Oh, Deepak, you are homing in on the real heart of the matter......truly heartfelt was you message.

Universe, itself takes lives and just as brutally.
Is it trying to 'tell' us something about matter? Are we to fulfil the archetype of a butterfly?Dare we expand that magic 'something' which holds our bodies in human shape to beyond its boundaries and thus beyond its frailty.

Oh to shimmer with my sister Kate :)))

Don’t worry dear Deepak, all over the world the shift is happening.

I have noticed with my own children, but also watching documentaries on television, how nowadays students from lots of countries meet each other, exchanging views, studying same study together, discussing together all kinds of subjects, not only on the Internet but also in real life. Everywhere universities are becoming or are already ‘multicultural’, one could better use the word: universal.

It IS in the Scheme Of Things.

Young people are flexible; let go and leave it to them. They will not disappoint you :)

They should be given the chance; Barack Obama will take care of that in America, whether he will be president or not. He has already taken care of it; it cannot be reversed any more :).

America is a universal country; Europe is becoming universal more and more. And Asia has become universal too because of all the exchange of students that has been going on now for already more than half a century.

It is time for our generation to take a few steps back and let our offspring take over. They can do it, just like we could. Evolution takes time. Perhaps it is a gradual process, two steps forward, one step back, sometimes a quickstep but most of the time one step at a time :). Sometimes far away from the goal, sometimes very close to it.

If we look at the Universe, everything happens in a certain order.

Am convinced there is a certain order in our evolution too and wisdom comes after experiences and ageing.

On the universal scale there is no decider,

God is prior to the manifestation of killing, the victor and the defeated..

on the biological evolutionary scale; right from the place where human kind sprang from: Bacteria... the conflict still rages.

As great as you are Deepak Chopra with your beautiful insight to the spiritual depths of bliss, you are still here on the uncleansed butchers slab with its microscopics scraps of festering meat - dreaming of something greater..

indeed we are greater than this slab... but in this lifetime we will prove ourselves worthy of transcending it...

SNAP

suddenly you began to know from bacteria to human kind where wars are always present.... What will it be next..

All victory is Piric as it has to be at too great a cost... or is it at too great a loss?

If I am a winner (War Hero)... then it is only through the eyes of Narcissus that I am seen as one..

If I am neither the winner nor the defeated but outside of such egoity then I AM.

Can I teach the world to be I AM?

Hmmmm

Fly me to Andromeda for the weekend my friend and we shall discuss it there over a green tea with mint..

Love you loads xx

Simon

We are all war heros when we connect to the Self. We have then won the biggest battle of all. The battle for the stillness of our prakti. The one that makes Purusha clear. The battle of the within is not for the timid and coward. So it´s natural that only a handful will undertake it.

Rafael

Good question.... I have more... questions that is...?

Okay we may be geentically programmed for war... cos don't we have natural-killer cells and isn't there a phenomenon called fright, flight or fight...?

But then how is these genetic programmes linked to the war hero archetypes or any other archetype for that matter?

Is the genetic programming absolute..? Is the arechetypes absoute...?

Well if it is a question of genetics can the genetic re-engineering fix these issues..? can we really engineer Eugenes..?

But of little knowledge I have, with the success of HGP - Human Genome Project the notion of genetic determinism went for a six and it was speculated that the environment plays a crucial role too, thus the rise of subjects like Proteomics..... to understand this interaction between the environment and genetics at a very micro level...

So then if it's the environement we swing back to nurturing non violent archetypes like Dr. Chopra has suggested..... which I suppose is a psychological task of a very high magnitude....

well... I could go on....... perhaps I could utter them out on the way to Andromeda.. eh..? ;)

McCain was a navy pilot dropping bombs on whomever; that is a war criminal.

All I have read about American history indicates this federal government, and the people who have killed “the evil other” for them, starting from the Native Americans until today murdering Iraqis, Afghanis, Colombians, Pakistanis, Syrians, and whoever else us civilians do not know about, this not only indicates, but renders my final judgment thusly: THIS NATION IS A CENTURIES EXTENDED WAR CRIME! All of our vaunted progress has been propelled by others losing their lives, lands, and natural resources: from thirteen original colonies to protectorates on China’s very coast, all through Asia, Africa, Central and South America, one centuries long war crime, all in the name of protecting American economic interests and of course our “homeland”.

Pearl Harbor got bombed! Where is that? Some marines in Beirut got bombed? Where is that? The USS Maine was “bombed”? Where is Cuba? Ooooo, the Monroe Doctrine that is right . . .

Kuwait. Where is that? Bahrain. Where is that? Saudi Arabia. Where is that?

Eagleburger, like McCain another lifelong welfare recipient, stated on Huckabee earlier today we must have unconditional support for Israel!

Unconditional! Talk about entangling alliances . . .

So us American civilians are what, about fourth on the list of “our” politicians priorities; 1) “free”-trade, 2) The Complex (military-industrial/corporate-governmental-entertainment complex), 3) Israel, and then 4) us (maybe).

