Congratulations Avtar. Great post!

Love, Char

Yes Dr. Singh congratulations!

Your philosophy is right on target!

peace

The big bang as the balloon went pop and, lo, the big shrivel. Love your baby, Avtar!

Thanks.

"The Holistic Relativity theory has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Physics Essays. "

Nice to see you getting your work out for peer review.

I recently watched the cable TV special called The Atom and it has kind of a nice summary of the history of particle physics for us non-scientists types. The show makes it clear that the answers are not in, and investigations of reality at both micro- and macro-levels usually force the scientific community to totally rethink their theories.

It's on the discovery Science channel, and I believe they will be replaying it throughout the month.

Dear Avtar

Very nice. Congratulations!

Best regards,

Bonnie

Do the scientists of today (not including Avtar) understand what Absolute Space is? Do they really know what pure space means? What it is made of? Where it is? They may consider pure Awareness without forms and energy as nothingness, and say all of manifestation is something that came out of nothing. Since they have spiritual and scientific road blocks when it comes to consciousness how can they formulate something like this, when one huge piece or stumbling block remains unexplored. It is hard for me to except any of their theories about this until they work with the realm of Eternity and proceed from there, besides they may change their mind tomorrow.

Dear Avtar,

This is wonderful news...congrats!!

ruth

So Avtar attended a fringe cosmology group conference,

http://www.cosmology.info/

that cries about a lack of funding to their baby alternative theories that can't (as yet) explain a fraction of observations explained by the big bang/inflation model--not that this is a perfect model, but is the best model you have, by far, and is still being developed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_inflation

...you got to see the look on their faces when the Large Hadron Collider went online last week, where some real scientists do some real experimental work.

This fringe group also questions the Dark Energy and Dark Matter that Avtar so loves to quote, and he is publishing a cosmology hypothesis (sans all crap talk about Consciousness in his HR "theory", obviously) in a peer reviewed Journal, which is good, but lets first read what he 'actually' published, and not confuse that 'hypothesis' with his interpretations and spiritual commentary which he peddles a "Holistic Relativity theory" to us dummies here at intentblog.

oh, and he writes this gem "Non-locality implied by quantum mechanics can be explained by HR without exceeding the speed of light limit." As if there are some interpretations of quantum mechanics(not that I know of) in science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretation_of_quantum_mechanics

that explain 'non-locality'(as in quantum entanglement) by a violation of speed-limit of the special theory of relativity.

What needs to be apparent here is the understanding that everything is Nothing.

Something cannot be created from Nothing seems resonable to your mind only.

In fact there is No Thing to be created or was created.

Things appear and then disappear, if you could capture the molecules that make up my body for instance and hold on to them after I have died.... Who do you have captured?

Not me you don't.

There for there is an energy that is beyod the senses that operates outside of materilism where things do not exist. This Energy/Intelligence is closer to our true identity than any partical or atom that one may identify with.

So everything is nothing and was created from nothing and it won't ever become something because it is already that what you fear to lose.

Love

Nothing xx

Here's a physicists argument for the question "why is there something?"

'because, "something" is more 'stable' than "nothing." '

Of course the total energy of the universe is always constant (=ZERO.) "Something" (matter et al) we see is balanced out by the negative energy of gravitation... So whether the universe expands or collapses, whatever the energy, it is always zero. This law of conservation of energy exists in all cosmological models including the big bang standard model.

Victor Stenger, a professor of physics and astronomy and professor of philosophy, on the question "Why is there something rather than nothing?"

'...Clearly, many conceptual problems are associated with this question. How do we define nothing? What are its properties? If it has properties, doesn't that make it something?

... Assuming we can define nothing, why should nothing be a more natural state of affairs than something?

In fact, we can give a plausible scientific reason based on our best current knowledge of physics that something is more natural than nothing! Of course, that requires providing a physical definition of nothing. Can I imagine a physical system that has no properties?

...While we can never produce this physical nothing in practice, we have the theoretical tools to describe a system with no particles.

...Nothing is a state that is the simplest of all conceivable states. It has no mass, no energy, no space, no time, no spin, no bosons, no fermions-nothing.

Then why is there something rather than nothing? Because something is the more natural state of affairs and is thus more likely than nothing-more than twice as likely according to one calculation. We can infer this from the processes of nature where simple systems tend to be unstable and often spontaneously transform into more complex ones. Theoretical models such as the inflationary model of the early universe bear this out.

Consider the example of the snowflake. Our experience tells us that a snowflake is very ephemeral, melting quickly to drops of liquid water that exhibit far less structure. But that is only because we live in a relatively high temperature environment, where collisions with molecules in thermal motion reduce the fragile arrangement of crystals to a simpler liquid. Energy is required to destroy the structure of a snowflake.

