) keep the husky dog gene pool varied and robust.

Speaking of horses, many people know that North and South America had no horses until the Spaniards brought them in. But most don't know that true horses originated in North American (as Dinohippus), and spread out of the Americas into the world in successive waves of migration that were almost exactly opposite to the migration patterns of humans entering the Americas.

There is still so much we don't know. Accident a short word meaning 'something that happened in an abrupt or surprising way that we don't understand at the moment.'

love, h

The purpose of the life is to search for the purpose. To search is the purpose. More intense the search the less relavent is the question. At the highest point in search the question is totally irrelavent.

The purpose of the life is to search for the pupose. To search is the purpose. More intense the search the less relavent is the question. At the highest point in rearch the question is totally irrelavent.
Morris

Dear Ed,

#8 your last sentence:

"Intuition, possibly a smidgeon of wishful thinking!"

intrigued me, because in my life creativity has everything to do with intuition.

So I naturally googled the question what is intuition and the first answer was immediately right as far as I am concerned.

One can ask oneself: what is Intuition and at the same time one can ask oneself: what is Happiness.

On the site hereunder I found the answer to both questions and it confirms what I had already written in my Labyrinth of Peace more than 3 years ago: what is a human angel? a human angel is Unbridled Happiness.

That is why I asked Avtar this question because Intuition cannot be measured in a mathematical equation as far as I am concerned:

http://www.dhyansanjivani.org/what_is_intu.asp

From this site:
What is intuition:

The skill of being quiet mentally and emotionally so that there is actually room to listen

A less limiting model of reality which actually allows the ability of the mind to perceptually skip across time and space

An open ness to the outcome (play with intuition like a game)

Concentration

Open-mindedness about life (when we are biased, we tend to block intuition)

The ability to overcome our fears, doubts, our limited perceptions from past conditionings

The boldness to take small risks, more and more

Receptivity to receiving intuitive information

The ability to focus our attention intensely

The ability to pay attention (perceiving from an advanced level of awareness)

And really, to me this is all what matters in life :)

Love, Mieke

And of course this is a learning school, but if you are not prejudiced and open to all possibilities, intuition can become the language of the heart and brain together.

#23 Dear Meike,
Yes I was aware of your take on the subject and found it very agreeable.
I hoped you wouldn't think my reference to intuition related to your question to Avtar. I'm not sure that you did, rather that you wish to clarify.

Really, mitra's post triggered that apocolyptic strand in me and I went off down that road. My last sentence, which you are picking up on, was to say where this seemed to be coming from in me.

Intuition for me is experienced as a kind of imaginitive certainty in myself that requires some interpretation but is not based on normal reasoning. Since it does filter up through that more conscious level it is liable to be tainted by wishful thinking.
I was observing myself and perhaps telling mitra this was how I agreed with him/her.

Dear Avtar,

It appears that the Russian scientifc community is way ahead of us in understanding consciousness and how it affects matter. Dr. N.A. Kozyrev has given dramatic scientific evidence that all physical matter cmes from an invisible energy source called 'aether' (also currently referred to as zero point energy). He has observed a Spiral Structure behind life. He has observed the importance of sacred geometry and the Golden Mean or "Phi" spiral. His greatest and most controversial statement has been that the spiraling energy is in fact the true nature and manifestation of "time".

He states that every molecule in the entire body of the planet must be sustained by an ongoing flow of "aether" energy.

Torsion fields propagate through space and are capable of moving from one place to another in the universe, like gravity or electromagnetism. Kozyrev proved that these fields move at Superluminal Speeds, that are faster than light.

A strong emotional energy is also known to cause measurable reaction at a distance. This observation has encouraged the study of how mind affects matter (Psychoenergetics) by other scientists such as Dr. William A. Tiller of the U.S. He has witnessed psykokinetic and levitation experiments in Russia. He has conducted experiments in how, through the disciplined direction of intention, changes in matter may be accomplished. He has, through concentrated intention, imprinted devices with information which have been proven to hold this information for from three to six months and have transferred the information to other devices.