The shadow knows that which we willingly, or unknowingly, repress. That is why we can watch dancing with the stars and worry about Britney Spears personal life as our neighbor loses their home, this is why the bureaucrat at the court house can say so pleasantly “pay up or get locked up” with such a stern malevolent smile, this is why the local bourgeoisie live behind security patrolled gated fences or out in the country where poor people are not allowed: because this is a dog-eat dog world and the people who are the closest we will ever get to Jesus are stumbling down the alleyway, lost in our shadow, drunk on mad dog.

And the blessed are the cursed, and the cursed are blessed; and the true measure of our humanity is how nobly we face adversity.

The war “hero” believes in something strongly enough to kill for that belief, thank God I too have a sacred belief system, a belief system that demands that not even in self-defense can I kill another human being, much like Jesus who would not kill to save himself or his apostles who he knew would be mortally persecuted . . .

And when those of us who would not kill our brother are gone God have mercy on those left behind.

pax vobiscum

"McCain was a navy pilot dropping bombs on whomever; that is a war criminal."

quotation...

John McCain was captured after a missile hit his plane and was a POW for 5 years. Within this specific context, he certainly is a war hero (warrior archetype). He survivied years of torture and imprisonment. I am not in any way commenting on the nature of U.S. involvement in Vietnam, but if you want to ask about archetypes, certainly then yes McCain is a war hero (warrior) not a war criminal. To say the reverse in his specific situation does not make sense.
To answer the question will we ever get rid of the warrior archetype, I highly doubt that. I think that that is a very primal archetype. Getting rid of the archetype would mean getting rid of adversity, any harsh or unjust circumstances requiring stamina or bravery or perserverance. I don't think the warrior archetype even necessarily implies "war-loving" or "warlike". Again, this is a very primal archetype and will exist as long as there is adversity or strife or injustice. Sometimes I feel that the warrior archetype can be applied to peaceful warriors also. So, no I definitely don't think we will ever get rid of it.

but how much of a hero was he when his bombs blasted babies, moms and children from the face of the earth? and how does gettin' captured make u a hero? amiga?

Some murderers go to prison, some get medals, and in this wonderful life some even get both; what a deal!

Peace

emperor! damn!

Wha? What? Whad I do . . .

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

yo flabs u blabbed the other day that if given the chanc u'd vote for bushnut again...

dude...how come they are hiding ur *&^% &% hero like he's got the plague? dude u can't be serious...u are just happy u can blog here as sh.. disturba....got to be....eeeuuuuhhhhhh......

#5 'Biology of Belief' Ruch? (Hi)

Just what are we programmed for/by? Have we to fight 'about' IT in order to sub-consciously, yet literally, remove our material bias? Can one then become what one is fighting 'about' when one sees one's self-perpetuating projections on another and vanishes them? See-saw requires a very real fulcrum! Tis a realisation in all senses of the word but never a reasoning.

To be in the world but not of it? (Deepak Unity interviews)

Deepak, you mention religion's mandate for war.

I suspect that it's just the opposite. Religion may be the only reason why people stopped eating each other. That was a very big step for humankind, and something of which we should be very proud of.

(Some have theorized that the story of Abraham and his young son at the alter is actually a tale describing the end of human sacrifice.)

It's possible that the novel, Life of Pi, began to touch the very edges of what may be the true: maybe there are cannibals amongst us, that religion was cleverly designed to allow them to symbolically practice what they are otherwise genetically predisposed to do. I also wonder if this cannibalism and pedophelia are closely linked together in their psyche because both seem to be practiced around the proximity of the alter.

I say that if you get rid of the world's religions, you're apt to see a very dark aspect of humans arise in total.

At least they're off the roads for a couple hours Sunday mornings.

#15 Animals have rituals, too, danashields, to decide who is going to do the mating without total war and bloodshed. Just what is the 'altar' a symbol of? Beyond the symbol, just what does it mean to you and I? I think IT could be the pure potential playing field between us.

I don't believe genes are the final arbiters. I think it is an interrelationship between consciousness/awareness and whatever the notion of 'quantum soup' represents.....you know, all potential possibility. I think genes are more like switches that oblige the status quo.

With consensus, we are the arbiters and status quo gets 'shifted'.

Wanna play?

Diablo,

Just for the sake of clarity, I don't think (and please anyone welcome to correct me if I'm wrong) that John McCain did any of the things you mentioned. His plane did not get a chance to reach it's target (which I believe was a water or electric plant--not sure have to check --but anyway, not women and children as you had said).
To answer your question, getting captured does not make a person a hero. But surviving serious injury, brutal conditions, torture, and imprisonment, and, from what is said about McCain,
sometimes trying to keep up the spirits of some of his fellow POWs, refusing his opportunity to leave the prison to stick by the POW code, etc, and no less, coming out of the whole experience sane. These are all things that, in my opinion and many others, are heroic. Whether you or anyone else likes McCain or not, I think that most people agree that he is a war hero b/c of his bravery and stamina in surviving being a POW in Vietnam for 5 years. It seems to me a little bit ludicrous to deny him credit for his bravery. Regardless of how peaceloving a person is, still, bravery is bravery. That's not going to change.

With each new generation, Deepak, you have to keep saying it. The past is forgotten, the future not yet arrived.