But consider an environment where the ambient temperature is well below the melting point of ice, as it is in most of the universe far from the highly localized effects of stellar heating. In such an environment, any water vapor would readily crystallize into complex structures. Snowflakes would be eternal, or at least will remain intact until cosmic rays tear them apart.

What this example illustrates is that many simple systems are unstable, that is, have limited lifetimes as they undergo spontaneous phase transitions to more complex structures of lower energy. Since "nothing" is as simple as it gets, we would not expect it to be completely stable. In some models of the origin of the universe, the vacuum undergoes a spontaneous phase transition to something more complicated, like a universe containing matter. The transition nothing-to-something is a natural one, not requiring any external agent.

As Nobel Laureate physicist Frank Wilczek has put it, "The answer to the ancient question 'Why is there something rather than nothing?' would then be that 'nothing' is unstable."'

Dear Avtar,
What you want to publish all appears pretty scientific, but is it? A scientific essay is different from an essay in the humanities. Do you know what the “Scientific Method” is?

A science project is an investigation using the scientific method to discover the answer to a scientific problem. Before starting your project, you need to understand the scientific method.

Remember what Richard Feynman said:
“In general we look for a new law by the following process. First we guess it. Then we compute the consequences of the guess to see what would be implied if this law that we guessed is right. Then we compare the result of the computation to nature, with experiment or experience, compare it directly with observation, to see if it works. If it disagrees with experiment it is wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science. It does not make any difference how beautiful your guess is. It does not make any difference how smart you are, who made the guess, or what his name is - if it disagrees with experiment it is wrong”.

Do you think acceptance for publication in the Journal of Physics Essays, or any journal for that matter, is the same as a review of your work in a reputable independent scientific journal? What do you mean by peer reviewed? People who think like you or people who actually did some experiment?

Has Holistic Relativity theory been validated by experiment? If it disagrees with experiment it is wrong.

If it can’t be experimented with it not a scientific theory but speculation and should be presented as such.

Please investigate the real world through CERN before coming up with phantasy solutions. CERN hopes to recreate conditions in the laboratory a split-second after the big bang, teaching them more about "dark matter," antimatter and possibly hidden dimensions of space and time.

Re. CS+DDHPZ

Even if some form of an alternative hypothesis is published in a peer reviewed journal, it doesn't suddenly invalidate the numerous other papers that contradict a better developed theory that has been validated to a greater extent. Although a lot of questions still remain. And the search is still on. It reminds me of Intelligent Design proponents who point out the "missing links" in Evolution theory to totally invalidate it.

Evolution theory can't explain 'so and so'(right now) so your theory is wrong, out alternative theory is right.

Actually there are many similarities between ID and these alternative cosmologists. It is good analogy. Evolution and Big Bang related theories are not perfect but they are scientific theories and they have their fringe opponents.

Using a title "Big Bang Never Happened" is utter arrogance in the righteousness of one's own opinions and not worthy of a serious scientist, imho. It's like saying "Evolution never happened, God created all life forms at the same time."

"Big Bang May Not Have Happened" (is a better title, imho)

One should know better.

Re. CS+DDHPZ

Even if some form of an alternative hypothesis is published in a peer reviewed journal, it doesn't suddenly invalidate the numerous other papers that contradict it and support a better developed theory that has been validated to a greater extent. Although a lot of questions still remain. And the search is still on. It reminds me of Intelligent Design proponents who point out the "missing links" in Evolution theory to totally invalidate it.

Evolution theory can't explain 'so and so'(right now) so your theory is wrong, out alternative theory is right.

Actually there are many similarities between ID and these alternative cosmologists. It is good analogy. Evolution and Big Bang related theories are not perfect but they are scientific theories and they have their fringe opponents.

Using a title "Big Bang Never Happened" is utter arrogance in the righteousness of one's own opinions and not worthy of a serious scientist, imho. It's like saying "Evolution never happened, God created all life forms at the same time."

"Big Bang May Not Have Happened" (is a better title, imho)

One should know better.

A “real” scientist openly admits that what he hopes to find is the closes approximation to the truth. These guys here at IB seem to pretend to know things beyond any shadow of a doubt. Often things that are unknowable.

When we are unwilling to know and apply basic laws of physics before we have something dissolve into pure consciousness, then we will always chase rainbows fooling others and ourselves in the process.
Fooling others, knowing you are fooling yourself, is unethical. (imho):-)

“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool”.
Richard P. Feynman

Dear Avtar,

You are to be admired and congratulated on your work that challenges the popular theories of the mainstream scientific community. Because their reputations depend upon their published theories, they are not likely to be open to breakthrough knowledge that challenges their positions.

As has been mentioned, Intelligent Design proponents point out that the missing links in the Evolution Theory totally invalidate it.