"Mind over Matter" seems to be the focus of the new physics. We appear to be on the road to recognizing the power of our God-given Creative Ability. It is imperative that before this becomes an accepted concept that mankind becomes able to utilize the power judiciously. At this point in time it is questionable as to whether our motives for using the information might be pure enough to justify our having the knowledge.

Best Wishes,

"Betsy" S.

Hi Ed,

Well, i guess in a way it did. But that triggered once again something in me that had been put a bit too much in my background lately. My inner peace :)

Lol, there are so many opinions and intakes here on the subject that sometimes I just have to confirm to myself to stay on the track that is comfortable for me :)

Intuition to me is a real certainty and not imaginative, because if I listen to myself things manifest in the way I intend :)

Love to you,

Mieke

Hey guys turn into dogs all the time!

Interesting #26 "Betsy"

Dear Mieke:

Intuition is reality, imagination is thought.
Intuition is awareness, imagination is dreaming.
E=mC2 is intuition and reality described in a mathematical equation.
All natural physical laws are intuitive realities expressed in mathematical equations.

Pai is an intuitive mathematical concept.
Holistic Relativity is an intuitive mathematical concept that predicts the observed universal reality.
Intuition, even if subjective, can be objective if verifiable as reality.

Genuine science is all intuitive and mathematical representing reality.

Love
Avtar

Thanks Avtar for this enlightened reply :)

You gave me a wonderful Aha moment just know.

All the time I knew this intuitively and now I know it for real.

Thanks so much.

I myself awoke this morning with this thought:

"feeling like a woman, thinking like a man"

Love,

Mieke

Intuition is a mouthful of sea-water ;)

[Intuition is reality, imagination is thought.]

Intuition is not reality but one of the ways of knowing reality, the others being senses, feelings and intellect/reason.

Again, Imagination is not only thought but can be any of the above ways of knowing reality because imagination represents our efforts at creating artificial reality we desire and it can be created by any of the above means and so, it will take the form of any of the above means. I can imagine smelling a rose with the help of the sense (of smell); I can imagine loving the girl I desire with the help of feelings; I can imagine explaining the place of the quantum theory in the universal scheme of things to Avtar Singh with the help of thoughts.

[Intuition is awareness, imagination is dreaming.]

Intuition is not awareness but a means - albeit highest - of being aware of something.

Imagination is not dreaming but a waking effort at creating a surrogate wished-for reality.

[E=mC2 is intuition and reality described in a mathematical equation.]

E=MC2 is an intuition through which Einstein became aware of an aspect of reality described in a mathematical form

[All natural physical laws are intuitive realities expressed in mathematical equations.]

All natural physical laws depict aspects of reality expressed in mathematical form and are discovered through senses (observation), feelings (I felt there must be more to it than the obvious which I observe and I began to further explore it), reason/thought/intellect and finally intuition (when reason brings you on the cross roads and you suddenly become aware of an other/higher way of seeing the same problem).

[Pai is an intuitive mathematical concept.]

Same as E=MC2

[Holistic Relativity is an intuitive mathematical concept that predicts the observed universal reality.]

Going beyond or finer than reason the intuition in fact makes use of the unobserved reality to make sense of the observed reality and help us act accordingly. And that domain of unobserved reality belongs to the Quantum Theory, so that without it Holistic Relativity will always remain incomplete as an explanation of the Total Dynamic Reality of the universe. (We make use of the unobserved quantum domain reality to know how to cross the coming vehicle safely and not by actually measuring the distance/speed etc etc of vehicles and then making calculations for the same.)

[Intuition, even if subjective, can be objective if verifiable as reality.]

Intuition is at par with all the others means of knowing things as above.

[Genuine science is all intuitive and mathematical representing reality.]

Only of that part of reality which is dual. No science can remain science and yet enter into the domain of non-dual reality. There/then knowing gives place to being so what use any science??

Nice to have a balancing view, Harb.
You didn't mention sea-water ;)

I've always thought of intuition as the still evolving and underutilized sixth sense. It complements and enhances rational thinking, rather than being the opposite.