Who reads The Brothers Grimm when Maurice Sendack is available? Words, they are magic; ideas put into words have changed the course of history.

yo amiga...

u are so wrong! so lost! booooooooooooooooooooooooo...................................................

17. Hi, Ed. I was speaking of "the alter" symbolically not literally. Obviously the practice isn't done in full view of the congregation.

Religion, esoterically, shows the way to get rid of the 8 meannesses of the heart and as a by product overcomes a material consciousness, replacing it with a spiritual one.

Christ's Sacred heart, the Hridaya, symbolizes His overcoming.

I think sometimes of Creation as one rose. Little lady bugs of our consciousness crawl up the stem, get torn on thorns, some survive to the top, just for the Love of the Fragrance.

Creation IS the Path of the Heart and consciousness is Its fragrance.

It's the way it is. And it won't change. And the thorns of war won't decay any time soon.

I know of a few thornless roses, Sherry. I suppose Lady bug might slip and break a leg without cling-points ;)

Okay, I'll go chew bubble-gum!

Thank you, Deepak for pointing out the insane & horrendous mechanisms we, as human-'doings' use to make others demonic in order to justify holding on to our own demons.

The war hero archetype may be imbedded into our genetic memory but so is our absolute divinity. One is the genetics of our small 'minded' 'fathers' (traditions of thinking passed on = genetics) and the other, as you teach so beautifully.... a purely blissful 'mind' of a much grander Source/'Father.'

It seems that humanity has painted themselves into a corner and all will choose, (as we already do each day) between the small or the large mind inside us....becoming more and more like our higher genetic, blissful Source or more and more stuck in, steeped in, stirred in, and embroiled in the small genetic mind which is founded & perpetuated entirely upon the foundation of illusionary FEARS! Amazing the power of the energy of FEAR! While the beliefs and thoughts which generate the fear are illusions, the power of the energy vibration these illusions generate are very real!

It's amazing to me that the answers are so much simpler than our 'small' genetic 'minds' can conceive of. That to simply choose between FEAR or LOVE at each moment can literally change our genetic make up. Most on the planet can not even discern between the two!

I have witnessed the results of those 'chosen few;' (Few, because very few are 'willing.' Chosen; I is US- who does the choosing../) who are
(1) willing to be wrong about whatever it is that is our current stronghold (and later...we see being 'willing' to be wrong about anything and everything is the way to receive more because we see clearly that we have nothing to lose and everything to gain...as truth needs no defense and is everlasting. And in this energy of 'humility' or teachableness we
(2) Go through the narrow neck to see that ALL of our fears were complete illusions only too immediately
(3) Tap into higher mind to see, feel, experience and bask in the light, truth & love which always sets us free... and fills us to overflowing, casting out all fear! What an amazing, incredible reality/knowing.

Is there anything else to 'do?' So simple, yet not so easy way (for the egoic mind.)Is there any other way? Does deciding between two polar extremes of leadership do it? (Not that we don't take care of that anyway....on this level.) Does passing a new bill or law, starting another war...another church or religion which typically divides us? A new job, spouse or maybe a different behavior modification technique? no. None of it can or will ever work. To change the inward person such that the 'war hero' model is integrated through the process of transforming the MOTIVE so that the 'war hero' can stand in the 'center' (on 'Holy Ground') of the two extremes which are both wrought in fear, is to KNOW LOVE and in knowing love, one can now feel NOTHING but love toward Source and their brother and sister 'as themselves.'

Thank you Deepak for your gentle, love based energy.

Lily Finch

(Hi) Ed,

#14

Apologies for my underdeveloped cognitive capabilities. I am not sure I follow ya fully?

Yeah a sea-saw does need a real fulcrum... nice analogy.. but what's the fulcrum if it's neither the genes nor the archetype (Or are they?) is it the individual or is it something beyond the individual, if the latter is the case, where does the individual fit in, in the scheme of things and what the heck is his role?

Plus, sea-saws don't evolve they just decay...

:)

~ R ~

We must be leaning toward change :-) with the election of our new Mr. President Barack Obama of the UNITED States of America!

Cheers,
Char

A hunter tells me that a raccoon is mean and not like what we see on TV, but the raccoon that I met, which is as big as German Shepherd and twice as fat, coos like a baby by my bed at night while I am camping - even tho it did try to steal my fresh bread and another food, while I was eating outside at night. So I guess it's all about perception.

Also, I was thinking that this is Natures way, as people should eat before dark, since the raccoon's job in nature is to clean up after us, i.e., like a living garbage can. So if I must eat after dark, it's in my car! But it would be wise to eat early, as it is natural.

Cheers!
Char

The Spirit that is in us is also in the animals, as there is only ONE. That's what I am seeing. But I still sprayed bug spray on the granddaddy long=leg spiders and I think I read that they are the ones that keep the other bad spiders and bugs away. That's fear on my part .... fear of spiders.... just seeing them above me in my tent frightens me. I gave in to fear and figured that I prefer to keep all the spiders away with the bug spray, but I had to kill a bunch of those long-legged spiders. Oh well.