As far as the mention of the "Scientific Theory" as being indisputable is concerned, a highly respected physics professor, Dr. William A. Tiller, has shown by his experiments that the currently accepted "Scientific Theory" of the mainstream scientific community is seriously flawed.

Also, the current concept held regarding the age of civilization upon our planet has been shown to be incorrect. In the book, "Forbidden Archeology" by Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson, it is shown how evidence has been found that indicates a much older time for civilization.

We are now being awakened to much higher knowledge than we have been able to identify with for a very long time. We must be open to listening to the voices of pathfinders who are able to enlighten us. We must not have closed minds and continue clinging to the security of old concepts. We must not refuse to raise our consciousness.

Thank you for attempting to teach us, Avtar.

Best Wishes,

"Betsy" S.

Dear Avtar,

You are to be admired and congratulated on your work that challenges the popular theories of the mainstream scientific community. Because their reputations depend upon their published theories, they are not likely to be open to breakthrough knowledge that challenges their positions.

As has been mentioned, Intelligent Design proponents point out that the missing links in the Evolution Theory totally invalidate it.

As far as the mention of the "Scientific Theory" as being indisputable is concerned, a highly respected physics professor, Dr. William A. Tiller, has shown by his experiments that the currently accepted "Scientific Theory" of the mainstream scientific community is seriously flawed.

Also, the current concept held regarding the age of civilization upon our planet has been shown to be incorrect. In the book, "Forbidden Archeology" by Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson, it is shown how evidence has been found that indicates a much older time for civilization.

We are now being awakened to much higher knowledge than we have been able to identify with for a very long time. We must be open to listening to the voices of pathfinders who are able to enlighten us. We must not have closed minds and continue clinging to the security of old concepts. We must not refuse to raise our consciousness.

Thank you for attempting to teach us, Avtar.

Best Wishes,

"Betsy" S.

“…missing links in the Evolution Theory totally invalidate it.”
BS

“You cannot be both sane and well educated and disbelieve in evolution. The evidence is so strong that any sane, educated person has got to believe in evolution”.
Richard Dawkins

Saying that Big Bang never happened is like saying that Avtar Singh never took birth because all the matter/energy comprising him was already there in the universe before he was born and will be there after he dies.

Saying that Big Bang never happened can be true in the sense that all the matter/energy comprising the universe was already there before its birth in the indescribable though knowable- through-direct-experience 'ground' of Everything (also known as the Universe with capital U in some philosophical dictionaries)and will be there after the Big Crunch.

It seems to me that the road leads to the scientists ability to believe in spirituality, that being Absolute Aware space which is energyless and formless. Because it, being energyless, makes it unperceivable by energy. You can’t experience it through the senses, however Self-realization is to go beyond that, and see for yourself what awaits you in Absolute space. But they would consider that a subjective experience, when it is the most objective experience you could have, and they would toss it out. It’s like you need some renowned physicist or scientist to think outside the box, which the great ones, the pioneers usually do.

I actually wrote that here on intent blog at least as far back as December 20, 2006 [Click my name for the thread] as it relates to a stateful universe. Also made the points about time.

another point I made

Nothing does create something. It's reading these words.

I actually wrote that here on intent blog at least as far back as December 20, 2006 [Click my name for the thread] as it relates to a stateful universe. Also made the points about time.

another point I made

Nothing does create something. It's reading these words.

Yes I saw that

And I see that Deepak actually responded back then

What's all the fuss about something and nothing? With what eye do we see our dreams and with what light? I'm sorry if you can't put that in a test tube yet.

Master Chef created brouhaha, including Green Peas.....fresh as the moment when the pod went pop. He did it with no Thyme at all. The Peas needed Thyme for Brou. Brouhaha created Thyme. Peas come from Peas.

When there is just light there is no light just darkness because the light has nothing to reflect on so there is nothing. Pure positive energy is pure light or "nothing" add negative energy -a negative thought or emotion -and it creates a chain reaction of negative thoughts and emotion or energy and you get an explosion of positive and negative energy. A Big Bang and duality! (maybe) What does consciousness do then, give up and die or put itself back together? "Let there be light" and so it appeared sometime after the Big Bang (maybe) and this magnetic attraction is what eventually created our solar system through the brown star effect, but now through evolution consciousness has us, left brain-right brain consciousness, (choice) but we think too much! (and I've heard some people blame this all on Aristotle but I know nothing anout him) It's really just a matter of information, energy and transformation and that information comes to us through God Consciousness. I don't know what I'm doing! Anyway I'm going to start my new life tommorrow by first learning some social skills and then learning to play this humanimal game with some respect for myself and others (I'm Sorry everyone, I'm the devil) then who knows eventually consciousness may get back to being what it really is, it's all in your mind.

happy thanksgiving in canada!