It's Mieke's "feeling like a woman, thinking like a man." :)

Bonnie

Hi Bonnie,

Thanks :)

It is the intuition of being God/Goddess at the same time :)

Harb, for your information, through your book you have become the God inside to me :)

Much love,

Mieke

Hi Bonnie,

Thanks :)

It is the intuition of being God/Goddess at the same time :)

Harb, for your information, through your book you have become the God inside to me :)

Much love,

Mieke

Hi Bonnie,

Thanks :)

It is the intuition of being God/Goddess at the same time :)

Harb, for your information, through your book you have become the God inside to me :)

Much love,

Mieke

Lol Harb,

The Universe has let me confirm this to you three times lol

All good things in three :)

Sorry Admin for the triple post, it took ages to get the message through, so I though to refresh the page a couple of times :)

Mieke

Lol Harb,

The Universe has let me confirm this message three times!

All good things in three :)

Lol Mieke, the whole of the rest of the universe you interact with is the god inside or outside of you. Not to deny that I too may be a small part of that.

On a slight variation on the theme, just as I may a god inside of you you may be goddess outside of me because your picture - taken at painting workshop - adorns my laptop screen. The first thing I see on opening my Laptop is you.

:)))))))

:)))))))

Just did a quick scan, so could have missed a lot.

Anyway, I don't think anyone knows the difference between intuition and imagination, including reality. I still think we make it all up and give it our own labels that suit us best. That's fine, I believe, except when there are wars and fighting. I am one to feel that all should be allowed to co-create, as long as it hurts no one or no thing. Each of us has a different reality and can probably prove it, as the mass realities are the concepts that we agree most on, but nonetheless, even this mass reality is not a reality for the few.

.... just some current thought now, which could change tomorrow.

Love, Char

Dear Heath,

I disagree you said in #20 "the outcomes have been powerfully influenced by human choice, which compresses the natural selection cycle immensely."

I would rewrite that to be "the outcomes have been powerfully influenced by human *consciousness* and not physical selection"

There is this research where they domesticated the fox in Russia. The Natural Selection was based on temperament not physical attributes, but what happened was changes in physical attributes not selected for.

The Tame Silver Fox is the result of nearly 50 years of experiments in the Soviet Union and Russia to domesticate the silver morph of the Red Fox. Notably, the foxes not only become more tame, but more dog-like as well: the new foxes lost their distinctive musky "fox smell", became more friendly with humans, put their ears down (like dogs), wagged their tails when happy and began to vocalize and bark like domesticated dogs. The breeding project was set up by the Soviet scientist Dmitri Belyaev.

You see the dogs are products of our consciousness and the genetic changes initiated by the higher consciousness affiliation and intent, the affiliation with humans,

It’s a little bit hard to grasp, what is going on here….. a major revelation.

Dear Richard,

In reference to your comments on DNA in your Posting No. 19, I would like to tell you about a most thought provoking commentary about DNA by Michael Tsarion in his video on YouTube.com -"Michael Tsarion on Consciousness and Future of the Human Race" (running time 4:21).

He also has a very fine series of videos containing additional relative material entitled, "Michael Tsarion: 2012 - The Future of Mankind" (It is a series of 19 videos).

I hope you find the material worthwhile.

Best Wishes,

"Betsy" S.

A comment that the universe is expanding but into what made me wonder whether the Universe is truly expanding but rather that man's awareness of all that is in the universe is expanding. Man is learning more all the time, but does that mean that the universe is truly expanding? It occurs to me that man's discoveries and knowledge is what is really expanding here.

Waiting for part 2.

sorry, but I have to add to this thought because it reminds me of an infant who after it discovers it has two hands, it suddenly finds its belly button and says Oh my body is expanding, I have a belly button too, and all the while the body is a whole anyway, but by the time the baby reaches its toes, it realizes that its body has expanded again. What is more, sooner or later, the infant will begin to wonder, am I here by accident, or do I have a purpose?